[01:25] <_paultag> kiko: ping, if you have a second. Nothing to do with launchpad, this was just the only channel I could find you in -- if you have a sec for a PM, that would rock
[03:13] <ojwb> hi, how long should the initial import of translations take?  the message when I uploaded suggested it would be a matter of hours, but it's approaching 3 days now
[03:13]  * ojwb is wondering if the files were duff somehow, or if there's a problem with that part of launchpad
[03:14] <mwhudson> ojwb: the rosetta guys are mostly in europe so leaving a question at answers.launchapd.net/rosetta might be the best thing to do
[03:14] <ojwb> how dare they sleep!
[03:20]  * ojwb finds an answer to a similar question: "They shouldn't have been stuck like this. I've approved the template now (and the rest should be automatically approved soon after), but please do let us know when something like this happens in the future. Feel free to ping us when it takes longer than a day or two (it's an automatic process that should usually happen in a few hours, but sometimes due to bigger load it gets done in a day)."
[03:30]  * ojwb has pinged them in a question (thanks mwhudson)
[03:47] <michaelh1> Hi there.  How can I view all current blueprints at once instead of a page of 75?
[03:49] <michaelh1> Ah, there we go - ?batch=foo
[03:51] <lifeless> michaelh1: within some limits, yes.
[03:51] <michaelh1> 300 being one
[03:51] <lifeless> application performance being the other
[03:52] <lifeless> there's a real chance of hitting the system timeout :)
[04:00] <michaelh1> Hmm.  A couple of uds-n blueprints have 'Not' (and nothing else) as the priority...  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/devprocess-foundations-n-udd-feedback
[04:01] <wgrant> michaelh1: "Not" is a priority.
[04:01] <wgrant> As in "this isn't a priority"
[04:01] <michaelh1> wgrant: I see
[04:05] <lifeless> its more than that
[04:05] <lifeless> its 'not going to happen', isn't it ?
[07:31] <alkisg_web> Hi, my team created a mailing list and then a member sent a mail, but it needed approval and even when it was approved nothing shows up in the lists archives: https://lists.launchpad.net/sch-devs/
[07:31] <alkisg_web> Is it possible that it was not created correctly?
[07:37] <spm> alkisg_web: hrm. it all looks setup correctly. checking logs...
[07:43] <alkisg_web> Thank you spm
[07:52] <spm> alkisg_web: the email in question was from Fotis T ?
[07:53] <sobczyk> hi,how long do I need to wait for packages to appear in my ppa after uploading to ftp?
[07:57] <spm> alkisg_web: in any event; I can see the email in a variant of aheld queue. but it's not being moved on, despite clearly not showing up in the queue of messages awaiting approval. I shall file a bug - this looks a tad more serious than a mere "oddity" as it were. :-(
[08:02] <alkisg_web> Sorry dns problems - if spm reads the backlog, yes, the mail in question is from Fotis T
[08:02] <spm> heh, np. ta
[08:02] <alkisg_web> Uh autocomplete failed :D
[08:03] <spm> :-)
[08:04] <wgrant> sobczyk: You should receive an email within five minutes, unless you didn't sign the package properly.
[08:05] <spm> alkisg_web: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/663702 you may wish to subscribe yourself to that, or not. :-)
[08:06] <alkisg_web> spm - thank you, but why did it need approval in the first place? Maybe the subscribed member posted too soon, before his subscription was processed?
[08:06] <spm> possibly
[08:07] <alkisg_web> spm: thanks a lot, and also for the bug report :)
[08:08] <spm> yeah. they beat approval by ~ 4 minutes. :-/
[08:08] <spm> actually... that's possibly why the message is apparently "lost". it had no one to be sent to?
[08:09] <alkisg_web> Maybe - the list had just been created when he sent the mail, I didn't even have the chance to subscribe myself
[08:09] <alkisg_web> (but I think it should still show up in the archive...)
[08:10] <sobczyk> wgrant: does the signing key must match the one I have in launchpad?
[08:11] <spm> alkisg_web: I agree. have so updated the report
[08:11] <wgrant> sobczyk: Yes.
[08:11] <sobczyk> wgrant: I try to add new fingerprint and it fails...
[08:12] <wgrant> sobczyk: How does it fail?
[08:12] <sobczyk> oh, I didn't read the last sentence... (about it being on the server)
[10:57] <PotcFdk> Hey. I just used dput to upload my package to my ppa. But I've choosed the wrong ppa name (missing character).... So I made a small change, rebuild the package, and reuploaded it to the right ppa....
[10:57] <PotcFdk> Now, does it take some time to appear on the website?
[10:58] <bigjools> PotcFdk: it can take up to 10 minutes to appear
[10:58] <PotcFdk> bigjools: ah, okay, thanks.
[10:58] <bigjools> if you don't get any email then there's another problem
[10:58] <PotcFdk> bigjools: I'll check this now...
[10:59] <PotcFdk> whoopsie, nothing there
[11:00] <PotcFdk> "[...] then there's another problem" --> what problem?
[11:04] <PotcFdk> bigjools ?
[11:05] <bigjools> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+faq/227
[11:08] <PotcFdk> thank you, I will wait some time. If it won't show up and there won't be an email, I will contact Launchpad.
[11:08] <bigjools> PotcFdk: thanks
[11:14] <Tak> is there a list of high-profile organizations/projects using launchpad?
[11:25] <henninge> Tak: I think the "Featured projects" list on the homepage is a good start.
[11:28] <Tak> :-/
[11:28] <Tak> I'm trying to "sell" launchpad to my organization
[11:28] <Tak> and there's a fair amount of momentum for github
[11:30] <Tak> and there's a lot of fear that launchpad(/bzr) isn't ... popular enough that it can be relied on to still be around in a few years
[11:30] <Tak> so I'm having to respond to a lot of stuff like, "nvidia is using git", "mono is using git", ...
[11:32] <Tak> so, while canonical, ubuntu, mysql are good examples, things like gdesklets and musicbrainz picard don't carry the same weight in this case
[11:33] <henninge> Tak: I think it is quite obvious that you cannot sell Launchpad/bzr by pointing out it's popularity. You will have to point out it's benefits of integrating the whole development process.
[11:34] <henninge> As for availability over the next few years, I think Ubuntu is the biggest assurrance for this because it uses bzr and will not go away soon.
[11:34] <henninge> uses bzr andn Launchpad even.
[12:05] <Tak> yes, the technical merits of bzr and launchpad's support of the full development process are the reasons I'm pushing for it
[12:07] <tumbleweed> I'd say integration is one of the strongest arguments for launchpad
[12:41] <geser> lamont: Hi, can you please review the patch in bug 615286? It would be really nice to have that bug fixed soon with natty now opened for development and all the auto-syncs and uploads. Thanks.
[12:43] <lamont> geser: in the middle of filing another bug that prevents lp-buildd from deploying until it's fixed
[12:43] <Tak> tumbleweed: integration?
[12:44] <wgrant> lamont: What's broken? The Xen detection?
[12:44] <lamont> wgrant: lifeless
[12:44] <lamont> wgrant: bug 663828
[12:44] <wgrant> Oh, not damn tachandler again.
[12:45] <wgrant> I thought I added a comment to that file when I reverted it last time :/
[12:45] <wgrant> Indeed I did.
[12:45] <wgrant> Apparently not big enough.
[12:46] <lamont> we really need to just fork the damn package off
[12:47] <geser> wgrant: use "banner" next time. That should be big enough :)
[12:48] <tumbleweed> Tak: bugs with code, code reviews with branches and bugs, PPAs with branches, etc.
[12:48] <lamont> geser: you're assuming that people actually read the code before inserting a line somewhere in it
[12:49] <PotcFdk> Hey. I tried to add my ppa to my sources-list, but add-apt-repository says "Error: can't find signing_key_fingerprint at https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~kevin-2/+archive/powdertoy"
[12:50] <Tak> tumbleweed: yeah, I agree
[12:50] <Tak> but other tools have those things as well
[12:50] <wgrant> PotcFdk: Is that PPA very new?
[12:51] <PotcFdk> Yep
[12:51] <lamont> wgrant: I'm inclined to make lifeless fix it
[12:51] <PotcFdk> Quite new...
[12:51] <Tak> actually, I /really/ like the way launchpad supports and encourages a formal code review process
[12:51] <wgrant> PotcFdk: I think your key should be generated within 10 or 20 minutes of creating your first PPA.
[12:51] <wgrant> PotcFdk: So give it a few more minutes.
[12:51] <bigjools> s/creating your first PPA/uploading first package/
[12:51] <wgrant> bigjools: Ah :(
[12:51] <PotcFdk> wgrant: Okay, thanks
[12:52] <Tak> much better than github's "send a pull request and then comment on some commits"
[12:52] <bigjools> for good reason
[12:52] <wgrant> yeah.
[12:53] <Tak> although github's "OMG COMMENT ON A SPECIFIC LINE OF A COMMIT!" feature really impresses people for some reason
[12:53] <tumbleweed> I was jut about to say that about rietveld :)
[13:50] <dothebart> hy everyone...
[13:51] <dothebart> i've uploaded the .po files of citadel.org into launchpad, but they remained in 'needs review' - state for over a month now.
[13:52] <dothebart> is there a huge chain of po's awaiting review, or is there anything else i should do?
[14:09] <allenap> henninge: Are you able to help dothebart?
[14:44] <henninge> dothebart: can you please tell me what the project is called, i.e. the link to the import queue?
[14:46] <dothebart> henninge: https://translations.launchpad.net/citadel/+imports
[14:54] <deryck> allenap, are you CHR today?
[14:54] <allenap> deryck: Yep./
[14:55] <allenap> deryck: What can I help you with? :)
[14:55] <deryck> allenap, no, no help needed. :-) was just about to re-target the malone bugs from launchpad, but saw the topic.  I'll let you do it ;)
[14:56] <allenap> deryck: Okay, thanks :)
[14:57] <allenap> danilos: Seems that henninge is not around right now. Can you help dothebart?
[14:58] <henninge> allenap: I am!
[14:58] <henninge> I am already looking at his queue but something else interrupted me.
[14:58] <allenap> henninge: Okay, sorry :)
[15:01] <dothebart> many thanks ;)
[15:09] <henninge> dothebart: sorry, too much stuff going on at the moment.
[15:09] <henninge> dothebart: I approved the template and the translations should be automatically approved soon.
[15:10] <dothebart> ok, tnx.
[15:10] <henninge> dothebart: I don't know about et_EE, though, since we don't have that language. Could that not simply be "et"?
[15:10] <henninge> I could rename it for you.
[15:15] <dothebart> hm, I think somebody from estonia told me it'd be named that way
[15:15] <dothebart> but he might be wrong
[15:30] <henninge> dothebart: we have this: https://translations.launchpad.net/+languages/et
[15:30] <henninge> dothebart: We only use country specific language naming if it really necressary.
[15:30] <henninge> but not for the default country.
[15:31] <henninge> So there is "pt_BR" for Brazillian Portugese but simpy "pt", not "pt_PT" for Portugese from Portugal.
[15:39] <napster> "bzr pull lp:backman" gets me error "bzr: ERROR: Connection error: while sending CONNECT xmlrpc.launchpad.net:443: [Errno 110] Connection timed out"
[15:42] <dothebart> henninge: ah, now I got you.
[15:45] <dothebart> henninge: so de_DE is incorrect also?
[15:45] <henninge> dothebart: yes
[15:46] <henninge> well, not "incorrect" but "we don't use it"
[15:47] <dothebart> but how 'bout en_US and en_GB?
[15:49] <henninge> dothebart: we have en_GB but en_US is simply en
[15:49] <henninge> but you cannot translate into "en" anyway since your original strings are supposed to be in English.
[15:50] <dothebart> well, yes they are ;-)
[15:50] <dothebart> but thats C in locale terms usually?
[17:28] <maxb> losa: I believe in your operational toolbox of scripts and processes you have one for fixing branches broken by incorrect stacking locations. Please could you execute it on lp:~grass/grass6/grass64_release_debian ? Thanks.
[17:30] <Chex> maxb: let me look into that for you
[17:54] <allenap> napster: That sounds like an HTTP proxy problem. Can you disable proxies and try again?
[17:55] <napster> allenap: ?
[17:56] <mtaylor> AAAGGGGHHHHHHH
[17:56] <allenap> napster: The "CONNECT xmlrpc..." bit is typically what is sent to an HTTP proxy when initiating an SSL/TLS connection.
[17:56] <napster> allenap: let me try
[17:56] <mtaylor> I seem to have made enough tarball releases on launchpad now that my debian/watch file no longer has an index page it can go to to look for the latest
[17:56] <mtaylor> because the all-downloads page is now paginated
[17:57] <allenap> jelmer: Can you help mtaylor?
[17:58] <mtaylor> jelmer: please. :)
[17:58] <jelmer> hi allenap, mtaylor
[17:59] <allenap> rockstar: I have to go now, so can you help napster with a bzr problem?
[17:59] <rockstar> napster, hi
[17:59] <napster> rockstar: hi
[17:59] <mtaylor> hey jelmer
[17:59] <napster> allenap: rockstar The problem persists
[18:00] <napster> allenap: rockstar I've removed the proxy served from the system proxy settings
[18:00] <rockstar> napster, give me a second to read the backchat and get caught up on the conversation.
[18:00] <mtaylor> jelmer: so ... all downloads seems to no longer be sorted (I don't know if it ever was) but now the most recent tarball does not show up on page one of http://launchpad.net/drizzle/+download
[18:00] <mtaylor> jelmer: so I'm at a loss as to what to put in debian/watch :(
[18:01] <rockstar> napster, hm, you shouldn't have had a proxy on 443, truthfully.
[18:01] <rockstar> napster, it happens every time?
[18:01] <mtaylor> jelmer: oh- hey, I think I came up with a hack around it
[18:01] <jelmer> mtaylor: Can you file a bug about the sorting? It seems wrong to not sort those pages.
[18:02] <napster> rockstar: I'm trying for a while :(
[18:02] <mtaylor> jelmer: yes, I can do that
[18:02] <jelmer> mtaylor: The front page for drizzle has a tar.gz link too, can you use that in the mean time perhaps?
[18:02] <mtaylor> jelmer: and for now, I just made the first part of the watch line http://launchpad.net/drizzle instead of http://launchpad.net/drizzle/+download
[18:02] <mtaylor> yes
[18:02] <jelmer> gmta (-:
[18:04] <rockstar> napster, what's your connection like?
[18:04] <mtaylor> jelmer: :)
[18:04] <mtaylor> jelmer: bug filed
[18:04] <napster> rockstar: Through a DSL modem
[18:04] <napster> rockstar: Like direct
[18:17] <Chex> maxb: you should be all set now: 2010-10-20 17:12:30 INFO    Branch for '377476' at 'lp-internal:///~grass/grass6/grass64_release_debian' stacked on u'/~timmie/grass6/grass_trunk', should be on '/~grass/grass6/grass_trunk'. 2010-10-20 17:12:30 INFO    Done
[18:19] <alkisg> Hi, where should I file a bug about some mailing list web pages not showing utf8 chars? In https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad or in some other component?
[18:19] <alkisg> (wrong example: https://lists.launchpad.net/linux.sch.gr/ - right example: https://lists.launchpad.net/linux.sch.gr/msg00263.html)
[18:21] <maxb> Thanks Chex
[18:22] <napster> rockstar: Any idea? Should I report a bug?
[18:22] <rockstar> napster, can you branch from other branches on Launchpad?
[18:22] <rockstar> napster, I'm inclined to think there is an issue with your net connection.
[18:23] <napster> rockstar: I hope the net connection is ok. But what is error number 110?
[18:23] <rockstar> napster, it appears to be a timeout.
[18:24] <rockstar> napster, what version of bzr are you using?
[18:24] <napster> rockstar: 2.2.0
[18:25] <rockstar> napster, can you branch from any other branches on Launchpad?
[18:25] <napster> rockstar: Let me try
[18:27] <alkisg> OK, filed in launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/664044
[19:30] <DoeNietWil> mac just stole launchpad's name
[19:57] <c_korn> hello. where there some changes to the rdf for keyring lately? this call g.parse('https://launchpad.net/people/%s/+rdf' % self.lpgroup) (g is from rdflib.Graph import Graph) returns this error: http://pastebin.com/Svim5r0R
[22:14] <jcsackett> back
[23:15] <cetinsert> hi
[23:15] <cetinsert> does canonical or anyone from the launchpad.net community have plans to complain about apple naming an application in mac os x lion 10.7 also launchpad!?
[23:16] <mwhudson> cetinsert: canonical's legal team have been asked, yeah
[23:17] <lifeless> mwhudson: jml did that already?
[23:17] <mwhudson> lifeless: didn't he?
[23:17] <lifeless> mwhudson: well, I think we agreed that that is what needs to happen....
[23:17] <mwhudson> ok
[23:17] <mwhudson> close enough, i trust jml's GTD mania
[23:18] <lifeless> cetinsert: bug 664107 was filed about this
[23:18] <lifeless> we've only just started looking into, so I can't say if we're going to complain or whatever yet.
[23:18] <cetinsert> i do strongly support any actions you plan to take in this case!
[23:20] <cetinsert> I am very positively pleased to see people have noticed and planned to do something about (well, at least take a look into) it. ^__^ ... I have always liked Ubuntu and all the open-source community ...
[23:22] <cetinsert> good luck and lots of success with your business ... that was all I wanted to know and I am astonished to get a personal answer so quickly! wish you all a nice time from Heidelberg, Germany *^o^*!!
[23:23] <lifeless> thank you