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dakerdoctormo, check this branch when you are free01:06
dakerhttps://code.launchpad.net/~adnane002/erato/initial-django-project01:06
doctormothanks daker01:09
doctormodaker: So you've moved the media and templates dir into the django dir, why?01:09
dakeri think it should into the django dir01:10
doctormodaker: Any rationale? I've always seen them outside, because they were always sperate elements.01:11
doctormoNot that it matters I guess, just curious as to reorg01:15
dakeri don't think it's problem01:15
dakersince we can specify the the path for both templates and media in settings.py01:16
chris3hey guys. I'm looking to contribute to ubuntu. I don't have many talents, but I consider graphic design to be a strong point. How can I start helping?01:16
dakerdoctormo, i need to sleep01:17
dakersee ya01:17
doctormodaker: Sure thing, we'll talk more about important things tomorrow. Thanks for the work01:17
dakernp01:17
dakerbye01:17
chris3Is there anything that needs work?01:26
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csmith1994Is anybody out there?01:33
doctormoyes01:50
vishthorwil ¦ do you have any notes regarding the designhub? anything you are working from to design it?08:06
thorwilvish: yes. scattered on paper ;)08:07
vishthorwil ¦ drop them on etherpad :)08:07
thorwilwe shouldn't call it "designhub"08:08
vishyea, just using it for familiarity ;)08:08
vishwe can christen better it later...08:08
vish*it better08:09
thorwilerato or design center for now, i'd say08:09
vishk... erato it is ;)08:10
* thorwil wonders at what point people started to think bug reports are just another kind of discussion forum08:10
thorwilmaybe electro-shocks depending on the lack of new information or insights would help :>08:12
thorwildoctormo: thoughts on thumbnails: we might want to avoid having fixed resized versions of images in the database. would become ugly if we change our mind on the right sizes to use. instead, a width, a height or a preset like "small" could be part of the request url. results would be cached (potentially for a long time)08:31
vishthorwil , doctormo : filed an rt request for the art.ubuntu.com site , lets hope we get the namespace soon..08:53
thorwilvish: why not design.ubuntu.com and what about making the site distribution/project independent?08:55
vishthorwil ¦ how much of design in Ubuntu are we going to be doing? :)08:55
thorwilvish: applied to wallpapers, themes and icons art vs design is a question of mindset08:56
vishhmm.. might that be considered as something conflicting with design.canonical.com ?08:57
vishthorwil ¦ well, the LoCo and the QA teams are in the same namespace as well, while they cover other distros too08:57
thorwilvish: conflicting? you could as well argue it would be mirroring the canonical thing on the community side08:59
vishthorwil ¦ thats where i feel it might be considered as conflicting.. ;)08:59
vishthorwil ¦ i'm not picky about the name though.. i just thought it might be considered conflicting..09:06
vishand we had been traditionally an artwork team.. so it might be weird that we now try to get a design.u.c09:07
thorwilwe have traditionally been, with few exceptions, a hot air team ;)09:08
vish:)09:10
dakergood morning10:43
thorwilgood morning daker10:44
thorwilvish, daker, doctormo: for planning and mockups: https://code.launchpad.net/~art-design-website/+junk/meta-design-center12:20
dakerthorwil, good12:23
thorwilSchendje: for planning and mockups: https://code.launchpad.net/~art-design-website/+junk/meta-design-center13:03
Schendjethorwil: sweet!13:03
Schendjei'll have a look this afternoon :)13:04
thorwilSchendje: so far just a textfile. don't hesitate to add sketches/wireframes/mockups ...13:04
Schendjei'll see what i can do13:05
doctormoMorning all14:50
dakermorning doctormo14:54
doctormodaker: Would you like me to merge your changes?15:53
doctormothorwil: To answer your question from yesterday, there is no reason we can't have both or either.15:53
dakerdoctormo, i pushing an updated code15:54
dakerdoctormo, wait15:54
doctormosure thing15:56
dakerdoctormo, ok merge15:56
doctormohttps://code.launchpad.net/~adnane002/erato/initial-django-project/+register-merge :-)15:56
dakerWow conflicts :D16:00
dakerdoctormo, we will not use the old files16:01
doctormodaker: Hmm, how could there be a conflict? I didn't commit anything after the first commit.16:02
dakerdoctormo, can you clean lp:erato from all the files then put just  mine16:04
doctormodaker: I will, but please note that I'm unhappy about how you've clobbered the branch. This much happen again.16:04
doctormomust not*16:04
dakerdoctormo, sorry16:07
doctormoI'm trying to rebase, but it seems you've created a whole new branch set so I'll have to do it manually. This isn't a problem of course :-)16:08
dakeryeah i have created a new branch16:08
dakerthat's why they were in conflicts16:09
doctormoHmm, AUTHORS file has execute permissions, what platform are you using?16:10
dakeractualy Lubuntu16:10
dakerat home Ubuntu16:10
doctormoOK so I'm going to move mockups out temporarily until I can figure out what it's for. then commit everything.16:11
chaotic the passport front?16:11
chaoticany joy on the passport front?16:11
chaoticwrong channel!16:11
dakerif you are going to remove it then it should removed from INSTALLED_APPS16:12
doctormodaker: Is it a template for apps?16:13
dakerit's an app16:14
dakermockups = artworks = assets16:14
doctormodaker: Yes, I see. And projects would be?16:15
dakeralso it's an app16:15
dakerwe will have projects, and each project has mockups16:16
doctormodaker: That's out of scope for the specification.16:17
doctormoThis inital phaise should be easy and small, axis of objects are for later.16:18
doctormothorwil: Of course the main reason for a limited inital scope is for design and production and make sure we're all on the same page. Your thoughts would be great.16:22
thorwildoctormo: i'm quite happy with just handling assets first, to expand from there16:25
thorwildaker: please don't rush into the organizational design ;)16:26
dakeri didn't rush into anything16:30
thorwildaker: i was referring to  "we will have projects, and each project has mockups"16:30
dakerthorwil, just a thought16:31
thorwildaker: at some point there shall be projects. and projects may include mockups. but initially, everything is just a not further specified asset16:33
dakerthorwil, ok16:33
doctormoPushed rev 2 of trunk.16:34
dakerdoctormo, thanks & sorry again16:39
doctormodaker: np, we're cutting our teeth on a new project and a new team, bound to happen once or twice.16:41
dakerthanks16:42
ronnie_vd_chi all17:04
thorwilwelcome, ronnie_vd_c17:05
ronnie_vd_cdoctormo, which version of launchpadlib do you use in the project, i get an error on: from launchpadlib.errors import HTTPError17:05
ronnie_vd_cill have the version shipped in 10.1017:06
ronnie_vd_cthorwil, any idea?17:09
thorwilronnie_vd_c: no, didn't peak into the code at all17:10
ronnie_vd_cdaker maybe (the writer of the code)17:10
doctormoHey ronnie_vd_c17:15
ronnie_vd_cHey doctormo17:15
doctormoronnie_vd_c: What we have is just the skelliton, it doesn't execute yet. That'll be cleared up in the ext couple of commits.17:15
doctormoronnie_vd_c: But I do have a job for someone, if you'd like to do it?17:15
ronnie_vd_cdoctorme, okay what can i do?17:18
doctormoronnie_vd_c: The job is to go into each of the py files so far created and add a standard AGPLv3 header, copyright Martin Owens and Adnane Belmadiaf. Anything in common or users should have the same header but copyright loco directory with a link to their project.17:22
doctormo(because we didn't write those)17:22
ronnie_vd_cdoctorme, is there an example of this header?17:23
dakerdoctormo, the code is executed :D17:24
dakeryou can see the homepage & login/logout17:24
ronnie_vd_cdaker, what version of launchpadlib did you use in erato (im a new member of the project)17:25
dakerlemme see17:26
daker1.6.017:27
dakercan you pastebin the error ?17:27
thorwildoctormo: this didn't quite work out like i hoped for ... but does this reflect the desired structure of the initial site? http://www.foopics.com/showfull/cd144d2b8cdc51783be8c7d40060413a17:29
ronnie_vd_cdaker, i get the error in Eclipse: Unresolved import: HTTPError17:33
ronnie_vd_cthe line: from launchpadlib.errors import HTTPError17:33
ronnie_vd_cin common/launchpad.py17:33
ronnie_vd_ci have 1.6.117:35
ronnie_vd_cMy first commit is done. it contains some fixes in indentations, imports and i added some models.17:43
ronnie_vd_cill have to go now, ill hope to be back in one/two hours17:44
dakerronnie_vd_c, sorry i am at work17:47
dakeri can help in few hours17:48
doctormoronnie_vd_c: Just finished doing the dishes.17:53
doctormoronnie_vd_c: I'll merge in your work and we'll work on errors some.17:53
doctormodaker: You get the login screen from trunk?17:53
ronnie_vd_cim back already. was called for computer problems. 81 cookies instead of virusses, so problem was very quick solved17:54
dakerwait til i come back to home in 3hours17:56
doctormoronnie_vd_c: This has a good example:http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~doctormo/us-ma-loco-site/trunk/annotate/head%3A/UbuntuMaWebsite/urls.py18:00
doctormoof headers18:00
doctormothorwil: That looks like a very good workflow, yes. Now we just need some fleshy designs to go on the bones :-)18:00
ronnie_vd_cthx doctormo. I see a strange diff file from my merge. maybe eclipse did some unusual things...18:00
doctormoronnie_vd_c: Have you used ground control at all?18:01
ronnie_vd_cground control?18:01
doctormoronnie_vd_c: http://ground-control.org/ I made it because I got sick of eclipse.18:01
ronnie_vd_cdoctormo, i used bzr from commandline. but i think when importing the files in eclipse that eclipse changed some files18:03
ronnie_vd_cdoctormo, ground-control gives: Broken Bzr Branch Nor a branch "bzr+ssh://.../~art-design-website/erato/trunk/"18:05
ronnie_vd_cdoctromo, should # -*- coding: utf-8 -*-    go before or after the header?18:06
ronnie_vd_cdoctormo, the commit could be right. i checked out from the branch from daker, which was not merged before into erato18:10
doctormoronnie_vd_c: daker's branch isn't trunk, so you'll have to grab trunk and do the work over.18:11
doctormo(or copy the files over, making sure there isn't any weirdness)18:11
doctormoronnie_vd_c: that error was fixed on my ppa, launchpad changed and hurt gc :-( ppa:doctormo/groundcontrol18:12
ronnie_vd_chave to restart, kernel updates. brb18:14
doctormoronnie_vd_c: welcome back18:21
ronnie_vd_c:D18:21
doctormoronnie_vd_c: If you make a new branch based on trunk, you might want to remove your current one in launchpad to keep it all clean and prevent more people from branching from this set.18:24
ronnie_vd_cdoctormo. Ok, i removed it already from local drive (copied file i modified). ill remove the LP one too18:25
doctormodaker: Same thing for yours, if you can deactivate your inital branch and then we have a clean single branch set system.18:26
doctormoronnie_vd_c: Thanks!18:26
dakerdoctormo, ok i'll do it18:29
doctormoGreat, I'm going to be working on the asset app. Should be easy. Without a design I'll do simple html.18:31
ronnie_vd_cdoctormo, does the header come before or after # -*- coding: utf-8 -*-18:34
ronnie_vd_cen before or after: #!/usr/bin/python18:35
thorwildoctormo: maybe i manage to start with a skeleton mockup today. though on my own, i would just do simple, clean html. btw, a flavour of xhtml or html5?18:42
dakerxhtml :D18:43
doctormoronnie_vd_c: After18:43
doctormothorwil: html5, but I'm not exactly bothered either way. If we ever wanted to do videos though.18:43
ronnie_vd_cthorwil, based on the html5 of the community theme?18:44
thorwilronnie_vd_c: i would like to keep the site neutral18:44
ronnie_vd_cthorwil, ok18:44
thorwilronnie_vd_c: there are not many active designers, fences around various distributions and projects won't help. i hope for some cross-pollination and growth of a wider community18:47
ronnie_vd_cdoctormo, howto ignore files with ground-control?18:48
doctormoronnie_vd_c: Adding to the ignores file isn't possible atm, but you can ignore new additions with the ignore button.18:49
ronnie_vd_cwhich ignore button, i didn't see one18:52
vishthorwil ¦ in addition to http://www.foopics.com/showfull/cd144d2b8cdc51783be8c7d40060413a , for members : commenting on other assets and voting up/down of other comments18:53
ronnie_vd_cah got it. (after pushing commit)18:53
vishthorwil ¦ that way the best constructive comments filter to the top..18:54
thorwilvish: it's meant to match the first basic version. commenting and moderation will require some thought18:54
vishthorwil ¦ well, critiquing is part of building a better community which is think we need more than ever now :)18:55
vishor maybe i understood you wrong.. ;)18:56
thorwilvish: yes. the diagramm is meant to match doctormo's bare bones initial just upload and browse18:57
thorwilvish: i agree on the importance of commenting. that's exactly why i say: it needs thought18:57
thorwilvish: on a site like digg or reddit, once in a while people will complain that too many other vote up/down based on agreement, not on the merit of arguments18:59
vishthorwil ¦ right, but what i meant was : when we open it to public, commenting should be part of site from day one, since initial curiosity will drive in more members/users, and when the commenting is not there it will be incomplete..19:00
vishthorwil ¦ but i do agree we need to decide how to vote up/down and make it effective19:01
vishstackexchange has a voting rep system19:02
vishnew users can *not* vote immediately..19:02
vishthey must provided other effective answers or something to gain rep19:03
vishand that too, voting up needs a rep of 15 and voting down needs a higher rep19:03
thorwilvish: for the assets themselves, once there are associated briefings, we could ask for votes on whether and how well the asset matches the briefing. to discourage simple, highly subjective like/dislike reactions19:03
ronnie_vd_cdoctormo, copyright and gplv3 done19:04
vishthorwil ¦ yep, i think we would need to moderate a lot initially, to filter cruft ;)19:04
thorwilvish: wouldn't hurt to study and compare various approaches to commenting and moderation, if you are so inclined :)19:05
vishwill look into it ;)19:05
doctormoronnie_vd_c: Great, I'll commit on your merge request.19:05
doctormoronnie_vd_c: Did you find groundcontrol useful?19:05
ronnie_vd_cnot yet. it could not do a merge proposal19:06
ronnie_vd_cill had to do it on LP itself19:06
ronnie_vd_cdoctormo, i got 6 Unresolved import errors. mainly because the project imports does not start with art_website19:06
doctormoronnie_vd_c: Got those in ground control?19:06
ronnie_vd_cno, in eclipse (from the code itself)19:07
ronnie_vd_chttp://i.imgur.com/IzWkg.png19:07
ronnie_vd_cdoctormo, screenshot from merge request screen from ground control: http://i.imgur.com/JXAWF.png19:08
ronnie_vd_cdoctormo, oops did not add the copyright and gpl. did it in the old code. ill upload them soon19:10
ronnie_vd_ccurrent merge only has the updated .bzrignore19:10
vishhttps://help.launchpad.net/logo/submissions  !!!!!19:17
vishthey used something other than wiki for submissions? or …19:18
ronnie_vd_ci guess that help.launchpad.net uses wiki like software19:19
thorwilvish: it is a wiki19:19
vishoh then all is well ;)19:20
doctormowow that's a lot of submissions.19:23
thorwildoctormo: well, it was a chance to create the official LP logo plus some bag or something as price19:26
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dakerback19:53
dakerdoctormo, can i push directly or just propose merges ?19:53
doctormoHey daker, we should all be doing merge requests (even me) to make sure our code is awesome.19:53
dakeroki19:54
doctormoYou don't mind doing reviews of my patches do you?19:54
dakeri can review theme19:57
dakerkeep in mind that we need to keep clean and we should remove useless files20:01
dakeri mean the code :)20:01
dakerdoctormo, Copyright 2008, Martin Owens. ?20:07
ronnie_vd_cdaker: didnt i change that?20:09
ronnie_vd_cdaker, my bad20:10
daker\o/20:10
ronnie_vd_cdaker, new merge should be OK: https://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/erato/trunk/+merge/3896220:18
dakeroki man20:18
dakerok new merge https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~adnane002/erato/designhub/+merge/3897120:42
dakerronnie_vd_c, try to run this branch lp:~adnane002/erato/designhub20:43
dakerthere is an INSTALL file there20:43
ronnie_vd_cdaker, i cant even run mine :(20:44
dakerwhy ?20:44
ronnie_vd_cImportError: No module named art_website20:44
dakerit's fixed here :) lp:~adnane002/erato/designhub20:44
dakerfollow INSTALL instructions20:45
ronnie_vd_cah ok.20:45
ronnie_vd_cdaker, im not very familiar with bzr. how can ik add your brnach?20:47
dakeropen the terminal20:47
dakerthen $ cd /path/to/your/projects/folder20:48
daker$ bzr branch lp:~adnane002/erato/designhub20:48
ronnie_vd_cinto the same folder i have my branch?20:48
dakerno20:48
ronnie_vd_cah20:48
doctormodaker: I completely agree, down with useless code!20:49
doctormoand so on20:49
ronnie_vd_cdaker, runs without errors20:50
dakergood20:50
dakerthen follow INSTALL20:51
ronnie_vd_calthough: local_settings.py.sample is called local_settings.template20:51
doctormoronnie_vd_c: That's me, I renamed it because sample isn't what it is.20:52
doctormomy fault*20:52
ronnie_vd_cdoctormo, if you have time, you could accept both merges20:57
doctormoronnie_vd_c: I am working through it now.20:57
doctormodaker: Why do you insist upon moving around the files? I can't merge in your branch now.20:59
ricardono me puedo conectar con wicd me sale que la contraseña no es la valida21:00
dakerdoctormo, the media & templates folders should inside art_website project21:01
doctormodaker: According to what?21:01
doctormoAll django projects I've ever seen bar the loco directory have the media and templates directory outside.21:02
dakeraccording to the django docs21:02
doctormoBut worse than that, you did it without even talking about it21:02
doctormoNo message: "Now see here doctormo, your off your game with this one, see the docs here clearly say X, so I'm making a merge proposal to put them back"21:02
dakerdoctormo, no LD have them inside :)21:03
dakerdoctormo, ask the developers21:03
doctormodaker: Yes, I said _except_ for the loco directory.21:03
doctormoThat's the only project I've seen it done that way.21:03
ronnie_vd_cdaker, do you know the difference between python-django-openid-auth and python-django-auth-openid21:03
dakerronnie_vd_c, no21:06
ronnie_vd_cok :)21:07
doctormoronnie_vd_c: Great, mering your changes.21:08
doctormoDo we know where the users app came from?21:10
dakerdoctormo, from LD21:11
dakerif you are runing my branch21:11
ronnie_vd_cdoctormo, ground-control gives no button to update my code. only revert, but there is nothing to revert and commit changes, but there is nothing to commit21:12
dakerdoctormo, go to 127.0.0.1:8000/openid/login21:12
doctormoronnie_vd_c: If you've submitted a merge request, then just delete and create a new branch for a new bit of work.21:12
doctormo(you guys have both done branch/merge workflow before right?)21:13
dakerdoctormo, yep21:13
doctormodaker: No just the one in trunk, which is from your original branch.21:13
ronnie_vd_cdoctormo, not very much21:13
ronnie_vd_cdoctormo, if i have to delete the branch and download the new one, i have to reconfigure eclipse each time21:14
thorwildoctormo: added not-ready-yet work on a mockup to https://code.launchpad.net/~art-design-website/+junk/meta-design-center21:15
thorwilgood night! :)21:15
doctormoEclipse is a bit broken when it comes to dealing with launchpad workflows. :-/21:15
doctormothanks thorwil, goodnight!21:15
ronnie_vd_cany good IDE's that can do the job?21:17
dakergedit :)21:17
ronnie_vd_c:(21:17
ronnie_vd_ci really like the error checking and auto complete in eclipse21:18
ronnie_vd_ci use gedit for templates (8 spaces long indentation (tabs) instead of 4 spaces indentation). Dont like to constantly switch these settings21:19
ronnie_vd_cdaker, doctormo: any good advise?21:19
doctormoronnie_vd_c: I know, I got used to those features too, but eclipse became too much of a problem to fight.21:20
doctormoI use vi now for most code, gedit too.21:21
dakerronnie_vd_c, bluefish ?21:21
ronnie_vd_cill have a look at bluefish21:22
* ronnie_vd_c is testing komodo now21:35
doctormodaker: The code we've got, does it require the lp_data messing about?21:37
dakerwhen you run the management command "update-profiles" it will create a lp_data (cache) folder21:39
doctormoIf it's trouble I might grab the code from http://ubuntu-massachusetts.com/21:39
doctormoOr is this for avatar images and such? *confused as to the need*21:40
dakerit's for realnames21:41
dakerit will pick all the usernames (lp login) and look for there Real names :)21:41
dakerthen store them in the database21:42
doctormoIsn't that what the openid passes, so there's no need for cache stuff.21:42
doctormoOr at least that's what the ma website does.21:42
dakeri think lp provide only the Username21:43
dakerdoctormo, i think the ubuntu ma code is good it grabs the realname and the email21:45
doctormodaker: Your thoughts on if we should combine the best parts of the two or use one of them in preference?21:50
dakerif your code can pick information for lp(real name,email) then will use it21:52
* ronnie_vd_c says goodbye to eclipse and stats using gedit21:52
ronnie_vd_claunchpad only gives the real name and email to trusted sites (i red a while ago)21:53
dakerwith the LD one we have to update the profiles with cronjob21:53
ronnie_vd_cbut i guess launchapdlib can retrieve the real name from the username...21:54
doctormoronnie_vd_c: It can.21:55
ronnie_vd_cdoctormo, new merge. fixed the static media url in urls.py22:11
doctormoronnie_vd_c: Waiting for the merge request to come in.22:14
ronnie_vd_cis "def is_user_on_loco_council(user):" needed in this project?22:18
doctormonope22:19
doctormoronnie_vd_c: Did you make a new branch for your new changes?22:19
ronnie_vd_cyes, but with the same name i thought22:19
ronnie_vd_cbut the diff looks OK22:19
ronnie_vd_chttps://code.launchpad.net/~ronnie.vd.c/erato/art-design-website/+merge/3898922:20
doctormoronnie_vd_c: Different names are traditional, but I suppose it doesn't matter.22:20
ronnie_vd_cdoctormo, next time ill be using different names then. is the function "def is_team_member(user, team):" also not needed anymore?22:21
doctormoI don't think so22:21
ronnie_vd_cmugshot and timezone can be handy to have. ill leave those untouched. the previous mentioned functions ill remove OK?22:23
doctormook22:23
doctormoronnie_vd_c: You should be able to use the WEBSITE_PATH variable instead of ../22:34
ronnie_vd_cjust came to the same conclusion when reading the code22:34
ronnie_vd_cdoctormo, ill change it and do a new merge soon22:35
doctormoronnie_vd_c: I haven't merged your new one yet, there is still time22:35
ronnie_vd_cdoctormo: done22:42
ronnie_vd_cdaker, doctormo: I have to sleep now (european/dutch time), see you tomorrow22:59
doctormoTime to go myself, I'll get everything merged and see youall tomorrow.23:17

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