[00:38] <davidascher> hi y'all.  anyone here been successful installing vmware tools on ubuntu 10.10?
[00:39]  * micahg uses Virtualbox
[00:43] <davidascher> micahg: will it let you access mac filesystems from the guest OS?
[00:43] <micahg> davidascher: hmmm, idk
[08:55] <fishor> hallo all, i have problem with current 4.0b8pre. Fi watch youtube video embeded to thirt party website, i'll get lot's of artifacts
[08:55] <fishor> here is screencast http://videobin.org/+281/2il.html
[08:55] <fishor> do this some thing known?
[13:19] <fta2> jdstrand, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/7.0.517.41~r62167/  (bug 663523)   as usual, I can't test armel
[13:19] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 663523 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu Natty) (and 3 other projects) "6.0.472.63~r59945 -> 7.0.517.41~r62167 upgrade (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/663523
[13:19] <jdstrand> fta2: thanks!
[13:21] <fta2> jdstrand, it's a major upgrade, so i took that opportunity to re-sync my branches (so lucid caught up and all l/m/n are at the same level packaging wise).. i think that was the idea, right?
[13:22] <fta2> there was not much difference anywhay. just apport and some translations
[13:22] <fta2> anyway
[13:25] <jdstrand> fta2: well, the idea was to keep the changes in debian/ minimal regardless of the upstream version. I'll review it. from what you said it sounds like it shouldn't be a problem
[13:30] <fta2> jdstrand, ok, thanks. let me know if you have any question regarding the changes
[13:48] <flo1> hello, how can I change the font for writing a new not-html message?
[14:29] <flo1> bye.
[15:53] <chrisccoulson_> asac - i've narrowed down our problem with gcc-4.5 quite a bit now
[15:53] <chrisccoulson_> ......hardening-wrapper!
[15:53] <chrisccoulson_> does that mean i can blame jdstrand? ;)
[16:01] <asac> chrisccoulson_: yeah
[16:01] <asac> chrisccoulson_: actually kees
[16:01] <chrisccoulson_> asac - yeah, i just asked kees for help on #ubuntu-devel
[16:01] <chrisccoulson_> next step is to narrow it down to a specific build option
[16:02] <chrisccoulson_> i will try -fstack-protector first
[16:02] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: then there should be no issue with thunderbird builds since it's not used
[16:02] <chrisccoulson_> micahg - yeah, that's ok then
[16:02] <chrisccoulson_> although they should use it ;)
[16:05] <asac> chrisccoulson_: have you looked at ffox 4 + GL/GLES support for webgl?
[16:05] <asac> do we need a session on that at UDS?
[16:05] <asac> what we really want is that you can easily swap out GL/GLES backend for that
[16:05] <asac> both on armel and i386 ....
[16:06] <chrisccoulson_> asac - not yet, although I think there was an e-mail on one of the mozilla mailing lists a couple of weeks back detailing the current state of all of this
[16:06] <chrisccoulson_> let me check, just to make sure i didn't dream it ;)
[16:07] <asac> i think all this already landed
[16:07] <asac> in trunk for 4.0 ... that was my impression at moz summit a few month back at least
[16:11] <fta> hi
[16:11] <fta> anyone running natty here?
[16:11] <fta> need chromium/natty testers, for the gcc 4.5 stuff
[16:14] <fta> asac, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/chromium/chromium-translations.png
[16:15] <asac> fta: awesome. is that the future or already implemented?
[16:15] <asac> a full feedback loop is really good if you get this going
[16:16] <fta> asac, it's 99% implemented
[16:25] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson_: fyi, if I take a thunderbird profile (2.0.0.12, ~/.mozilla-thunderbird) created on hardy, then copy that to a maverick system and run thunderbird, I lose all my imap accounts. See lp:qa-regression-testing/notest_testing/thunderbird
[16:25] <jdstrand> s/notest/notes/
[16:26] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson_: so it seems 2.0 to 3.1 are not quite seemless
[16:26] <micahg> jdstrand: I think someone reported that as well :(
[16:26] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson_: this won't affect the pending update, since the some problem is with maverick-release
[16:26] <jdstrand> micahg: k. more of an fyi for the 3.1 transition
[16:27] <micahg> jdstrand: thanks, we'll need to address that in the next two months since Lucid will be moving to 3.1
[16:27] <jdstrand> micahg: well, lucid has 3.0, so it may be ok (haven't tested yet)
[16:28] <micahg> jdstrand: right, be we'll be supporting upgrades from Hardy and Karmic still
[16:28] <jdstrand> reight, yeah, I see what you mean now
[16:28] <jdstrand> right
[16:28] <chrisccoulson_> jdstrand, oh, thanks. i'll remember that ;)
[16:29] <jdstrand> so hardy (2.0) or karmic (2.0) -> lucid (3.1)
[16:54] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: I was wondering, since we have no "beta" builds in teh daily PPA ATM, can I strip that out for the LUcid 3.1 upgrade?
[17:29] <chrisccoulson_> micahg - yeah, that can be taken out of the 3.1 upgrade, if there aren't any beta builds already
[17:30] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: ok, I was going to try to push 3.1 to tb-stable, but in light of jdstrand's findings, I think I'll wait
[17:30] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: also, I think at this point, I"m going to remove the mv .thunderbird .thunderbird.UPSTREAM as well since our dailies use .thunderbird
[17:35] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: should I assign the gnome-web-photo glue issue to you?
[17:39] <chrisccoulson_> micahg - yeah, can do
[17:40] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: k, done, and milestoned for alpha 3
[17:40] <chrisccoulson_> thanks
[19:21] <ubugeek> Hi, how can I install firefox 3.6.11 on Lucid - packet manager still say - no updates
[19:28] <ubugeek> ok, no answer - bye
[21:18] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: was the gcc bug fixed?
[21:20] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, not yet
[21:20] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: thanks
[21:24] <gnomefreak> firefox wont open :(
[21:25] <gnomefreak> does crome use xul?
[21:25] <gnomefreak> chrome
[21:34] <micahg> gnomefreak: no, it's webkit based
[21:34] <micahg> gnomefreak: the problem with Firefox/xulrunner in Natty is the hardening-wrapper
[21:34] <gnomefreak> micahg: thanks
[21:37] <gnomefreak> >50 mailing lists post only 1 is not spam
[21:50] <gnomefreak> i cant belive most of the addons have not been updated passed 4.0b6 we are on ~b8
[21:50] <micahg> gnomefreak: b6 is the last release ATM
[21:51] <gnomefreak> not for us
[21:51] <micahg> b7 is branched, but waiting for stuff to land/be fixed
[21:51] <micahg> gnomefreak: no, I'm saying it's the last beta
[21:51] <micahg> I mean teh last one that has been officially released as a beta
[21:51] <gnomefreak> oh
[21:51] <micahg> beta 7 is still pending
[21:52] <gnomefreak> for some reason i have maverick build on natty PPA
[21:52] <micahg> gnomefreak: are you sure the PPA source is set for Natty?
[21:52] <gnomefreak> looking atm
[21:52] <gnomefreak> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu natty main
[21:53] <gnomefreak> firefox-4.0: Installed: 4.0~b8~hg20101018r55986+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~maverick Candidate: 4.0~b8~hg20101018r55986+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~maverick
[21:54] <micahg> apt-cache policy | grep ubuntu-mozilla-daily
[21:54] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~$ apt-cache policy | grep ubuntu-mozilla-daily
[21:54] <gnomefreak>  500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu/ natty/main i386 Packages
[21:54] <gnomefreak>      release v=11.04,o=LP-PPA-ubuntu-mozilla-daily,a=natty,n=natty,l=PPA for Ubuntu Mozilla Daily Build Team,c=main
[21:55] <chrisccoulson> there are no natty builds of firefox for x86 yet, they all fail because of the gcc issue
[21:55] <micahg> right, was just about to say that :)
[21:55] <gnomefreak> not exactly
[21:55] <micahg> the build is 2 days old
[21:56] <gnomefreak> Version table:
[21:56] <gnomefreak>      3.6.12~hg20101019r34686+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1 0
[21:56] <gnomefreak>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu/ natty/main
[21:56] <micahg> yep, weird
[21:56] <gnomefreak> i have a firefox update waiting for me to get to it
[21:56] <micahg> chrisccoulson: why does PIE work on 3.6 but not 4.0?
[21:56] <gnomefreak> im sure it will fail to configure
[21:57] <chrisccoulson> micahg - does it work on 3.6? remember that we don't run the test-suite there, so the builds all succeed
[21:57] <chrisccoulson> but i bet they don't run ;)
[21:57] <micahg> oh, right, heh
[21:57] <gnomefreak> but what the hell ill let it update and have a smoke in the meantime
[21:58] <gnomefreak> here 4.0 runs but 3.* doesnt again guessing due to gcc bug
[21:58] <gnomefreak> be back in a few
[21:58] <micahg> gnomefreak: right, but you have the maverick build for 4.0
[21:59] <gnomefreak> wait dont we use a general GCC in /rules, i did for SM and dont recall if i did for sunbird but i think i did
[21:59] <micahg> gnomefreak: we're using the gcc in the toolchain across teh board I think
[21:59] <gnomefreak> gerneal == without versions, or is that only for spac
[21:59] <gnomefreak> sparc
[21:59] <micahg> sparc is gone :)
[21:59] <chrisccoulson> sparc? nobody cares about that ;)
[22:00] <gnomefreak> it was a while ago :)
[22:00] <chrisccoulson> yeah, the builds all use the default toolchain, although FF-4.0 has a hack to force gcc-4.5 if you turn on PGO
[22:00] <chrisccoulson> so i can build it on maverick
[22:00] <gnomefreak> oh we are building with PGO now?
[22:00] <chrisccoulson> no
[22:00] <chrisccoulson> but we will hopefully be this cycle
[22:01] <gnomefreak> yeah lots of people want it but im not sure what it is but im betting end-user wont notice it
[22:01] <micahg> gnomefreak: it improves start time
[22:01] <gnomefreak> oh hell yes :)
[22:01] <chrisccoulson> hopefully. i will try and do some benchmarks after UDS and see what real win there is for us
[22:02] <chrisccoulson> i haven't really seen any hard figures about how big a win it is
[22:02] <gnomefreak> ok ill be back while update is going (only 30 packages or so
[22:03] <gnomefreak> 28 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[22:03] <gnomefreak> 4 not fully installed or removed.
[22:03] <gnomefreak> :)
[22:03] <chrisccoulson> you're using natty already?
[22:04] <chrisccoulson> i think i'll wait until at least after UDS before upgrading ;)
[22:06]  * micahg will wait until at least alpha 3, maybe beta if any major changes planned after alpha 3
[22:08] <BUGabundo> guud evening
[22:10]  * gnomefreak much rather have tb32 but it will be a while
[22:11] <micahg> gnomefreak: after UDS, I hope to get 3.2 and 3.3 dailies going
[22:11] <gnomefreak> there used to be a term that allowed me to fold it
[22:18]  * gnomefreak looking for screenshot 
[22:32] <BUGabundo> fta: LOL LP fail... it show indiviual mails
[23:04] <fta> BUGabundo, ?
[23:05] <BUGabundo> the mail I sent to gwibber team
[23:08] <fta> oh, i see.