| ubottu | Jordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu (xmad) | 00:53 |
|---|---|---|
| ubottu | LjL called the ops in #ubuntu (nonsense has to stop) | 00:53 |
| Amaranth | xmad is alright, just frustrated | 01:00 |
| Amaranth | I talked to him, told him he was free to join again | 01:00 |
| Amaranth | IdleOne: Did you talk to the other one or did the logs show that wasn't needed? | 01:00 |
| IdleOne | I didn't talk to him. I removed for sake of fairness | 01:01 |
| IdleOne | I understand how they are all frustrated | 01:01 |
| Amaranth | Can I kick Matr|x? | 01:02 |
| IdleOne | let's see if he keeps his word | 01:02 |
| IdleOne | He doesn't want to reinstall for fear of losing his data (understandable) | 01:03 |
| Amaranth | mash_ doesn't seem to have said anything except the lines that got him kicked | 01:03 |
| maco | but...reinstalling doesnt delete /home | 01:03 |
| maco | and ze should be backing that up anyway | 01:03 |
| IdleOne | maco: if you have a separate /home | 01:03 |
| maco | IdleOne: where've you been the last 3 years? | 01:04 |
| IdleOne | in any case matr|x insist on doing this the hard way | 01:04 |
| maco | if you have all one partition, too! | 01:04 |
| IdleOne | really? | 01:04 |
| maco | select to use the same partition, uncheck the format option, /home is saved | 01:04 |
| IdleOne | heh, learned me something today. | 01:04 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from Matr|x) | 01:17 |
| ubottu | bastid_raZor called the ops in #ubuntu () | 01:17 |
| Amaranth | You know, I think that command may just work | 01:18 |
| maco | whichn? | 01:18 |
| elky | Can someone add that string to idoru for an hour or so? | 01:19 |
| maco | how we do that? | 01:19 |
| elky | I don't think we can, but it'd be terribly satisfying. | 01:19 |
| marienz | which string? | 01:25 |
| maco | marienz: "rm -rf /*" | 01:25 |
| marienz | hmmmmm | 01:25 |
| maco | (obv dont run it) | 01:25 |
| marienz | thanks for looking out, but I do run various linuxes myself, so yeah :) | 01:26 |
| maco | eh anyone reading logs later needs to see the warning too | 01:26 |
| KB1JWQ | maco: WHAT THE HELL DUDE! I RAN THAT COMMAND AND IT ATE MY MACBOOK!!!1! | 01:59 |
| KB1JWQ | :-D | 01:59 |
| maco | i used to have it in my email signature | 01:59 |
| maco | one of my professors almost did it, but when his macbook asked him for his password he decided maybe he shouldnt | 01:59 |
| KB1JWQ | maco: You're kidding me. Macs actually prompt for confirumation on that? | 02:01 |
| KB1JWQ | From terminal? | 02:01 |
| KB1JWQ | That's impressive. | 02:01 |
| KB1JWQ | (I'm sure as hell not going to test the theory until I'm on somoene else's) | 02:01 |
| maco | KB1JWQ: um...macs use sudo | 02:02 |
| maco | sudo asks for passwords by default... | 02:02 |
| jpds | KB1JWQ: s/MAC/FACE/ ? | 02:07 |
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| ubottu | In ubottu, h00k said: !linux is not windows | 03:18 |
| h00k | bah, fail | 03:18 |
| tonyyarusso | !windows | h00k, this has it | 03:27 |
| ubottu | h00k, this has it: For discussion on Microsoft software, or help with same, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubottu equivalents | 03:27 |
| h00k | tonyyarusso: thanks :p | 03:28 |
| h00k | tonyyarusso: it was a typo, anyway | 03:28 |
| h00k | #ubuntu sure is fun today. | 03:47 |
| Jordan_U | I suspect that lost_soul in #ubuntu is a troll. | 03:47 |
| h00k | yes | 03:50 |
| h00k | my /af wanted to op me in here, I think. | 04:01 |
| lost_soul | hmmmm | 04:02 |
| lost_soul | I would like to speak to h00k | 04:02 |
| lost_soul | he banned me from promper ##ubuntu | 04:03 |
| h00k | lost_soul: I had you forwarded here because of repeated messages to have you join the proper channel for the discussion. | 04:03 |
| maco | and you're not banned from the channel where your discussion would be appropriate anyway | 04:03 |
| lost_soul | I'm using ubuntu and I'm banned from there | 04:04 |
| lost_soul | am I not | 04:04 |
| lost_soul | I was merely asking questions | 04:04 |
| lost_soul | and stating what I had heard | 04:04 |
| maco | which were not on topic | 04:05 |
| lost_soul | btw, ty for speaking over here h00k | 04:05 |
| maco | you were told repeatedly that *only* tech support is on topic in #ubuntu (its not ##ubuntu, btw) | 04:05 |
| lost_soul | so I get banned? | 04:05 |
| lost_soul | seriously | 04:05 |
| h00k | And you were told the proper place for such discussion, #ubuntu-offtopic is the proper place for that, which is what you were told. | 04:05 |
| maco | for not following directions? yes | 04:05 |
| h00k | ubottu: tell lost_soul about topic | 04:06 |
| ubottu | lost_soul, please see my private message | 04:06 |
| lost_soul | thankfully ubuntu isn't a real os so fuck it... Debian kills em | 04:06 |
| lost_soul | ubuntu just rewrites code | 04:07 |
| h00k | lost_soul: With that attitude, I won't be removing your ban, either. | 04:07 |
| lost_soul | good | 04:07 |
| lost_soul | I don't need it with your attitude either | 04:07 |
| h00k | lost_soul: Please come back when you're ready to discuss proper behavior in a channel. | 04:07 |
| maco | lost_soul: please don't swear | 04:08 |
| maco | (upstart wasnt new code? this is news to me...) | 04:08 |
| h00k | lost_soul: please /part the channel and come back when you're ready to discuss proper etiquette regarding /topics in a channel, attitude, and language | 04:08 |
| h00k | see also, !coc Code of Conduct | 04:09 |
| lost_soul | I will say no more | 04:09 |
| h00k | ubottu: tell lost_soul about CoC | 04:09 |
| ubottu | lost_soul, please see my private message | 04:09 |
| lost_soul | if you don't want me here... boot me | 04:09 |
| lost_soul | knowing I've done nothing wrong | 04:09 |
| lost_soul | TRUTH | 04:09 |
| h00k | !op | lost_soul | 04:10 |
| ubottu | lost_soul: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Tm_T, tritium, elky, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, imbrandon, PriceChild, Madpilot, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, tsimpson, gnomefreak, jussi, topyli, or nhandler! | 04:10 |
| ubottu | h00k called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (lost_soul) | 04:10 |
| lost_soul | I don't understand what that is | 04:10 |
| nhandler | lost_soul: Please part like you were requested to do. | 04:11 |
| lost_soul | If I'm requested to part just boot me, grow a set of fucking balls | 04:11 |
| h00k | I tried, anyway. | 04:16 |
| ubottu | xangua called the ops in #ubuntu (Omanza) | 04:28 |
| IdleOne | thank you KB1JWQ | 05:29 |
| KB1JWQ | No worries, he's a cross channel irritant today. | 05:30 |
| IdleOne | why not just get them off network? | 05:30 |
| KB1JWQ | He's evading something fierce; *.tmodns.net hits a couple dozen legitimate users. | 05:31 |
| ubottu | Jordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu (FatDix) | 05:38 |
| IdleOne | uhg | 05:39 |
| IdleOne | ugh | 05:39 |
| IdleOne | guh | 05:39 |
| IdleOne | gonna be one of those nights | 05:39 |
| KB1JWQ | Might want to +q *!*@*tmodns.net if he comes back. | 05:40 |
| maco | is same person? | 05:40 |
| KB1JWQ | Yes. | 05:40 |
| maco | k | 05:40 |
| IdleOne | done | 05:40 |
| Jordan_U | Omanza is trolling in #ubuntu | 05:56 |
| ubottu | Jordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu (Omanza) | 06:01 |
| elky | Did someone let a cage of skiddies loose? | 06:02 |
| h00k | yes | 06:02 |
| h00k | twice | 06:02 |
| elky | :( | 06:02 |
| Jordan_U | sabayonuser3 may also be a troll (he's certainly in the wrong channel) | 06:05 |
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| ikonia | need to restart irssi, it's gone nuts | 08:46 |
| elky | Some people just cannot learn, can they. | 09:10 |
| topyli | not spaceghost anyway | 09:11 |
| ikonia | !staff | Guest679855 multiple channels autojoin spam links | 09:13 |
| ubottu | Guest679855 multiple channels autojoin spam links: hey Christel, Dave2, Gary, KB1JWQ, Levia, Martinp23, Pricey, SportsChick, VorTechS, jayne, jenda, marienz, nalioth, niko, nhandler, rob, stew or tomaw, I could use a bit of your time :) | 09:13 |
| CiphersSon | so i dont understand why im blocked from #ubuntu | 09:13 |
| CiphersSon | any one around help me get unbanded from #ubuntu | 09:14 |
| ikonia | CiphersSon: hang on | 09:15 |
| ikonia | @btlogin | 09:15 |
| CiphersSon | Ok thank you. | 09:15 |
| ikonia | CiphersSon: you told people to "stfu kids" or "shut the fuck up kids" in #ubuntu | 09:17 |
| CiphersSon | ? | 09:18 |
| ikonia | why is that a question ? | 09:18 |
| ikonia | you also posted a spam link | 09:18 |
| CiphersSon | I honestly dont rember doing that.... | 09:18 |
| CiphersSon | when was this? | 09:18 |
| ikonia | 14/08/2010 | 09:19 |
| ikonia | anything coming back | 09:21 |
| CiphersSon | I cant make heads or tells of it. | 09:21 |
| ikonia | the operator jpds banning you and removing you from the channel | 09:21 |
| CiphersSon | theres only two things that i think could have happened | 09:21 |
| ikonia | I bet I know one of them, but go on | 09:21 |
| CiphersSon | either i was completely hammered drunk or i my friend was because i let him use this computer some times and only this computer witch i call my "chat box" | 09:22 |
| ikonia | there we go, I knew it was going to be one of those two things | 09:23 |
| ikonia | CiphersSon: you are responsible for your own behaviour even when drunk, or for your friends computer using your machine, username and ip | 09:23 |
| ikonia | CiphersSon: go and talk to your friend and find out if he can make any sense of it | 09:24 |
| CiphersSon | Well is there any thing i can do. I apologize if that meens anything. | 09:24 |
| ikonia | CiphersSon: take some time to speak to your friend to find out if it was him | 09:24 |
| ikonia | then come back and let us know | 09:25 |
| CiphersSon | Hes in nebraska | 09:25 |
| CiphersSon | im in kansas | 09:25 |
| persia | Apologies mostly only help for things one knows one did: if one doesn't have control over one's computer (friends use it, etc.), that tends to expect security precautions to be taken. | 09:25 |
| ikonia | CiphersSon: use emai/telephone/skype | 09:25 |
| ikonia | CiphersSon: let us know what you find out and we can look at the ban | 09:25 |
| ikonia | CiphersSon: you're welcome to re-join this channel when you have additional information, in the mean time we ask that you leave the channel until we can discuss your ban with you | 09:28 |
| jussi | oh dear... NOOOO! http://capslockday.com/ | 09:52 |
| Gary | CAPSLOCK IS COOL | 09:53 |
| Tm_T | ...IT'S NOT THURSDAY ): | 09:53 |
| jussi | lol | 09:54 |
| persia | Tm_T, well be soon: only needs another hour in some places. | 09:57 |
| Gary | CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL!!!!111 | 09:58 |
| * Gary hides | 09:58 | |
| Flannel | Gary: BUT EVEN WITH CRUISE CONTROL, YOU STILL NEED TO STEER! | 09:59 |
| persia | Flannel, Depends where you are. | 09:59 |
| jussi | Flannel: welcome back, havent seen you around for a bit! | 10:12 |
| Flannel | jussi: I've been around, just wasn't doing much but reading backscroll for two weeks while I was away on business travel. | 10:13 |
| jussi | Flannel: ahh, business trips... yes, always fun | 10:14 |
| Gary | ikonia: can you pastebin the spam you reported earlier? | 10:15 |
| ikonia | Gary: http://pastebin.com/WyrBKnzD | 10:26 |
| ikonia | Gary: it changed (I joined a few times to test it) but it was that sort of thing | 10:26 |
| ikonia | mostly come from #drupal/#gentoo joins but did it when I joined #ubuntu and #mysql | 10:26 |
| elky | <SpaceGhostC2C> Hey, the +q is easily the best gift I could have ever asked for. Mind making a note not to remove it? Thanks. | 10:27 |
| elky | From the mouths of... I'm not really sure what. | 10:27 |
| ikonia | make a note of that atttiude for when he comes here asking for it to be removed | 10:30 |
| elky | It is what he requested, after all. | 10:31 |
| * popey notes that SpaceGhostC2C is one of a very small number of people who have been ejected from the ubuntu-users mailing list | 10:37 | |
| ikonia | worth noting | 10:51 |
| elky | popey, he is? | 11:14 |
| popey | yup | 11:14 |
| elky | I don't think I'll be unquieting him for a while then. | 11:15 |
| elky | Some time to think will do him good. | 11:15 |
| Tm_T | that nick does ring a bell | 11:16 |
| popey | not convinced +q is the right way forward tbh | 11:16 |
| popey | he was moderated on -users, but continued to get the mail and replied to people offlist | 11:16 |
| popey | which I guess he'll still do on irc, by PMing people | 11:17 |
| topyli | elky: he also rejoiced to me in pm and asked me if i can talk to you to not remove the quiet. i told him not to worry | 11:17 |
| elky | topyli, Hmm, maybe we should indulge him in an upgrade? | 11:17 |
| topyli | (assumed there was no imminent danger of you doing so) | 11:17 |
| elky | popey, he's been known to in the past, yeah. | 11:17 |
| elky | It wouldn't surprise me if he's in /that/ channel either. | 11:18 |
| popey | this went to the CC because people complained that the atmosphere in -users was going down the pan | 11:18 |
| ikonia | popey: I agree | 11:18 |
| ikonia | elky: he's not | 11:18 |
| elky | Dear deity, who is taking a dump on the international links out of .au? | 11:19 |
| topyli | elky: agreed, let's change it to a simple ban, easier for everybody | 11:19 |
| jussi | I like it when Qt gets a good word put in! :D http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2010/10/20/ubuntu-and-qt/ | 11:28 |
| persia | I'd like to advocate general use of +q. It's less disruptive to have folks /msg folks in realtime than based on log polling. | 11:31 |
| persia | Unless there are complaints about someone, in which case it makes more sense. | 11:31 |
| elky | It's a good diffuser, yes | 11:32 |
| elky | especially when the ears get plugged for a lalalalala session, or the start /ignoring | 11:33 |
| persia | And many of the more annoying folk who just lack self control will be relatively happy with +1 but whine about +b | 11:33 |
| jussi | persia: big plus one from me on that, we have talked about it within the ircc, and had planned to send a mail to the list | 11:33 |
| elky | I'd like to see us utilise 15 second channel mutes in offtopic when things get stupid there too. | 11:34 |
| jussi | so yes, please use +q a lot more, its a very good option for a lot of things | 11:34 |
| jussi | got to run... laters | 11:35 |
| persia | elky, That's an interesting idea. Just +m for a bit and explain that it's too noisy, and then -m again? | 11:35 |
| elky | persia, +m until they realise that they're being looked at sternly. some of them are good at ignoring ops | 11:36 |
| elky | so we can be screaming stop for ages and they'll happily not notice. +m stops both sides simultaneously - no favouritism | 11:37 |
| persia | I suspect my channels tend to be less disruptive, but I think I'll start using that once in a while. | 11:37 |
| elky | esp. if we come in half way and there's a few mins of fast scrolling to try digest | 11:37 |
| Tm_T | hi seeker | 11:38 |
| elky | mostly I like it because it's equal blame | 11:38 |
| seeker | Lo | 11:38 |
| persia | Indeed. The equal blame is nice. Also the "Hey, stupid, there might be consequences" bit is a little easier to get across. | 11:39 |
| Tm_T | seeker: you might like to identify yourself (; | 11:39 |
| elky | It would probably resolve things quickly with "hey now look what you did" to the actual guilty party | 11:39 |
| elky | As in the people who saw the whole thing will do that | 11:40 |
| elky | I wouldn't recommend it for #u, but -offtopic definitely | 11:40 |
| Tm_T | yup | 11:40 |
| elky | Tm_T, it's him, he's hand-tied at the moment | 11:41 |
| Tm_T | ah, didn't doubt it actually, just that if he wasn't aware of his unidentification | 11:41 |
| seeker | Phone Irc client + forgotten password = not identified | 11:42 |
| seeker | Will sort it out when not at work | 11:43 |
| * Tm_T huggles seeker | 11:43 | |
| persia | elky, Indeed, for #ubuntu +m is just too dangerous, as it's always high-paced multithreaded goodness, even when there is a problem. | 11:43 |
| elky | persia, yeah, it's a completely different dynamic. making newbies feel banned for asking questions isn't going to end happy | 11:44 |
| Tm_T | ye | 11:45 |
| persia | Just to confirm, if I +m somewhere, I still get to see what people try to say, right? | 11:45 |
| Tm_T | it's rarely useful to +m #u anyway | 11:45 |
| elky | persia, if you stay opped up yes | 11:45 |
| persia | Tm_T, I'd say never :) | 11:46 |
| elky | It'd start a panic before it solved anything | 11:46 |
| persia | elky, Cool. 95% of the time all my channels work with me just asking people to calm, but it helps to know the tools for that other day and a half a month. | 11:46 |
| Tm_T | persia: there has been few occasions when it has been necessary for a very short time | 11:47 |
| persia | I'm surprised, but I believe it. | 11:47 |
| elky | You can pretty much calibrate your full moon detector by that day and a half. | 11:47 |
| seeker | The floodbots seem capable of handling major spamming now | 11:47 |
| persia | heh | 11:48 |
| elky | I can't see any IRCC comment on the +m option for -ot | 11:49 |
| Tm_T | means they're not disagreeing (;) | 11:52 |
| elky | Which doesn't mean they do, though. | 11:52 |
| elky | er, i mean do agree | 11:52 |
| Tm_T | I know | 11:52 |
| persia | The IRCC member that was around just ran off though, so we may have a while to wait. | 11:53 |
| topyli | a very short +m on -ot doesn't hurt the channel's productivity while you explain that the discussion that was just going on is not welcome | 11:56 |
| Tm_T | yup | 11:57 |
| Tm_T | but this ofcourse after less harsh measures have failed | 11:57 |
| topyli | then remove the +m and start making sure that the consequences are real for those who continue | 11:57 |
| topyli | tm_T: this would very rarely be necessary | 11:58 |
| Tm_T | sure | 11:58 |
| topyli | i'm rather proud for having used "productivity" and "#ubuntu-offtopic" in the same sentence now | 11:59 |
| elky | I'm rather confused by it. | 12:00 |
| elky | topyli, where rarely is probably once a month. | 12:01 |
| topyli | perhaps | 12:02 |
| elky | Probably less now that spaceghost isn't there. | 12:03 |
| elky | topyli, also, since he's not going to be coming here any time soon to discuss it, a memo to him from ircc explaining might be worthwhile. just because he's a rude sod doesn't mean we should be too :) | 12:04 |
| ikonia | could someone explain why +q is better than +b | 12:05 |
| elky | it gives them a chance to cool down and is less likely to result in an unproductive storming off. | 12:06 |
| elky | it gives the message that you want them to shut up, not necessarily go away. | 12:07 |
| ikonia | in terms of functionality | 12:07 |
| ikonia | why is +q better than +b | 12:07 |
| elky | because if they do storm off, they can come back. | 12:07 |
| bazhang | less full ban list | 12:08 |
| elky | and rather than just get a brick wall, they get in and have a chance to look around and /then/ figure out they're still reprimanded | 12:08 |
| persia | I like it because sometimes folks are fine to read stuff, but just need a bit more control over themselves. +q can help. | 12:09 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, Aemaeth said: wcc is unable to speak, but if it speaks, please disregard it | 12:09 |
| persia | +b makes them feel rejected, rather than part of the environment, but being punished | 12:09 |
| elky | persia, yep, especially in #u | 12:09 |
| elky | cutting people off often sabotages the negotiation process | 12:09 |
| elky | and sometimes getting to see others thank the ops (although discouraged!) drives the message home that it's not just a personal thing with the op, it's other channel users too | 12:11 |
| elky | It's mostly psychological. | 12:12 |
| elky | ikonia, does that make sense at all? | 12:13 |
| ikonia | sorry, had to step away | 12:23 |
| ikonia | just got back | 12:23 |
| ikonia | elky: I see what your suggesting | 12:24 |
| elky | I often go to +q in ubuntu but get beaten by a boot | 12:26 |
| * elky shrugs | 12:26 | |
| ikonia | guilty | 12:27 |
| elky | If they don't look like they have actual interest in being there, +b. If they're asking or answering and have refused a "please stop that", then +q is worthwhile trying. | 12:27 |
| persia | temporary +q is also useful for folks that are useful to have in-channel some times of day, and less useful others. Some of them may even thank you later. | 12:47 |
| nhandler | On that note, +q is also nice to pair with a PM conversation with the user. It seems most OPs are forgetting that a casual PM to the user should be the first step, not bringing them in here in front of all the OPs. | 12:48 |
| bazhang | I do that all the time. | 12:49 |
| elky | I find a PM conversation is a bit rude since I often step in while at work. | 12:54 |
| elky | Asking people to a pm conversation I can't necessarily maintain isn't productive | 12:55 |
| ikonia | nhandler: no-one is forgetting a casual PM can work, but a lot of the time, PM'ing the users causes them to blow up and then it gets into a "he said/she said" | 12:59 |
| ikonia | we have this channel for a reason so it's transparant and logged | 12:59 |
| ikonia | a pm is neither | 12:59 |
| elky | Classic. So. 4 days before UDS, we have to change all the names of the blueprints. This means that all prior email correspondence about said blueprints is now void. The cleverness, it burns. | 13:01 |
| ikonia | why ? | 13:01 |
| elky | Do you have a list of stupid answers I could randomly pick from? | 13:02 |
| jussi | elky: hrm? | 13:02 |
| elky | jussi, all blueprints must now start with ubuntutheproject- | 13:02 |
| jussi | elky: I thought jorge gave directions weeks ago about changuing that... | 13:03 |
| jussi | yes, he did... | 13:03 |
| jussi | I have email | 13:03 |
| elky | jussi, I never saw it. | 13:03 |
| elky | I'm only being told now. | 13:03 |
| jussi | heh | 13:03 |
| jussi | lemme see which list you needed to be on... | 13:04 |
| jussi | this thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-October/031765.html | 13:05 |
| jussi | ubuntu devel list | 13:05 |
| Tm_T | I wonder why such mail is sent only to there | 13:07 |
| elky | I've never subscribed to it, and I really don't intend to now. | 13:07 |
| elky | the funny thing is, I'd already renamed this once, "weeks ago" | 13:07 |
| jussi | youll have to tackle jorge about why it is only sent there | 13:08 |
| elky | That's probably the last question I'd ask, actually. First being "Are you ok, is this stuff hurting your head yet?" | 13:10 |
| persia | It's sent there under the assumption that "Developer" in UDS means ubuntu-devel folk. | 13:11 |
| persia | Not correct, but that's why. | 13:11 |
| jussi | persia: yeah, I can see why the assumption was made. | 13:12 |
| persia | The naming is just a set of broken workarounds because nobody feels like making blueprints.launchpad.net work or making everyone register everything both on LP and in summit.ubuntu.com | 13:12 |
| elky | Ah | 13:13 |
| * elky headdesks. | 13:14 | |
| Pici | Ah, the old 'Blame LP' routine :P | 13:14 |
| persia | Pici, No, really, even the LP folks agree. | 13:16 |
| persia | Three issues: 1) the concept of "track" is unknown to LP. 2) the export tool has weird and specific requirements. 3) LP has only weak ways to find blueprints for a given cycle. | 13:16 |
| * Mamarok is not an ubuntu dev and has no reason to read that devel list | 13:17 | |
| persia | the "team" part of the naming convention is for the workitems tracker, rather than summit, but there are still a number of schools of thought about how that ought work (and a session at UDS this time about how to make project management with LP sane) | 13:17 |
| Tm_T | Mamarok: every Kubuntu devel is Ubuntu devel too IMO, although expecting everyone to follow that mailinglist isn't reasonable | 13:18 |
| Mamarok | Tm_T: I am not a kubuntu-devel either, I do a lot of other things in Kubuntu, though, so still no reason | 13:18 |
| Tm_T | yup | 13:19 |
| Mamarok | crossposting to kubuntu-devel would be OK, though, I read that list :) | 13:19 |
| elky | there really ought to be a UDS list. | 13:19 |
| elky | if there is and I missed the memo, feel free to laugh at me | 13:20 |
| jussi | YAML... | 13:20 |
| persia | There isn't. | 13:20 |
| jussi | persia: what no one told you about the secret UDS list? :D :P | 13:20 |
| persia | I don't think we need a UDS list: I think that if it's not going to be a Developer summit (and clearly there are several folks here who don't identify with "Developer"), it makes sense to have another name. | 13:21 |
| persia | jussi, I may not read email, but I do tend to have a good idea of most of the secret lists :p | 13:21 |
| Mamarok | how about an announce list or some such? | 13:21 |
| jussi | persia: I disagree, I think it is a developer summit. just some of us dont develop software, but community | 13:21 |
| jussi | Mamarok: there is one of those | 13:22 |
| Mamarok | jussi: called ubuntu-devel-announce.... | 13:22 |
| elky | jussi, I used pretty much those same words for the first UDS I went to | 13:22 |
| jussi | hehe | 13:22 |
| Mamarok | so how about a community mailing list? | 13:22 |
| persia | jussi, Sure. I'm happy with that, as long as folks identify with that definition. It's just semantics, and we're stuck with either a promotional campaign *OR* prevelent cultural norms. | 13:23 |
| jpds | Hey guys. | 16:51 |
| jpds | Can someone -m #ubuntu-meeting please? | 16:52 |
| jpds | This is relevant to robbiew's interests. | 16:52 |
| Pici | Done :) | 16:52 |
| robbiew | Pici: thnx | 16:53 |
| jpds | So this ubuntu91human dude. | 17:19 |
| ikonia | yes ? | 17:26 |
| jpds | Like that. | 17:28 |
| ikonia | got it | 17:28 |
| Pici | Seriously? | 17:37 |
| ikonia | ? | 17:37 |
| Pici | 12:35:04 <Frots> hi, I've been trying the /disco command for the discolights in irssi but it doesnt seem to work | 17:37 |
| Pici | And then when I told him that we didn't appreciate that he got confused. | 17:38 |
| ikonia | a ha, I missed that | 17:38 |
| ikonia | I actually think that's a script | 17:39 |
| ikonia | I've seen someone else ask about something similar, ages ago | 17:39 |
| Pici | In most irc clients /disco is usually an alias to disconnect | 17:39 |
| ikonia | I wonder if the other guy was trying the same | 17:39 |
| Pici | Hes in #irssi now, waiting for him to ask | 17:41 |
| Tm_T | in irssi, /disco falls to /disconnect unless there's something set to that command | 17:53 |
| marienz | are you sure? the version I'm on here does generally run commands if you type the first few characters and it's not ambiguous | 18:16 |
| marienz | I've repeatedly accidentally /nick'd myself to something silly because I typoed my /nsi alias as /ni, and irssi decided I meant /nick | 18:17 |
| Tm_T | marienz: that's what I mean actually (: | 18:30 |
| marienz | oh, *falls* | 18:30 |
| marienz | sorry, I read that as "fails" :( | 18:31 |
| marienz | and no, my font isn't that terrible, I just wasn't paying enough attention | 18:31 |
| ikonia | hello | 18:57 |
| Pici | 'corntab' | 19:01 |
| ikonia | ? | 19:01 |
| ikonia | ahh | 19:01 |
| ikonia | I see it | 19:01 |
| Pici | I wish there was a plugin for irssi to turn im-speak to real english. | 19:10 |
| ikonia | I'll write one | 19:12 |
| guntbert | Hi, I'd like to discuss my suggestion from two days ago about the !webmin factoid | 19:59 |
| guntbert | !webmin is <sed> / See !ebox instead.// | 20:00 |
| ubottu | In #ubuntu-ops, guntbert said: !webmin is <sed> / See !ebox instead.// | 20:00 |
| Pici | hmm | 20:03 |
| Pici | Has anyone tested ebox 2.0? | 20:04 |
| guntbert | Pici: looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/eBox I see no "real" support here | 20:04 |
| guntbert | I tested ebox shortly on a VM, it wanted to use only its own config files | 20:04 |
| guntbert | so I'd say it is in no way equivalent to what webmin used to be | 20:05 |
| Pici | !webmin =~ s/ See !ebox instead.// | 20:06 |
| ubottu | I'll remember that Pici | 20:06 |
| Pici | I suppose if anyone has a good suggestion for an alternative they could suggest it. | 20:06 |
| ts2 | it's certainly not equivalent | 20:06 |
| Pici | I mean suggest it in real-time, rather than on a factoid, although that would be good too. | 20:06 |
| Pici | And ebox seems to have gone commercial anyway. It took me 5 minutes to find their .deb files on their site. | 20:07 |
| guntbert | Pici: my thoughts exactly, thx ... have a nice time ... bye | 20:07 |
| Pici | You too | 20:08 |
| ts2 | there is https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/ebox.html so i guess it's somewhat supported | 20:10 |
| ubottu | FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1643 users, 15 overflows, 1658 limit)) | 20:51 |
| ubottu | FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1643 users, 14 overflows, 1657 limit)) | 20:51 |
| ubottu | FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1633 users, 15 overflows, 1648 limit)) | 20:51 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1638 users, 14 overflows, 1652 limit)) | 20:51 |
| erUSUL | 21:51 < ONSIrmIKRpY> the nigger walks into a nigger and goes to the nigger, "nigger the nigger, nigger?" and the nigger niggers, "nigger, nigger na-nigger nigger." and so they both niggered. | 20:52 |
| IdleOne | erUSUL: yup | 20:52 |
| IdleOne | idoru killed | 20:53 |
| erUSUL | someone has said that twice already with different nicks. maybe the same host? | 20:53 |
| maco | nope | 20:53 |
| IdleOne | different host but they bots are getting smarter it seems | 20:54 |
| IdleOne | spam bots that is | 20:54 |
| erUSUL | "no one says it would be easy... noone said it would be that hard..." the life of a op ;P | 20:54 |
| erUSUL | cu | 20:54 |
| ubottu | In #ubuntu-offtopic, LjL said: !no offtopic is <reply> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too, and see !channels for other topical channels). Thanks! | 21:25 |
| ikonia | Pici: re:ebox, what about puppet or landscape ? | 22:13 |
| ikonia | I have no idea why ubuntu pushed ebox when it's never worked since it was put in | 22:14 |
| ikonia | was SpaceGhostC2C changed to a ban in #ubuntu-offtopic | 22:50 |
| ikonia | removed him based on popey's comments earlier that a +q is not appropriate | 22:52 |
| SpaceGhostC2C | I was wondering about the validity of ikonia's kick. | 22:57 |
| SpaceGhostC2C | If I'm +q, what does it matter? | 22:57 |
| ikonia | SpaceGhostC2C: I've banned you based on a conversation between the ops earlier | 22:59 |
| jrib | SpaceGhostC2C: depends, maybe kick was a better response on second thought | 22:59 |
| SpaceGhostC2C | jrib: I thought that was the decision of the op who put the +q on me? | 22:59 |
| ikonia | not always | 22:59 |
| jrib | SpaceGhostC2C: ops mostly work as a team with communication, etc. | 23:00 |
| ikonia | SpaceGhostC2C: if after discussion it's better to return you to +q I'll be more than happy to do that | 23:00 |
| SpaceGhostC2C | also, the line that the op +q'd me for was telling the person who said "/me puts elky's boot up SpaceGhostC2C's arse" wasn't even brought up. | 23:00 |
| jrib | anyway, I know nothing about the matter so I'll let ikonia handle it | 23:00 |
| ikonia | SpaceGhostC2C: I'm not fully aware of the original incident, so I'm not disputing anything on that with you, | 23:01 |
| SpaceGhostC2C | ikonia: so where do you get the whole "You can't be trusted here" thing if you don't even know about the issue? | 23:01 |
| SpaceGhostC2C | I mean, why now? what got your nickers in a twist? | 23:01 |
| elky | We agreed to upgrade it to a ban, I just hadn't got around to doing the upgrading yet. | 23:01 |
| ikonia | SpaceGhostC2C: past behaviour and reputation within the ubuntu community, a discussion with other ops on this suggested this was a better option | 23:01 |
| SpaceGhostC2C | Ah. that might make more sense. | 23:01 |
| ikonia | elky: ahh perfect, thank you | 23:01 |
| elky | Now, i'm already late for work, so ciao. | 23:02 |
| SpaceGhostC2C | elky: Why exactly did you +q me on saying that I don't engage in any anal-related activity? | 23:02 |
| SpaceGhostC2C | with her specifically. | 23:02 |
| SpaceGhostC2C | "tapper: I don't engage in anal-related acts with elky, I might suggest you not say such things. Poor elky is likely to grow tired of your highlighting her. She already hates it when I do it. | 23:02 |
| SpaceGhostC2C | " | 23:03 |
| SpaceGhostC2C | And the relevant tapper line is, * tapper looks in his crystal ball and foresees elky's boot up SpaceGhostC2C 's behind | 23:03 |
| SpaceGhostC2C | I couldn't well say what I wanted to tell him, which was something along the lines of shut the hell up. | 23:04 |
| SpaceGhostC2C | Well, pretty ridiculous I might say. | 23:04 |
| elky | Because turning a warning of punishment in to a sexual euphemism is creepy. | 23:05 |
| SpaceGhostC2C | elky: It wasn't intended to be funny or disgusting. Maybe it'd be worth telling him to shut his <swear> face through pm instead? | 23:05 |
| elky | SpaceGhostC2C, maybe you've had like a million chances to learn how to behave like a decent person and haven't learned. | 23:06 |
| elky | Now, I really am late for work, so bye. | 23:06 |
| SpaceGhostC2C | That's fine. I just think you're ridiculous, at least as much as I am. :) | 23:07 |
| ubottu | FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 23:43 |
| ubottu | FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 23:43 |
| ubottu | FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 23:43 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) | 23:43 |
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