[01:00] <Amaranth> xmad is alright, just frustrated
[01:00] <Amaranth> I talked to him, told him he was free to join again
[01:00] <Amaranth> IdleOne: Did you talk to the other one or did the logs show that wasn't needed?
[01:01] <IdleOne> I didn't talk to him. I removed for sake of fairness
[01:01] <IdleOne> I understand how they are all frustrated
[01:02] <Amaranth> Can I kick Matr|x?
[01:02] <IdleOne> let's see if he keeps his word
[01:03] <IdleOne> He doesn't want to reinstall for fear of losing his data (understandable)
[01:03] <Amaranth> mash_ doesn't seem to have said anything except the lines that got him kicked
[01:03] <maco> but...reinstalling doesnt delete /home
[01:03] <maco> and ze should be backing that up anyway
[01:03] <IdleOne> maco: if you have a separate /home
[01:04] <maco> IdleOne: where've you been the last 3 years?
[01:04] <IdleOne> in any case matr|x insist on doing this the hard way
[01:04] <maco> if you have all one partition, too!
[01:04] <IdleOne> really?
[01:04] <maco> select to use the same partition, uncheck the format option, /home is saved
[01:04] <IdleOne> heh, learned me something today.
[01:18] <Amaranth> You know, I think that command may just work
[01:18] <maco> whichn?
[01:19] <elky> Can someone add that string to idoru for an hour or so?
[01:19] <maco> how we do that?
[01:19] <elky> I don't think we can, but it'd be terribly satisfying.
[01:25] <marienz> which string?
[01:25] <maco> marienz: "rm -rf /*"
[01:25] <marienz> hmmmmm
[01:25] <maco> (obv dont run it)
[01:26] <marienz> thanks for looking out, but I do run various linuxes myself, so yeah :)
[01:26] <maco> eh anyone reading logs later needs to see the warning too
[01:59] <KB1JWQ> maco: WHAT THE HELL DUDE!  I RAN THAT COMMAND AND IT ATE MY MACBOOK!!!1!
[01:59] <KB1JWQ> :-D
[01:59] <maco> i used to have it in my email signature
[01:59] <maco> one of my professors almost did it, but when his macbook asked him for his password he decided maybe he shouldnt
[02:01] <KB1JWQ> maco: You're kidding me.  Macs actually prompt for confirumation on that?
[02:01] <KB1JWQ> From terminal?
[02:01] <KB1JWQ> That's impressive.
[02:01] <KB1JWQ> (I'm sure as hell not going to test the theory until I'm on somoene else's)
[02:02] <maco> KB1JWQ: um...macs use sudo
[02:02] <maco> sudo asks for passwords by default...
[02:07] <jpds> KB1JWQ: s/MAC/FACE/ ?
[03:18] <h00k> bah, fail
[03:27] <tonyyarusso> !windows | h00k, this has it
[03:28] <h00k> tonyyarusso: thanks :p
[03:28] <h00k> tonyyarusso: it was a typo, anyway
[03:47] <h00k> #ubuntu sure is fun today.
[03:47] <Jordan_U> I suspect that lost_soul in #ubuntu is a troll.
[03:50] <h00k> yes
[04:01] <h00k> my /af wanted to op me in here, I think.
[04:02] <lost_soul> hmmmm
[04:02] <lost_soul> I would like to speak to h00k
[04:03] <lost_soul> he banned me from promper ##ubuntu
[04:03] <h00k> lost_soul: I had you forwarded here because of repeated messages to have you join the proper channel for the discussion.
[04:03] <maco> and you're not banned from the channel where your discussion would be appropriate anyway
[04:04] <lost_soul> I'm using ubuntu and I'm banned from there
[04:04] <lost_soul> am I not
[04:04] <lost_soul> I was merely asking questions
[04:04] <lost_soul> and stating what I had heard
[04:05] <maco> which were not on topic
[04:05] <lost_soul> btw, ty for speaking over here h00k
[04:05] <maco> you were told repeatedly that *only* tech support is on topic in #ubuntu (its not ##ubuntu, btw)
[04:05] <lost_soul> so I get banned?
[04:05] <lost_soul> seriously
[04:05] <h00k> And you were told the proper place for such discussion, #ubuntu-offtopic is the proper place for that, which is what you were told.
[04:05] <maco> for not following directions? yes
[04:06] <h00k> ubottu: tell lost_soul about topic
[04:06] <lost_soul> thankfully ubuntu isn't a real os so fuck it...  Debian kills em
[04:07] <lost_soul> ubuntu just rewrites code
[04:07] <h00k> lost_soul: With that attitude, I won't be removing your ban, either.
[04:07] <lost_soul> good
[04:07] <lost_soul> I don't need it with your attitude either
[04:07] <h00k> lost_soul: Please come back when you're ready to discuss proper behavior in a channel.
[04:08] <maco> lost_soul: please don't swear
[04:08] <maco> (upstart wasnt new code? this is news to me...)
[04:08] <h00k> lost_soul: please /part the channel and come back when you're ready to discuss proper etiquette regarding /topics in a channel, attitude, and language
[04:09] <h00k> see also, !coc Code of Conduct
[04:09] <lost_soul> I will say no more
[04:09] <h00k> ubottu: tell lost_soul about CoC
[04:09] <lost_soul> if you don't want me here...  boot me
[04:09] <lost_soul> knowing I've done nothing wrong
[04:09] <lost_soul> TRUTH
[04:10] <h00k> !op | lost_soul
[04:10] <lost_soul> I don't understand what that is
[04:11] <nhandler> lost_soul: Please part like you were requested to do.
[04:11] <lost_soul> If I'm requested to part just boot me, grow a set of fucking balls
[04:16] <h00k> I tried, anyway.
[05:29] <IdleOne> thank you KB1JWQ
[05:30] <KB1JWQ> No worries, he's a cross channel irritant today.
[05:30] <IdleOne> why not just get them off network?
[05:31] <KB1JWQ> He's evading something fierce; *.tmodns.net hits a couple dozen legitimate users.
[05:39] <IdleOne> uhg
[05:39] <IdleOne> ugh
[05:39] <IdleOne> guh
[05:39] <IdleOne> gonna be one of those nights
[05:40] <KB1JWQ> Might want to +q *!*@*tmodns.net if he comes back.
[05:40] <maco> is same person?
[05:40] <KB1JWQ> Yes.
[05:40] <maco> k
[05:40] <IdleOne> done
[05:56] <Jordan_U> Omanza is trolling in #ubuntu
[06:02] <elky> Did someone let a cage of skiddies loose?
[06:02] <h00k> yes
[06:02] <h00k> twice
[06:02] <elky> :(
[06:05] <Jordan_U> sabayonuser3 may also be a troll (he's certainly in the wrong channel)
[08:46] <ikonia> need to restart irssi, it's gone nuts
[09:10] <elky> Some people just cannot learn, can they.
[09:11] <topyli> not spaceghost anyway
[09:13] <ikonia> !staff | Guest679855 multiple channels autojoin spam links
[09:13] <CiphersSon> so i dont understand why im blocked from #ubuntu
[09:14] <CiphersSon> any one around help me get unbanded from #ubuntu
[09:15] <ikonia> CiphersSon: hang on
[09:15] <ikonia> @btlogin
[09:15] <CiphersSon> Ok thank you.
[09:17] <ikonia> CiphersSon: you told people to "stfu kids" or "shut the fuck up kids" in #ubuntu
[09:18] <CiphersSon> ?
[09:18] <ikonia> why is that a question ?
[09:18] <ikonia> you also posted a spam link
[09:18] <CiphersSon> I honestly dont rember doing that....
[09:18] <CiphersSon> when was this?
[09:19] <ikonia> 14/08/2010
[09:21] <ikonia> anything coming back
[09:21] <CiphersSon> I cant make heads or tells of it.
[09:21] <ikonia> the operator jpds banning you and removing you from the channel
[09:21] <CiphersSon> theres only two things that i think could have happened
[09:21] <ikonia> I bet I know one of them, but go on
[09:22] <CiphersSon> either i was completely hammered drunk or i my friend was because i let him use this computer some times and only this computer witch i call my "chat box"
[09:23] <ikonia> there we go, I knew it was going to be one of those two things
[09:23] <ikonia> CiphersSon: you are responsible for your own behaviour even when drunk, or for your friends computer using your machine, username and ip
[09:24] <ikonia> CiphersSon: go and talk to your friend and find out if he can make any sense of it
[09:24] <CiphersSon> Well is there any thing i can do. I apologize  if that meens anything.
[09:24] <ikonia> CiphersSon: take some time to speak to your friend to find out if it was him
[09:25] <ikonia> then come back and let us know
[09:25] <CiphersSon> Hes in nebraska
[09:25] <CiphersSon> im in kansas
[09:25] <persia> Apologies mostly only help for things one knows one did: if one doesn't have control over one's computer (friends use it, etc.), that tends to expect security precautions to be taken.
[09:25] <ikonia> CiphersSon: use emai/telephone/skype
[09:25] <ikonia> CiphersSon: let us know what you find out and we can look at the ban
[09:28] <ikonia> CiphersSon: you're welcome to re-join this channel when you have additional information, in the mean time we ask that you leave the channel until we can discuss your ban with you
[09:52] <jussi> oh dear... NOOOO! http://capslockday.com/
[09:53] <Gary> CAPSLOCK IS COOL
[09:53] <Tm_T> ...IT'S NOT THURSDAY ):
[09:54] <jussi> lol
[09:57] <persia> Tm_T, well be soon: only needs another hour in some places.
[09:58] <Gary> CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL!!!!111
[09:58]  * Gary hides
[09:59] <Flannel> Gary: BUT EVEN WITH CRUISE CONTROL, YOU STILL NEED TO STEER!
[09:59] <persia> Flannel, Depends where you are.
[10:12] <jussi> Flannel: welcome back, havent seen you around for a bit!
[10:13] <Flannel> jussi: I've been around, just wasn't doing much but reading backscroll for two weeks while I was away on business travel.
[10:14] <jussi> Flannel: ahh, business trips... yes, always fun
[10:15] <Gary> ikonia: can you pastebin the spam you reported earlier?
[10:26] <ikonia> Gary: http://pastebin.com/WyrBKnzD
[10:26] <ikonia> Gary: it changed (I joined a few times to test it) but it was that sort of thing
[10:26] <ikonia> mostly come from #drupal/#gentoo joins but did it when I joined #ubuntu and #mysql
 Hey, the +q is easily the best gift I could have ever asked for. Mind making a note not to remove it? Thanks.
[10:27] <elky> From the mouths of... I'm not really sure what.
[10:30] <ikonia> make a note of that atttiude for when he comes here asking for it to be removed
[10:31] <elky> It is what he requested, after all.
[10:37]  * popey notes that SpaceGhostC2C is one of a very small number of people who have been ejected from the ubuntu-users mailing list
[10:51] <ikonia> worth noting
[11:14] <elky> popey, he is?
[11:14] <popey> yup
[11:15] <elky> I don't think I'll be unquieting him for a while then.
[11:15] <elky> Some time to think will do him good.
[11:16] <Tm_T> that nick does ring a bell
[11:16] <popey> not convinced +q is the right way forward tbh
[11:16] <popey> he was moderated on -users, but continued to get the mail and replied to people offlist
[11:17] <popey> which I guess he'll still do on irc, by PMing people
[11:17] <topyli> elky: he also rejoiced to me in pm and asked me if i can talk to you to not remove the quiet. i told him not to worry
[11:17] <elky> topyli, Hmm, maybe we should indulge him in an upgrade?
[11:17] <topyli> (assumed there was no imminent danger of you doing so)
[11:17] <elky> popey, he's been known to in the past, yeah.
[11:18] <elky> It wouldn't surprise me if he's in /that/ channel either.
[11:18] <popey> this went to the CC because people complained that the atmosphere in -users was going down the pan
[11:18] <ikonia> popey: I agree
[11:18] <ikonia> elky: he's not
[11:19] <elky> Dear deity, who is taking a dump on the international links out of .au?
[11:19] <topyli> elky: agreed, let's change it to a simple ban, easier for everybody
[11:28] <jussi> I like it when Qt gets a good word put in! :D http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2010/10/20/ubuntu-and-qt/
[11:31] <persia> I'd like to advocate general use of +q.  It's less disruptive to have folks /msg folks in realtime than based on log polling.
[11:31] <persia> Unless there are complaints about someone, in which case it makes more sense.
[11:32] <elky> It's a good diffuser, yes
[11:33] <elky> especially when the ears get plugged for a lalalalala session, or the start /ignoring
[11:33] <persia> And many of the more annoying folk who just lack self control will be relatively happy with +1 but whine about +b
[11:33] <jussi> persia: big plus one from me on that, we have talked about it within the ircc, and had planned to send a mail to the list
[11:34] <elky> I'd like to see us utilise 15 second channel mutes in offtopic when things get stupid there too.
[11:34] <jussi> so yes, please use +q a lot more, its a very good option for a lot of things
[11:35] <jussi> got to run... laters
[11:35] <persia> elky, That's an interesting idea.  Just +m for a bit and explain that it's too noisy, and then -m again?
[11:36] <elky> persia, +m until they realise that they're being looked at sternly. some of them are good at ignoring ops
[11:37] <elky> so we can be screaming stop for ages and they'll happily not notice. +m stops both sides simultaneously - no favouritism
[11:37] <persia> I suspect my channels tend to be less disruptive, but I think I'll start using that once in a while.
[11:37] <elky> esp. if we come in half way and there's a few mins of fast scrolling to try digest
[11:38] <Tm_T> hi seeker
[11:38] <elky> mostly I like it because it's equal blame
[11:38] <seeker> Lo
[11:39] <persia> Indeed.  The equal blame is nice.  Also the "Hey, stupid, there might be consequences" bit is a little easier to get across.
[11:39] <Tm_T> seeker: you might like to identify yourself (;
[11:39] <elky> It would probably resolve things quickly with "hey now look what you did" to the actual guilty party
[11:40] <elky> As in the people who saw the whole thing will do that
[11:40] <elky> I wouldn't recommend it for #u, but -offtopic definitely
[11:40] <Tm_T> yup
[11:41] <elky> Tm_T, it's him, he's hand-tied at the moment
[11:41] <Tm_T> ah, didn't doubt it actually, just that if he wasn't aware of his unidentification
[11:42] <seeker> Phone Irc client + forgotten password = not identified
[11:43] <seeker> Will sort it out when not at work
[11:43]  * Tm_T huggles seeker
[11:43] <persia> elky, Indeed, for #ubuntu +m is just too dangerous, as it's always high-paced multithreaded goodness, even when there is a problem.
[11:44] <elky> persia, yeah, it's a completely different dynamic. making newbies feel banned for asking questions isn't going to end happy
[11:45] <Tm_T> ye
[11:45] <persia> Just to confirm, if I +m somewhere, I still get to see what people try to say, right?
[11:45] <Tm_T> it's rarely useful to +m #u anyway
[11:45] <elky> persia, if you stay opped up yes
[11:46] <persia> Tm_T, I'd say never :)
[11:46] <elky> It'd start a panic before it solved anything
[11:46] <persia> elky, Cool.  95% of the time all my channels work with me just asking people to calm, but it helps to know the tools for that other day and a half a month.
[11:47] <Tm_T> persia: there has been few occasions when it has been necessary for a very short time
[11:47] <persia> I'm surprised, but I believe it.
[11:47] <elky> You can pretty much calibrate your full moon detector by that day and a half.
[11:47] <seeker> The floodbots seem capable of handling major spamming now
[11:48] <persia> heh
[11:49] <elky> I can't see any IRCC comment on the +m option for -ot
[11:52] <Tm_T> means they're not disagreeing (;)
[11:52] <elky> Which doesn't mean they do, though.
[11:52] <elky> er, i mean do agree
[11:52] <Tm_T> I know
[11:53] <persia> The IRCC member that was around just ran off though, so we may have a while to wait.
[11:56] <topyli> a very short +m on -ot doesn't hurt the channel's productivity while you explain that the discussion that was just going on is not welcome
[11:57] <Tm_T> yup
[11:57] <Tm_T> but this ofcourse after less harsh measures have failed
[11:57] <topyli> then remove the +m and start making sure that the consequences are real for those who continue
[11:58] <topyli> tm_T: this would very rarely be necessary
[11:58] <Tm_T> sure
[11:59] <topyli> i'm rather proud for having used "productivity" and "#ubuntu-offtopic" in the same sentence now
[12:00] <elky> I'm rather confused by it.
[12:01] <elky> topyli, where rarely is probably once a month.
[12:02] <topyli> perhaps
[12:03] <elky> Probably less now that spaceghost isn't there.
[12:04] <elky> topyli, also, since he's not going to be coming here any time soon to discuss it, a memo to him from ircc explaining might be worthwhile. just because he's a rude sod doesn't mean we should be too :)
[12:05] <ikonia> could someone explain why +q is better than +b
[12:06] <elky> it gives them a chance to cool down and is less likely to result in an unproductive storming off.
[12:07] <elky> it gives the message that you want them to shut up, not necessarily go away.
[12:07] <ikonia> in terms of functionality
[12:07] <ikonia> why is +q better than +b
[12:07] <elky> because if they do storm off, they can come back.
[12:08] <bazhang> less full ban list
[12:08] <elky> and rather than just get a brick wall, they get in and have a chance to look around and /then/ figure out they're still reprimanded
[12:09] <persia> I like it because sometimes folks are fine to read stuff, but just need a bit more control over themselves.  +q can help.
[12:09] <persia> +b makes them feel rejected, rather than part of the environment, but being punished
[12:09] <elky> persia, yep, especially in #u
[12:09] <elky> cutting people off often sabotages the negotiation process
[12:11] <elky> and sometimes getting to see others thank the ops (although discouraged!) drives the message home that it's not just a personal thing with the op, it's other channel users too
[12:12] <elky> It's mostly psychological.
[12:13] <elky> ikonia, does that make sense at all?
[12:23] <ikonia> sorry, had to step away
[12:23] <ikonia> just got back
[12:24] <ikonia> elky: I see what your suggesting
[12:26] <elky> I often go to +q in ubuntu but get beaten by a boot
[12:26]  * elky shrugs
[12:27] <ikonia> guilty
[12:27] <elky> If they don't look like they have actual interest in being there, +b. If they're asking or answering and have refused a "please stop that", then +q is worthwhile trying.
[12:47] <persia> temporary +q is also useful for folks that are useful to have in-channel some times of day, and less useful others.  Some of them may even thank you later.
[12:48] <nhandler> On that note, +q is also nice to pair with a PM conversation with the user. It seems most OPs are forgetting that a casual PM to the user should be the first step, not bringing them in here in front of all the OPs.
[12:49] <bazhang> I do that all the time.
[12:54] <elky> I find a PM conversation is a bit rude since I often step in while at work.
[12:55] <elky> Asking people to a pm conversation I can't necessarily maintain isn't productive
[12:59] <ikonia> nhandler: no-one is forgetting a casual PM can work, but a lot of the time, PM'ing the users causes them to blow up and then it gets into a "he said/she said"
[12:59] <ikonia> we have this channel for a reason so it's transparant and logged
[12:59] <ikonia> a pm is neither
[13:01] <elky> Classic. So. 4 days before UDS, we have to change all the names of the blueprints. This means that all prior email correspondence about said blueprints is now void. The cleverness, it burns.
[13:01] <ikonia> why ?
[13:02] <elky> Do you have a list of stupid answers I could randomly pick from?
[13:02] <jussi> elky: hrm?
[13:02] <elky> jussi, all blueprints must now start with ubuntutheproject-
[13:03] <jussi> elky: I thought jorge gave directions weeks ago about changuing that...
[13:03] <jussi> yes, he did...
[13:03] <jussi> I have email
[13:03] <elky> jussi, I never saw it.
[13:03] <elky> I'm only being told now.
[13:03] <jussi> heh
[13:04] <jussi> lemme see which list you needed to be on...
[13:05] <jussi> this thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-October/031765.html
[13:05] <jussi> ubuntu devel list
[13:07] <Tm_T> I wonder why such mail is sent only to there
[13:07] <elky> I've never subscribed to it, and I really don't intend to now.
[13:07] <elky> the funny thing is, I'd already renamed this once, "weeks ago"
[13:08] <jussi> youll have to tackle jorge about why it is only sent there
[13:10] <elky> That's probably the last question I'd ask, actually. First being "Are you ok, is this stuff hurting your head yet?"
[13:11] <persia> It's sent there under the assumption that "Developer" in UDS means ubuntu-devel folk.
[13:11] <persia> Not correct, but that's why.
[13:12] <jussi> persia: yeah, I can see why the assumption was made.
[13:12] <persia> The naming is just a set of broken workarounds because nobody feels like making blueprints.launchpad.net work or making everyone register everything both on LP and in summit.ubuntu.com
[13:13] <elky> Ah
[13:14]  * elky headdesks.
[13:14] <Pici> Ah, the old 'Blame LP' routine :P
[13:16] <persia> Pici, No, really, even the LP folks agree.
[13:16] <persia> Three issues: 1) the concept of "track" is unknown to LP.  2) the export tool has weird and specific requirements.  3) LP has only weak ways to find blueprints for a given cycle.
[13:17]  * Mamarok is not an ubuntu dev and has no reason to read that devel list
[13:17] <persia> the "team" part of the naming convention is for the workitems tracker, rather than summit, but there are still a number of schools of thought about how that ought work (and a session at UDS this time about how to make project management with LP sane)
[13:18] <Tm_T> Mamarok: every Kubuntu devel is Ubuntu devel too IMO, although expecting everyone to follow that mailinglist isn't reasonable
[13:18] <Mamarok> Tm_T: I am not a kubuntu-devel either, I do a lot of other things in Kubuntu, though, so still no reason
[13:19] <Tm_T> yup
[13:19] <Mamarok> crossposting to kubuntu-devel would be OK, though, I read that list :)
[13:19] <elky> there really ought to be a UDS list.
[13:20] <elky> if there is and I missed the memo, feel free to laugh at me
[13:20] <jussi> YAML...
[13:20] <persia> There isn't.
[13:20] <jussi> persia: what no one told you about the secret UDS list? :D :P
[13:21] <persia> I don't think we need a UDS list: I think that if it's not going to be a Developer summit (and clearly there are several folks here who don't identify with "Developer"), it makes sense to have another name.
[13:21] <persia> jussi, I may not read email, but I do tend to have a good idea of most of the secret lists :p
[13:21] <Mamarok> how about an announce list or some such?
[13:21] <jussi> persia: I disagree, I think it is a developer summit. just some of us dont develop software, but community
[13:22] <jussi> Mamarok: there is one of those
[13:22] <Mamarok> jussi: called ubuntu-devel-announce....
[13:22] <elky> jussi, I used pretty much those same words for the first UDS I went to
[13:22] <jussi> hehe
[13:22] <Mamarok> so how about a community mailing list?
[13:23] <persia> jussi, Sure.  I'm happy with that, as long as folks identify with that definition.  It's just semantics, and we're stuck with either a promotional campaign *OR* prevelent cultural norms.
[16:51] <jpds> Hey guys.
[16:52] <jpds> Can someone -m #ubuntu-meeting please?
[16:52] <jpds> This is relevant to robbiew's interests.
[16:52] <Pici> Done :)
[16:53] <robbiew> Pici: thnx
[17:19] <jpds> So this ubuntu91human dude.
[17:26] <ikonia> yes ?
[17:28] <jpds> Like that.
[17:28] <ikonia> got it
[17:37] <Pici> Seriously?
[17:37] <ikonia> ?
[17:37] <Pici> 12:35:04 <Frots> hi, I've been trying the /disco command for the discolights in irssi but it doesnt seem to work
[17:38] <Pici> And then when I told him that we didn't appreciate that he got confused.
[17:38] <ikonia> a ha, I missed that
[17:39] <ikonia> I actually think that's a script
[17:39] <ikonia> I've seen someone else ask about something similar, ages ago
[17:39] <Pici> In most irc clients /disco is usually an alias to disconnect
[17:39] <ikonia> I wonder if the other guy was trying the same
[17:41] <Pici> Hes in #irssi now, waiting for him to ask
[17:53] <Tm_T> in irssi, /disco falls to /disconnect unless there's something set to that command
[18:16] <marienz> are you sure? the version I'm on here does generally run commands if you type the first few characters and it's not ambiguous
[18:17] <marienz> I've repeatedly accidentally /nick'd myself to something silly because I typoed my /nsi alias as /ni, and irssi decided I meant /nick
[18:30] <Tm_T> marienz: that's what I mean actually (:
[18:30] <marienz> oh, *falls*
[18:31] <marienz> sorry, I read that as "fails" :(
[18:31] <marienz> and no, my font isn't that terrible, I just wasn't paying enough attention
[18:57] <ikonia> hello
[19:01] <Pici> 'corntab'
[19:01] <ikonia> ?
[19:01] <ikonia> ahh
[19:01] <ikonia> I see it
[19:10] <Pici> I wish there was a plugin for irssi to turn im-speak to real english.
[19:12] <ikonia> I'll write one
[19:59] <guntbert> Hi, I'd like to discuss my suggestion from two days ago about the !webmin factoid
[20:00] <guntbert> !webmin is <sed> / See !ebox instead.//
[20:03] <Pici> hmm
[20:04] <Pici> Has anyone tested ebox 2.0?
[20:04] <guntbert> Pici: looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/eBox I see no "real" support here
[20:04] <guntbert> I tested ebox shortly on a VM, it wanted to use only its own config files
[20:05] <guntbert> so I'd say it is in no way equivalent to what webmin used to be
[20:06] <Pici> !webmin =~ s/ See !ebox instead.//
[20:06] <Pici> I suppose if anyone has a good suggestion for an alternative they could suggest it.
[20:06] <ts2> it's certainly not equivalent
[20:06] <Pici> I mean suggest it in real-time, rather than on a factoid, although that would be good too.
[20:07] <Pici> And ebox seems to have gone commercial anyway.  It took me 5 minutes to find their .deb files on their site.
[20:07] <guntbert> Pici: my thoughts exactly, thx ...  have a nice time ... bye
[20:08] <Pici> You too
[20:10] <ts2> there is https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/ebox.html so i guess it's somewhat supported
[20:52] <erUSUL> 21:51 < ONSIrmIKRpY> the nigger walks into a nigger and goes to the nigger, "nigger the nigger, nigger?" and the nigger niggers, "nigger,  nigger na-nigger nigger." and so they both niggered.
[20:52] <IdleOne> erUSUL: yup
[20:53] <IdleOne> idoru killed
[20:53] <erUSUL> someone has said that twice already with different nicks. maybe the same host?
[20:53] <maco> nope
[20:54] <IdleOne> different host but they bots are getting smarter it seems
[20:54] <IdleOne> spam bots that is
[20:54] <erUSUL> "no one says it would be easy... noone said it would be that hard..." the life of a op ;P
[20:54] <erUSUL> cu
[22:13] <ikonia> Pici: re:ebox, what about puppet or landscape ?
[22:14] <ikonia> I have no idea why ubuntu pushed ebox when it's never worked since it was put in
[22:50] <ikonia> was SpaceGhostC2C changed to a ban in #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:52] <ikonia> removed him based on popey's comments earlier that a +q is not appropriate
[22:57] <SpaceGhostC2C> I was wondering about the validity of ikonia's kick.
[22:57] <SpaceGhostC2C> If I'm +q, what does it matter?
[22:59] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: I've banned you based on a conversation between the ops earlier
[22:59] <jrib> SpaceGhostC2C: depends, maybe kick was a better response on second thought
[22:59] <SpaceGhostC2C> jrib: I thought that was the decision of the op who put the +q on me?
[22:59] <ikonia> not always
[23:00] <jrib> SpaceGhostC2C: ops mostly work as a team with communication, etc.
[23:00] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: if after discussion it's better to return you to +q I'll be more than happy to do that
[23:00] <SpaceGhostC2C> also, the line that the op +q'd me for was telling the person who said "/me puts elky's boot up SpaceGhostC2C's arse" wasn't even brought up.
[23:00] <jrib> anyway, I know nothing about the matter so I'll let ikonia handle it
[23:01] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: I'm not fully aware of the original incident, so I'm not disputing anything on that with you,
[23:01] <SpaceGhostC2C> ikonia: so where do you get the whole "You can't be trusted here" thing if you don't even know about the issue?
[23:01] <SpaceGhostC2C> I mean, why now? what got your nickers in a twist?
[23:01] <elky> We agreed to upgrade it to a ban, I just hadn't got around to doing the upgrading yet.
[23:01] <ikonia> SpaceGhostC2C: past behaviour and reputation within the ubuntu community, a discussion with other ops on this suggested this was a better option
[23:01] <SpaceGhostC2C> Ah. that might make more sense.
[23:01] <ikonia> elky: ahh perfect, thank you
[23:02] <elky> Now, i'm already late for work, so ciao.
[23:02] <SpaceGhostC2C> elky: Why exactly did you +q me on saying that I don't engage in any anal-related activity?
[23:02] <SpaceGhostC2C> with her specifically.
[23:02] <SpaceGhostC2C> "tapper: I don't engage in anal-related acts with elky, I might suggest you not say such things. Poor elky is likely to grow tired of your highlighting her. She already hates it when I do it.
[23:03] <SpaceGhostC2C> "
[23:03] <SpaceGhostC2C> And the relevant tapper line is, * tapper looks in his crystal ball and foresees elky's boot up SpaceGhostC2C 's behind
[23:04] <SpaceGhostC2C> I couldn't well say what I wanted to tell him, which was something along the lines of shut the hell up.
[23:04] <SpaceGhostC2C> Well, pretty ridiculous I might say.
[23:05] <elky> Because turning a warning of punishment in to a sexual euphemism is creepy.
[23:05] <SpaceGhostC2C> elky: It wasn't intended to be funny or disgusting. Maybe it'd be worth telling him to shut his <swear> face through pm instead?
[23:06] <elky> SpaceGhostC2C, maybe you've had like a million chances to learn how to behave like a decent person and haven't learned.
[23:06] <elky> Now, I really am late for work, so bye.
[23:07] <SpaceGhostC2C> That's fine. I just think you're ridiculous, at least as much as I am. :)