[00:53] Jordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu (xmad) [00:53] LjL called the ops in #ubuntu (nonsense has to stop) [01:00] xmad is alright, just frustrated [01:00] I talked to him, told him he was free to join again [01:00] IdleOne: Did you talk to the other one or did the logs show that wasn't needed? [01:01] I didn't talk to him. I removed for sake of fairness [01:01] I understand how they are all frustrated [01:02] Can I kick Matr|x? [01:02] let's see if he keeps his word [01:03] He doesn't want to reinstall for fear of losing his data (understandable) [01:03] mash_ doesn't seem to have said anything except the lines that got him kicked [01:03] but...reinstalling doesnt delete /home [01:03] and ze should be backing that up anyway [01:03] maco: if you have a separate /home [01:04] IdleOne: where've you been the last 3 years? [01:04] in any case matr|x insist on doing this the hard way [01:04] if you have all one partition, too! [01:04] really? [01:04] select to use the same partition, uncheck the format option, /home is saved [01:04] heh, learned me something today. [01:17] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from Matr|x) [01:17] bastid_raZor called the ops in #ubuntu () [01:18] You know, I think that command may just work [01:18] whichn? [01:19] Can someone add that string to idoru for an hour or so? [01:19] how we do that? [01:19] I don't think we can, but it'd be terribly satisfying. [01:25] which string? [01:25] marienz: "rm -rf /*" [01:25] hmmmmm [01:25] (obv dont run it) [01:26] thanks for looking out, but I do run various linuxes myself, so yeah :) [01:26] eh anyone reading logs later needs to see the warning too [01:59] maco: WHAT THE HELL DUDE! I RAN THAT COMMAND AND IT ATE MY MACBOOK!!!1! [01:59] :-D [01:59] i used to have it in my email signature [01:59] one of my professors almost did it, but when his macbook asked him for his password he decided maybe he shouldnt [02:01] maco: You're kidding me. Macs actually prompt for confirumation on that? [02:01] From terminal? [02:01] That's impressive. [02:01] (I'm sure as hell not going to test the theory until I'm on somoene else's) [02:02] KB1JWQ: um...macs use sudo [02:02] sudo asks for passwords by default... [02:07] KB1JWQ: s/MAC/FACE/ ? === jussi01_ is now known as Guest48460 [03:18] In ubottu, h00k said: !linux is not windows [03:18] bah, fail [03:27] !windows | h00k, this has it [03:27] h00k, this has it: For discussion on Microsoft software, or help with same, please visit ##windows. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and /msg ubottu equivalents [03:28] tonyyarusso: thanks :p [03:28] tonyyarusso: it was a typo, anyway [03:47] #ubuntu sure is fun today. [03:47] I suspect that lost_soul in #ubuntu is a troll. [03:50] yes [04:01] my /af wanted to op me in here, I think. [04:02] hmmmm [04:02] I would like to speak to h00k [04:03] he banned me from promper ##ubuntu [04:03] lost_soul: I had you forwarded here because of repeated messages to have you join the proper channel for the discussion. [04:03] and you're not banned from the channel where your discussion would be appropriate anyway [04:04] I'm using ubuntu and I'm banned from there [04:04] am I not [04:04] I was merely asking questions [04:04] and stating what I had heard [04:05] which were not on topic [04:05] btw, ty for speaking over here h00k [04:05] you were told repeatedly that *only* tech support is on topic in #ubuntu (its not ##ubuntu, btw) [04:05] so I get banned? [04:05] seriously [04:05] And you were told the proper place for such discussion, #ubuntu-offtopic is the proper place for that, which is what you were told. [04:05] for not following directions? yes [04:06] ubottu: tell lost_soul about topic [04:06] lost_soul, please see my private message [04:06] thankfully ubuntu isn't a real os so fuck it... Debian kills em [04:07] ubuntu just rewrites code [04:07] lost_soul: With that attitude, I won't be removing your ban, either. [04:07] good [04:07] I don't need it with your attitude either [04:07] lost_soul: Please come back when you're ready to discuss proper behavior in a channel. [04:08] lost_soul: please don't swear [04:08] (upstart wasnt new code? this is news to me...) [04:08] lost_soul: please /part the channel and come back when you're ready to discuss proper etiquette regarding /topics in a channel, attitude, and language [04:09] see also, !coc Code of Conduct [04:09] I will say no more [04:09] ubottu: tell lost_soul about CoC [04:09] lost_soul, please see my private message [04:09] if you don't want me here... boot me [04:09] knowing I've done nothing wrong [04:09] TRUTH [04:10] !op | lost_soul [04:10] lost_soul: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Tm_T, tritium, elky, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, imbrandon, PriceChild, Madpilot, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, tsimpson, gnomefreak, jussi, topyli, or nhandler! [04:10] h00k called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (lost_soul) [04:10] I don't understand what that is [04:11] lost_soul: Please part like you were requested to do. [04:11] If I'm requested to part just boot me, grow a set of fucking balls [04:16] I tried, anyway. [04:28] xangua called the ops in #ubuntu (Omanza) [05:29] thank you KB1JWQ [05:30] No worries, he's a cross channel irritant today. [05:30] why not just get them off network? [05:31] He's evading something fierce; *.tmodns.net hits a couple dozen legitimate users. [05:38] Jordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu (FatDix) [05:39] uhg [05:39] ugh [05:39] guh [05:39] gonna be one of those nights [05:40] Might want to +q *!*@*tmodns.net if he comes back. [05:40] is same person? [05:40] Yes. [05:40] k [05:40] done [05:56] Omanza is trolling in #ubuntu [06:01] Jordan_U called the ops in #ubuntu (Omanza) [06:02] Did someone let a cage of skiddies loose? [06:02] yes [06:02] twice [06:02] :( [06:05] sabayonuser3 may also be a troll (he's certainly in the wrong channel) === _Dave2_ is now known as Dave2 === Guest48460 is now known as jussi [08:46] need to restart irssi, it's gone nuts [09:10] Some people just cannot learn, can they. [09:11] not spaceghost anyway [09:13] !staff | Guest679855 multiple channels autojoin spam links [09:13] Guest679855 multiple channels autojoin spam links: hey Christel, Dave2, Gary, KB1JWQ, Levia, Martinp23, Pricey, SportsChick, VorTechS, jayne, jenda, marienz, nalioth, niko, nhandler, rob, stew or tomaw, I could use a bit of your time :) [09:13] so i dont understand why im blocked from #ubuntu [09:14] any one around help me get unbanded from #ubuntu [09:15] CiphersSon: hang on [09:15] @btlogin [09:15] Ok thank you. [09:17] CiphersSon: you told people to "stfu kids" or "shut the fuck up kids" in #ubuntu [09:18] ? [09:18] why is that a question ? [09:18] you also posted a spam link [09:18] I honestly dont rember doing that.... [09:18] when was this? [09:19] 14/08/2010 [09:21] anything coming back [09:21] I cant make heads or tells of it. [09:21] the operator jpds banning you and removing you from the channel [09:21] theres only two things that i think could have happened [09:21] I bet I know one of them, but go on [09:22] either i was completely hammered drunk or i my friend was because i let him use this computer some times and only this computer witch i call my "chat box" [09:23] there we go, I knew it was going to be one of those two things [09:23] CiphersSon: you are responsible for your own behaviour even when drunk, or for your friends computer using your machine, username and ip [09:24] CiphersSon: go and talk to your friend and find out if he can make any sense of it [09:24] Well is there any thing i can do. I apologize if that meens anything. [09:24] CiphersSon: take some time to speak to your friend to find out if it was him [09:25] then come back and let us know [09:25] Hes in nebraska [09:25] im in kansas [09:25] Apologies mostly only help for things one knows one did: if one doesn't have control over one's computer (friends use it, etc.), that tends to expect security precautions to be taken. [09:25] CiphersSon: use emai/telephone/skype [09:25] CiphersSon: let us know what you find out and we can look at the ban [09:28] CiphersSon: you're welcome to re-join this channel when you have additional information, in the mean time we ask that you leave the channel until we can discuss your ban with you [09:52] oh dear... NOOOO! http://capslockday.com/ [09:53] CAPSLOCK IS COOL [09:53] ...IT'S NOT THURSDAY ): [09:54] lol [09:57] Tm_T, well be soon: only needs another hour in some places. [09:58] CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL!!!!111 [09:58] * Gary hides [09:59] Gary: BUT EVEN WITH CRUISE CONTROL, YOU STILL NEED TO STEER! [09:59] Flannel, Depends where you are. [10:12] Flannel: welcome back, havent seen you around for a bit! [10:13] jussi: I've been around, just wasn't doing much but reading backscroll for two weeks while I was away on business travel. [10:14] Flannel: ahh, business trips... yes, always fun [10:15] ikonia: can you pastebin the spam you reported earlier? [10:26] Gary: http://pastebin.com/WyrBKnzD [10:26] Gary: it changed (I joined a few times to test it) but it was that sort of thing [10:26] mostly come from #drupal/#gentoo joins but did it when I joined #ubuntu and #mysql [10:27] Hey, the +q is easily the best gift I could have ever asked for. Mind making a note not to remove it? Thanks. [10:27] From the mouths of... I'm not really sure what. [10:30] make a note of that atttiude for when he comes here asking for it to be removed [10:31] It is what he requested, after all. [10:37] * popey notes that SpaceGhostC2C is one of a very small number of people who have been ejected from the ubuntu-users mailing list [10:51] worth noting [11:14] popey, he is? [11:14] yup [11:15] I don't think I'll be unquieting him for a while then. [11:15] Some time to think will do him good. [11:16] that nick does ring a bell [11:16] not convinced +q is the right way forward tbh [11:16] he was moderated on -users, but continued to get the mail and replied to people offlist [11:17] which I guess he'll still do on irc, by PMing people [11:17] elky: he also rejoiced to me in pm and asked me if i can talk to you to not remove the quiet. i told him not to worry [11:17] topyli, Hmm, maybe we should indulge him in an upgrade? [11:17] (assumed there was no imminent danger of you doing so) [11:17] popey, he's been known to in the past, yeah. [11:18] It wouldn't surprise me if he's in /that/ channel either. [11:18] this went to the CC because people complained that the atmosphere in -users was going down the pan [11:18] popey: I agree [11:18] elky: he's not [11:19] Dear deity, who is taking a dump on the international links out of .au? [11:19] elky: agreed, let's change it to a simple ban, easier for everybody [11:28] I like it when Qt gets a good word put in! :D http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2010/10/20/ubuntu-and-qt/ [11:31] I'd like to advocate general use of +q. It's less disruptive to have folks /msg folks in realtime than based on log polling. [11:31] Unless there are complaints about someone, in which case it makes more sense. [11:32] It's a good diffuser, yes [11:33] especially when the ears get plugged for a lalalalala session, or the start /ignoring [11:33] And many of the more annoying folk who just lack self control will be relatively happy with +1 but whine about +b [11:33] persia: big plus one from me on that, we have talked about it within the ircc, and had planned to send a mail to the list [11:34] I'd like to see us utilise 15 second channel mutes in offtopic when things get stupid there too. [11:34] so yes, please use +q a lot more, its a very good option for a lot of things [11:35] got to run... laters [11:35] elky, That's an interesting idea. Just +m for a bit and explain that it's too noisy, and then -m again? [11:36] persia, +m until they realise that they're being looked at sternly. some of them are good at ignoring ops [11:37] so we can be screaming stop for ages and they'll happily not notice. +m stops both sides simultaneously - no favouritism [11:37] I suspect my channels tend to be less disruptive, but I think I'll start using that once in a while. [11:37] esp. if we come in half way and there's a few mins of fast scrolling to try digest [11:38] hi seeker [11:38] mostly I like it because it's equal blame [11:38] Lo [11:39] Indeed. The equal blame is nice. Also the "Hey, stupid, there might be consequences" bit is a little easier to get across. [11:39] seeker: you might like to identify yourself (; [11:39] It would probably resolve things quickly with "hey now look what you did" to the actual guilty party [11:40] As in the people who saw the whole thing will do that [11:40] I wouldn't recommend it for #u, but -offtopic definitely [11:40] yup [11:41] Tm_T, it's him, he's hand-tied at the moment [11:41] ah, didn't doubt it actually, just that if he wasn't aware of his unidentification [11:42] Phone Irc client + forgotten password = not identified [11:43] Will sort it out when not at work [11:43] * Tm_T huggles seeker [11:43] elky, Indeed, for #ubuntu +m is just too dangerous, as it's always high-paced multithreaded goodness, even when there is a problem. [11:44] persia, yeah, it's a completely different dynamic. making newbies feel banned for asking questions isn't going to end happy [11:45] ye [11:45] Just to confirm, if I +m somewhere, I still get to see what people try to say, right? [11:45] it's rarely useful to +m #u anyway [11:45] persia, if you stay opped up yes [11:46] Tm_T, I'd say never :) [11:46] It'd start a panic before it solved anything [11:46] elky, Cool. 95% of the time all my channels work with me just asking people to calm, but it helps to know the tools for that other day and a half a month. [11:47] persia: there has been few occasions when it has been necessary for a very short time [11:47] I'm surprised, but I believe it. [11:47] You can pretty much calibrate your full moon detector by that day and a half. [11:47] The floodbots seem capable of handling major spamming now [11:48] heh [11:49] I can't see any IRCC comment on the +m option for -ot [11:52] means they're not disagreeing (;) [11:52] Which doesn't mean they do, though. [11:52] er, i mean do agree [11:52] I know [11:53] The IRCC member that was around just ran off though, so we may have a while to wait. [11:56] a very short +m on -ot doesn't hurt the channel's productivity while you explain that the discussion that was just going on is not welcome [11:57] yup [11:57] but this ofcourse after less harsh measures have failed [11:57] then remove the +m and start making sure that the consequences are real for those who continue [11:58] tm_T: this would very rarely be necessary [11:58] sure [11:59] i'm rather proud for having used "productivity" and "#ubuntu-offtopic" in the same sentence now [12:00] I'm rather confused by it. [12:01] topyli, where rarely is probably once a month. [12:02] perhaps [12:03] Probably less now that spaceghost isn't there. [12:04] topyli, also, since he's not going to be coming here any time soon to discuss it, a memo to him from ircc explaining might be worthwhile. just because he's a rude sod doesn't mean we should be too :) [12:05] could someone explain why +q is better than +b [12:06] it gives them a chance to cool down and is less likely to result in an unproductive storming off. [12:07] it gives the message that you want them to shut up, not necessarily go away. [12:07] in terms of functionality [12:07] why is +q better than +b [12:07] because if they do storm off, they can come back. [12:08] less full ban list [12:08] and rather than just get a brick wall, they get in and have a chance to look around and /then/ figure out they're still reprimanded [12:09] I like it because sometimes folks are fine to read stuff, but just need a bit more control over themselves. +q can help. [12:09] In ubottu, Aemaeth said: wcc is unable to speak, but if it speaks, please disregard it [12:09] +b makes them feel rejected, rather than part of the environment, but being punished [12:09] persia, yep, especially in #u [12:09] cutting people off often sabotages the negotiation process [12:11] and sometimes getting to see others thank the ops (although discouraged!) drives the message home that it's not just a personal thing with the op, it's other channel users too [12:12] It's mostly psychological. [12:13] ikonia, does that make sense at all? [12:23] sorry, had to step away [12:23] just got back [12:24] elky: I see what your suggesting [12:26] I often go to +q in ubuntu but get beaten by a boot [12:26] * elky shrugs [12:27] guilty [12:27] If they don't look like they have actual interest in being there, +b. If they're asking or answering and have refused a "please stop that", then +q is worthwhile trying. [12:47] temporary +q is also useful for folks that are useful to have in-channel some times of day, and less useful others. Some of them may even thank you later. [12:48] On that note, +q is also nice to pair with a PM conversation with the user. It seems most OPs are forgetting that a casual PM to the user should be the first step, not bringing them in here in front of all the OPs. [12:49] I do that all the time. [12:54] I find a PM conversation is a bit rude since I often step in while at work. [12:55] Asking people to a pm conversation I can't necessarily maintain isn't productive [12:59] nhandler: no-one is forgetting a casual PM can work, but a lot of the time, PM'ing the users causes them to blow up and then it gets into a "he said/she said" [12:59] we have this channel for a reason so it's transparant and logged [12:59] a pm is neither [13:01] Classic. So. 4 days before UDS, we have to change all the names of the blueprints. This means that all prior email correspondence about said blueprints is now void. The cleverness, it burns. [13:01] why ? [13:02] Do you have a list of stupid answers I could randomly pick from? [13:02] elky: hrm? [13:02] jussi, all blueprints must now start with ubuntutheproject- [13:03] elky: I thought jorge gave directions weeks ago about changuing that... [13:03] yes, he did... [13:03] I have email [13:03] jussi, I never saw it. [13:03] I'm only being told now. [13:03] heh [13:04] lemme see which list you needed to be on... [13:05] this thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-October/031765.html [13:05] ubuntu devel list [13:07] I wonder why such mail is sent only to there [13:07] I've never subscribed to it, and I really don't intend to now. [13:07] the funny thing is, I'd already renamed this once, "weeks ago" [13:08] youll have to tackle jorge about why it is only sent there [13:10] That's probably the last question I'd ask, actually. First being "Are you ok, is this stuff hurting your head yet?" [13:11] It's sent there under the assumption that "Developer" in UDS means ubuntu-devel folk. [13:11] Not correct, but that's why. [13:12] persia: yeah, I can see why the assumption was made. [13:12] The naming is just a set of broken workarounds because nobody feels like making blueprints.launchpad.net work or making everyone register everything both on LP and in summit.ubuntu.com [13:13] Ah [13:14] * elky headdesks. [13:14] Ah, the old 'Blame LP' routine :P [13:16] Pici, No, really, even the LP folks agree. [13:16] Three issues: 1) the concept of "track" is unknown to LP. 2) the export tool has weird and specific requirements. 3) LP has only weak ways to find blueprints for a given cycle. [13:17] * Mamarok is not an ubuntu dev and has no reason to read that devel list [13:17] the "team" part of the naming convention is for the workitems tracker, rather than summit, but there are still a number of schools of thought about how that ought work (and a session at UDS this time about how to make project management with LP sane) [13:18] Mamarok: every Kubuntu devel is Ubuntu devel too IMO, although expecting everyone to follow that mailinglist isn't reasonable [13:18] Tm_T: I am not a kubuntu-devel either, I do a lot of other things in Kubuntu, though, so still no reason [13:19] yup [13:19] crossposting to kubuntu-devel would be OK, though, I read that list :) [13:19] there really ought to be a UDS list. [13:20] if there is and I missed the memo, feel free to laugh at me [13:20] YAML... [13:20] There isn't. [13:20] persia: what no one told you about the secret UDS list? :D :P [13:21] I don't think we need a UDS list: I think that if it's not going to be a Developer summit (and clearly there are several folks here who don't identify with "Developer"), it makes sense to have another name. [13:21] jussi, I may not read email, but I do tend to have a good idea of most of the secret lists :p [13:21] how about an announce list or some such? [13:21] persia: I disagree, I think it is a developer summit. just some of us dont develop software, but community [13:22] Mamarok: there is one of those [13:22] jussi: called ubuntu-devel-announce.... [13:22] jussi, I used pretty much those same words for the first UDS I went to [13:22] hehe [13:22] so how about a community mailing list? [13:23] jussi, Sure. I'm happy with that, as long as folks identify with that definition. It's just semantics, and we're stuck with either a promotional campaign *OR* prevelent cultural norms. [16:51] Hey guys. [16:52] Can someone -m #ubuntu-meeting please? [16:52] This is relevant to robbiew's interests. [16:52] Done :) [16:53] Pici: thnx [17:19] So this ubuntu91human dude. [17:26] yes ? [17:28] Like that. [17:28] got it [17:37] Seriously? [17:37] ? [17:37] 12:35:04 hi, I've been trying the /disco command for the discolights in irssi but it doesnt seem to work [17:38] And then when I told him that we didn't appreciate that he got confused. [17:38] a ha, I missed that [17:39] I actually think that's a script [17:39] I've seen someone else ask about something similar, ages ago [17:39] In most irc clients /disco is usually an alias to disconnect [17:39] I wonder if the other guy was trying the same [17:41] Hes in #irssi now, waiting for him to ask [17:53] in irssi, /disco falls to /disconnect unless there's something set to that command [18:16] are you sure? the version I'm on here does generally run commands if you type the first few characters and it's not ambiguous [18:17] I've repeatedly accidentally /nick'd myself to something silly because I typoed my /nsi alias as /ni, and irssi decided I meant /nick [18:30] marienz: that's what I mean actually (: [18:30] oh, *falls* [18:31] sorry, I read that as "fails" :( [18:31] and no, my font isn't that terrible, I just wasn't paying enough attention [18:57] hello [19:01] 'corntab' [19:01] ? [19:01] ahh [19:01] I see it [19:10] I wish there was a plugin for irssi to turn im-speak to real english. [19:12] I'll write one [19:59] Hi, I'd like to discuss my suggestion from two days ago about the !webmin factoid [20:00] !webmin is / See !ebox instead.// [20:00] In #ubuntu-ops, guntbert said: !webmin is / See !ebox instead.// [20:03] hmm [20:04] Has anyone tested ebox 2.0? [20:04] Pici: looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/eBox I see no "real" support here [20:04] I tested ebox shortly on a VM, it wanted to use only its own config files [20:05] so I'd say it is in no way equivalent to what webmin used to be [20:06] !webmin =~ s/ See !ebox instead.// [20:06] I'll remember that Pici [20:06] I suppose if anyone has a good suggestion for an alternative they could suggest it. [20:06] it's certainly not equivalent [20:06] I mean suggest it in real-time, rather than on a factoid, although that would be good too. [20:07] And ebox seems to have gone commercial anyway. It took me 5 minutes to find their .deb files on their site. [20:07] Pici: my thoughts exactly, thx ... have a nice time ... bye [20:08] You too [20:10] there is https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/ebox.html so i guess it's somewhat supported [20:51] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1643 users, 15 overflows, 1658 limit)) [20:51] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1643 users, 14 overflows, 1657 limit)) [20:51] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1633 users, 15 overflows, 1648 limit)) [20:51] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1638 users, 14 overflows, 1652 limit)) [20:52] 21:51 < ONSIrmIKRpY> the nigger walks into a nigger and goes to the nigger, "nigger the nigger, nigger?" and the nigger niggers, "nigger, nigger na-nigger nigger." and so they both niggered. [20:52] erUSUL: yup [20:53] idoru killed [20:53] someone has said that twice already with different nicks. maybe the same host? [20:53] nope [20:54] different host but they bots are getting smarter it seems [20:54] spam bots that is [20:54] "no one says it would be easy... noone said it would be that hard..." the life of a op ;P [20:54] cu [21:25] In #ubuntu-offtopic, LjL said: !no offtopic is #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too, and see !channels for other topical channels). Thanks! [22:13] Pici: re:ebox, what about puppet or landscape ? [22:14] I have no idea why ubuntu pushed ebox when it's never worked since it was put in [22:50] was SpaceGhostC2C changed to a ban in #ubuntu-offtopic [22:52] removed him based on popey's comments earlier that a +q is not appropriate [22:57]