[00:02] <apachelogger> markey: pong
[00:03] <markey> apachelogger: just wanted to check if you are alive
[00:03] <markey> always good to know
[00:03]  * apachelogger wished he were a butterfly
[00:04] <apachelogger> comparing algorithms is quite the pain in the arse if one is as clueless as I am 
[00:36] <nixternal> apachelogger: i agree with algorithms, unless of course if it has to do with 'nixternal picks up a beer, he opens beer, now loop until finished as fast as possible'
[00:37] <nixternal> of course, a little addition when it comes to drinking never hurt
[00:37] <apachelogger> isnt there a seaching involved somewhere?
[00:38] <apachelogger> picks up => needs to be found
[00:38] <apachelogger> no?
[00:38] <nixternal> not with me, i always know where my beer is
[00:41] <Lex79> lol
[00:58] <apachelogger> nixternal: in that case you still need to move I suppose :P
[00:59] <apachelogger> yay, I am done with the assignment \o/
[00:59] <apachelogger> 2 hours ago I wrote that n^2 is so going to pwn any of the listed n^3 thingies and guess what
[00:59] <apachelogger> it did :P
[01:00] <apachelogger> what a pointless waste of time
[01:00]  * apachelogger demands a listen-to-apachelogger-awareness-movement
[03:01] <CIA-46> [muon] jmthomas * 1188009 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (9 files in 3 dirs) Add a General settings page to Muon Manager. At the moment it only controls how many items undo/redo will remember.
[03:11] <valorie> shadeslayer: happy birthday!
[03:13] <JontheEchidna> ^ditto
[03:14] <jjesse> shadeslayer me 3
[03:26] <DarkwingDuck> Hey jjesse, valorie 
[03:26] <DarkwingDuck> hey JontheEchidna 
[03:26] <JontheEchidna> hi
[03:26] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna:  you going to UDS?
[03:26] <JontheEchidna> nope, can't get away from school
[03:26] <DarkwingDuck> :(
[03:27] <jjesse> que pasa DarkwingDuck
[03:27] <JontheEchidna> will likely be the case for all Fall UDS's until I'm done with college :(
[03:27] <jjesse> just get done w/ college quickly
[03:27] <jjesse> its hard for me to schedule yet another week of travel when i'm gone so much these days
[03:27] <DarkwingDuck> I start going back to school in December
[03:27] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: aye
[03:28] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: valorie is wanting to help us out with the docs. She and I will be getting togetherat UDS. After we'll have a meeting for Kubuntu Docs and get a plan of attack going.
[03:29] <jjesse> awesome
[03:29] <DarkwingDuck> Aye. :)
[03:29] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck can you build the packages now that nixternal is no longer doing that?
[03:30] <DarkwingDuck> Be the time 11.04 is out yes, I will be able to.
[03:30] <jjesse> super yay
[03:30] <DarkwingDuck> I'm gonna get some of these gurus to explain it to me in detail at UDS
[03:31] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell did it for us this cycle
[03:31] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: For docs, you need nixternal.  It's special.
[03:31] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: LOL I think nixternal is done with the docs.
[03:31] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: you are going to be there too right?
[03:31] <DarkwingDuck> there being UDS
[03:31] <ScottK> Yes.
[03:31] <DarkwingDuck> yay!
[03:32] <ScottK> Right, but he's the best one to teach you how to build them even if he isn't going to be working on them anymore.
[03:32] <jjesse> or get mdke from ubuntu-docs as he builds theres
[03:33] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I was going to get nixternal to write it out for me.
[03:34] <DarkwingDuck> Then I'll teach jjesse to do it ;)
[03:34] <ScottK> He's from Chicago.  I don't think they do that there.
[03:34] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: +1
[03:34] <DarkwingDuck> I'm back in California now
[03:35] <DarkwingDuck> Start school at ITT Tech in Dec
[03:35] <DarkwingDuck> Navy GI Bill will pay me 24K a year plus the cost of school to go to school full time.
[03:35] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[03:38] <jjesse> nice
[03:40] <valorie> hi jjesse
[03:42] <DarkwingDuck> yay! the three main Doc gurus are here :P
[03:43] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ping
[03:43]  * valorie would be the opposite of a guru
[03:43] <DarkwingDuck> valorie: you'll get there.
[03:43] <valorie> :-)
[03:44] <valorie> I'm a good writer
[03:44] <valorie> and can do markup
[03:44] <DarkwingDuck> YAY!
[03:44] <valorie> seems like maybe we should get some more team members
[03:44] <DarkwingDuck> You review anything with XML and DocBook?
[03:44] <valorie> I'm good at that too
[03:45] <valorie> well, I did awhile back, when it looked like I would need that for the Amarok docs
[03:45] <DarkwingDuck> Once we have a plan I was going to put a call out to the Ubuntu-doc ML
[03:45] <valorie> however, I didn't need it
[03:45] <valorie> my secret plan is to scout out people via the LoCos
[03:46] <valorie> find some Kubuntu users who want to get involved
[03:46] <valorie> instead of poaching folks who alread are involved
[03:46] <DarkwingDuck> Been trying to do that too.
[03:46] <valorie> what do you think?
[03:46] <valorie> oh cool
[03:46] <DarkwingDuck> Sounds awesome.
[03:46] <DarkwingDuck> My plate is kinda full with the California LoCo at the moment.
[03:47] <valorie> y'all are having some drama, I hear
[03:47] <Lex79> ScottK: the default version of Python in natty is 2.7 ?
[03:47] <valorie> I'm sure it will all work out
[03:47] <DarkwingDuck> HAH! That would be an improvement
[03:47] <DarkwingDuck> I'm running for leadership in the LoCo
[03:47] <valorie> me too in mine
[03:48] <valorie> but we have the opposite of drama
[03:48] <ScottK> Lex79: It's currently an additional supported version for building of extensions and modules.  It may become the default.  TBD.
[03:48] <DarkwingDuck> ?
[03:48] <valorie> too many people with hardly a moment to spare
[03:48] <DarkwingDuck> ahhh
[03:48] <valorie> hard to get people involved and active
[03:48] <DarkwingDuck> Got ya
[03:49] <Lex79> ScottK: ok thanks
[03:49] <valorie> so we need to recruit, I think
[03:49] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[03:49] <valorie> Seattle is sorta M$ country
[03:49] <DarkwingDuck> California is too dang big
[03:49] <valorie> yup
[03:49]  * ScottK hands DarkwingDuck the Texas loco.
[03:49] <valorie> north and south are rather different, too
[03:50] <DarkwingDuck> That's why we are doing a 3 person leadership team.
[03:50] <DarkwingDuck> Yes VERY different
[03:50] <valorie> we are too
[03:50] <valorie> and had 4 nominations
[03:50] <valorie> and one dropped out
[03:50] <DarkwingDuck> We have three nominations
[03:50] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[03:50] <valorie> so now I just need people to VOTE
[03:50] <DarkwingDuck> Two from NorCal and myself from SoCal
[03:50] <valorie> and get our previous do-nothing contact OUT
[03:51] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[03:51] <DarkwingDuck> We have the issue where it's almost power hungry people
[03:52] <valorie> sad
[03:52] <valorie> they show up in every sort of project
[03:52] <valorie> I saw it when my kids showed rabbits, for god's sake
[03:52] <valorie> seriously
[03:52] <valorie> GENEALOGY
[03:53] <valorie> old ladies fighting about who owns crappy websites
[03:53] <valorie> it's insane
[03:54] <ScottK> Eventually people will realize that you don't really have power over volunteers.
[03:54] <valorie> anyway, we'll get it all sorted
[03:54] <valorie> exactly
[03:55] <valorie> herding cats is pretty much impossible
[03:55] <valorie> much easier to open a can of tuna
[03:55] <valorie> :-)
[04:00] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah
[04:00] <DarkwingDuck> We are going to fix out stuff shortly
[04:01] <DarkwingDuck> This game is getting good
[04:01] <jjesse> yes it is
[04:01] <jjesse> go giants
[04:01] <DarkwingDuck> Aye, Go Giants
[04:02] <DarkwingDuck> darn
[04:28] <valorie> I can't recall -- what is the packagename for the kubuntu splash?
[04:29] <valorie> for 10.10
[04:29] <JontheEchidna> plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo and plymouth-theme-kubuntu-text
[04:30] <JontheEchidna> (text is used when the graphics drivers can't do a graphical theme)
[04:30] <valorie> thanks, JontheEchidna
[04:31] <JontheEchidna> grr, why is dch defaulting to maverick? :s
[04:36] <jschall> JontheEchidna: i'm hoping you can help me, since you helped valorie help me... my splash screen looks like this: http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1366/splashc.jpg
[04:37] <jschall> JontheEchidna: i have an nvidia 8800gts, and it's done the image splash before.
[04:37] <JontheEchidna> has it done the image splash after you installed the proprietary nvidia driver?
[04:37] <jschall> JontheEchidna: yes, i was just typing that i was suspecting something to that extent.
[04:37] <jschall> JontheEchidna: any known fix?
[04:38] <jschall> JontheEchidna: i figured it did the splash before it loaded the x drivers
[04:38] <jschall> JontheEchidna: so i didn't expect it to be the issue
[04:38] <Lex79> bug 653274
[04:39] <JontheEchidna> actually, doing the splash before X starts is the problem ;-)
[04:39] <Lex79> there's a workaround ^
[04:39] <JontheEchidna> The nvidia driver hasn't been updated by nvidia to provide the necessary interface to render non-text things before X starts
[04:40] <JontheEchidna> Oh, that bug lex mentioned looks new. Hadn't seen that one before
[04:40] <valorie> ugh, I've heard of so many nvidia problems lately
[04:41] <Lex79> I wrote that bug report and it's in the release notes ;)
[04:42] <JontheEchidna> Somebody in the community might've stepped up to add KMS support to the nvidia drivers... but they can't even if they wanted to since they are closed-source :(
[04:42] <Lex79> the solution is simple, just stop to use plymouth :P
[04:43] <JontheEchidna> I will continue to shake my fist at nvidia
[04:44] <Lex79> ATI too, I don't think it just nvidia problem
[04:49] <jschall> Lex79: there seem to be a variety of workarounds that are reported to work, what's the best workaround to use?
[04:50] <Lex79> jschall: I don't know, i didn't try the workaround
[04:50] <jschall> Lex79: ok, thank you
[04:50] <Lex79> no problem
[08:55] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[08:55] <_Groo_> guys just a quick bug report, is ver early around here
[08:56] <_Groo_> libkwebkit-dev is currently with broken dependencies, in kubuntu ppa and prolly also maverick stack
[08:56] <_Groo_> if you try to install libkwebkit-dev you get: libkwebkit-dev : Depends: kdelibs5-dev but it is not going to be installed
[08:57] <_Groo_> and if you try to install kdelibs5-dev
[08:57] <_Groo_> kdelibs5-dev : Breaks: libkwebkit-dev (< 0.9svn1123738) but 0.9~svn1127626-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[08:57] <_Groo_> so a classic dep loop
[08:57] <_Groo_> i would sugest a change in the dep version, aparently someone forgot to change some control :)
[09:02] <markey> dpes he look that creepy in RL too?
[09:02] <markey> http://en.gravatar.com/mdzlog
[09:02] <markey> I mean, he could eat little children with those eyes
[09:02] <markey> s/dpes/does
[09:07] <valorie> talkin' bad about a Zimmerman?
[09:07] <valorie> lol
[09:07] <markey> heh
[09:07] <markey> any relation?
[09:08] <valorie> eh, there was one in every town
[09:08] <valorie> unless his came from Ostfriesland, probably not
[09:08] <valorie> I got my hubby a DNA kit, so we could tell!
[09:11] <markey> loool
[09:12] <valorie> a long time ago I got one for my dad, and it answered a long-standing question
[09:13] <valorie> now we know that his border scots came from Stirling originally, as did some of the Irish Cowans
[09:13] <valorie> worth the money to me, although the men don't seem to care
[09:13] <valorie> :-)
[09:30] <debfx> Lex79: do you want to keep plasma-widget-droptoimageshack? I think it's obsolete as we have the generic pastebin plasmoid
[13:41] <shadeslayer> thank apachelogger: valorie Lex79 JontheEchidna markey :)
[13:41] <shadeslayer> s/thank/thanks
[13:58] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: pong :p yeah, almost 12 hours later. i fell asleep watching 'Storm Chasers' and 'Black Gold' last night :)
[13:59] <ScottK> nixternal: I need the powerpc box, but not for another 10-12 hours if you don't want to run it all day.
[13:59] <nixternal> as per the docs, I want to create a new build system for it that anyone can use. CMake FTW, however that will involve a bit of work on my part. in the next week or so I plan on getting on it. I just took a break from Maverick, I am not done here
[13:59] <nixternal> starting it up now ScottK 
[14:00] <nixternal> if I don't start it now, I doubt i will in 10 to 12 hours :p
[14:00] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:01] <nixternal> seems my big dumb ass ppc box has served you well. can't beat free. it is heavier than any 2U server I have ever lifted too
[14:10] <nixternal> stupid byobu keeps losing itself somehow
[14:20] <CIA-46> [muon] jmthomas * 1188125 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/MainWindow.cpp Connect to the finished() signal instead of okClicked(). This fixes not being able to open the config dialog after closing the config dialog via the window controls.
[14:21] <ScottK> It's been a great help.
[15:07] <shadeslayer> ScottK: wasnt there a kopete bug about not getting it minimized to systray
[15:10] <shtylman> death to the systray!
[15:12] <Riddell> ooh shtylman's back :)
[15:16] <eMyller> what dock-thing do you guys recommend?
[15:17] <shtylman> Riddell: :)
[15:17] <Riddell> shtylman: don't happen to be in Florida next week do you?
[15:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: \o
[15:18] <Riddell> hi shadeslayer 
[15:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: have you got your visa?
[15:18] <shadeslayer> yeah :D
[15:19] <Riddell> yay
[15:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: want anything from India? :P
[15:20] <eMyller> ...if any
[15:20] <eMyller> fancytasks is still too unstable
[15:26] <shtylman> Riddell: no I don't ... but I will be doing the remote participation thing
[15:45] <shtylman> Riddell: I have some graphics I need to show you.. mostly the ksplash stuff and kdm things without the wallpaper (I dunno if you plan to change the default wallpaper)
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> shtylman: that sort of thing is going to be discussed at UDS, iirc
[15:51] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: as always :)
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> right ;-)
[15:51] <shadeslayer> shtylman: im all pro more kubuntu branding right now :D
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> too bad I'll have to settle for remote participation as well :(
[15:51] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: good for you, i have a 24 hour journey :S
[15:51] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: how come?
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> shtylman: college :(
[15:52] <shtylman> ah... happens :)
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> but I can make all the summer UDS's
[15:52] <shtylman> you should just skip it ;)
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> lol, clearly a case of screwed up priorities ;-)
[15:53] <shtylman> not screwed up at all
[15:53] <shtylman> you will learn more at UDS :)
[15:53] <shtylman> ive been through college... trust me ;)
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> I meant that me placing college in front of UDS was a case of screwed up priorities, as a joke :P
[15:54] <shtylman> indeed... that was a case of screwed up priorities.. no joke
[15:54]  * JontheEchidna is confused
[15:54] <shtylman> good
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> But on the branding note, I would support including more branding on the condition that any branding plan must be approved by the kde marketing team.
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> as to prevent brand pollution
[15:57] <shtylman> sure.. makes sense
[15:59] <apachelogger> "On Monday everyone on crew must report to the venue at 8:15am to help set up and guide people into the venue."
[15:59] <apachelogger> you got to be kidding me :O
[16:00] <shadeslayer> wha
[16:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where?
[16:00] <apachelogger> uds
[16:00] <shadeslayer> no
[16:00]  * apachelogger is crewing it seems
[16:00] <shadeslayer> wheres that written?
[16:00] <apachelogger> with maco \o/
[16:00] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-N/Crew
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> I crew'd last time and got a neat t-shirt out of it
[16:00] <maco> oh? they finally updated the crew page?
[16:00] <maco> have they sent out the roommate assignments yet?
[16:01] <shadeslayer> i wonder who i get
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> I ran around changing the signs on the rooms in between sessions
[16:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: getting up 45 minutes earlier is no good trade for a shirt....
[16:01] <shadeslayer> oh.. i dont have a job :P
[16:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: want mine? :P
[16:01] <apachelogger> after all you are minion ;)
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I didn't have to, I just had to miss the first five minutes of each session on thursday :P
[16:02] <shadeslayer> lemme read what i have to do :P
[16:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that sux though...
[16:02] <apachelogger> surely shadeslayer should be crewing too ^^, then I only need to miss 5 minutes of each session ^^
[16:03] <maco> JontheEchidna: nah, miss the *last* 5 minutes so the signs are changed by the time people go lookin
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> <.<
[16:04] <shadeslayer> do all of us get t-shirts? :P
[16:04] <JontheEchidna> well, you did start 5 minutes before, but by the time you changed 24 signs it was 5 minutes in to the session
[16:05] <jussi> shadeslayer: yes, everyone gets a uds sirt
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> btw, I have a mostly-done package for this: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/gtk-oxygen-engine?content=129715
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> Just have to get the copyright sorted
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> suppose I'll do that after class today
[16:06] <shadeslayer> jussi: and the people who arent in the crew get Community t-shirts?
[16:06] <shadeslayer> ( community written on the back )
[16:07] <jussi> shadeslayer: there is one tshirt style that everyone gets
[16:07] <shadeslayer> ohk
[16:07] <jussi> crew get a second "crw" shirt
[16:07] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: that's cool
[16:07] <maco> hahhaah
[16:07] <maco> Video crew:  "a bunch of amber-like things go here"
[16:08] <jussi> haha
[16:08] <jussi> maco: are you making an appearancce at this uds?
[16:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok if you dont want to do it, ill do it 
[16:08] <maco> jussi: yep
[16:08] <jussi> excellent
[16:08] <maco> showing up monday night because i have a bio lab monday morning
[16:08] <shadeslayer> or all 3 of us can do it together ... either way
[16:10] <jussi> thats what err... yeah...
[16:10] <jussi> shadeslayer: classic quote there...
[16:10] <shadeslayer> oh :P
[16:10] <shadeslayer> i meant the crew thing :P
[16:12]  * shadeslayer still has jussi's kurta :>
[16:19] <JontheEchidna> lulz
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> maco: lucky, half of my lectures are once a week things, so missing one generally means you're screwed. My labs also fall in the middle of the week. :(
[16:20] <maco> JontheEchidna: my lab is supposed to be wednesday night. i got the TA to let me do it during a different session
[16:21] <maco> once a week things seem less trouble to miss to me...
[16:21] <maco> im missing 2 statistcs, 2 bio, 2 forensic science, and 1 networks ... since thats my usual weekly stuff
[16:21] <shadeslayer> maco: im missing my exams ... beat that :P
[16:22] <maco> haha
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> I'd miss 1 digital fundamentals, 2 electric circuits, 1 intro to C++, labs for all 3, and 1 intro to psych lecture
[16:22] <maco> i took an exam on tuesday because i'll be missing it on thursday
[16:22] <JontheEchidna> though c++ lab is laughably easy
[16:22] <maco> erk
[16:22] <maco> be missing it on monday
[16:22] <shadeslayer> well... i still have to give them, 2 weeks afterwards
[16:23] <JontheEchidna> c++ lab == designated time to do what's really homework using school computers
[16:23] <nigelb> haha
[16:23] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:24] <JontheEchidna> I was part of a 3-way tie for second-highest mideterm exam grade, 98%[/brag]. Two people got 100%
[16:24] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: we have that too ( even tho im in Electronics ) and its called 'Value Added Course' ... i just browse api.kde.org for 2 hours 
[16:24] <JontheEchidna> (c++ midterm)
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> we'll probably go over the exam next lecture. I want to see what I did wrong
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> I probably got points off for some logical error I couldn't correct in the "let the user insert as many numbers as they want, and then find highest, lowest, average and sum without using arrays" program due to my lack of an eraser :/
[16:26] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[16:27] <JontheEchidna> that problem was 40% of the exam grade
[16:27] <shadeslayer> happens.... :P
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> class in half an hour, I should get going
[16:29] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: o/
[16:45] <CIA-46> [kappfinder] dfaure * 1188173 * trunk/extragear/ (49 files in 49 dirs) Make executable the Type=Application .desktop files we install, so that they can be used even from a KDE running in another prefix (http://markmail.org/message/4p3krovtnzwx35zd)
[17:49] <Lex79> debfx: I don't know, but it seems plasma-widget-droptoimageshack is not maintained anymore by upstream, and since pastebin plasmoid does the same thing, we can remove it from the archive yes
[17:52] <debfx> Lex79: good, i'll file a removal bug
[17:54] <Lex79> ok
[18:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: are you attending http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/242/detail/
[19:23] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[19:23] <_Groo_> 2 things, digikam is broken in maverick with kde 4.5.2
[19:24] <_Groo_> and also broken (in this case a deps problem is libkwebkit-dev)
[19:31] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: broken as in?
[19:31] <shadeslayer> works fine here
[19:36] <_Groo_> digikam cant open the settings, click on menu/settings/digikam settings, instant crash
[19:36] <_Groo_> libkdewebkit-dev is uninstalable
[19:37] <_Groo_> it enters in a loop dep with kdelibs5-dev
[19:37] <_Groo_> kdelibs5-dev : Breaks: libkwebkit-dev (< 0.9svn1123738) but 0.9~svn1127626-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[19:37] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: can you confirm this? :)
[19:38] <_Groo_> i opened a bug in bugs.kde
[19:38] <shadeslayer> digikam settings open fine
[19:38] <_Groo_> with latest 4.5.2 ppa and maverick???
[19:38] <shadeslayer> and i have no libkdewebkit-dev
[19:38] <shadeslayer> IIRC that package is no more
[19:38] <shadeslayer> !info libkdewebkit-dev
[19:38] <shadeslayer> !info libkdewebkit-dev lucid
[19:39] <_Groo_> ii  libkdewebkit5                                                        4:4.5.2a-0ubuntu1~ppa2                                     the KDE WebKit Library
[19:39] <shadeslayer> libkdewebkit5 << 
[19:39] <shadeslayer> yeah thats installed
[19:40] <_Groo_> try to apt-get install libkwebkit-dev
[19:40] <_Groo_> which was suposed to have the cmake for use with kwebpart
[19:41] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: i have it installed
[19:41] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: it cant be installed, conflicts with kdelibs5-dev
[19:42] <_Groo_> libkwebkit-dev : Depends: kdelibs5-dev but it is not going to be installed
[19:42] <shadeslayer> ii  libkdewebkit5                        4:4.5.2a-0ubuntu1~ppa2                            the KDE WebKit Library
[19:42] <shadeslayer> uh
[19:42] <shadeslayer> ii means its installed
[19:43] <_Groo_> thats the lib, wheres the dev?
[19:43] <shadeslayer> in that lib?
[19:43] <CIA-46> [kubuntu-notification-helper] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101021184351-csossz91e5r5gfgi * src/daemon/installevent/installevent.cpp Initializer list cleanup
[19:43] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: btw is your system 32 or 64 bits?
[19:44] <shadeslayer> 64 bits
[19:44] <_Groo_> k
[19:44] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:44] <_Groo_> digikam crashes everytime i try to open the settings / confire digikam
[19:44] <_Groo_> configure
[19:44] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: can you install kdelibs5-dev
[19:45] <jtechidna> The conflicts/replaces version of libkwebkit-dev in kdelibs5-dev is missing the ~ in
[19:46] <markey> http://www.osnews.com/story/23918/Ubuntu_s_Zimmerman_Qt_Has_a_Lot_to_Offer_Ubuntu
[19:46] <JontheEchidna> s/0.9svn1123738/0.9svn~1123738 should fix this
[19:46] <markey> just found that it's on OSNews now
[19:46] <shadeslayer> ScottK: you made lwn
[19:46] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:46] <shadeslayer> http://lwn.net/Articles/410846/
[19:47] <_Groo_> so i was right? it was a dep loop that was broken in control file?
[19:47] <shadeslayer> possible
[19:47] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: please file a packaging bug against kubuntu ppa
[19:47] <_Groo_> i usually come here first
[19:48] <_Groo_> digikam 1.4.0 is crashing everytime you open configure digikam in settings, anyone could pls open the beast and confirm this?
[19:49] <shtylman> ScottK: that is quite funny
[19:54] <_Groo_> anyone seeing this behaviour?
[19:55] <shadeslayer> not me
[19:55] <_Groo_> on another notice, latest alsa-utils package post install is broken too :P taking ubuntu-desktop down with it lol
[19:55] <markey> _Groo_: got a backtrace with debug?
[19:55] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: please pastebin the backtrace
[19:55] <_Groo_> markey: yeah i opened a bug in bugs kde
[19:55] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: confirmed that
[19:55] <markey> show us
[19:55] <_Groo_> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=254283
[19:55] <markey> thx
[19:55] <_Groo_> the developer insists insaying it was fixed
[19:56] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:56] <_Groo_> i checked kdegraphics source code, and indeed the patches are there
[19:56] <_Groo_> but it still crashes
[19:56] <markey> _Groo_: Gilles wrote that you should upgrade libkipi+
[19:56] <markey> did you do that?
[19:56] <_Groo_> its 4.5.2a
[19:56] <markey> s/+/
[19:56] <_Groo_> and the patches he mentioned are there
[19:56] <markey> hm
[19:57] <markey> also it's a dupe report
[19:57] <markey> of a dupe...
[19:57] <markey> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=237565
[19:57] <markey> is the original
[19:57] <_Groo_> yeah but unrelated, it also crashes without kipi-plugins installed
[19:58] <markey> well then Gilles made a mistake
[19:58]  * markey looks at backtrace again
[19:58] <markey> man, bko is slow
[19:58] <markey> #7  0x00007f3ea99d7a4e in KIPI::PluginLoader::Info::icon (this=0xaa8118) at
[19:58] <markey> ../../../../libs/libkipi/libkipi/pluginloader.cpp:171
[19:58] <markey> that is the problem
[19:58] <shadeslayer> aye
[19:59] <markey> it is Kipi
[19:59] <markey> clearly
[19:59] <_Groo_> i removed kipi and it still crashes
[19:59] <markey> _Groo_: there is a workaround
[19:59] <shadeslayer> #5  0x00007f3513d4e266 in QIcon::actualSize (this=<value optimized out>,
[19:59] <shadeslayer> size=..., mode=QIcon::Normal, state=QIcon::Off) at image/qicon.cpp:700
[19:59] <shadeslayer> thats the original bug report
[19:59] <markey> check/uncheck "External Kipi Plugins"
[19:59] <shadeslayer> so id say, its new 
[19:59] <markey> hm
[20:00] <markey> anyway, the backtraces are different
[20:00] <markey> and that's an excellent backtrace
[20:00] <markey> with line number
[20:00] <shadeslayer> yep
[20:00] <_Groo_> and how can i check/uncheck external kipi plugins if i cant open the settings? :D
[20:00] <markey> nuke the .rc file
[20:00] <markey> or edit it
[20:00] <markey> digikamrc
[20:00] <_Groo_> did that already
[20:00] <markey> hmm
[20:00] <_Groo_> even removed apps/digikam
[20:01] <markey> you know, maybe really tell Gilles then
[20:01] <markey> that might be a different bug
[20:01] <shadeslayer> markey: weird thing is... works here
[20:01] <markey> should take a few minutes to fix
[20:01] <_Groo_> markey: i opened a bug, i added the trace
[20:01] <markey> shadeslayer: well... dangling pointer maybe
[20:01] <_Groo_> i told him it was in 4.5.2
[20:01] <markey> the usual
[20:01] <shadeslayer> possible
[20:01] <_Groo_> he insisted it was fixed, i told him is still there
[20:01] <_Groo_> he closed the bug twice
[20:02] <_Groo_> im not gonna agroo him cause of this :P
[20:02] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: tell him you still have it in #kde-devel
[20:03] <markey> and use simple English
[20:03] <_Groo_> markey is seeing it too?
[20:03] <shadeslayer> need to sleep
[20:03] <markey> it's not Gilles' strength
[20:03] <shadeslayer> cya 
[20:03] <markey> nite shadeslayer
[20:03] <markey> _Groo_: I see the backtrace, that is enough
[20:03] <markey> it's a bug
[20:03] <_Groo_> i know gilles is french, i could write in french for that matter
[20:03] <_Groo_> well why dont you guys add it in the report i alreasdy opened
[20:04] <_Groo_> it might give it some strengh instead of just poor me saying its still there
[20:04] <markey> easier to talk to him directly
[20:04] <markey> don't be shy :)
[20:04] <markey> he's just a human
[20:04] <_Groo_> you arent getting it.. i talked to him in kde-devel last week
[20:04] <_Groo_> when i opened the bug
[20:04] <markey> well, he's French
[20:04] <_Groo_> he insists in saying its fixed
[20:05] <markey> one of you is wrong :)
[20:05] <_Groo_> have you tried to convince a french guy before?
[20:05] <_Groo_> im portuguese.. i know how hard it is
[20:05] <markey> wait, I'll compare the backtrace one more time
[20:05] <_Groo_> i can send you a fresh one if you want :D
[20:05] <_Groo_> its always the same behaviour
[20:06] <_Groo_> im compiling kipi and digikam 1.5.0 and see if it gets better
[20:06] <markey> ok, the backtraces are similar. but not *identical*
[20:06] <markey> so there might actually be two bugs
[20:07] <markey> and Gilles just fixed one of them
[20:07] <markey> two backtraces are the same, but the one in the first report is not
[20:07] <markey> ooooooor... the fix will be in KDE 4.5.3
[20:14] <_Groo_> ooor it wont get fixed
[20:15] <_Groo_> btw can anyone confirm that latest update to alsa-utils broken the package?
[20:21] <_Groo_> backtrace from 1.5.0 and kipi 1.5.0 http://pastebin.ca/1969293
[20:21] <Quintasan> shadeslayer, yofel: ping!
[20:24] <yofel> hm?
[20:25] <Quintasan> yofel: well, I mean kdebindings is going to be a PITA
[20:26] <yofel> agreed, I have very little free time currently so I won't be able to help though :(
[20:26] <Quintasan> well, no worries
[20:27] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: unless you are really bored you can leave the rest of the modules to me
[20:27] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I will have some time to spare during the next week so I will try to follow the UDS and make some progress on PNM
[20:30] <Lex79> Quintasan: what's the problem with bindings? just curiosity
[20:31] <Quintasan> well, it FTBFS due to some python magic
[20:32] <Quintasan> d00dz at #kde-devel told me it should be working now
[20:32] <Quintasan> unless they introduced some new "feature" :P
[20:32] <Lex79> are you building against new pyqt4, sip and qscintilla?
[20:32] <Quintasan> yup, I packaged em just for this
[20:32] <Quintasan> I'm trying to get that stuff to debian too
[20:33] <Lex79> Quintasan: do you still have the buildlog?
[20:33] <Lex79> of the FTBFS I mean
[20:37] <Quintasan> Lex79: well, nope, stuff is building now so if it fails I will send you a log
[20:37] <Lex79> ok thanks
[20:40] <Quintasan> well, I'm not sure if I would appreciate getting FTBFs thrown at me :P
[20:41] <CIA-46> [kubuntu-notification-helper] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101021194019-1iwepbwcb9ajw05y * src/daemon/installevent/ (installevent.cpp installevent.h) Split the packages in to more groups, so that web browsers don't have to install CD burning codecs, and so that K3b doesn't recommend the installation of the Flash plugin.
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I think you were complaining about ^
[20:54] <CIA-46> [kubuntu-notification-helper] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101021195335-mq0ejkwubhar1i51 * src/daemon/event.cpp I had forgotten to move the actual setting of the actions to the "KNotify only" case, and had only been putting the signal/slot connections in there.
[20:55] <CIA-46> [muon] jmthomas * 1188256 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/kded/event.cpp Fix a bug where KNotify actions would appear in KNotify/Tray icon combo mode, but would not do anything. They weren't supposed to be in the KNotify at all in this mode.
[21:05] <CIA-46> [kubuntu-notification-helper] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101021200455-d092z6kgm8v1qokl * debian/changelog Update debian/changelog
[21:05]  * JontheEchidna will blog about k-n-h in 11.04 when he gets home, bbiab
[21:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I was more thinking all 3 of us go on crew duty and we all get free tshirts ^^
[21:50] <shtylman> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/ubiquity/+bug/538505
[21:50] <shtylman> was that a problem when you did installer dev this last cycle?
[22:22] <Riddell> shtylman: I didn't notice that as a problem in 10.10
[22:23] <shtylman> cool... maybe we should close the ticket then
[22:23] <shtylman> if it comes back someon will repost I guess
[22:23] <shtylman> and the lucid version is won't fix
[22:24] <shtylman> as I doubt we will go back to fix that up
[22:30] <Riddell> shtylman: go for it
[22:30] <shtylman> I can't mark lucid as won't fix
[22:30] <shtylman> :(
[22:32] <Riddell> you can't?
[22:34] <shtylman> nope
[22:34] <shtylman> it is greyed out
[22:38] <markey> guys, how do I close a text-based EULA with synaptic?
[22:38] <markey> trying to install Sun Java
[22:39]  * markey is puzzled
[22:39] <Riddell> markey: scroll down to bottom and click tickbox?
[22:39] <markey> doesn't work
[22:39] <markey> it's a text screen
[22:39] <markey> I mean, how could you click that?
[22:39] <markey> it's meant for the console
[22:40] <Riddell> there should be a tickbox widget in it
[22:40] <markey> there isn't :/
[22:40] <valorie> you have to open up the details screen, as I recall
[22:40] <markey> I did that
[22:40] <valorie> which gives you a console
[22:40] <markey> it shows me the text
[22:40] <valorie> hmm
[22:40] <markey> but no input field
[22:40] <valorie> arrow keys?
[22:41] <markey> that works :)
[22:41] <valorie> \o/
[22:41] <markey> but what now?
[22:41] <markey> I scrolled down
[22:41] <valorie> heh
[22:41] <Riddell> no OK button?
[22:41] <valorie> y ?
[22:41] <markey> well yeah, there is <OK>
[22:41] <markey> what to do with it?
 <space> ?
[22:41] <markey> aaaah
[22:41] <markey> right, tab
[22:42] <markey> that worked
[22:42] <markey> heh
[22:42] <valorie> soooo geeky
[22:42] <markey> very
[22:42] <markey> usability fail, really
[22:45] <Riddell> debconf is like that alas
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> anybody up for REVU?
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/gtk2-engines-oxygen
[23:06] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: dh $@ --kde without pkg-kde-tools?
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> oops
[23:07] <JontheEchidna> (It does build, though :D)
[23:07] <Lex79> :)
[23:08] <JontheEchidna> probably why I didn't notice
[23:09] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: you pressed two "tab" before src/qcolorutils.cpp in copyright
[23:34] <sgh> Hi. I'm trying to hack kickoff to appear on mousepress instead of mouseup. I can't seem to find any way to make PopupApplet react on mousepress. Do you guys know how ?