[06:37] <ircrob> can package depends be fixed
[06:38] <ircrob> for example evince
[06:39] <ircrob> apt-get install evince installs a lot of crap
[06:40] <ircrob> maybe a new package called evince-lite
[06:42] <ircrob> gnucash-lite gramps-lite
[06:44] <ircrob> try a apt-cache depends evince
[16:28] <Blackbox> where can i download natty
[16:29] <Pici> I don't know if isos are being spun yet, anyway there aren't many changes in there yet, as UDS is next week.
[16:30] <charlie-tca> There are no natty images yet
[16:30] <Pici> Blackbox: ^^
[16:32] <Blackbox> Pici : are you stalking me on this
[16:33] <Pici> Blackbox: Eh?
[19:31] <kklimonda_> hum
[19:31] <kklimonda_> I'm starting to question my "design sense" when I hear people calling http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Whiteboards/LoginScreen slick..
[19:32] <kklimonda_> have I missed the memo that we are switching to the new, phone-like widgets? :/
[19:32]  * kklimonda_ also hates the context menu in unity's left panel
[19:39] <charlie-tca> Only 401 packages to upgrade to natty
[19:50] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[19:51] <_Groo_> just a quick notice, alsa-utils (1.0.23-2ubuntu3.3) post install script is broken
[20:11] <Wubbbi> Uhhh ... Ubuntu +1 is open again <3
[20:14] <Pici> Uhhh, yes.
[20:15] <Wubbbi> I am so exited to see ubuntu 11.04 ... I hope it is getting very cool. Even on my Atom Netbook :/
[20:22] <Dink> Wubbbi, yeah 10.10 went pretty smooth on my aod250.
[20:22] <Dink> so far so good with 11.04
[20:26] <Wubbbi> Dink: me too
[20:35] <charlie-tca> hmm, "Errors were encountered while processing: base-files
[20:36] <charlie-tca> elky: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[20:36] <charlie-tca> I suppose that is bad.
[20:36] <charlie-tca> sorry, elky
[20:36] <charlie-tca> I did not mean you
[20:43] <charlie-tca> hmm, looks like the upgrade failed badly. None of the packages are installing
[20:47] <jbicha> charlie-tca: did you use Update Manager and click the "Partial Upgrade" button?
[20:47] <charlie-tca> no
[20:47] <charlie-tca> I didn't think upgrade manager was working this early
[20:48] <jbicha> yes, it works fine
[20:48] <jbicha> don't use the Partial Upgrade button
[20:48] <yofel> the initial upgrade worked fine here except for a few held packages
[20:48] <charlie-tca> I changed /etc/apt/sources.list and ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:48] <jbicha> some packages are intentionally held back while dependent packages wait to be built
[20:48] <yofel> oh, there's a new base-files update here again, let's try it..
[20:49] <jbicha> I didn't have a problem with base-files 25
[20:50]  * yofel is still on 24
[20:51] <jbicha> or 24 for that matter
[20:51] <charlie-tca> hmm, 411 updates downloaded but not installed
[20:52] <charlie-tca> base-files 5.0.0ubuntu25 fails
[20:53] <charlie-tca> So, I picked the wrong day?
[20:53] <jbicha> charlie-tca: I suggest you look through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekKarmic/RunPlusOne
[20:54] <charlie-tca> You really think that will fix this now?
[20:54] <charlie-tca> I think if the base-files is failing, it won't matter what I use to run the upgrade right now
[20:55] <jbicha> you could try using Synaptic to mark all upgrades and unmark the ones that don't work like base-files (also, for me, cups, openjdk6-jre and python-paramiko are held)
[20:56] <jbicha> or you could do the same thing with update-manager, just uncheck base-files
[20:57] <jbicha> update-manager is smarter than Synaptic
[21:12] <yofel> base-files updated fine, openjdk-6-jre-headless failed though
[22:46] <bjsnider> http://blogs.gnome.org/fmuellner/files/2010/10/Pantallazo.png
[22:46] <bjsnider> that is a new gnome-shell mockup
[22:46] <bjsnider> it looks a lot like unity
[22:46] <bjsnider> and both use mutter
[22:47] <bjsnider> so what we have here is two groups of developers working on different desktop shells that look and behave a lot alike.
[22:49] <duffydack> what we have here, is failure to communicate.
[22:49] <bjsnider> really?
[22:50] <duffydack> not really
[22:50] <duffydack> unity needs to get its act together though.  nice idea, but badly implemented
[23:01] <BUGabundo> guud evening everyone. may the moon shine over you
[23:15] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, you're using a netbook?
[23:16] <BUGabundo> heck no
[23:16] <BUGabundo> c2d . 13,3"
[23:18] <bjsnider> just wondered if you used unity
[23:26] <duffydack> its faster than it was, but its still not quite usable to me.  I went back to 10.04 and liked.
[23:27] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: I did long ago, during MM cycle
[23:27] <BUGabundo> I tried to force myself to test it again
[23:27] <duffydack> the file/folder system it uses (no nautilus) is very basic, no U1 stuff, no delete, copy etc..I know its not supposed to be advanced, but copy paste isnt
[23:27] <BUGabundo> but been running out of good motives
[23:30] <duffydack> I have to say though, the workspace switcher is a nice thing to use..  its compiz expo+scale in one.