[21:22] <AlanBell> Pendulum: in dasher preferences on the language tab if you change the direction to custom can you activate the radio buttons below?
[21:29] <Pendulum> AlanBell: no
[21:29] <Pendulum> looks like a bug
[21:30] <AlanBell> ok
[21:30] <AlanBell> did I tell you about the daily dash of dasher I set up?
[21:31] <Pendulum> no
[21:31] <AlanBell> my PPA now has daily builds of dasher from the gnome git tree
[21:31] <AlanBell> which was a lot easier to set up than it sounds
[21:34] <AlanBell> bug 664750
[21:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 664750 in dasher (Ubuntu) "custom direction radio buttons don't activate (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/664750
[21:35] <AlanBell> feel free to confirm and comment and I will forward it upstream
[21:37] <Pendulum> can I confirm even though I don't usually do bug stuff?
[21:37] <AlanBell> yes, you certainly can
[21:37] <AlanBell> anyone can confirm apart from the person who submitted the bug
[21:38] <AlanBell> I filed it, you have independently tested it and can confirm it.
[21:39] <AlanBell> Bug #637747
[21:39] <ubot2> AlanBell: Bug 637747 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/637747 is private
[21:39] <Pendulum> AlanBell: done on that bug
[21:39] <Pendulum> what was the 2nd bug?
[21:40] <AlanBell> it was referenced on another one, I think it is an automatic crash log or something, I just wanted to see if ubot2 could see any more of it than I can
[21:40] <Pendulum> AlanBell: also, I got an answer from Patrick re: the direct input in 3.0 issue. I'll forward it to you because I only 1/2 understand it
[21:41] <Pendulum> AlanBell: btw, do you have a preferred e-mail? I have 3 of them for you in my address book :P
[21:42] <AlanBell> they all end up in the same place really!
[21:42] <AlanBell> alanbell@ubuntu.com I guess
[21:42] <Pendulum> heh, too late. I sent to the first one on my list :P
[21:44] <AlanBell> got it
[21:44] <AlanBell> oh my, that is quite a suggestion
[21:46] <AlanBell> ok, so lets put aside the suggestion that users recompile it with a different build option for the moment!
[21:46] <AlanBell> however his basic point is that the "typing into apps" bit doesn't use at-spi
[21:46] <Pendulum> yeah
[21:47] <Pendulum> which I don't think has been clear in any of the gnome documentation, so at least that I can make clear for them
[21:47] <AlanBell> I think from the mail he sent me the at-spi bit tells dasher which window has focus
[21:47] <Pendulum> and he failed to answer my "are you thinking of porting to dbus" question
[21:48] <AlanBell> Sladen is joining in nicely on the gnome bug :)
[21:48] <Pendulum> AlanBell: well he was the person who filed the bug for me originally :)
[21:48] <Pendulum> he's poked me to comment
[21:48] <Pendulum> I'm just failing to remember my bugzilla login info
[21:49] <AlanBell> yup
[21:51] <charlie-tca> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dasher/+bug/637747 is no longer private
[21:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 637747 in dasher (Ubuntu) "dasher crashed with SIGSEGV in Dasher::CDasherModel::HandleOutput() (affects: 1) (heat: 12)" [Medium,New]
[21:52] <charlie-tca> apport bug reports are automatically marked private until we can check to make sure there is no private information in them
[21:52] <Pendulum> AlanBell: that's the one that was fixed in Maverick, yes?
[21:52] <Pendulum> AlanBell: okay, have found my username. now to try to remember password...
[21:53] <Pendulum> argh. it's telling me that neither e-mail address I could have used is a valid log-in
[21:54] <charlie-tca> AlanBell, Pendulum : if you let me know these bug numbers, I can make them public for us
[21:55] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: we're talking about some gnome bugs, mostly
[21:55] <AlanBell> Pendulum: that is similar to the crash that was fixed, but it is new
[21:55] <AlanBell> thanks charlie-tca 
[21:57] <AlanBell> https://launchpad.net/~alanbell/+archive/ppa dasher 4.11 built for Lucid daily (Maverick build is not working for some reason right now)
[21:59] <Pendulum> I notice the GTK errors that show up if you run direct mode were reported 2 years ago as a gnome bug and still haven't been fixed :-/
[22:00] <Pendulum> I really wish I knew how to help
[22:00] <Pendulum> obviously I need to relearn coding ;-)
[22:01] <Pendulum> or at least C
[22:01] <Pendulum> (I have yet to see a good argument about why I should relearn java ;-) )
[22:02] <AlanBell> would dasher work well with multitouch or on a tablet thingummy?
[22:03] <Pendulum> it does :)
[22:04] <AlanBell> ok, so there are about 3 squillion touch sessions at UDS
[22:04] <AlanBell> it will be a touchy feely UDS
[22:04] <AlanBell> and they should be talking about Dasher
[22:04] <Pendulum> or at least, it works well on my mac trackpad and it works well with my wacom tablet (when I have Ubuntu set up correctly for the Wacom)
[22:05] <AlanBell> so rather than learning C, get 20 C programmers excited by it and see what happens
[22:13] <Pendulum> but I liked C
[22:13] <Pendulum> ;-)
[22:13] <Pendulum> but, yes, I'm going to try
[22:13] <AlanBell> do both then!
[22:13] <Pendulum> not to mention the on screen keyboard session
[22:14] <Pendulum> I am sad that sladen isn't making it to UDS :(
[22:15] <AlanBell> oh, didn't realise, that is a shame
[22:15] <AlanBell> it will be light on Brits all round
[22:15] <Pendulum> something where he would have been taking a boat that left 4 October, but then he didn't make it on the boat or something
[22:17] <AlanBell> whut? he was taking a boat to Florida??
[22:22] <Pendulum> yes
[22:22] <Pendulum> because this time of year if you book last minute, transatlantic crossings to the US are cheap
[22:23] <Pendulum> because places are moving their boats from the Med to the Caribbean
[22:23] <Pendulum> s/places/companies
[22:38] <AlanBell> wow
[23:03] <AlanBell> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~alanbell/+recipe/daily-dash-of-dasher
[23:07] <AlanBell> http://www.doctort.org/adam/nerd-notes/x11-fake-keypress-event.html this is the kind of thing that dasher does on the inside with that XTestFakeKeyEvent stuff