[08:50] <zniavre_> new indicator-sound scale is tricky as gnome-panel
[08:52] <zniavre_> sorry...  good morning
[08:52] <thorwil> good morning!
[08:55] <zniavre_> im now struggling with gtkrc for google chrome web-browser
[08:56] <zniavre_> http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/6255/captureup.png >   for this small insensitive menu-button border
[13:28] <thorwil> i have to move the wm buttons to the right on my mother's laptop. gconftool-2 --set “/apps/metacity/general/button_layout” --type string “:minimize,maximize,close”
[13:29] <thorwil> works, except i only get minimiz, maximize, no close button
[13:29] <thorwil> anyone seen that, knows a solution?
[13:43] <zniavre> “menu:minimize,maximize,close” ?
[14:06] <zniavre> there is a way to use translucide image with pixmap engine?
[14:41] <thorwil> no matter what, i do, "close" is ignored. no friggin close button
[14:46] <thorwil> ah, ":minimize,maximize,close," fixed it. note the comma at the end
[15:41] <vish> zniavre ¦ doesnt any image work?  what is the problem with a semi-transparent image you noticed?
[15:45] <zniavre> i made a semi transparent image but it's not transparent in use
[15:46] <zniavre> it's for menu's background
[16:18] <vish> zniavre ¦ i dont think it that would work, i was thinking about the metacity buttons..
[16:47] <zniavre> vish,  you are right, it's not possible at this moment to do it
[16:47] <vish> zniavre ¦ how gtk does is, it first draws a background with bg-color and then uses the pixmap
[16:48] <vish> so no transparency possible unless it is in the engine..
[16:51] <zniavre> and pixmap does not do transparency right?
[16:51] <vish> afaik, no..
[16:51] <zniavre> pixmap-engine*
[17:22] <doctormo> Morning all
[17:23] <zniavre> doctormo,  good "evening"   :o)
[17:23] <vish> good night :)
[17:23]  * vish  ZZZzzzzzzz...
[17:23] <doctormo> lol
[17:31] <daker> morning doctormo
[17:31] <thorwil> aloha
[17:32] <ronnie_vd_c> doctormo, daker, thorwil, anything i can do for now for erato?
[17:33] <daker> doctormo, are able to run erato ?
[17:33] <doctormo> ronnie_vd_c: I just merged in your latest trunk
[17:35] <doctormo> daker: I merged in a lot of your changes too, but I had to do yours manually. So you'll have to mark your branch in launchpad.
[17:35] <thorwil> ronnie_vd_c: not for what there is now, but if you are interested, it would be great to have concurrent editing (like etherpad) figured out.
[17:36] <thorwil> ronnie_vd_c: and/or how to best combine bzr or git based version management with a database to do queries
[17:37] <doctormo> daker: Everything's working here.
[17:37] <daker> oki man
[17:39] <ronnie_vd_c> for another project, ill use phpmyadmin with mysql database. when the database is upgraded, i export the new database content (only the necessary data) into one sql file. the other users, runs a script, which deletes an own database and import the new one. Do you have an proposal for an better idea?
[17:39] <doctormo> Even the openid and logging in, nice work.
[17:39] <daker> ;)
[17:39] <doctormo> thorwil: I think I might have the know how to do the bzr intergration.
[17:40] <ronnie_vd_c> doctormo, wherefore do you need an etherpad alternative?
[17:40] <doctormo> I don't, see thorwil
[17:41] <thorwil> ronnie_vd_c: parts of the site will play a role similar to a wiki. concurrent editing avoids locking and edit conflicts
[17:42] <thorwil> ronnie_vd_c: i'd like to see blocks of content that are editable after a single click (if not immediately), without a page reload
[17:44] <doctormo> thorwil: Is it more important for coders to be doing research, or programming? or are we almost finished with this level 1?
[17:45] <thorwil> doctormo: i figure coordinating 3 coders working on a currently narrow project is not necesarily of advantage
[17:45] <thorwil> doctormo: research beats idling
[17:46] <thorwil> and if nothing else, ronnie_vd_c now knows about those ideas and reasoning
[17:46] <doctormo> true
[17:50] <thorwil> i guess the database will have to be kept out of the vcs and needs to track all versions of all files. well, all files we might want to query for
[17:51] <ronnie_vd_c> thorwil, you mean to research the best way to some basic ajax into django for editing without page reload?
[17:52] <thorwil> ronnie_vd_c: i assume that avoiding page reloads, doing ajax in django and concurrent editing will all be closely related
[17:54] <thorwil> perhaps we should be a bit daring and outright require javascript? assuming it will save some effort, where we would otherwise have to make sure things degrade gracefully
[17:54] <ronnie_vd_c> thorwil, the best solution for concurrent editing should be websockets, but its hard to implement in django, because it keeps 1 connection open. I dont know if django can handle that. Also its a HTML5 technique so not many browsers except FF and Chrome supports is. Al alternative way is to use comet
[17:56] <ronnie_vd_c> concurrent editing is impossible without javascript, but for other parts i agree there should be a non-js alternative. But from my limited experience, django does this job very well
[17:56] <thorwil> ronnie_vd_c: reagrding browser support, i'd say: build for the future. especially since many in our audience will stay recent, regarding updates
[17:59] <thorwil> ronnie_vd_c: seems relevant: http://www.lshift.net/blog/2009/03/02/evserver-part3-simplified-etherpad-clone
[17:59] <thorwil> also http://neil.fraser.name/writing/sync/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_transformation
[18:09]  * thorwil -> dinner
[18:20] <daker> doctormo, if the code you are using in ubuntu-us-ma website is grabing the realname, email so we should use it
[18:21] <doctormo> daker: Do you want to work on the openid if I work on the asset upload?
[18:21] <daker> ok
[20:09] <thorwil> vish: finally artwork team logo proposals. but of course not pen/paper, not presented without type, not on foopics :)
[21:07] <thorwil> doctormo: not satisfied yet, but for tonight, this is what the mockup looks like: http://www.foopics.com/showfull/05cc4fddd708942150d8335a0fdb8cae
[21:07] <thorwil> svg is in the meta-design-center branch
[21:08] <doctormo> thorwil: Interesting design, very blender like.
[21:11] <thorwil> hmm, yeah
[21:14] <thorwil> good night! :)