[08:50] new indicator-sound scale is tricky as gnome-panel [08:52] sorry... good morning [08:52] good morning! [08:55] im now struggling with gtkrc for google chrome web-browser [08:56] http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/6255/captureup.png > for this small insensitive menu-button border [13:28] i have to move the wm buttons to the right on my mother's laptop. gconftool-2 --set “/apps/metacity/general/button_layout” --type string “:minimize,maximize,close” [13:29] works, except i only get minimiz, maximize, no close button [13:29] anyone seen that, knows a solution? [13:43] “menu:minimize,maximize,close” ? [14:06] there is a way to use translucide image with pixmap engine? [14:41] no matter what, i do, "close" is ignored. no friggin close button [14:46] ah, ":minimize,maximize,close," fixed it. note the comma at the end [15:41] zniavre ¦ doesnt any image work? what is the problem with a semi-transparent image you noticed? [15:45] i made a semi transparent image but it's not transparent in use [15:46] it's for menu's background [16:18] zniavre ¦ i dont think it that would work, i was thinking about the metacity buttons.. [16:47] vish, you are right, it's not possible at this moment to do it [16:47] zniavre ¦ how gtk does is, it first draws a background with bg-color and then uses the pixmap [16:48] so no transparency possible unless it is in the engine.. [16:51] and pixmap does not do transparency right? [16:51] afaik, no.. [16:51] pixmap-engine* [17:22] Morning all [17:23] doctormo, good "evening" :o) [17:23] good night :) [17:23] * vish ZZZzzzzzzz... [17:23] lol [17:31] morning doctormo [17:31] aloha [17:32] doctormo, daker, thorwil, anything i can do for now for erato? [17:33] doctormo, are able to run erato ? [17:33] ronnie_vd_c: I just merged in your latest trunk [17:35] daker: I merged in a lot of your changes too, but I had to do yours manually. So you'll have to mark your branch in launchpad. [17:35] ronnie_vd_c: not for what there is now, but if you are interested, it would be great to have concurrent editing (like etherpad) figured out. [17:36] ronnie_vd_c: and/or how to best combine bzr or git based version management with a database to do queries [17:37] daker: Everything's working here. [17:37] oki man [17:39] for another project, ill use phpmyadmin with mysql database. when the database is upgraded, i export the new database content (only the necessary data) into one sql file. the other users, runs a script, which deletes an own database and import the new one. Do you have an proposal for an better idea? [17:39] Even the openid and logging in, nice work. [17:39] ;) [17:39] thorwil: I think I might have the know how to do the bzr intergration. [17:40] doctormo, wherefore do you need an etherpad alternative? [17:40] I don't, see thorwil [17:41] ronnie_vd_c: parts of the site will play a role similar to a wiki. concurrent editing avoids locking and edit conflicts [17:42] ronnie_vd_c: i'd like to see blocks of content that are editable after a single click (if not immediately), without a page reload [17:44] thorwil: Is it more important for coders to be doing research, or programming? or are we almost finished with this level 1? [17:45] doctormo: i figure coordinating 3 coders working on a currently narrow project is not necesarily of advantage [17:45] doctormo: research beats idling [17:46] and if nothing else, ronnie_vd_c now knows about those ideas and reasoning [17:46] true [17:50] i guess the database will have to be kept out of the vcs and needs to track all versions of all files. well, all files we might want to query for [17:51] thorwil, you mean to research the best way to some basic ajax into django for editing without page reload? [17:52] ronnie_vd_c: i assume that avoiding page reloads, doing ajax in django and concurrent editing will all be closely related [17:54] perhaps we should be a bit daring and outright require javascript? assuming it will save some effort, where we would otherwise have to make sure things degrade gracefully [17:54] thorwil, the best solution for concurrent editing should be websockets, but its hard to implement in django, because it keeps 1 connection open. I dont know if django can handle that. Also its a HTML5 technique so not many browsers except FF and Chrome supports is. Al alternative way is to use comet [17:56] concurrent editing is impossible without javascript, but for other parts i agree there should be a non-js alternative. But from my limited experience, django does this job very well [17:56] ronnie_vd_c: reagrding browser support, i'd say: build for the future. especially since many in our audience will stay recent, regarding updates [17:59] ronnie_vd_c: seems relevant: http://www.lshift.net/blog/2009/03/02/evserver-part3-simplified-etherpad-clone [17:59] also http://neil.fraser.name/writing/sync/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_transformation [18:09] * thorwil -> dinner [18:20] doctormo, if the code you are using in ubuntu-us-ma website is grabing the realname, email so we should use it [18:21] daker: Do you want to work on the openid if I work on the asset upload? [18:21] ok [20:09] vish: finally artwork team logo proposals. but of course not pen/paper, not presented without type, not on foopics :) [21:07] doctormo: not satisfied yet, but for tonight, this is what the mockup looks like: http://www.foopics.com/showfull/05cc4fddd708942150d8335a0fdb8cae [21:07] svg is in the meta-design-center branch [21:08] thorwil: Interesting design, very blender like. [21:11] hmm, yeah [21:14] good night! :)