[00:48] <sysfet> hello room
[00:50] <sysfet> trying to install wireless drivers. please help. old compaq presario 1700
[00:51] <sysfet> ^friend is on his way to surgery again and i would like to hook him up with internet access
[00:51] <sysfet> thanks...
[01:10] <johnny77> If I have both Ubuntu and Kubuntu installed and run the update manager, will it update both distributions?
[01:13] <phillw> johnny77: if you run the update from both, one will take little longer as it grabs the 'core' stuff, then the specicfic stuff, on the other one it will realise the 'core' stuff is there and only update the bits it needs to.
[01:15] <johnny77> phillw, thank you.
[01:23] <johnny77> Anyone know why I get this dialog box in Kubunutu? [IMG]http://i52.tinypic.com/af7wxj.png[/IMG]
[01:28] <phillw> johnny77: I've kidnapped one of the kubutnu team, DarkwingDuck. he will be best able to help you.
[01:28] <DarkwingDuck> Hey johnny77 what's the issue?
[01:29] <johnny77> I installed Kubuntu through an installation of Ubuntu. I get this dialog box sometiimes while I'm in Kubuntu.  http://tinypic.com/r/af7wxj/7
[01:30] <DarkwingDuck> johnny77: what plasmoids do you have running on your desktop?
[01:31] <johnny77> DarkwingDuck, what are plasmoids?
[01:31] <DarkwingDuck> johnny77: they are the widgets on the desktop
[01:33] <DarkwingDuck> johnny77: something running is trying to access an api for opendesktop.org.
[01:34] <DarkwingDuck> the user/pass that is being asked is from a running program.
[01:34] <DarkwingDuck> johnny77: only reason I can think of is that one of the programs in the startup or, a widget is trying to access that.
[01:34] <DarkwingDuck> johnny77: if there is a microblogging widget that might be it. Or, it could be a opendesktop news ticker.
[01:35] <DarkwingDuck> johnny77: I would check the widgets that are running on your desktop and see if those are trying to access it.
[01:35] <johnny77> DarkwingDuck, I'm running the netbook version and have a few in the panel at the top of the sceen.. but nothing not "out of the box"
[01:35] <johnny77> What is it trying to access?
[01:35] <DarkwingDuck> johnny77: the newbook version? Okay, click over to page one.
[01:36] <DarkwingDuck> *netbook
[01:36] <DarkwingDuck> There should be some widgets there.
[01:36] <johnny77> DarkwingDuck, there is news, weather and knowledge base.
[01:37] <DarkwingDuck> One of those might be doing it. Remove them and restart and see if it is still doing that.
[01:38] <DarkwingDuck> BRB
[01:48] <DarkwingDuck> johnny77: did it work?
[01:50] <standforth> aveileux: Been waiting for you to come back. Here's how your allocate_join works. First the char* variable is defined. Then sizeof is evaluated (this could be compile-time or run-time, it seems) then malloc is called. Then the void* is cast to char*, and finally, the assignment is made to c_p. This is the order due to operator precedence, as shown here: http://www.difranco.net/cop2220/op-prec.htm So it's all good.
[01:50] <jdmcclung> DarkwingDuck, yes it did thank you.
[01:51] <DarkwingDuck> jdmcclung: anytime. :)
[02:20] <Vinny_M_P> has anyone had success with hplip and 64 bit ?
[02:21] <aveilleux> Vinny_M_P: It works fine for me
[02:21] <bobo123> Good evening
[02:21] <Vinny_M_P> I can get it to work 32 bit
[02:21] <bobo123> If when I want to turn off ubuntu an dialogbox popps up that a Program is still running, is it possible to find out what process?
[02:22] <bobo123> the dialogbox only says Unknown Doesnt answer. I don't have any program running, but I assume there is some process running that shouln't.... how do I find out which process listed in ps -ax  it is that fails...?
[02:22] <Vinny_M_P> The problem is that I have a 9800D running through a Zyxell print srever
[02:23] <bobo123> Sure I could just press the "Turn off anyway" button, but I don't want it to happen again
[02:27] <bobo123> I am running Ubuntu 10.04 if that helps.... and I just want to know what process it can be that fails to exit, since the 'a program still running'-dialogbox only says 'unknown'.
[02:28] <bobo123>  (since this is swedish it really says "Ett program körs fortfarande:" "Okänt" "Svarar inte" but that would be "A program is still running:" "Unknown" "Does not answer" in english)
[02:28] <Cheri703> someone else I know had that issue, if a solution is found, I'd be interested
[02:34] <bobo123> Mmm... I'll save a ps and a top and get back here during daytime and ask again if someone knows
[03:51] <nhandler> By any chance does anyone here have a Pogoplug ?
[04:14] <sysanom_0> hello all, I am running ubuntu L.L. thru virtualbox on a 4-year old laptop; I have installed KDE just to check it out and see how it differs from Gnome. I did notice that when running KDE, ubuntu seems a bit sluggish; Is KDE more cpu intensive than Gnome? just wonderin
[04:16] <sysanom_0> If this is the wrong channel for this sort of question, I apologize; and also maybe point me in the right direction?? :O)
[04:20] <aveilleux> sysanom_0: Yes, KDE is more processor-intensive.
[04:23] <sysanom_0> thanks aveilleux, I wasn't sure if it was maybe because it was the second of the two and there was some behind the scenes stuff that was causing the lag.
[04:31] <paultag> nhandler, not I, I've always wanted one
[04:39] <nhandler> paultag: I got a free pogoplug, but since it isn't the shivaplug or one of the other more dev-oriented devices, I haven't been able to find a way to put Ubuntu or Debian on it
[04:40] <paultag> nhandler, Ohhhhh
[04:40] <paultag> those things rock
[04:40] <paultag> let me research. I read something a while ago about it
[04:40] <paultag> pogoplug-open or something
[04:40] <paultag> Oh no
[04:40] <paultag> here it is nhandler -- http://hackaday.com/2009/08/21/openpogo-an-alternative-to-pogoplug-software/
[04:41] <paultag> nhandler, looks like openpogo is archlinux
[04:41] <nhandler> paultag: I've seen that. I'm still trying to find a way to boot a normal ubuntu/debian machine
[04:42] <paultag> nhandler, and if you can get arch on it -- you can use that to bootstrap it
[04:42] <nhandler> paultag: It isn't exactly arch, but it is based on it
[04:42] <paultag> nhandler, use the arch boot manager to do a copy2ram on the plug, and then port debootstrap over, then use that to bootstrap the ROM while still on arch
[04:42] <paultag> nhandler, then from there, reboot into Debian
[04:42] <paultag> I did that with something else of mine
[04:43] <paultag> Oh yes, that computer that could only boot SLAX over the network
[04:43] <paultag> I used SLAX to install Debian. It was pretty cool
[04:44]  * nhandler should probably fix up the messed up internet connection on the device first so it can actually download files again
[07:52] <shahan> problem on browsing http://www.somewhereinblog.net on Maverick Meerkat. Its loading the mobile version of the site and its on Firefox 3.6.11 (3.6.10 has the same issue.)  . But it works good on Lucid
[07:53] <shahan> I think its the Maverick issue, not the Firefox issue as I have tried it on Lucid with the Firefox 3.6.10
[07:53] <shahan> Its an fresh installation of Maverick Meerakt 32bit desktop edition
[07:53] <slooksterpsv> hmmm shahan I just tried it on my maverick it does the same, lets see... gonna try something
[07:56] <slooksterpsv> haha I just changed the about:config for agent from maverick to lucid and version 10.10 to 10.04 and it shows fine now
[07:57] <slooksterpsv> it detects the word maverick so far as I can tell, trying a few other things
[07:58] <slooksterpsv> it dtects part of the word maverick - just the maveric part and that's when it shows it in the mobile version, not sure if maveric means something or that
[08:00] <shahan> slooksterpsv: how to change 10.10 to 10.04
[08:00] <shahan> ?
[08:00] <slooksterpsv> shahan: nope stays the same, 10.10 and 10.04 don't do anything, just where the user agent of the browser contains maveric - just that small amount there (with or without the k) it goes to mobile
[08:01] <shahan> slooksterpsv: wow....
[08:03] <slooksterpsv> shahan: if you want we can change the user agent information to be lucid, really won't hurt but a few pages (e.g. playdeb.net/getdeb.net, which I enable the lucid repos for that one anyways)
[08:03] <shahan> slooksterpsv: hmm, but we should find out a real solution
[08:03] <shahan> slooksterpsv: thats not a real solution... right?
[08:03] <slooksterpsv> shahan: it's something with how they coded the site for detecting mobile platforms
[08:04] <slooksterpsv> shahan: it will work, it is a valid fix and firefox even has an addon to change the useragent information
[08:04] <shahan> slooksterpsv: hmm
[08:04] <shahan> slooksterpsv: ok...
[14:13] <genupulas> komputes,  i have dome upgrade from internet
[14:15] <AbhiJit> anyone with gambas knowlegdge here can help me?
[14:16] <genupulas> http://gigapedia.info/1/gambas
[14:16] <genupulas> look this
[15:08] <kristian-aalborg> ls
[15:08] <kristian-aalborg> sorry ;
[15:08] <kristian-aalborg> ;)
[15:08] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[15:08] <kristian-aalborg> I need update-grub to find my puppy install
[15:09] <kristian-aalborg> where should I put the puppy folder?
[16:26] <pjcbaseball> very ne wto ubuntu
[16:26] <slooksterpsv> how are you pjcbaseball
[16:26] <pjcbaseball> doing OK getting around I think
[16:27] <pjcbaseball> I do have a question...
[16:27] <slooksterpsv> go ahead, we're glad to help :D
[16:28] <pjcbaseball> I somehow now have a split pane while viewing firefox/facebook and I cant find a way to get rid of it....any suggestions?
[16:29] <slooksterpsv> I'm not sure I understand exactly, is this all in firefox, it's splitting two web pages into their own panes or is this like two apps firefox and gwibber for example?
[16:30] <pjcbaseball> I remember seeing something about a "side pane", when I go into firefox and I have google as the home page...
[16:30] <slooksterpsv> ok so whats in the other pane? if one has facebook, whats the other one contain or that?
[16:30] <pjcbaseball> I then go to bookmarks and select facebook login page, it comes up in a split screen type
[16:31] <pjcbaseball> I have the FB login and app on one side and google home page on the other side
[16:32] <slooksterpsv> ok could you take a screenshot as well as go to Tools -> Addons -> Extensions and see which ones you have installed
[16:33] <slooksterpsv> sounds like fox splitter may be installed
[16:33] <pjcbaseball> how do i show you the screenshot?
[16:35] <pjcbaseball> I have a screenshot of the screen I am talking about as well
[16:35] <slooksterpsv> actually do this first, go to your bookmarks bar, then right-click on the item that shows in the splitter and go to properties, see if the bottom checkbox is checked
[16:35] <slooksterpsv> you would have to upload it to imageshack.us or photobucket or that
[16:36] <paultag> !pastebin
[16:36] <ubot2> For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[16:36] <paultag> !screenshots
[16:36] <ubot2> Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://tinyurl.com/imagebin and post a link to it.
[16:36] <paultag> that's the one
[16:36] <paultag> :)
[16:37] <slooksterpsv> yay paultag I still learning ubottu
[16:37] <pjcbaseball> OK, it WASchecked in the properties box. I unchecked it and all is OK now. Much thanks for the tip.
[16:37] <slooksterpsv> you're welcome =D
[16:43] <switchgirl> 13988772
[16:47] <slooksterpsv> hi switchgirl not sure what the number you posted is
[16:47] <aveilleux> slooksterpsv: It could be a seeecret number, ooooooooo
[16:47] <switchgirl> end transmission
[16:48]  * aveilleux is in a goofy mood, don't mind her
[16:48] <slooksterpsv> dang I missed the transmission lol - i know i'm in a goofy mood today too don't mind me
[16:48] <slooksterpsv> like transmission the program?
[16:55] <aveilleux> slooksterpsv: I assume they mean as in... end radio transmission.
[16:55] <slooksterpsv> 13988772 - do I win?
[16:56] <slooksterpsv> ok I'm OT, going back to #ubuntu-beginners-team
[16:57] <paultag> hobgoblin, prod
[16:57] <hobgoblin> prod?
[16:58] <hobgoblin> prod me - do you think that's safe?
[16:58] <paultag> hobgoblin, I just got the wiki edits -- are you dropping your padawan?
[17:12] <Mjiig> aveilleux: did you get an answer from a more experienced programmer about your C problem?
[17:13] <aveilleux> Mjiig: *points at standforth* yeah
[17:13] <Mohan_chml> Mjiig: #ubuntu-beginners-team for offtoic ;)
[17:14] <hobgoblin> how is asking someone if they got help offtopic in a help channel?
[17:15] <Mjiig> Mohan_chml: i'm asking because it affects me as well, i'm kind of asking for support
[17:15] <Mjiig> but ok :)
[17:15] <Mohan_chml> Hola hobgoblin. and Mjiig Sorry. I thought you are asking about his programming
[17:16] <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin: I thought it was offtopic :(
[17:18] <standforth> Mjiig: the answer is way above somewhere. I can give it again if you like.
[17:18] <paultag> what C problem?
[17:18] <paultag> Mohan_chml, yeah, this is on-topic, dawg
[17:18] <aveilleux> paultag: It was a question of why char *p_c = (char *)malloc( sizeof ( char ) ) ; worked properly
[17:19] <paultag> aveilleux, ahhh, cute problem :)
[17:19] <paultag> aveilleux, Did you ever figure it out?
[17:19] <paultag> the solution is nifty
[17:19] <aveilleux> paultag: standforth explained the operator precedence that I was overlooking
[17:20] <aveilleux> paultag: And the order in which the expressions get evaluated
[17:20] <paultag> standforth, are you sure that's right?
[17:20] <paultag> aveilleux, I think I see it another way ( perhaps I've been doing kernel level stuff for too long )
[17:21] <aveilleux> paultag: Well I'm open to suggestions
[17:21] <standforth> paultag: yes.
[17:21] <paultag> OK
[17:21] <paultag> aveilleux, then listen to standforth. I might be reading it wrong
[17:22] <Mjiig> paultag: just out of interest what were you going to say?
[17:22] <standforth> paultag: the only question I'm not sure of is whether sizeof is an operator (as it was originally) but is now implemented as a library fufnction.
[17:23] <aveilleux> standforth: afaik it's an operator. At least emacs says so with its syntax highlighting, and I haven't seen anything that suggests otherwise (I was taught on gcc)
[17:23] <paultag> Mjiig, I was going to make the argument that a char is a word in size ( in memory ), and so is a pointer address, and that you're just allocating pointer memory address space, but that would be a char **, so I think I'm wrong.
[17:24] <paultag> but that's also silly because a char * would have to be bigger then a char, since I don't think it uses a whole word
[17:25] <paultag> if I remember some of my work from last year, my pointer memory sizes were 4 bytes(?) and chars should be one byte
[17:25] <paultag> aveilleux, so the more I think about it, the more standforth is convincing me
[17:25] <aveilleux> paultag: That's how it is on the RHEL system I was operating on
[17:26] <paultag> yeah, my first read is wrong
[17:27] <standforth> aveilleux: C types used to have specified lengths so sizeof was an operator. I'm not sure if the current C specifications continue with fixed sizes. If not, then sizeof needs to be a function to determine size at run-time instead of compile-time. I haven't programmed C for since around '98. I use Java since then.
[17:27] <paultag> standforth, I'm pretty sure they still have static sizes
[17:28] <Mjiig> standforth: i thought you could change the sizes but no one ever did, but i could well be wrong, I don't use C much
[17:28] <paultag> Mjiig, I'm pretty sure that size allocation is deterministic and can be worked out at compile time
[17:28] <paultag> unless the malloc is dynamic, which I guess it is
[17:30] <paultag> yeah, I guess sizeof has to be a library call, because you can allocate memory to an array and do a sizeof against it to work out the elements inside, and if you pull the allocation number to throw to malloc from a non-deterministic input, the sizeof can't predict it at runtime
[17:30] <paultag> Erm, compiletime
[17:36] <standforth> paultag: here's what raised the question "C99 also allows variable length arrays where the length is specified at runtime [1]. In such cases the sizeof operator is evaluated in part at runtime to determine the storage occupied by the array." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sizeof
[17:36] <paultag> ah, interesting
[17:37] <paultag> yeah, thats what I was guessing
[17:37] <paultag> standforth, what had me tripped up was that sizeof comes free with the compiler, so I assumed it was the compiler doing the baby making
[17:37] <Mjiig> most of this is now going way over my head :)
[17:38] <paultag> Mjiig, nah, it's not that bad
[17:41] <Cheri703> any way to natively (or from within the program via plugin or whatever)  export an image from inkscape as a jpeg?
[17:41] <Cheri703> I need to simplify a process for someone
[17:42] <Cheri703> and it is annoying/complicated (for a novice) to create the image as needed fully in gimp, and too many steps to have to export as png, then convert, etc
[17:44] <standforth> Mjiig: Kernighan and Ritchie is still the place to start IMO.
[17:49] <standforth> Cheri703: is all you need a jpeg? You can do a save as from Gimp directly to jpeg.
[17:49] <Cheri703> it's a matter of HOW it is created
[17:50] <Cheri703> they need to conglomerate many images into a page sized file, and the place they need to use it only takes jpg. Inkscape is MUCH easier for the creation process, gimp allows export as jpg but is complex to create the image
[17:50] <Cheri703> it's annoying for ME to use gimp and I'm remotely familiar with it
[17:51] <Cheri703> it's fairly inflexible when trying to move things around and such
[17:54] <standforth> Cheri703: I used to use Photoshop so Gimp is not a problem for me. For page layout, which is what It sounds like you need, I don't know an open source equivalent for say, PageMaker. But can't you use OpenOffice for that?
[17:54] <Cheri703> the client uses windows
[17:57] <Cheri703> basically I need to make this as painless as possible because we are trying to show them that our equipment is able to do the same (or equivalent) as their current equipment, and it is VERY easy to make with their current setup
[17:57] <aveilleux> Cheri703: You can export as PNG from Inkscape, then write a very simple script to use Imagemagick's convert utility to convert them all to JPG
[17:58] <Cheri703> not in windows...(as far as I know)
[17:58] <aveilleux> Cheri703: Ohh, this is all in Windows? Good luck, then
[17:58] <Cheri703> :(
[17:58] <Cheri703> I will probably just end up making the files for them, as they'll only need new ones if they get new employees
[17:59] <Cheri703> *real estate agents
[17:59] <aveilleux> Cheri703: I don't mean that in a sarcastic manner, I just know of very little proper image conversion tools on Windows
[17:59] <aveilleux> very few*
[17:59] <Cheri703> yeah
[17:59] <Cheri703> figures
[18:01] <standforth> Cheri703: how do they do it now with their current setup?
[18:02] <Cheri703> they can just create whatever file and the software for the printer converts it to whatever it needs
[18:02] <Cheri703> :(
[18:06] <standforth> Cheri703: so you are replacing printers but want to keep the same doc creation process?
[18:07] <Cheri703> we need the same document output, process can be different, but needs to be as easy as possible
[18:09] <standforth> I see, hmm...
[18:11] <Cheri703> :/ yeah
[18:11] <standforth> Cheri703: and the document output is what, MS Office?
[18:11] <Cheri703> for today I can created however I need to, but long term I need it to be easy (or else get a call every time they change formats)
[18:12] <Cheri703> they need to be able to print basically custom letterhead on ANY document. currently their konica printer can do this by them making a file, then saving it as a "kmf" file, which they can then select to add to the printed output
[18:12] <Cheri703> with the xerox machine that we are going to be selling them, it has to be a jpeg and put in as a full density watermark
[18:13] <Cheri703> so the creation of the jpeg is important (as is consistency across all created)
[18:13] <Cheri703> the file gets loaded into the print driver and is selected at print time
[18:16] <Cheri703> since inkscape is free and is better than mspaint, I'd like to get it so they could just use that. if they HAD to use gimp, I guess that's ok, it's just a mess (for a non-skilled user) to put together multiple images, "open, select, copy, paste as layer, whoops, wrong size, go back to original, scale, copy, paste as layer, move it around, etc, etc"
[18:18] <standforth> Cheri703: so your problem is to easily create and import a jpeg? Or just the jpeg creation part?
[18:19] <Cheri703> it's the creation part. the import is handled easily, it's the "here's a photo of the agent, here's our logo, here's some text, here's the watermark, here's the info for the bottom of the page, let's put it all together in an 8.5x11 jpeg file"
[18:19] <standforth> okay, got it.
[18:21] <Cheri703> and the only way (that I know of) in gimp is to put them in as different layers, but they're awkward to readjust
[18:21] <Cheri703> perhaps there's some fantastically simple way that I just don't know about
[18:25] <standforth> Cheri703: let me look around a bit.
[18:26] <kristian-aalborg> Cheri703: imagemagic?
[18:29] <Cheri703> windows kristian-aalborg
[18:29] <kristian-aalborg> Cheri703: there is a port, I believe
[18:29] <Cheri703> and fairly novice computer users
[18:33] <standforth> Cheri703: so you like Inkscape, but it won't output jpeg?
[18:37] <Cheri703> yeah
[18:37] <Cheri703> inkscape is MUCH easier to work with "import, adjust, import, adjust, DONE"
[18:43] <Mjiig> Cheri703: remind me why you can't just use a converter? i forgot your answer
[18:43] <Cheri703> well, I'd prefer to avoid that step, and they'd be using xp or win7
[18:43] <Mjiig> so it's just a matter of ease?
[18:44] <Cheri703> that step, yes
[18:45] <Cheri703> well, mainly. I want a painless way to do this
[18:45] <Cheri703> painless for someone who considers himself skilled at computers because he can put together forms in Word and the rest of the staff can't
[18:46] <Mjiig> just as a potential idea (not sure if it would work) but if you could find a command line converter and wright a batch script you could make the conversion as easy as drag and drop
[18:46] <Mjiig> *write
[18:46] <Cheri703> but in windows?
[18:47] <Mjiig> yeah batch is like window's version of bash
[18:47] <Cheri703> k
[18:47] <Mjiig> although i'm not sure about the syntax of the script
[18:47] <standforth> Cheri703: have you looked at OpenOffice Draw?
[18:48] <Cheri703> I considered it, but I don't want to make them install something that big just for something they'll use occasionally...
[18:48] <Cheri703> sorry, I really do appreciate the efforts to help! I'm not trying to be difficult
[18:49] <Mjiig> just out of interest, you said they had an easy system already? what is that and what's wrong with it?
[18:50] <Cheri703> it is part of their current printer's driver. that is a konica, we are (hopefully/probably) selling them a xerox machine
[18:50] <Cheri703> so they need to duplicate the output: custom letterhead on ANY printed document, without having that same method available
[18:51] <Mjiig> i see
[18:54] <Cheri703> and considering that EVERYONE that my boss contacted said that our machine couldn't do it at all, and I found a way, I'd like to make it easier on the client. as I said, I can just make them myself if needed. we'll see
[19:00] <Silver_Fox_> Bonjour
[19:09] <aveilleux> Alo
[19:48] <ehcah> If I'm running a test server in Virtual Box that can be configured via a web browser, is there any way to configure the virtual machine to be part of my LAN?
[19:49] <ehcah> As it stands now.  My LAN is on a .2. subnet and the Virtual Machine is .0.
[20:00] <Cheri703> yes, one sec
[20:00] <Cheri703> *should be
[20:01] <Cheri703> I take it you're running server edition? therefore no gui?
[20:03] <aveilleux> Cheri703: Last I checked, VBox doesn't have a CLImmode
[20:03] <aveilleux> SLI mode*
[20:03] <Cheri703> I don't know what you mean
[20:04]  * Cheri703 is combining knowledge of different topics to infer that there may be an answer to this problem
[20:04]  * Cheri703 is also fighting a cold so could be WAY off
[20:09] <pleia2> I suspect you need a bridged interface on the host, and then you add the virtalbox host to that
[20:09] <pleia2> (that's how kvm and xen do it)
[20:10] <Cheri703> virtualbox lets you bridge stuff, so does vmware
[20:11] <Dondermans> Hello, I would like advice on allocating drive space for a dual boot (WINXP/Ubuntu 10.10) system please.
[20:12] <slooksterpsv> Dondermans: how much space is XP using atm
[20:12] <Dondermans> 60GB
[20:12] <Dondermans> I am working from Windows XP at the moment
[20:12] <Dondermans> and have got Ubuntu ready to go on a pendrive
[20:12] <slooksterpsv> and how large is your drive
[20:12] <Dondermans> 160GB
[20:13] <Dondermans> with 1TB external drive for storage and backup purposes
[20:13] <slooksterpsv> are you wanting to just try it out at expense of slight performance or do you want it to have it's own partition
[20:13] <Dondermans> The latter please, the former implies a Wubi install, which I did a few months back (I decided Ubuntu is a keeper)
[20:14] <slooksterpsv> perfect; Ubuntu will actually resize the drive for you when you install, you tell it how much space you want to allocate to it and it will resize the volume
[20:14] <slooksterpsv> it'll have a slider you can move; if you'd like I can screenshot it for you, just need to start a vm
[20:15] <ehcah> aveilleux, Cheri703:  Were those comments intended for me?
[20:15] <Cheri703> yes, what virtual machine program are you using?
[20:15] <aveilleux> ehcah: I... guess?
[20:16] <ehcah> I am running the latest version of Oracle Virtual Machine.  I am trying to get Astericks FreePBX running.  I beleive it uses CentOS as its backend.
[20:16] <Dondermans> @ slooksterpsv: May I ask you to view the thread here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10005914#post10005914
[20:16] <slooksterpsv> absolutely
[20:16] <Dondermans> thank you kindly
[20:17] <Cheri703> ok
[20:17] <Cheri703> virtual machine or virtualbox?
[20:18] <ehcah> VirtualBox
[20:18] <Dondermans> @ slooksterpsv: I gathered from the Dutch forum that a swap of 5GB is not really neccessary, the recommendation I read is supposed to originate from the era in which RAM was more expensive than it is to do
[20:18] <slooksterpsv> ok pros with that is your home is it's own partition, cons is if you need more space for apps, you'd have to reinstall
[20:18] <Dondermans> day
[20:19] <ehcah> I changed the eth0 properties to reflect my LAN.  But when do "ip a", it shows me a different IP alltogether.
[20:19] <slooksterpsv> yeah my swap is actually 8GB on mine and I have 4GB, but still never know when I'd choke the system with doing abcdefghijkl instead of abcd and have the extra swap avail, so yeah 5gb is overkill but can be nice in the longrun
[20:19] <slooksterpsv> ehcah is it bridged or nat? sounds like nat
[20:19] <aveilleux> slooksterpsv: No, you don't have to reinstall. You can resize partitions.
[20:20] <slooksterpsv> ehach nvm strike my comment lol
[20:20] <ehcah> slooksterpsv. k.
[20:20] <slooksterpsv> aveilleux: oh really? I thought for root you had to reformat or boot into gparted to resize /
[20:20] <Cheri703> ehcah: look in the bottom right, there should be an icon that looks like a network thingy
[20:21] <aveilleux> slooksterpsv: Uh, yeah, so you make a gparted livecd and resize the partitions.
[20:21] <Dondermans> @ slooksterpsv: I suppose applications go into the /home folder?
[20:21] <aveilleux> slooksterpsv: Also I've never needed more than about 2GB of swap
[20:21] <aveilleux> Dondermans: Applications are installed into /opt, /bin, or /usr
[20:21] <slooksterpsv> Dondermans: usually apps to go /opt or /usr/bin or that, /home some apps may like Heros of Newerth
[20:21] <ehcah> Cheri703: Found it.  It is defaulted to NAT.
[20:21] <Cheri703> ok, change it to bridged
[20:22] <slooksterpsv> ehcah - I reinstate my comment haha
[20:22] <ehcah> LOL
[20:22] <ehcah> Done.  I assume I need to reboot so it picks up the local settings?
[20:23] <Cheri703> probably
[20:23] <slooksterpsv> Dondermans: let me tell you the size of my directories other than /home for all I have installed
[20:23] <slooksterpsv> ehcah: no you don't
[20:23] <slooksterpsv> ehcah: just renew the ip address
[20:23] <Dondermans> @ slooksterpsv: my thoughts exactly, I'd like to know what size I should reckon with
[20:23] <ehcah> sudo chclient eth0  ?
[20:23] <ehcah> dh*
[20:24] <Cheri703> slooksterpsv: might just be easier to reboot it
[20:24] <Cheri703> when in doubt (and it won't lose needed info) reboot! :)
[20:24] <ehcah> AWESOME
[20:24] <ehcah> :)
[20:24] <Cheri703> working?
[20:24] <ehcah> Yep.  If only attaching USB drives was that easy!  LOL
[20:24] <slooksterpsv> hahaha 4.1gb for / taking out home
[20:25] <Cheri703> if you get the non-ose version, you can do usb drives
[20:25] <Cheri703> I just installed vmware last night, it is friendly with usb drives as well
[20:25] <ehcah> I am using the PUEL version.
[20:25] <n8ofsp8ds> hey guys my mouse keeps freezing everytime i  boot up to ubuntu
[20:25] <n8ofsp8ds> it moves allittle bit
[20:25] <Cheri703> I don't even know what that is ehcah
[20:25] <n8ofsp8ds> then freezes
[20:25] <n8ofsp8ds> everthing else works
[20:25] <slooksterpsv> n8ofsp8ds: laptop or desktop?
[20:25] <n8ofsp8ds> desktoop
[20:25] <Dondermans> @ slooksterpsv: for the partition that mounts at / that is, am I right in thinking that the bulk of the /home folder is "Downloads", "Documents", etc.?
[20:26] <ehcah> Cheri703:  I tried VMware but I didn't think they had a non time-bomb version before you pay....  PUEL, as I understand it, is the version you download from OpenBox.org and has built in USB support.
[20:26] <slooksterpsv> Dondermans: yeah for me is .VirtualBox and Downloads, cause I do a lot of VMs and have a lot of ISOs of various Linux distros
[20:26] <Cheri703> ah, ok ehcah, vmware player is (apparently?) free or so I'm led to believe
[20:27] <ehcah> It's not for sure in the Windows world.  :(
[20:27] <slooksterpsv> Cheri703: yes, a certain version
[20:27] <slooksterpsv> n8ofsp8ds: hmmm what version of ubuntu
[20:27] <n8ofsp8ds> 10.10
[20:28] <slooksterpsv> n8ofsp8ds: the reason I ask is cause with earlier versions of the kernel initial boot my mouse wouldn't work, I'd have to put my machine to sleep then bring it up to get the  mouse to work
[20:28] <n8ofsp8ds> it happens on the live cd aswell
[20:28] <ehcah> While we're on the subject of VirtualBox... Can I shrink a VDI size?  For some stupid reason, I created my Win7 drive at 60GB and it probably really only needs 35-40.
[20:28] <n8ofsp8ds> i thought it might been a broken package
[20:28] <Dondermans> slooksterpsv: how much size does your Ubuntu installation consume (/home not included)
[20:28] <n8ofsp8ds> but im confused now
[20:29] <slooksterpsv> Dondermans: about 1.5GB I believe
[20:29] <n8ofsp8ds> i dual boot with win7 and no problem in win7
[20:29] <n8ofsp8ds> but everytime i boot up to ubuntu that problem occurs
[20:29] <n8ofsp8ds> it came out of nowhere
[20:30] <n8ofsp8ds> been using ubuntu for 2mths
[20:30] <Dondermans> slooksterpsv: am I correct in thinking that 20GB for the Ubuntu installation, 5GB for swap and some 68GB won't cause me to reinstall Ubuntu due to space constraints?
[20:31] <bioterror> you wont need 5GB for swap
[20:31] <bioterror> hardly 1024MB
[20:32] <slooksterpsv> Dondermans: shouldn't I install a lot of stuff and don't clear my apt-cache so I use large amounts of memory on my / drive that I don't even realize some times
[20:32] <Dondermans> bioterror: I have read that the swap file serves two functions: 1. swap 2. as location to dump RAM when errors in RAM occur, is that correct?
[20:32] <slooksterpsv> n8ofsp8ds:  open a terminal with ALT+F2  type in gnome-terminal
[20:33] <slooksterpsv> n8ofsp8ds: then type in pm-suspend - then wake up the computer and see if the mouse works
[20:33] <bioterror> Dondermans, I have never seen a situatian where I have needed so much swap
[20:33] <slooksterpsv> dang... Ubuntu made mine oh wait 6.8GB for swap
[20:33] <bioterror> :D
[20:34] <Dondermans> bioterror: but the only downside is that some odd 5GB will be reserved for swap?
[20:34] <bioterror> I have Gentoo -user friends who has 4+GB ram and they dont use swap at all
[20:34] <bioterror> but I would say that 2048MB of SWAP is enough
[20:34] <slooksterpsv> bioterror: niiiice, I have swap for one reason, I run vms
[20:35] <slooksterpsv> and I wish I would have understood RAM a bit more I always wondered why my ram usage when I have nothing running is like 3GB, found out it's due to Ubuntu preemptively considering what I may use/open for ram
[20:35] <bioterror> yeah, it's cached
[20:36] <pedro3005> yeah I still wonder why ubuntu think it needs 7 gb of swap
[20:36] <bioterror> but if you check with htop, it shows about the real usage
[20:36] <Dondermans> slooksterpsv: if the only downside of a large swap file (e.g. 5GB or more) is that it is not available for storage, I don't mind. I have got an external drive for storage
[20:37] <slooksterpsv> Dondermans: pretty much
[20:38] <Dondermans> slooksterpsv: you wrote "shouldn't I install a lot of stuff and don't clear my apt-cache so I use large amounts of memory on my / drive that I don't even realize some times
[20:38] <Dondermans> I am sorry, but I do not quite catch your drift (English is not my mother tongue)
[20:39] <slooksterpsv> oh sorry; /, my root drive (/) I usually don't clear my apt-get cache or remove apps I don't use so my root volume ( / ) is usually using more than 4.1gb
[20:41] <Dondermans> slooksterpsv: no problem. Will the Ubuntu installer create a swap file automatically if I do not define one in the installer?
[20:41] <ehcah> cheri703:  Any idea how to resize an existing .vdi?
[20:42] <slooksterpsv> yup
[20:42] <Cheri703> I've never done it. sorry :(
[20:42] <ehcah> txs nyway.
[20:43] <ehcah> BTW... I can not comment on VMware on Ubuntu, but I can make say that from my experiences thus far, I prefer VirtualBox.
[20:43] <slooksterpsv> ehcah: ouch it's not an easy process, it's doable, but a bit complex for VirtualBox
[20:43] <Dondermans> slooksterpsv: thank you for your help, I suppose I can be quite confident that with 20GB for root, 68GB for /home and 5GB for swap, the chances of space constraints are quite remote
[20:44] <slooksterpsv> ehcah: if you'd like I can share how I did it, cause I had to get more space for my XP Volume about 3 months ago
[20:44] <ehcah> slooksterpsv:  Easier just to delete the .vdi and reinstall the OS?
[20:44] <Cheri703> I was having issues with virtualbox for weeks, just switched to try something else
[20:45] <slooksterpsv> ehcah: yeah kinda, I did it with creating another volume and using gparted live cd and cloning the drive
[20:46] <pjcbaseball> new to ubuntu with a question...how do I add icons to the desktop, like for a facebook shortcut...like on windows?
[20:46] <slooksterpsv> ehcah: yeah reinstall would be best cause I had disk errors that wouldn't fix with windows, so yeah do a reinstall, that would be best
[20:46] <ehcah> slooksterpsv:  You must really have wanted to preserve that install!
[20:46] <slooksterpsv> ehcah: I did, I had so much stuff configured precisely for work didn't feel like redoing it, it took me 2 hours just to configure the software I used; reinstall took about 15 min then another 2 hours reconfiguring software
[20:46] <ehcah> slooksterpsv:  Ubuntu 10.10 is the primary OS on my laptop.  Win7 is just there in case I need to something on windows that I can not make work with wine.
[20:47] <slooksterpsv> ehcah: that's good
[20:47] <ehcah> Someone earlier also mentioned dual booting Win7 and Ubuntu.  That gave me errors.
[20:47] <ehcah> I am not a dual boot fan anymore.
[20:48] <slooksterpsv> pjcbaseball: you can drag the icon where fb is on Firefox, drag that to your desktop and it'll make an icon to open to fb when you double click on it
[20:48] <ehcah> I might feel differently if it was on a Mac using bootcamp though?
[20:48] <slooksterpsv> ehcah: yeah for sure; I only run Ubuntu now, I have a Vista and Windows 7 license unused now cause I'm done with Windows for my personal reasons
[20:48] <slooksterpsv> ehcah: I can't say for bootcamp as I've heard great stories and horror stories too
[20:49] <ehcah> slooksterpsv:  I've never heard any horror stories, however my next purchased machine will be an iMac.  I will let you know!!!  ;)
[20:49] <slooksterpsv> ehcah: perfect hehe, I don't like macs either haha, not going to get into a debate here, but I'm all Linux now days =D
[20:50] <Dondermans> slooksterpsv: thank you for your kind help
[20:50] <Dondermans> bioterror:  thank you for your kind help
[20:50] <ehcah> slooksterpsv:   read a story the other day stating that linux desktops time has passed to make any real den in the windows/OSX world.
[20:50] <slooksterpsv> Dondermans: anytime :D
[20:50] <ehcah> Not sure I agree with that.
[20:50] <ehcah> slooksterpsv:  I won't ask!  ;)
[20:51] <slooksterpsv> ehcah: me neither not with mac os x 10.7 and it's interface, I think for simple users, yes it'll be good, but advanced users like us it'll be frustrating
[20:51] <slooksterpsv> to continue our OT discussion you can join #ubuntu-beginners-team
[20:52] <ehcah> slooksterpsv:  I'm an IT Salesperson.  All of my clients are predominantly windows based.  I am looking to familliarize myself with other options.
[20:58] <n8ofsp8ds> my mouse stops working on live cd and when its installed but not in the virtualbox
[20:58] <n8ofsp8ds> and my mouse works fine on win 7
[20:58] <n8ofsp8ds> any suggestions
[20:58] <Cheri703> is it wireless or wired?
[20:58] <n8ofsp8ds> wired
[20:59] <Cheri703> hmm...
[20:59] <n8ofsp8ds> its weird everything was working for the past two mths
[20:59] <Cheri703> have you tried unplugging it and plugging it back in? does it work again and then stop?
[20:59] <n8ofsp8ds> yep
[20:59] <n8ofsp8ds> nothing happens
[20:59] <n8ofsp8ds> mouse works for like five sec
[20:59] <Cheri703> weird
[20:59] <n8ofsp8ds> then stops
[20:59] <Cheri703> I have no idea :(
[21:00] <n8ofsp8ds> lol i was really started to like linux to
[21:00] <n8ofsp8ds> starting
[21:00] <Cheri703> have you tried other usb ports?
[21:01] <n8ofsp8ds> yep
[21:01] <n8ofsp8ds> appanetly alot of people are having the same problem
[21:01] <standforth> Cheri703: not to interrupt, but I've been playing with Inkscape, as you can get a png file from it why can't you just convert to jpeg with Gimp?
[21:01] <Cheri703> have you tried a different version of ubuntu?
[21:02] <Cheri703> well, that's 2 programs to install vs just one...
[21:02] <n8ofsp8ds> i went head and put the live cd for mint in
[21:02] <Cheri703> I got it (mostly) simplified in gimp, so it's not TERRIBLE, it's just...annoying
[21:02] <standforth> okay
[21:02] <Cheri703> it'll be alright
[21:02] <n8ofsp8ds> and same thing
[21:02] <Cheri703> thanks though :)
[21:02]  * Cheri703 hearts inkscape
[21:02] <slooksterpsv> Cheri703: you have any good links for tuts on Inkscape I'm more of an Illustrator kind of person, although scribus is beautiful
[21:03] <Cheri703> uhm, I just google as needed :)
[21:03] <Cheri703> I did learn a LOT more about it a few weeks ago, spent several days working on a logo for my computer repair business
[21:03] <n8ofsp8ds> ya its working vb no problem
[21:03] <n8ofsp8ds> thats crazy
[21:04] <n8ofsp8ds> but not hd
[21:04] <n8ofsp8ds> or dvd
[21:04] <n8ofsp8ds> hmm
[21:04]  * n8ofsp8ds is puzzled
[21:04] <slooksterpsv> n8ofsp8ds: what kind of mouse is it?
[21:05] <standforth> slooksterpsv: have you looked at the ones on their site? http://inkscape.org/
[21:06] <n8ofsp8ds> xoxide blueice usb optical mouse
[21:07] <n8ofsp8ds> it doesnt make any sense that it works with no problems in the vitural box
[21:07] <n8ofsp8ds> the mouse doesnt freeze at all
[21:07] <Cheri703> n8ofsp8ds: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-421581.html
[21:07] <Cheri703> perhaps?
[21:10] <slooksterpsv> oh wow, thats neat standforth thank you I'm reading them right now
[21:13] <slooksterpsv> if n8ofsp8ds comes back there's a couple of things I'd like him to try if that doesn't work
[23:00] <stlsaint> thebwt_: poke 2
[23:27] <slooksterpsv> anyone need help?
[23:27] <stlsaint> quiet in here
[23:28] <friTTe|> yeah
[23:28] <friTTe|> its slowmo day
[23:28] <friTTe|> =)
[23:29] <slooksterpsv> how can I forward my mx records to route emails to both my server and another server?
[23:30] <friTTe|> no idea actually
[23:30] <friTTe|> sorry
[23:30] <slooksterpsv> haha yeah I dunno if that's possible