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jderosejcastro: aquarius told me to ping you about making sure my blueprint is setup correctly for UDS00:00
jderoseit's still not on the schedule, don't know if i did something wrong: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-n-distributed-media-library00:00
aquariusjderose, heh, asac has just this moment commented on it to explain why it hasn't shown up :)00:00
jderoseah, didn't see that yet. :) asac: so can i rename the blueprint, or do i create a new one? thanks for the help!00:02
faganjderose: where did you move it to?00:07
jderoseAlright, renamed: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/multimedia-ubuntuone-distributed-media-library Thanks aquarius, asac!00:07
faganthat answers that00:08
faganjderose: I dont think that is correctly named00:08
jderosefagan: okay, what should it be? (I just copied what asac suggested)00:09
faganI think there is supposed to be a -n there somewhere too00:09
faganso it should be multimedia-ubuntuone-n-<title>00:10
jderosefagan: hmm, i don't see "-n-" in any of the 5 latest additions here: https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-n00:11
faganmost of the ones im subscribed to have a -n in there00:12
jderosecan't hurt. :) renaming...00:12
jderosefagan: how's this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/multimedia-ubuntuone-n-distributed-media-library00:13
faganlooks good00:13
jderosefagan: one other thing i'm unsure of is who the Approver should be.  Is there a specific approver for each track/team? I just picked aquarius cuz it sounded fun. :)00:13
faganits whoever approves the blueprint so its for when the plan is approved to be put in motion00:14
faganso just leave it as is and that will be all worked out later00:14
jderoseah, okay, i thought00:15
jderoseApprover was related to getting scheduled, now i understand. thx.00:15
faganno no its not about being scheduled00:15
faganits all good it will be added later00:16
faganlike my one is scheduled and it has no approver https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-desktop-n-encouraging-game-development00:17
jderosefagan: ah, okay, thanks. and that's a great blueprint, btw!00:19
faganjderose: yeah I put a lot of work into the idea thanks00:20
jderosedefinitely an exciting, important area00:20
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pittiGood morning07:50
tjaaltonhow does gnome decide which pdf reader is the default? it doesn't seem to obey /etc/mailcap07:50
tjaaltonmorning pitti :)07:50
pittitjaalton: I think /usr/share/applications/evince.desktop does that07:51
pittiMimeType=application/pdf;application/x-bzpdf;...07:51
pittiI just don't know how it decides about default priorities when there are more than one program07:51
tjaaltonpitti: right, there are other apps that have the same07:52
pitti/usr/share/mime/packages/freedesktop.org.xml is relevant here (from shared-mime-types), but it only gives some names to MIME types, not apps07:52
tjaaltonhmm ok, I'll keep searching07:54
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glatzorhello mvo09:23
glatzorI added a crash module to aptdaemon. it now includes some interesting configuration data. See lp #66435409:24
ubot2Launchpad bug 664354 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "<type 'exceptions.SystemError'>: E:Ungültige Archiv-Signatur (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66435409:24
zygaivanka, '0', '1' t-shirts are _awesome_09:39
mvoglatzor: cool, let me check09:41
mvoglatzor: nice!09:42
glatzorhello pitti09:46
glatzorpitti, it seems that the annotation of my bug reports are not shown by apport-gtk09:46
glatzorpitti, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/main/annotate/head:/aptdaemon/crash.py09:47
pittihey glatzor09:50
pittiglatzor: hm, report = apport.Report("AptDaemonCrash") might be the reason -- try "Crash"?09:51
pittiglatzor: does it write the reports into /var/crash?09:51
glatzorright09:51
pittithe ProblemType field is defined pretty rigidly (see doc/data-format.tex)09:52
ivanka zyga: thank you!10:01
zygaivanka, I'll make sure to send my photo to the stream :)10:01
ivankazyga: do! it is an important ingredient10:20
bilalakhtarbratsche: Any news on GTK RGBA for natty?10:26
bratschebilalakhtar: Nope.10:28
bratschebilalakhtar: There is a ton of churn going on inside gdk right now, and it makes sense to focus on other things.  Like animation. :)10:29
bratscheBut I would like to do this still.10:29
bilalakhtarbratsche: Yup, and the move to GTK 3 is a big task10:30
bratscheWell, that's what I'm talking about.  There's no point in trying to do RGBA fu in gtk2, and the new rendering branch hasn't been fully merged into 3 yet.10:30
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eagles0513875hey Riddell i have a question for you if you have a minute13:24
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mvojcastro: hey, I was just looking over the schedule and could not find a ratings&reviews softare-center sesssion for next week. is there a way to get a list of *all* scheduled session on one page? ma<be I just overlooked it? if not, could you schedule it please?  this is the spec https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-sofware-center-ratings14:01
jcastromvo: it's not on the schedule because it hasn't been proposed for uds-n14:23
jcastrooubiwann: you wrote this original spec, can you rename it and set it to uds-n?14:23
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mvothanks jcastro14:44
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jcastromvo: I don't have the rights to edit it but maybe oubiwann does14:46
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seb128hey15:18
Cimiciao seb128 :)15:20
seb128hey Cimi!15:21
pedro_salut seb128!15:22
chrisccoulsonhi seb128!15:25
seb128hey pedro_ chrisccoulson15:26
seb128how are you?15:26
chrisccoulsonseb128 - good thanks. and you? enjoying orlando?15:26
seb128I'm fine thanks15:26
seb128I've not seen much of Orlando but the hotel is nice15:26
chrisccoulsonyeah, i can imagine. i keep telling my gf that i probably won't see much of orlando15:27
chrisccoulson(just to make her feel better)15:27
chrisccoulson;)15:27
Cimichrisccoulson: the hotel actually could be much better than orlando :)15:28
chrisccoulsonas long as there is a bar, then i will be happy :)15:30
seb128chrisccoulson, no need to worry then, there is a bar ;-)15:31
chrisccoulsonseb128 - excellent :)15:32
chrisccoulsoni arrive mid-afternoon, which will be like evening for me15:32
chrisccoulsonso, straight to the bar :)15:32
chrisccoulson(on saturday)15:33
chrisccoulsonhi nessita15:42
chrisccoulsonlooking forward to UDS?15:42
nessitachrisccoulson: hey there! yes, how about you?15:43
chrisccoulsonyeah, i'm looking forward to it :)15:43
Shred00didrocks: did you see my msg yesterday with two more upstream evo patches?15:44
didrockshey Shred0015:46
didrocksShred00: let me backlog15:46
Shred00didrocks: i can repeat if you like15:46
didrocksthat's fine, one sec :)15:47
didrocksShred00: they sound to qualify for an SRU (once the current one will have sleep in the release). Do you want to work on backporting them to 2.30?15:48
Shred00didrocks: done already.  i can attach the debian/patches to the respective LP bugs if you wish15:49
didrocksShred00: that will be great :) also, can you please retitle the bug to be more explicit and add a testcase to them as I've done for the previous SRU?15:50
Shred00didrocks: done15:58
didrocksShred00: great, I'll have a look at them after UDS (so, in a little bit more than week). That way, we will have evo and e-d-s copied in -updates I guess15:59
kenvandinepitti, ping17:22
pittihey kenvandine17:23
kenvandinehey pitti :)17:23
kenvandinecould you look at a few SRUs ?17:23
pittiI'm already doing that17:23
kenvandinegreat17:23
kenvandinepapyon seems pretty urgent17:23
pittihaven't done gwibber yet, the diff is OMGbig17:23
kenvandineyeah, i fixed a ton of bugs :)17:23
kenvandinetomboy would be good to17:24
kenvandinebut the papyon bug got nearly 50 comments over night...17:25
pittiah, the MSN thing, right17:25
pittikenvandine: papyon> we can copy m-proposed to natty, so don't worry about a natty upload17:29
pittikenvandine: is bug 627744 actually an issue in indicator-application?17:30
ubot2Launchpad bug 627744 in tomboy (Ubuntu Natty) (and 5 other projects) "Tomboy note names are blank in the Application Indicator fallback menu (affects: 14) (dups: 2) (heat: 96)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62774417:30
kenvandineno17:30
kenvandineit is in the appindicator patch for tomboy17:30
pittiok, please invalidate that task then17:31
kenvandineok17:32
kenvandinefor gwibber i might have another upload real soon... with a more reliable fix for the libproxy crasher17:33
kenvandinewhat is in unapproved is much better than what is in maverick now... but it still crashes sometimes on amd6417:34
kenvandinebut it won't be before tomorrow, i need to let it run for a while17:35
seb128kenvandine, thanks for working on that17:36
kenvandinenp17:36
seb128kenvandine, jcastro, rodrigo__: do you know what are the tombiy plans for this cycle?17:37
kenvandinei don't17:37
seb128kenvandine, jcastro, rodrigo__: do you know what are the tomboy plans for this cycle?17:37
seb128context, it should stop using bonobo17:37
seb128so either the applet needs to be ported to the new dbus applet protocol or to be dropped17:37
seb128is the applet doing anything different from the appindicator or status icon?17:38
jcastroseb128: most of the plans are snowy related, nothing major desktop wise afaik17:39
seb128jcastro, what will they do from the applet in the gnome-shell world?17:40
seb128can somebody try to figure?17:40
jcastrohe has no idea what to do yet17:40
seb128would they be unhappy at us if we just drop the applet from our build?17:40
jcastroI asked him last week, I bet he'll sort something at the summit17:40
jcastroI can ask17:40
seb128jcastro, that would be nice17:40
seb128thanks17:41
rodrigo__seb128: not really in detail17:41
seb128without the applet we could drop the gnomevfs-cil out of default installation17:41
seb128libgnomeui-cil as well17:42
kklimonda_has it been decided for how long are we going to ship both gtk2 and gtk3?18:10
devildantekklimonda_: idk, but I suppose we'll ship both of them for 11.0418:10
chrisccoulsondefinately, seeing as firefox will not be using gtk3 for a while anyway18:11
kklimonda_heh, firefox and its "gtk+" support ;)18:12
faganchrisccoulson: but will firefox be shipped?18:12
kklimonda_"support" ;)18:12
chrisccoulsonfagan - i hope so!18:12
* fagan would love if we had Chromium 18:12
kklimonda_fagan: imo chrome still isn't a perfect replacement for firefox at this point18:12
* devildante would wait for firefox 418:12
faganyeah i know that but chromium is better in terms of the tech in it18:13
chrisccoulsonwhy?18:13
micahgdevildante: ppa:mozillateam/firefox-next for beta 6 :)18:13
faganwell webkit is a much better engine18:13
devildantemicahg, thanks :)18:13
chrisccoulsonis it? :/18:13
chrisccoulsonin what way is it better?18:13
faganand xul isnt good at all18:14
kklimonda_chrisccoulson: didn't you get a memo? ;)18:14
micahgfagan: nope, Firefox 4 just passed webkit on teh sunspider test :P18:14
chrisccoulsonfagan - what isn't good about it?18:14
chrisccoulsoni think our security team will disagree about webkit being better ;)18:14
kklimonda_chrisccoulson: I guess the main problem with xul that people have is lack of stable api and abi18:14
chrisccoulsonright, but who cares about that for the browser. that doesn't really affect firefox18:15
faganand the fact that chromium uses xdg-open when opening files18:15
chrisccoulsonfagan - xdg-open sucks. firefox uses the gnome libraries instead18:15
chrisccoulson;)18:16
chrisccoulsonanyway, those are all minor details18:16
devildanteyeah18:16
faganyeah18:16
kklimonda_chrisccoulson: my two main gripes with firefox is that it uses a lot of memory and doesn't use gnome libraries for storing passwords etc.. oh, and its gtk+ "support" sucks18:16
* fagan mainly wants it in for personal preference 18:16
faganwhats the translations support like for both of them18:17
faganI remember hearing both are bad for that18:17
devildanteI suppose firefox translations are better, since they are older18:17
chrisccoulsonkklimonda_, - it's "gtk support sucks" is mainly because it uses xul, which is cross platform18:17
devildantebut idk18:17
chrisccoulsonusing real gtk widgets means that it would depend on a lot more stuff that isn't cross-platform18:18
chrisccoulsonwhich is a pain18:18
chrisccoulsonand it uses the same engine for rendering widgets as it does for rendering web content18:18
devildanteusing Qt would have solved that problem18:18
devildante;)18:18
kklimonda_chrisccoulson: I know, I'm not a fan of cross-platform technologies, they tend to look equally out of place on every platform ;)18:19
kklimonda_Qt doesn't make use of gio and gvfs18:19
devildanteah...18:19
chrisccoulsonwell, i guess FF-4.0 will look even less native now it has ditched the native GTK tabs18:19
chrisccoulsonfor much nicer looking ones18:19
kklimonda_and probably few dozens of small gnome libraries18:19
devildantethe ideal way in terms of integration is if we created our own browser :p18:20
kklimonda_chrisccoulson: heh, that actually makes sense when you remember that all browser vendors are pushing "web browser as a platform" idea..18:20
chrisccoulsonyeah18:20
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kklimonda_at some point people are going to use Linux as the cheapest backend for their browser.. and then access even less free internet on it18:21
kenvandinepitti, i just uploaded the papyon fix to lucid-proposed too18:28
jderoseasac: the Distributed Media Library blueprint still isn't on the list, is there anything else I need to do?18:39
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asacjderose: you have the url for the blueprint again?18:54
nigelbkenvandine: facebook doesn't even read the bug reports apparently :/18:55
kenvandinenigelb, yeah :/18:57
jderoseasac: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/multimedia-ubuntuone-n-distributed-media-library18:58
Sofoxmpt: Sorry for bothering you but I have a question and I was told you could help: What exactly is the current situation with paid apps in the Software Center?19:10
asacjderose: accepted for uds-n ... check in 1h if its scheduled...otherwise let me know19:19
asacjderose: ensure that those that need to be there are marked essential ... and if the time still doesnt suite you we can move it manually (but i would prefer to not do manually scheduling as long as possible )19:20
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mptSofox, currently it's manual inclusion (by contacting Canonical), but we're wanting to automate it as quickly as possible.19:29
SofoxAh, so will commercial games like World of Goo appear in UDS soon?19:31
SofoxBut thanks for answering, I apperciate it.19:32
jderoseasac: awesome, thank you! will check it in an hour.19:33
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cyphermoxbbl20:30
faganmpt: sorry ill have to get that screenshot for you tomorrow the install crapped out on my and I had to go21:15
faganalls good though ill get it21:16
faganme not my21:18
seb128robert_ancell, hey22:56
robert_ancellseb128, hey, are you in orlando?22:59
seb128yes, dx sprint22:59
robert_ancellseb128, man, this gobject-introspection stuff is driving me crazy...23:00
seb128what is the issue?23:00
robert_ancellwebkit turned out to be a real pain.  It kept failing to build on my vm, had different results when I uploaded it.  And takes 1hr to build.  And then I have to wait for each dependency to get published so I can build the next one in the chain on the build servers.23:03
seb128right, abi transition are annoying23:03
robert_ancellYou could change the build depencency versions in the control file but it would be very misleading23:03
robert_ancelland then there's always an arch that lags behind (I'm looking at you ppc)23:04
seb128right, I tend to avoid doing that23:04
seb128I just retry builds23:04
seb128but we got the basic libraries rebuilt23:04
seb128I would not bother about rebuilding everything23:04
seb128things will get rebuilt over time when uploaded23:05
robert_ancellthe problem is clutter is broken from this - and it's on the end of a long chain of packages from gobject-introspection!23:05
seb128right23:05
seb128ok, got to go23:05
seb128end of day here23:06
robert_ancellok, see you soon!23:06
seb128when do you arrive?23:06
robert_ancellevening Sunday23:06
devildantesometimes, I think maybe it's wiser to stay a prospective developer :p23:06
seb128robert_ancell, ok, see you23:06
robert_ancelldevildante, :)23:06

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