| jderose | jcastro: aquarius told me to ping you about making sure my blueprint is setup correctly for UDS | 00:00 |
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| jderose | it's still not on the schedule, don't know if i did something wrong: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-n-distributed-media-library | 00:00 |
| aquarius | jderose, heh, asac has just this moment commented on it to explain why it hasn't shown up :) | 00:00 |
| jderose | ah, didn't see that yet. :) asac: so can i rename the blueprint, or do i create a new one? thanks for the help! | 00:02 |
| fagan | jderose: where did you move it to? | 00:07 |
| jderose | Alright, renamed: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/multimedia-ubuntuone-distributed-media-library Thanks aquarius, asac! | 00:07 |
| fagan | that answers that | 00:08 |
| fagan | jderose: I dont think that is correctly named | 00:08 |
| jderose | fagan: okay, what should it be? (I just copied what asac suggested) | 00:09 |
| fagan | I think there is supposed to be a -n there somewhere too | 00:09 |
| fagan | so it should be multimedia-ubuntuone-n-<title> | 00:10 |
| jderose | fagan: hmm, i don't see "-n-" in any of the 5 latest additions here: https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-n | 00:11 |
| fagan | most of the ones im subscribed to have a -n in there | 00:12 |
| jderose | can't hurt. :) renaming... | 00:12 |
| jderose | fagan: how's this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/multimedia-ubuntuone-n-distributed-media-library | 00:13 |
| fagan | looks good | 00:13 |
| jderose | fagan: one other thing i'm unsure of is who the Approver should be. Is there a specific approver for each track/team? I just picked aquarius cuz it sounded fun. :) | 00:13 |
| fagan | its whoever approves the blueprint so its for when the plan is approved to be put in motion | 00:14 |
| fagan | so just leave it as is and that will be all worked out later | 00:14 |
| jderose | ah, okay, i thought | 00:15 |
| jderose | Approver was related to getting scheduled, now i understand. thx. | 00:15 |
| fagan | no no its not about being scheduled | 00:15 |
| fagan | its all good it will be added later | 00:16 |
| fagan | like my one is scheduled and it has no approver https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-desktop-n-encouraging-game-development | 00:17 |
| jderose | fagan: ah, okay, thanks. and that's a great blueprint, btw! | 00:19 |
| fagan | jderose: yeah I put a lot of work into the idea thanks | 00:20 |
| jderose | definitely an exciting, important area | 00:20 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 07:50 |
| tjaalton | how does gnome decide which pdf reader is the default? it doesn't seem to obey /etc/mailcap | 07:50 |
| tjaalton | morning pitti :) | 07:50 |
| pitti | tjaalton: I think /usr/share/applications/evince.desktop does that | 07:51 |
| pitti | MimeType=application/pdf;application/x-bzpdf;... | 07:51 |
| pitti | I just don't know how it decides about default priorities when there are more than one program | 07:51 |
| tjaalton | pitti: right, there are other apps that have the same | 07:52 |
| pitti | /usr/share/mime/packages/freedesktop.org.xml is relevant here (from shared-mime-types), but it only gives some names to MIME types, not apps | 07:52 |
| tjaalton | hmm ok, I'll keep searching | 07:54 |
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| glatzor | hello mvo | 09:23 |
| glatzor | I added a crash module to aptdaemon. it now includes some interesting configuration data. See lp #664354 | 09:24 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 664354 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "<type 'exceptions.SystemError'>: E:Ungültige Archiv-Signatur (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/664354 | 09:24 |
| zyga | ivanka, '0', '1' t-shirts are _awesome_ | 09:39 |
| mvo | glatzor: cool, let me check | 09:41 |
| mvo | glatzor: nice! | 09:42 |
| glatzor | hello pitti | 09:46 |
| glatzor | pitti, it seems that the annotation of my bug reports are not shown by apport-gtk | 09:46 |
| glatzor | pitti, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/main/annotate/head:/aptdaemon/crash.py | 09:47 |
| pitti | hey glatzor | 09:50 |
| pitti | glatzor: hm, report = apport.Report("AptDaemonCrash") might be the reason -- try "Crash"? | 09:51 |
| pitti | glatzor: does it write the reports into /var/crash? | 09:51 |
| glatzor | right | 09:51 |
| pitti | the ProblemType field is defined pretty rigidly (see doc/data-format.tex) | 09:52 |
| ivanka | zyga: thank you! | 10:01 |
| zyga | ivanka, I'll make sure to send my photo to the stream :) | 10:01 |
| ivanka | zyga: do! it is an important ingredient | 10:20 |
| bilalakhtar | bratsche: Any news on GTK RGBA for natty? | 10:26 |
| bratsche | bilalakhtar: Nope. | 10:28 |
| bratsche | bilalakhtar: There is a ton of churn going on inside gdk right now, and it makes sense to focus on other things. Like animation. :) | 10:29 |
| bratsche | But I would like to do this still. | 10:29 |
| bilalakhtar | bratsche: Yup, and the move to GTK 3 is a big task | 10:30 |
| bratsche | Well, that's what I'm talking about. There's no point in trying to do RGBA fu in gtk2, and the new rendering branch hasn't been fully merged into 3 yet. | 10:30 |
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| eagles0513875 | hey Riddell i have a question for you if you have a minute | 13:24 |
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| mvo | jcastro: hey, I was just looking over the schedule and could not find a ratings&reviews softare-center sesssion for next week. is there a way to get a list of *all* scheduled session on one page? ma<be I just overlooked it? if not, could you schedule it please? this is the spec https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-sofware-center-ratings | 14:01 |
| jcastro | mvo: it's not on the schedule because it hasn't been proposed for uds-n | 14:23 |
| jcastro | oubiwann: you wrote this original spec, can you rename it and set it to uds-n? | 14:23 |
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| mvo | thanks jcastro | 14:44 |
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| jcastro | mvo: I don't have the rights to edit it but maybe oubiwann does | 14:46 |
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| seb128 | hey | 15:18 |
| Cimi | ciao seb128 :) | 15:20 |
| seb128 | hey Cimi! | 15:21 |
| pedro_ | salut seb128! | 15:22 |
| chrisccoulson | hi seb128! | 15:25 |
| seb128 | hey pedro_ chrisccoulson | 15:26 |
| seb128 | how are you? | 15:26 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - good thanks. and you? enjoying orlando? | 15:26 |
| seb128 | I'm fine thanks | 15:26 |
| seb128 | I've not seen much of Orlando but the hotel is nice | 15:26 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i can imagine. i keep telling my gf that i probably won't see much of orlando | 15:27 |
| chrisccoulson | (just to make her feel better) | 15:27 |
| chrisccoulson | ;) | 15:27 |
| Cimi | chrisccoulson: the hotel actually could be much better than orlando :) | 15:28 |
| chrisccoulson | as long as there is a bar, then i will be happy :) | 15:30 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, no need to worry then, there is a bar ;-) | 15:31 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - excellent :) | 15:32 |
| chrisccoulson | i arrive mid-afternoon, which will be like evening for me | 15:32 |
| chrisccoulson | so, straight to the bar :) | 15:32 |
| chrisccoulson | (on saturday) | 15:33 |
| chrisccoulson | hi nessita | 15:42 |
| chrisccoulson | looking forward to UDS? | 15:42 |
| nessita | chrisccoulson: hey there! yes, how about you? | 15:43 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i'm looking forward to it :) | 15:43 |
| Shred00 | didrocks: did you see my msg yesterday with two more upstream evo patches? | 15:44 |
| didrocks | hey Shred00 | 15:46 |
| didrocks | Shred00: let me backlog | 15:46 |
| Shred00 | didrocks: i can repeat if you like | 15:46 |
| didrocks | that's fine, one sec :) | 15:47 |
| didrocks | Shred00: they sound to qualify for an SRU (once the current one will have sleep in the release). Do you want to work on backporting them to 2.30? | 15:48 |
| Shred00 | didrocks: done already. i can attach the debian/patches to the respective LP bugs if you wish | 15:49 |
| didrocks | Shred00: that will be great :) also, can you please retitle the bug to be more explicit and add a testcase to them as I've done for the previous SRU? | 15:50 |
| Shred00 | didrocks: done | 15:58 |
| didrocks | Shred00: great, I'll have a look at them after UDS (so, in a little bit more than week). That way, we will have evo and e-d-s copied in -updates I guess | 15:59 |
| kenvandine | pitti, ping | 17:22 |
| pitti | hey kenvandine | 17:23 |
| kenvandine | hey pitti :) | 17:23 |
| kenvandine | could you look at a few SRUs ? | 17:23 |
| pitti | I'm already doing that | 17:23 |
| kenvandine | great | 17:23 |
| kenvandine | papyon seems pretty urgent | 17:23 |
| pitti | haven't done gwibber yet, the diff is OMGbig | 17:23 |
| kenvandine | yeah, i fixed a ton of bugs :) | 17:23 |
| kenvandine | tomboy would be good to | 17:24 |
| kenvandine | but the papyon bug got nearly 50 comments over night... | 17:25 |
| pitti | ah, the MSN thing, right | 17:25 |
| pitti | kenvandine: papyon> we can copy m-proposed to natty, so don't worry about a natty upload | 17:29 |
| pitti | kenvandine: is bug 627744 actually an issue in indicator-application? | 17:30 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 627744 in tomboy (Ubuntu Natty) (and 5 other projects) "Tomboy note names are blank in the Application Indicator fallback menu (affects: 14) (dups: 2) (heat: 96)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627744 | 17:30 |
| kenvandine | no | 17:30 |
| kenvandine | it is in the appindicator patch for tomboy | 17:30 |
| pitti | ok, please invalidate that task then | 17:31 |
| kenvandine | ok | 17:32 |
| kenvandine | for gwibber i might have another upload real soon... with a more reliable fix for the libproxy crasher | 17:33 |
| kenvandine | what is in unapproved is much better than what is in maverick now... but it still crashes sometimes on amd64 | 17:34 |
| kenvandine | but it won't be before tomorrow, i need to let it run for a while | 17:35 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, thanks for working on that | 17:36 |
| kenvandine | np | 17:36 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, jcastro, rodrigo__: do you know what are the tombiy plans for this cycle? | 17:37 |
| kenvandine | i don't | 17:37 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, jcastro, rodrigo__: do you know what are the tomboy plans for this cycle? | 17:37 |
| seb128 | context, it should stop using bonobo | 17:37 |
| seb128 | so either the applet needs to be ported to the new dbus applet protocol or to be dropped | 17:37 |
| seb128 | is the applet doing anything different from the appindicator or status icon? | 17:38 |
| jcastro | seb128: most of the plans are snowy related, nothing major desktop wise afaik | 17:39 |
| seb128 | jcastro, what will they do from the applet in the gnome-shell world? | 17:40 |
| seb128 | can somebody try to figure? | 17:40 |
| jcastro | he has no idea what to do yet | 17:40 |
| seb128 | would they be unhappy at us if we just drop the applet from our build? | 17:40 |
| jcastro | I asked him last week, I bet he'll sort something at the summit | 17:40 |
| jcastro | I can ask | 17:40 |
| seb128 | jcastro, that would be nice | 17:40 |
| seb128 | thanks | 17:41 |
| rodrigo__ | seb128: not really in detail | 17:41 |
| seb128 | without the applet we could drop the gnomevfs-cil out of default installation | 17:41 |
| seb128 | libgnomeui-cil as well | 17:42 |
| kklimonda_ | has it been decided for how long are we going to ship both gtk2 and gtk3? | 18:10 |
| devildante | kklimonda_: idk, but I suppose we'll ship both of them for 11.04 | 18:10 |
| chrisccoulson | definately, seeing as firefox will not be using gtk3 for a while anyway | 18:11 |
| kklimonda_ | heh, firefox and its "gtk+" support ;) | 18:12 |
| fagan | chrisccoulson: but will firefox be shipped? | 18:12 |
| kklimonda_ | "support" ;) | 18:12 |
| chrisccoulson | fagan - i hope so! | 18:12 |
| * fagan would love if we had Chromium | 18:12 | |
| kklimonda_ | fagan: imo chrome still isn't a perfect replacement for firefox at this point | 18:12 |
| * devildante would wait for firefox 4 | 18:12 | |
| fagan | yeah i know that but chromium is better in terms of the tech in it | 18:13 |
| chrisccoulson | why? | 18:13 |
| micahg | devildante: ppa:mozillateam/firefox-next for beta 6 :) | 18:13 |
| fagan | well webkit is a much better engine | 18:13 |
| devildante | micahg, thanks :) | 18:13 |
| chrisccoulson | is it? :/ | 18:13 |
| chrisccoulson | in what way is it better? | 18:13 |
| fagan | and xul isnt good at all | 18:14 |
| kklimonda_ | chrisccoulson: didn't you get a memo? ;) | 18:14 |
| micahg | fagan: nope, Firefox 4 just passed webkit on teh sunspider test :P | 18:14 |
| chrisccoulson | fagan - what isn't good about it? | 18:14 |
| chrisccoulson | i think our security team will disagree about webkit being better ;) | 18:14 |
| kklimonda_ | chrisccoulson: I guess the main problem with xul that people have is lack of stable api and abi | 18:14 |
| chrisccoulson | right, but who cares about that for the browser. that doesn't really affect firefox | 18:15 |
| fagan | and the fact that chromium uses xdg-open when opening files | 18:15 |
| chrisccoulson | fagan - xdg-open sucks. firefox uses the gnome libraries instead | 18:15 |
| chrisccoulson | ;) | 18:16 |
| chrisccoulson | anyway, those are all minor details | 18:16 |
| devildante | yeah | 18:16 |
| fagan | yeah | 18:16 |
| kklimonda_ | chrisccoulson: my two main gripes with firefox is that it uses a lot of memory and doesn't use gnome libraries for storing passwords etc.. oh, and its gtk+ "support" sucks | 18:16 |
| * fagan mainly wants it in for personal preference | 18:16 | |
| fagan | whats the translations support like for both of them | 18:17 |
| fagan | I remember hearing both are bad for that | 18:17 |
| devildante | I suppose firefox translations are better, since they are older | 18:17 |
| chrisccoulson | kklimonda_, - it's "gtk support sucks" is mainly because it uses xul, which is cross platform | 18:17 |
| devildante | but idk | 18:17 |
| chrisccoulson | using real gtk widgets means that it would depend on a lot more stuff that isn't cross-platform | 18:18 |
| chrisccoulson | which is a pain | 18:18 |
| chrisccoulson | and it uses the same engine for rendering widgets as it does for rendering web content | 18:18 |
| devildante | using Qt would have solved that problem | 18:18 |
| devildante | ;) | 18:18 |
| kklimonda_ | chrisccoulson: I know, I'm not a fan of cross-platform technologies, they tend to look equally out of place on every platform ;) | 18:19 |
| kklimonda_ | Qt doesn't make use of gio and gvfs | 18:19 |
| devildante | ah... | 18:19 |
| chrisccoulson | well, i guess FF-4.0 will look even less native now it has ditched the native GTK tabs | 18:19 |
| chrisccoulson | for much nicer looking ones | 18:19 |
| kklimonda_ | and probably few dozens of small gnome libraries | 18:19 |
| devildante | the ideal way in terms of integration is if we created our own browser :p | 18:20 |
| kklimonda_ | chrisccoulson: heh, that actually makes sense when you remember that all browser vendors are pushing "web browser as a platform" idea.. | 18:20 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah | 18:20 |
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| kklimonda_ | at some point people are going to use Linux as the cheapest backend for their browser.. and then access even less free internet on it | 18:21 |
| kenvandine | pitti, i just uploaded the papyon fix to lucid-proposed too | 18:28 |
| jderose | asac: the Distributed Media Library blueprint still isn't on the list, is there anything else I need to do? | 18:39 |
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| asac | jderose: you have the url for the blueprint again? | 18:54 |
| nigelb | kenvandine: facebook doesn't even read the bug reports apparently :/ | 18:55 |
| kenvandine | nigelb, yeah :/ | 18:57 |
| jderose | asac: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/multimedia-ubuntuone-n-distributed-media-library | 18:58 |
| Sofox | mpt: Sorry for bothering you but I have a question and I was told you could help: What exactly is the current situation with paid apps in the Software Center? | 19:10 |
| asac | jderose: accepted for uds-n ... check in 1h if its scheduled...otherwise let me know | 19:19 |
| asac | jderose: ensure that those that need to be there are marked essential ... and if the time still doesnt suite you we can move it manually (but i would prefer to not do manually scheduling as long as possible ) | 19:20 |
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| mpt | Sofox, currently it's manual inclusion (by contacting Canonical), but we're wanting to automate it as quickly as possible. | 19:29 |
| Sofox | Ah, so will commercial games like World of Goo appear in UDS soon? | 19:31 |
| Sofox | But thanks for answering, I apperciate it. | 19:32 |
| jderose | asac: awesome, thank you! will check it in an hour. | 19:33 |
| heikoc | hi | 19:37 |
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| cyphermox | bbl | 20:30 |
| fagan | mpt: sorry ill have to get that screenshot for you tomorrow the install crapped out on my and I had to go | 21:15 |
| fagan | alls good though ill get it | 21:16 |
| fagan | me not my | 21:18 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, hey | 22:56 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, hey, are you in orlando? | 22:59 |
| seb128 | yes, dx sprint | 22:59 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, man, this gobject-introspection stuff is driving me crazy... | 23:00 |
| seb128 | what is the issue? | 23:00 |
| robert_ancell | webkit turned out to be a real pain. It kept failing to build on my vm, had different results when I uploaded it. And takes 1hr to build. And then I have to wait for each dependency to get published so I can build the next one in the chain on the build servers. | 23:03 |
| seb128 | right, abi transition are annoying | 23:03 |
| robert_ancell | You could change the build depencency versions in the control file but it would be very misleading | 23:03 |
| robert_ancell | and then there's always an arch that lags behind (I'm looking at you ppc) | 23:04 |
| seb128 | right, I tend to avoid doing that | 23:04 |
| seb128 | I just retry builds | 23:04 |
| seb128 | but we got the basic libraries rebuilt | 23:04 |
| seb128 | I would not bother about rebuilding everything | 23:04 |
| seb128 | things will get rebuilt over time when uploaded | 23:05 |
| robert_ancell | the problem is clutter is broken from this - and it's on the end of a long chain of packages from gobject-introspection! | 23:05 |
| seb128 | right | 23:05 |
| seb128 | ok, got to go | 23:05 |
| seb128 | end of day here | 23:06 |
| robert_ancell | ok, see you soon! | 23:06 |
| seb128 | when do you arrive? | 23:06 |
| robert_ancell | evening Sunday | 23:06 |
| devildante | sometimes, I think maybe it's wiser to stay a prospective developer :p | 23:06 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ok, see you | 23:06 |
| robert_ancell | devildante, :) | 23:06 |
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