[00:00] <jderose> jcastro: aquarius told me to ping you about making sure my blueprint is setup correctly for UDS
[00:00] <jderose> it's still not on the schedule, don't know if i did something wrong: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-n-distributed-media-library
[00:00] <aquarius> jderose, heh, asac has just this moment commented on it to explain why it hasn't shown up :)
[00:02] <jderose> ah, didn't see that yet. :) asac: so can i rename the blueprint, or do i create a new one? thanks for the help!
[00:07] <fagan> jderose: where did you move it to?
[00:07] <jderose> Alright, renamed: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/multimedia-ubuntuone-distributed-media-library Thanks aquarius, asac!
[00:08] <fagan> that answers that
[00:08] <fagan> jderose: I dont think that is correctly named
[00:09] <jderose> fagan: okay, what should it be? (I just copied what asac suggested)
[00:09] <fagan> I think there is supposed to be a -n there somewhere too
[00:10] <fagan> so it should be multimedia-ubuntuone-n-<title>
[00:11] <jderose> fagan: hmm, i don't see "-n-" in any of the 5 latest additions here: https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-n
[00:12] <fagan> most of the ones im subscribed to have a -n in there
[00:12] <jderose> can't hurt. :) renaming...
[00:13] <jderose> fagan: how's this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/multimedia-ubuntuone-n-distributed-media-library
[00:13] <fagan> looks good
[00:13] <jderose> fagan: one other thing i'm unsure of is who the Approver should be.  Is there a specific approver for each track/team? I just picked aquarius cuz it sounded fun. :)
[00:14] <fagan> its whoever approves the blueprint so its for when the plan is approved to be put in motion
[00:14] <fagan> so just leave it as is and that will be all worked out later
[00:15] <jderose> ah, okay, i thought
[00:15] <jderose> Approver was related to getting scheduled, now i understand. thx.
[00:15] <fagan> no no its not about being scheduled
[00:16] <fagan> its all good it will be added later
[00:17] <fagan> like my one is scheduled and it has no approver https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-desktop-n-encouraging-game-development
[00:19] <jderose> fagan: ah, okay, thanks. and that's a great blueprint, btw!
[00:20] <fagan> jderose: yeah I put a lot of work into the idea thanks
[00:20] <jderose> definitely an exciting, important area
[07:50] <pitti> Good morning
[07:50] <tjaalton> how does gnome decide which pdf reader is the default? it doesn't seem to obey /etc/mailcap
[07:50] <tjaalton> morning pitti :)
[07:51] <pitti> tjaalton: I think /usr/share/applications/evince.desktop does that
[07:51] <pitti> MimeType=application/pdf;application/x-bzpdf;...
[07:51] <pitti> I just don't know how it decides about default priorities when there are more than one program
[07:52] <tjaalton> pitti: right, there are other apps that have the same
[07:52] <pitti> /usr/share/mime/packages/freedesktop.org.xml is relevant here (from shared-mime-types), but it only gives some names to MIME types, not apps
[07:54] <tjaalton> hmm ok, I'll keep searching
[09:23] <glatzor> hello mvo
[09:24] <glatzor> I added a crash module to aptdaemon. it now includes some interesting configuration data. See lp #664354
[09:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 664354 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "<type 'exceptions.SystemError'>: E:Ungültige Archiv-Signatur (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/664354
[09:39] <zyga> ivanka, '0', '1' t-shirts are _awesome_
[09:41] <mvo> glatzor: cool, let me check
[09:42] <mvo> glatzor: nice!
[09:46] <glatzor> hello pitti
[09:46] <glatzor> pitti, it seems that the annotation of my bug reports are not shown by apport-gtk
[09:47] <glatzor> pitti, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/main/annotate/head:/aptdaemon/crash.py
[09:50] <pitti> hey glatzor
[09:51] <pitti> glatzor: hm, report = apport.Report("AptDaemonCrash") might be the reason -- try "Crash"?
[09:51] <pitti> glatzor: does it write the reports into /var/crash?
[09:51] <glatzor> right
[09:52] <pitti> the ProblemType field is defined pretty rigidly (see doc/data-format.tex)
[10:01] <ivanka>  zyga: thank you!
[10:01] <zyga> ivanka, I'll make sure to send my photo to the stream :)
[10:20] <ivanka> zyga: do! it is an important ingredient
[10:26] <bilalakhtar> bratsche: Any news on GTK RGBA for natty?
[10:28] <bratsche> bilalakhtar: Nope.
[10:29] <bratsche> bilalakhtar: There is a ton of churn going on inside gdk right now, and it makes sense to focus on other things.  Like animation. :)
[10:29] <bratsche> But I would like to do this still.
[10:30] <bilalakhtar> bratsche: Yup, and the move to GTK 3 is a big task
[10:30] <bratsche> Well, that's what I'm talking about.  There's no point in trying to do RGBA fu in gtk2, and the new rendering branch hasn't been fully merged into 3 yet.
[13:24] <eagles0513875> hey Riddell i have a question for you if you have a minute
[14:01] <mvo> jcastro: hey, I was just looking over the schedule and could not find a ratings&reviews softare-center sesssion for next week. is there a way to get a list of *all* scheduled session on one page? ma<be I just overlooked it? if not, could you schedule it please?  this is the spec https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-sofware-center-ratings
[14:23] <jcastro> mvo: it's not on the schedule because it hasn't been proposed for uds-n
[14:23] <jcastro> oubiwann: you wrote this original spec, can you rename it and set it to uds-n?
[14:44] <mvo> thanks jcastro
[14:46] <jcastro> mvo: I don't have the rights to edit it but maybe oubiwann does
[15:18] <seb128> hey
[15:20] <Cimi> ciao seb128 :)
[15:21] <seb128> hey Cimi!
[15:22] <pedro_> salut seb128!
[15:25] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128!
[15:26] <seb128> hey pedro_ chrisccoulson
[15:26] <seb128> how are you?
[15:26] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - good thanks. and you? enjoying orlando?
[15:26] <seb128> I'm fine thanks
[15:26] <seb128> I've not seen much of Orlando but the hotel is nice
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i can imagine. i keep telling my gf that i probably won't see much of orlando
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> (just to make her feel better)
[15:27] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[15:28] <Cimi> chrisccoulson: the hotel actually could be much better than orlando :)
[15:30] <chrisccoulson> as long as there is a bar, then i will be happy :)
[15:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, no need to worry then, there is a bar ;-)
[15:32] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - excellent :)
[15:32] <chrisccoulson> i arrive mid-afternoon, which will be like evening for me
[15:32] <chrisccoulson> so, straight to the bar :)
[15:33] <chrisccoulson> (on saturday)
[15:42] <chrisccoulson> hi nessita
[15:42] <chrisccoulson> looking forward to UDS?
[15:43] <nessita> chrisccoulson: hey there! yes, how about you?
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i'm looking forward to it :)
[15:44] <Shred00> didrocks: did you see my msg yesterday with two more upstream evo patches?
[15:46] <didrocks> hey Shred00
[15:46] <didrocks> Shred00: let me backlog
[15:46] <Shred00> didrocks: i can repeat if you like
[15:47] <didrocks> that's fine, one sec :)
[15:48] <didrocks> Shred00: they sound to qualify for an SRU (once the current one will have sleep in the release). Do you want to work on backporting them to 2.30?
[15:49] <Shred00> didrocks: done already.  i can attach the debian/patches to the respective LP bugs if you wish
[15:50] <didrocks> Shred00: that will be great :) also, can you please retitle the bug to be more explicit and add a testcase to them as I've done for the previous SRU?
[15:58] <Shred00> didrocks: done
[15:59] <didrocks> Shred00: great, I'll have a look at them after UDS (so, in a little bit more than week). That way, we will have evo and e-d-s copied in -updates I guess
[17:22] <kenvandine> pitti, ping
[17:23] <pitti> hey kenvandine
[17:23] <kenvandine> hey pitti :)
[17:23] <kenvandine> could you look at a few SRUs ?
[17:23] <pitti> I'm already doing that
[17:23] <kenvandine> great
[17:23] <kenvandine> papyon seems pretty urgent
[17:23] <pitti> haven't done gwibber yet, the diff is OMGbig
[17:23] <kenvandine> yeah, i fixed a ton of bugs :)
[17:24] <kenvandine> tomboy would be good to
[17:25] <kenvandine> but the papyon bug got nearly 50 comments over night...
[17:25] <pitti> ah, the MSN thing, right
[17:29] <pitti> kenvandine: papyon> we can copy m-proposed to natty, so don't worry about a natty upload
[17:30] <pitti> kenvandine: is bug 627744 actually an issue in indicator-application?
[17:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 627744 in tomboy (Ubuntu Natty) (and 5 other projects) "Tomboy note names are blank in the Application Indicator fallback menu (affects: 14) (dups: 2) (heat: 96)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/627744
[17:30] <kenvandine> no
[17:30] <kenvandine> it is in the appindicator patch for tomboy
[17:31] <pitti> ok, please invalidate that task then
[17:32] <kenvandine> ok
[17:33] <kenvandine> for gwibber i might have another upload real soon... with a more reliable fix for the libproxy crasher
[17:34] <kenvandine> what is in unapproved is much better than what is in maverick now... but it still crashes sometimes on amd64
[17:35] <kenvandine> but it won't be before tomorrow, i need to let it run for a while
[17:36] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks for working on that
[17:36] <kenvandine> np
[17:37] <seb128> kenvandine, jcastro, rodrigo__: do you know what are the tombiy plans for this cycle?
[17:37] <kenvandine> i don't
[17:37] <seb128> kenvandine, jcastro, rodrigo__: do you know what are the tomboy plans for this cycle?
[17:37] <seb128> context, it should stop using bonobo
[17:37] <seb128> so either the applet needs to be ported to the new dbus applet protocol or to be dropped
[17:38] <seb128> is the applet doing anything different from the appindicator or status icon?
[17:39] <jcastro> seb128: most of the plans are snowy related, nothing major desktop wise afaik
[17:40] <seb128> jcastro, what will they do from the applet in the gnome-shell world?
[17:40] <seb128> can somebody try to figure?
[17:40] <jcastro> he has no idea what to do yet
[17:40] <seb128> would they be unhappy at us if we just drop the applet from our build?
[17:40] <jcastro> I asked him last week, I bet he'll sort something at the summit
[17:40] <jcastro> I can ask
[17:40] <seb128> jcastro, that would be nice
[17:41] <seb128> thanks
[17:41] <rodrigo__> seb128: not really in detail
[17:41] <seb128> without the applet we could drop the gnomevfs-cil out of default installation
[17:42] <seb128> libgnomeui-cil as well
[18:10] <kklimonda_> has it been decided for how long are we going to ship both gtk2 and gtk3?
[18:10] <devildante> kklimonda_: idk, but I suppose we'll ship both of them for 11.04
[18:11] <chrisccoulson> definately, seeing as firefox will not be using gtk3 for a while anyway
[18:12] <kklimonda_> heh, firefox and its "gtk+" support ;)
[18:12] <fagan> chrisccoulson: but will firefox be shipped?
[18:12] <kklimonda_> "support" ;)
[18:12] <chrisccoulson> fagan - i hope so!
[18:12]  * fagan would love if we had Chromium 
[18:12] <kklimonda_> fagan: imo chrome still isn't a perfect replacement for firefox at this point
[18:12]  * devildante would wait for firefox 4
[18:13] <fagan> yeah i know that but chromium is better in terms of the tech in it
[18:13] <chrisccoulson> why?
[18:13] <micahg> devildante: ppa:mozillateam/firefox-next for beta 6 :)
[18:13] <fagan> well webkit is a much better engine
[18:13] <devildante> micahg, thanks :)
[18:13] <chrisccoulson> is it? :/
[18:13] <chrisccoulson> in what way is it better?
[18:14] <fagan> and xul isnt good at all
[18:14] <kklimonda_> chrisccoulson: didn't you get a memo? ;)
[18:14] <micahg> fagan: nope, Firefox 4 just passed webkit on teh sunspider test :P
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> fagan - what isn't good about it?
[18:14] <chrisccoulson> i think our security team will disagree about webkit being better ;)
[18:14] <kklimonda_> chrisccoulson: I guess the main problem with xul that people have is lack of stable api and abi
[18:15] <chrisccoulson> right, but who cares about that for the browser. that doesn't really affect firefox
[18:15] <fagan> and the fact that chromium uses xdg-open when opening files
[18:15] <chrisccoulson> fagan - xdg-open sucks. firefox uses the gnome libraries instead
[18:16] <chrisccoulson> ;)
[18:16] <chrisccoulson> anyway, those are all minor details
[18:16] <devildante> yeah
[18:16] <fagan> yeah
[18:16] <kklimonda_> chrisccoulson: my two main gripes with firefox is that it uses a lot of memory and doesn't use gnome libraries for storing passwords etc.. oh, and its gtk+ "support" sucks
[18:16]  * fagan mainly wants it in for personal preference 
[18:17] <fagan> whats the translations support like for both of them
[18:17] <fagan> I remember hearing both are bad for that
[18:17] <devildante> I suppose firefox translations are better, since they are older
[18:17] <chrisccoulson> kklimonda_, - it's "gtk support sucks" is mainly because it uses xul, which is cross platform
[18:17] <devildante> but idk
[18:18] <chrisccoulson> using real gtk widgets means that it would depend on a lot more stuff that isn't cross-platform
[18:18] <chrisccoulson> which is a pain
[18:18] <chrisccoulson> and it uses the same engine for rendering widgets as it does for rendering web content
[18:18] <devildante> using Qt would have solved that problem
[18:18] <devildante> ;)
[18:19] <kklimonda_> chrisccoulson: I know, I'm not a fan of cross-platform technologies, they tend to look equally out of place on every platform ;)
[18:19] <kklimonda_> Qt doesn't make use of gio and gvfs
[18:19] <devildante> ah...
[18:19] <chrisccoulson> well, i guess FF-4.0 will look even less native now it has ditched the native GTK tabs
[18:19] <chrisccoulson> for much nicer looking ones
[18:19] <kklimonda_> and probably few dozens of small gnome libraries
[18:20] <devildante> the ideal way in terms of integration is if we created our own browser :p
[18:20] <kklimonda_> chrisccoulson: heh, that actually makes sense when you remember that all browser vendors are pushing "web browser as a platform" idea..
[18:20] <chrisccoulson> yeah
[18:21] <kklimonda_> at some point people are going to use Linux as the cheapest backend for their browser.. and then access even less free internet on it
[18:28] <kenvandine> pitti, i just uploaded the papyon fix to lucid-proposed too
[18:39] <jderose> asac: the Distributed Media Library blueprint still isn't on the list, is there anything else I need to do?
[18:54] <asac> jderose: you have the url for the blueprint again?
[18:55] <nigelb> kenvandine: facebook doesn't even read the bug reports apparently :/
[18:57] <kenvandine> nigelb, yeah :/
[18:58] <jderose> asac: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/multimedia-ubuntuone-n-distributed-media-library
[19:10] <Sofox> mpt: Sorry for bothering you but I have a question and I was told you could help: What exactly is the current situation with paid apps in the Software Center?
[19:19] <asac> jderose: accepted for uds-n ... check in 1h if its scheduled...otherwise let me know
[19:20] <asac> jderose: ensure that those that need to be there are marked essential ... and if the time still doesnt suite you we can move it manually (but i would prefer to not do manually scheduling as long as possible )
[19:29] <mpt> Sofox, currently it's manual inclusion (by contacting Canonical), but we're wanting to automate it as quickly as possible.
[19:31] <Sofox> Ah, so will commercial games like World of Goo appear in UDS soon?
[19:32] <Sofox> But thanks for answering, I apperciate it.
[19:33] <jderose> asac: awesome, thank you! will check it in an hour.
[19:37] <heikoc> hi
[20:30] <cyphermox> bbl
[21:15] <fagan> mpt: sorry ill have to get that screenshot for you tomorrow the install crapped out on my and I had to go
[21:16] <fagan> alls good though ill get it
[21:18] <fagan> me not my
[22:56] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey
[22:59] <robert_ancell> seb128, hey, are you in orlando?
[22:59] <seb128> yes, dx sprint
[23:00] <robert_ancell> seb128, man, this gobject-introspection stuff is driving me crazy...
[23:00] <seb128> what is the issue?
[23:03] <robert_ancell> webkit turned out to be a real pain.  It kept failing to build on my vm, had different results when I uploaded it.  And takes 1hr to build.  And then I have to wait for each dependency to get published so I can build the next one in the chain on the build servers.
[23:03] <seb128> right, abi transition are annoying
[23:03] <robert_ancell> You could change the build depencency versions in the control file but it would be very misleading
[23:04] <robert_ancell> and then there's always an arch that lags behind (I'm looking at you ppc)
[23:04] <seb128> right, I tend to avoid doing that
[23:04] <seb128> I just retry builds
[23:04] <seb128> but we got the basic libraries rebuilt
[23:04] <seb128> I would not bother about rebuilding everything
[23:05] <seb128> things will get rebuilt over time when uploaded
[23:05] <robert_ancell> the problem is clutter is broken from this - and it's on the end of a long chain of packages from gobject-introspection!
[23:05] <seb128> right
[23:05] <seb128> ok, got to go
[23:06] <seb128> end of day here
[23:06] <robert_ancell> ok, see you soon!
[23:06] <seb128> when do you arrive?
[23:06] <robert_ancell> evening Sunday
[23:06] <devildante> sometimes, I think maybe it's wiser to stay a prospective developer :p
[23:06] <seb128> robert_ancell, ok, see you
[23:06] <robert_ancell> devildante, :)