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| proverse | I think I have a regression between 2.6.36-rc7 and -rc8 regarding wifi, not sure where to writeup the bug or what would be needed | 04:49 |
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| proverse | anyone avail to help? | 04:49 |
| proverse | also what is drm-intel-next ? | 04:52 |
| papillon81 | ikepanhc: hi, I tested ideapad-laptop. Almost all special buttons worked. what did not was the wifi/BT switch and the Play/Pause, Stop, FF, REW buttons | 07:59 |
| ikepanhc | papillon81: I guess the brightness/volumn control, touchpad switch, works fine | 08:03 |
| ikepanhc | papillon81: those key enabled because of BIOS (DSDT) or they will generate an keycode | 08:04 |
| ikepanhc | papillon81: they are not enabled by ideapad-laptop yet | 08:05 |
| papillon81 | ikepanhc: yes, they work | 08:05 |
| papillon81 | IIRC, the Camera switch is also working without ideapad-laptop | 08:05 |
| papillon81 | ...let me check | 08:05 |
| ikepanhc | papillon81: ya | 08:05 |
| ikepanhc | papillon81: the camera key just power on/off the camera, you can try to press the key and use dmesg to check | 08:06 |
| ikepanhc | papillon81: usb camera will disappear and reappear | 08:07 |
| papillon81 | ikepanhc: well, it looks like most of it works without the driver already | 08:10 |
| papillon81 | the play/pause... keys do not as they produce no key event | 08:10 |
| papillon81 | wifi produces an event, but no connection/disconnection happens | 08:11 |
| ikepanhc | papillon81: how you see the event? from dmesg which says unknown scancode? | 08:12 |
| papillon81 | ikepanhc: yes | 08:12 |
| ikepanhc | papillon81: oh, some ideapad model will report scancode when hotkey pressed, but not all of the ideapad | 08:13 |
| papillon81 | BRB | 08:17 |
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| lag | Morning smb | 08:34 |
| lag | Hi ikepanhc :) | 08:34 |
| smb | lag, morning | 08:34 |
| ikepanhc | good morning .eu | 08:34 |
| lag | :) | 08:34 |
| lag | Are you packed and ready for UDS | 08:35 |
| ikepanhc | me? not yet | 08:35 |
| ikepanhc | I am used to pack 6hrs before departure | 08:36 |
| ikepanhc | and hope nothing missed | 08:36 |
| ikepanhc | s/hope/pray for/ | 08:36 |
| * abogani waves all | 08:41 | |
| lag | :) | 08:44 |
| * apw waves to ikepanhc | 08:54 | |
| apw | ikepanhc, can you point me to the oem public trees | 08:55 |
| ikepanhc | git://kernel.ubuntu.com/hwe/oem-master.git | 08:55 |
| apw | ikepanhc, thanks :) | 08:55 |
| ikepanhc | apw: :) | 08:56 |
| abogani | By the way the natty-meta package contain a typo in README file at line 6. | 09:00 |
| * smb spots gkh signs | 10:12 | |
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| apw | boing | 13:38 |
| smb | Not so much "boing" than "whoosh" (or how would a erupting volcano sound?) | 13:40 |
| cking | eh? | 13:41 |
| * smb is causing confusion by merging two statements hours apart on irc | 13:42 | |
| tgardner | apw, are you working on a 2.6.36 final for natty? I can do it if you're busy. then we can leave natty alone for a few weeks. | 13:46 |
| smallfoot- | when put 2.6.36 in ubuntu? | 13:52 |
| smallfoot- | when put in ppa? | 13:52 |
| apw | tgardner, will do it :) | 13:54 |
| lag | JFo: | 14:07 |
| JFo | lag | 14:07 |
| JFo | :) | 14:07 |
| lag | What do we do? | 14:07 |
| lag | Where do we go? | 14:07 |
| JFo | no idea | 14:07 |
| smb | clueless | 14:07 |
| JFo | was wondering that myself | 14:07 |
| smb | as the rest of us | 14:07 |
| lag | Good job we had this test :) | 14:07 |
| JFo | indeed | 14:08 |
| lag | This could have been the real thing | 14:08 |
| lag | smb: No | 14:08 |
| lag | smb: We have a video conf call | 14:08 |
| smb | lag, "We" have not | 14:08 |
| smb | :) | 14:08 |
| JFo | lol | 14:08 |
| JFo | lag, you see that ping? | 14:09 |
| JFo | just invited you lag | 14:10 |
| komputes | JFo: I would like to compile my own kernel as MTecknology posted on his latest blog post. Are you or is anyone able to walk me through this or point me to a guide which tells me the best way to do this on Ubuntu? | 14:11 |
| komputes | MTecknology: btw, I can't find the .config for kernel options on http://profarius.com/content/what-you-need-do-after-installing-ubuntu-1010 | 14:12 |
| JFo | komputes, there should be some information in the /Kernel wiki pages at wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel | 14:12 |
| JFo | let me know if you have trouble finding them | 14:12 |
| komputes | JFo: ok, wel thanks to ogasawara and the LPI201 study guide, I know the basics. But I will try my best to do this without being too much of a pain. :-) | 14:13 |
| JFo | heh, no problem :) | 14:14 |
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| sconklin | the maverick distro master branch has been updated with the merge of the security release. Thanks to Brad for doing this. | 16:30 |
| MTecknology | komputes: ? | 16:33 |
| MTecknology | oh | 16:33 |
| MTecknology | komputes: http://profarius.com/sites/profarius.com/files/kernel.config | 16:33 |
| MTecknology | komputes: keep in mind that it's created by a psycho | 16:33 |
| MTecknology | komputes: It wasn't listed at the bottom of the page for you? | 16:34 |
| komputes | MTecknology: wow, right on time. cheers and congrats on the engagement | 16:34 |
| komputes | nope | 16:34 |
| MTecknology | komputes: thanks :) | 16:36 |
| MTecknology | I'll look into why. | 16:36 |
| komputes | MTecknology: do you recommend any particular build method from here for doing this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev | 16:37 |
| komputes | MTecknology: if you can add the commands you used to your post, I would find it extremely helpful. | 16:37 |
| MTecknology | komputes: make menuconfig; make all install | 16:38 |
| MTecknology | komputes: I said phsycho :P If you're looking to do it the 'right' way, then you probably want to not follow my advice :P | 16:39 |
| komputes | MTecknology: where to I place the config, can I see your config file in curses menu view? | 16:39 |
| komputes | I'm experimenting, no worries | 16:39 |
| MTecknology | ls -a | 16:40 |
| komputes | MTecknology: are you asking for a listing of the kernel source dir? | 16:41 |
| MTecknology | komputes: no | 16:41 |
| komputes | k | 16:41 |
| MTecknology | komputes: that's where the .config is | 16:41 |
| komputes | err. where? | 16:42 |
| komputes | top level of the kernel source? | 16:42 |
| komputes | sorry, I'm a virgin at this | 16:43 |
| komputes | many attempts, never success | 16:44 |
| komputes | JFo: MTecknology: "make menuconfig" returns the error "Requires ncurses-devel" but the correct package name is libncurses5-dev | 16:49 |
| MTecknology | komputes: actually.. ncurses-dev | 16:50 |
| komputes | oh, ok | 16:50 |
| komputes | MTecknology: ncurses-dev is purely vityual pounting to libncurses5-dev ;) | 16:52 |
| komputes | virtual* | 16:52 |
| komputes | should we report to make a change to the error (from ncurses-devel to ncurses-dev) | 16:53 |
| MTecknology | komputes: it's not an error | 16:53 |
| MTecknology | komputes: other package managers use the virtual package ncurses-devel, for some that is the package | 16:53 |
| komputes | ok | 16:54 |
| smoser | hey. so, i'm trying to figure out what changed between 'linux-image-2.6.32-308-ec2 2.6.32-308.16' and 'linux-image-2.6.32-309-ec2 2.6.32-309.18' | 16:54 |
| MTecknology | You're not dealing with something that's ubuntu-centric, it's linux-centric :) | 16:54 |
| smoser | looking a the changelog for the newer version http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-ec2/linux-ec2_2.6.32-309.18/changelog | 16:54 |
| smoser | it does not even include 2.6.32-308.16 | 16:54 |
| komputes | understood. | 16:54 |
| smoser | i'm guessing that the entries for 2.6.32-309.17 and 2.6.32-309.18. but programmatically, that would be difficult to determine since i can't locate the source version in the changelog | 16:57 |
| smb | smoser, Some upload versions can get eradicated when security replaces a version in proposed | 16:57 |
| smoser | it seems that that entry got dropped | 16:57 |
| smoser | the changelog entry got dropped though | 16:57 |
| smoser | both those versions did exist | 16:57 |
| smoser | http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-ec2/linux-ec2_2.6.32-308.16/changelog | 16:58 |
| smb | If it did not leave proposed it did not officially exist | 16:58 |
| smoser | it did leave proposed | 16:58 |
| smoser | (it made it into an image created 20100923 that do not include -proposed in their sources.list) | 17:00 |
| smb | smoser, Hm, right. .16 would actually have been a security release | 17:01 |
| smoser | i'm guessing its just human error, and also that only the changelog entry for 2.6.32-308.16 was dropped, and not actually the changes. | 17:01 |
| smb | If I am not wrong and the .16 was a security update, then those changes should normally not get dropped when rebasing to a newer version of the master kernel | 17:03 |
| smoser | 308.16 was a security release. | 17:04 |
| smb | Yes, so I am quite confident that this is just an error within the changelog | 17:04 |
| smoser | i'm not trying to be accusing, i'm just wanting to make sure that there isn't a hole in the process that dropped those security fixes. | 17:04 |
| smoser | and ideally, that in the future, even the changelogs wouldn't get dropped | 17:05 |
| smoser | i'm trying to write a tool that shows me what differed between two builds, and want to grab new changelog entries. | 17:05 |
| smb | Right. The rebasing itself is safer than the changelog because that needs manual intervention to get it right | 17:06 |
| smoser | right. humans are incompetent | 17:06 |
| smoser | :) | 17:06 |
| smb | Agreed :) But in general it could get difficult to compare changelogs | 17:07 |
| smb | Its already sometimes confusing for the master tree. But rebase branches are worse | 17:07 |
| komputes | MTecknology: My docs says Kernel configuration settings are stored in a file named .config. Historically, this file was saved within your kernel source to /usr/src/linux or /usr/src/linux-kernel-version, but this is no longer the case. Older applications (based on the standard libc) required /usr/src/linux, but the introduction of a new library, glibc, eliminated that dependency. So I simply placed it in the linux-2.6.35-MTeck/ dir and r | 17:08 |
| komputes | an "make menuconfig" and I'm now going through all the changes you made. Very cool :-) | 17:08 |
| komputes | Especially cool with split screen terminal | 17:09 |
| smoser | thanks smb . just kindly take note of my "please try to get changelog entries correct" request. | 17:10 |
| MTecknology | komputes: there's also make xconfig, but I think menuconfig is better | 17:10 |
| smb | smoser, note taken | 17:10 |
| smb | :) | 17:10 |
| komputes | MTecknology: I'm aware of these ways to do it: make config, make menuconfig, and make xconfig | 17:11 |
| komputes | MTecknology: menu is still my favorite | 17:11 |
| komputes | MTecknology: few questions about disabled configurations: pass kernel param to init, LZO vs Gzip kernel compression, POSIX msg queue, BSD process accounting, export task, namespaces - how can i better understand what these are and what is the result of disabling them? | 17:20 |
| MTecknology | komputes: look at the help for it | 17:21 |
| MTecknology | komputes: then look at the code or online | 17:21 |
| komputes | MTecknology: ok, help wasn't working, but I found it - not quite english, but I kind of understand | 17:22 |
| komputes | MTecknology: do you remove upstart from your system and simply use init? | 17:23 |
| MTecknology | komputes: nope, upstart is still there | 17:23 |
| komputes | MTecknology: and disabling CONFIG_INIT_PASS_ALL_PARAMS does not mess that up? | 17:24 |
| MTecknology | komputes: I didn't say upstart still worked the way it's supposed to :P | 17:27 |
| komputes | muahahaha | 17:30 |
| maakri | 18:09 | |
| anarsoul | hi there | 19:30 |
| anarsoul | what's sane way to load custom DSDT table in ubuntu 10.10? | 19:30 |
| anarsoul | DSDT table for my laptop is broken (thermal and battery methods are incorrect) and so I need to load my custom DSDT | 19:31 |
| apw | anarsoul, as i recall things there is no offical way to do that, as you can brick your laptop | 19:31 |
| mjg59 | anarsoul: Incorrect in what way? | 19:31 |
| apw | i believe the approved approach is to quirk round the deficienies | 19:32 |
| anarsoul | mjg59: thermal provides incorrect info about CPU temperature (sometimes stick at 70C and fan works all this time) | 19:32 |
| anarsoul | and battery method provides some heuristic info about capacity instead of get this info from smart controller | 19:33 |
| anarsoul | so it's dangerous to use laptop on battery with default DSDT table | 19:33 |
| mjg59 | apw: Well, approved approach is for people to either get the bugs fixed in Linux or, if Windows has the same behaviour, return the hardware for being broken | 19:33 |
| anarsoul | as it can kill battery because it can't detect correctly when it's broken | 19:33 |
| anarsoul | mjg59: windows has the same behaviour | 19:34 |
| apw | mjg59, well put | 19:34 |
| anarsoul | and I can't return this hardware | 19:34 |
| mjg59 | anarsoul: Your hardware's broken, then! | 19:34 |
| anarsoul | it's 3year old laptop | 19:34 |
| mjg59 | There's an interface in debugfs that lets you override individual ACPI methds | 19:34 |
| anarsoul | mjg59: wrong answer | 19:34 |
| anarsoul | it works with fixed DSDT table | 19:34 |
| anarsoul | mjg59: yeah, I know, it does not fit | 19:35 |
| mjg59 | Then you get to build your own kernel | 19:35 |
| anarsoul | as it can override only methods | 19:35 |
| anarsoul | but I need to override OperationRegion aswell | 19:35 |
| anarsoul | mjg59: I remember there was a patch that allowed to load custom dsdt from initramfs | 19:36 |
| anarsoul | why it was removed? | 19:36 |
| mjg59 | anarsoul: It got rejected upstream | 19:36 |
| anarsoul | so what? | 19:36 |
| apw | anarsoul, because people would load random dsdt's into their system | 19:36 |
| anarsoul | ubuntu keeps much their custom patches | 19:36 |
| apw | anarsoul, where someone on a bug suggested a mod for a different system | 19:36 |
| anarsoul | why not to keep another one? | 19:37 |
| apw | anarsoul, and as you can do genuine dammage to your system | 19:37 |
| apw | anarsoul, it was seen as too dangerous | 19:37 |
| anarsoul | apw: you can damage your system by overriding acpi method via debugfs | 19:37 |
| apw | anarsoul, indeed that is also true | 19:37 |
| apw | but that was the reason the patch wasn't maintained | 19:38 |
| apw | too easy for a naieve user to follow instructions to try and modded dsdt on the wrong laptop | 19:39 |
| anarsoul | apw: oh, it's easy to do "sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/mem" | 19:41 |
| mjg59 | anarsoul: If you're competent to modify ACPI tables then you're competent to rebuild your kernel | 19:42 |
| apw | anarsoul, yep you can shoot self in the foot a number of ways, but people seemed to like loading random dsdts that fixed things for other people | 19:45 |
| anarsoul | mjg59: yeah, but it takes my and cpu's time | 19:45 |
| apw | anarsoul, its all a balance | 19:45 |
| anarsoul | mjg59: and I can't react on each security update | 19:46 |
| ppetraki | hi all | 19:59 |
| ppetraki | quick question | 19:59 |
| ppetraki | is echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/panic_on_oops supposed to work? | 20:00 |
| ppetraki | cuz it's not panicing :) | 20:00 |
| tgardner | ppetraki, try /proc/sysrq-trigger | 20:04 |
| komputes | MTecknology: at the end of the compilation, I get many errors relating to ndiaswrapper. Do you know which path in the menu config I need to go to disable the ndis (module?). | 20:05 |
| ppetraki | tgardner, Tim, the goal is to panic on some mysterious oops we've been seeing, the systems are unattended | 20:05 |
| MTecknology | komputes: press / and search | 20:05 |
| tgardner | ppetraki, well, I think you can do that from user space. see Documentation/kdump/kdump.txt in the kernel tree | 20:06 |
| ppetraki | tgardner, I'll take a closer look, thanks | 20:07 |
| komputes | MTecknology: found it but once i press exit i do not know the path to get to it | 20:08 |
| komputes | MTecknology: it brings me the help page only - can't turn it on/off | 20:08 |
| MTecknology | komputes: you need to follow the path it gives you | 20:08 |
| komputes | MTecknology: awesome, thanks | 20:09 |
| * ogasawara lunch | 20:32 | |
| komputes | MTecknology: OK! :-) I finally finished compiling, no errors. I had to change compression (gzip) and strip out rtl and ndis networking extras. So what now? | 20:53 |
| MTecknology | komputes: you installed it? | 20:54 |
| komputes | MTecknology: well I did "make all install" not quite sure what that accomplishes, but it looks like it finally compiled without errors | 21:29 |
| MTecknology | update-grub2 | 21:29 |
| MTecknology | reboot | 21:29 |
| MTecknology | you should read the Makefile | 21:29 |
| komputes | orly? nice... | 21:29 |
| MTecknology | don't remove the generic kernel until you really know what you're doing and know how to fix things when it breaks | 21:30 |
| komputes | no, i don't inted to remove the ubuntu stock kernels at all | 21:30 |
| komputes | and this is a scratch box | 21:31 |
| komputes | MTecknology: I'm reading the makefile, you actually understand this? | 21:31 |
| MTecknology | :P | 21:31 |
| komputes | MTecknology: rebooted, kernel won't boot properly, when i run it in recovery mode I quickly see an error regarding VBIOS table | 21:48 |
| komputes | it makes two short beep noises | 21:48 |
| MTecknology | komputes: yup, that's the fun in compiling your own kernel :) | 21:49 |
| MTecknology | komputes: look on the gentoo install manual and it'll help you start to understand it better | 21:49 |
| komputes | MTecknology: will do. thanks for all your help today, what an adventure | 21:49 |
| MTecknology | komputes: np, make sure to enjoy | 21:49 |
| savasci | hi. I am taking an OS class in university, we did some kernel manipulation( adding a system call), after installing the new kernel, for every boot it says " starting up Uncompressing Linux... Ok, booting the kernel". does that means any problem, any way to avoid this uncompressing stage? | 22:10 |
| komputes | MTecknology: I'm guessing it's one of the first three here: http://www.google.com/search?q=gentoo+install+manual | 22:15 |
| sconklin | savasci: it's normal, and you want to leave it that way. The kernel in memory has a lot of zero-filled data, and compressing it makes it a lot smaller on disk | 22:16 |
| sconklin | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-linuxboot/index.html | 22:16 |
| hyperair | hi. where can i find out more about ubuntu dropping support for things below i686? | 22:57 |
| hyperair | it seems the lubuntu folk are pretty upset about this. | 22:57 |
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| JFo | ogasawara, just responded on that e-mail you forwarded | 23:56 |
| JFo | sorry for overlooking that :-/ | 23:56 |
| ogasawara | JFo: no worries. not sure how much help he'll turn out to be. | 23:56 |
| JFo | every bit helps :) | 23:57 |
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