[00:30] <Andre_Gondim> godbyk, any news about ubuntu manual in pt-br? :P
[00:30] <Andre_Gondim> if there are errors?
[07:05] <nisshh> flan, ping
[22:06] <Hannie> godbyk, ping
[22:10] <daker> hi jenkins
[22:11] <jenkins> hello
[22:11] <godbyk> Hannie: pong.
[22:11] <godbyk> Hannie: How are you doing?
[22:11] <Hannie> Hey, Kevin, can I ask you something?
[22:11] <daker> hace you seen my proposal countdown ?
[22:11] <godbyk> Hannie: Sure!
[22:11] <Hannie> I managed to install lexlive properly, thanks to you
[22:12] <Hannie> but...
[22:12] <Hannie> The result is half English, half Dutch
[22:12] <Hannie> What I want to know is this:
[22:12] <jenkins> was that aimed at me daker?
[22:12] <daker> jenkins, yep
[22:12] <Hannie> Where does tex find the source file?
[22:12] <jenkins> daker no i have not
[22:13] <daker> jenkins, bzr branch lp:~adnane002/quickshot/countdown
[22:14] <Hannie> You mean online?
[22:14] <godbyk> Hannie: The .tex source file is created automatically when you run make.
[22:14] <godbyk> Hannie: It's generated from the po/nl.po file.
[22:14] <daker> jenkins, then $ python countdown.py
[22:14] <godbyk> Hannie: If you want to create the .tex file so you can look at it, run 'make ubuntu-manual-nl.tex'
[22:14] <Hannie> No, I want to find out why the result is half English
[22:15] <Hannie> while the translation on LP is 100% Dutch
[22:15] <jenkins> thats cool thanks daker
[22:15] <daker> good :)
[22:16] <jenkins> I really need to get some done for quickshot
[22:16] <Hannie> po/nl.po is not the right file
[22:16] <Hannie> I downloaded the right file from LP, but where should I place it?
[22:17] <godbyk> Hannie: if you can give me an example of a couple parts that are in English, I can take a look.
[22:17] <godbyk> Hannie: Put the nl.po file in the po/ subdirectory.
[22:17] <Hannie> ok, just a minute
[22:18] <Hannie> Automatisch aanmelden
[22:18] <Hannie> Ubuntu will log in to your primary account automatically when you start up
[22:18] <Hannie> The title is Dutch, but the rest is English
[22:19] <Hannie> I took this example from ubuntu-manual-nl.pdf
[22:20] <godbyk> Hannie: Okay. If you look in the nl.po file you downloaded, is the string translated there?
[22:20] <godbyk> (For each string, it will show the English version and the translated version. Make sure the translated string isn't in English.)
[22:20] <Hannie> I had already put the file in /po and named it nl.po
[22:21] <Hannie> Yes, on LP it is translated
[22:21] <Hannie> o sorry, I will look ik nl.po
[22:21] <Hannie> *in
[22:22] <Hannie> msgid ""
[22:22] <Hannie> "Ubuntu will log in to your primary account automatically when you start up "
[22:22] <Hannie> "the computer so you won't have to enter your username and password. This "
[22:22] <Hannie> "makes your login experience quicker and more convenient, however, if privacy "
[22:23] <Hannie> "or security are important to you, this option is not recommended. Anyone who "
[22:23] <Hannie> "can physically access your computer will be able to turn it on and also "
[22:23] <Hannie> "access your files."
[22:23] <Hannie> msgstr ""
[22:23] <Hannie> "U wordt automatisch aangemeld met uw primaire account wanneer u de computer "
[22:23] <Hannie> "start; u hoeft dus geen gebruikersnaam en wachtwoord op te geven. Dit maakt "
[22:23] <Hannie> "het aanmelden sneller en gemakkelijker, maar als u privacy en veiligheid "
[22:23] <Hannie> "belangrijk vindt, wordt deze optie ontraden. Iedereen die fysiek toegang "
[22:23] <Hannie> "heeft tot uw computer kan deze aanzetten en ook bij al uw bestanden komen."
[22:23] <Hannie> This is the Automatisch aanmelden/Log in automatically example
[22:24] <Hannie> It has msgid (English) and msgstr (Dutch) in the nl.po file
[22:24] <Hannie> The file is located in Projects/ubuntu-manual/po
[22:25] <Hannie> /po/nl.po is 813,7 KB
[22:26] <godbyk> Hannie: Okay, that looks right.  I will download the latest translation a bit later tonight and try it out here.  I'll see if I can figure out where the problem is.
[22:27] <Hannie> ok, I am already very happy with texlive running
[22:27] <godbyk> Did you end up reinstalling it from scratch?
[22:27] <Hannie> Yes, that was the only solution
[22:27] <Hannie> And it worked...
[22:28] <godbyk> Everyone misses the note about creating the symlinks.  I should try to make it more prominent.
[22:28] <Hannie> Oh, another error came up in the pdf making:
[22:28] <Hannie> translatorcredits
[22:28] <Hannie> I had to remove a section in the file credits
[22:29] <Hannie> About symlinks: I did read the note, but I expected to be able to fill it in at the beginning of the installation, not in the options part
[22:31] <godbyk> Hannie: Is this in lucid-e1, lucid-e2, or maverick?
[22:31] <Hannie> lucid-e1
[22:32] <godbyk> Where did you find translatorcredits in lucid-e1?
[22:32] <godbyk> (I thought I added that in maverick.)
[22:32] <Hannie> I got an error while making the pdf file
[22:33] <Hannie> It referred to translatorscredits
[22:33] <Hannie> Wait a minute:
[22:34] <Hannie> po4a-translate --master-charset=utf8 -f latex -m main.tex -p po/nl.po -l ubuntu-manual-nl.tex -k 0
[22:34] <Hannie> ./credits/credits.tex
[22:34] <Hannie>                :109: (po4a::tex)
[22:34] <Hannie>                unknown environment: 'translatorcredits'
[22:34] <Hannie> I went to /credits/ and removed this section
[22:36] <godbyk> Ah, I see what the problem is then.
[22:36] <godbyk> Okay, I can fix that.  Just a moment.
[22:37] <godbyk> Though that translatorcredits environment only exists in the maverick edition.  In the lucid-e1 edition there is no translatorcredits environment.
[22:37] <godbyk> Hannie: can you run 'bzr info' and paste the results, please?
[22:37] <Hannie> Ok
[22:38] <Hannie> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/hannie/"
[22:38] <Hannie> That is odd
[22:39] <godbyk> Hannie: Oh, run 'bzr info' from the ubuntu-manual directory (the one containing the ubuntu-manual.cls file).
[22:40] <Hannie> ok
[22:41] <Hannie> Standalone tree (format: 2a)
[22:41] <Hannie> Location:
[22:41] <Hannie>   branch root: .
[22:41] <Hannie> Related branches:
[22:41] <Hannie>   parent branch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/maverick/
[22:42] <Hannie> So it seems my pdf was based on maverick
[22:42] <godbyk> Yeah. So that's the problem it's having.
[22:42] <Hannie> That explains the half English/half dutch
[22:42] <Hannie> But I copied the right file to /po and renamed it
[22:42] <godbyk> Since some of the English text in maverick was changed, it no longer matches the text you translated.
[22:43] <Hannie> Is that not the right way?
[22:43] <godbyk> You'll want to check out the lucid-e1 or lucid-e1 repository instead.
[22:43] <godbyk> That is the correct way, but you're using a lucid-e1 translation for the maverick edition.  That's where the problem is.
[22:44] <Hannie> Ok, so the source is my lucid-e1 translation
[22:44] <Hannie> but texlive looks at the bzr maverick?
[22:44] <Hannie> online?
[22:45] <godbyk> When you downloaded the manual code, you downloaded the maverick edition instead of the lucid-e1 edition.
[22:45] <godbyk> It's an easy fix, though.
[22:45] <godbyk> You can delete the ubuntu-manual stuff you have so far.  (The TeX Live stuff is okay -- don't delete it.)
[22:45] <Hannie> ok
[22:46] <godbyk> Then to download the lucid-e1 edition, run 'bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1'
[22:46] <Hannie> hold on, I will write that down
[22:46] <godbyk> Once it's done downloading, you can copy your nl.po file over to the po/ directory again and run 'make ubuntu-manual-nl.pdf' to see the lucid-e1 PDF.
[22:46] <godbyk> Hopefully it'll all be translated as you expect.
[22:48] <Hannie> Thank you so much, I am sure it will work
[22:48] <godbyk> Hannie: You're welcome. If you have any further problems, please let me know.
[22:48] <godbyk> Hannie: Thanks for all your hard work on the Dutch translation!
[22:49] <Hannie> Couldn't have done it without your help
[22:49] <Hannie> One last question:
[22:50] <Hannie> When the screenshots are ready, can I copy them to the directory /screenshots or whatever?
[22:50] <godbyk> Hannie: When the screenshots are ready, I'll have flan or jenkins put them in the screenshots directory for you.  So you won't have to worry about that.
[22:50] <godbyk> When they've put them in, I'll send you an email and have you run 'bzr pull' to download them automatically.
[22:51] <Hannie> ok, I will  let you know when they are ready
[22:52] <godbyk> Thanks!
[22:52] <Hannie> See you, I am going to work on lucid-e1
[22:52] <godbyk> Okay.  See you later, Hannie!