| falktx | hi abogani | 15:00 |
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| falktx | abogani: you there? | 15:00 |
| abogani | falktx: yes | 15:00 |
| falktx | abogani: i have a favour to ask you | 15:01 |
| falktx | abogani: can you update the lucid lowlatency kernel on your ppa? | 15:01 |
| falktx | it's the default kernel on my kxstudio distro | 15:01 |
| abogani | falktx: As reported to all our Studio mailing-list lowlatency lucid is dropped. | 15:02 |
| falktx | abogani: maybe just a last update? | 15:02 |
| falktx | please..? | 15:02 |
| abogani | falktx: No I can't. I have already delete all files. I would happy to help you but there is no way. Sorry | 15:04 |
| falktx | ah, ok | 15:04 |
| falktx | i'm not sure about using the realtime kernel as default | 15:04 |
| abogani | falktx: Could you inform me when you use my package? So I avoid to delete these without alert you. | 15:04 |
| abogani | falktx: .33 seems a lot stable, at me at least | 15:05 |
| falktx | abogani: usually I copy your packages into my PPA, the version I now have is 2.6.32-24.42 | 15:06 |
| falktx | I guess I'll be back to generic | 15:06 |
| abogani | falktx: Yes an other good choise. | 15:07 |
| abogani | choice | 15:07 |
| falktx | abogani: so the lowlatency kernel will be dropped for good? | 15:10 |
| falktx | abogani: what about natty? will you make lowlatency for it or it's not decided yet? | 15:13 |
| astraljava | falktx: More information regarding kernels can be found on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RealTime | 15:18 |
| * falktx reads | 15:19 | |
| falktx | ok | 15:22 |
| falktx | hey I just found AutoStatic in IRC | 15:48 |
| falktx | he's coming here | 15:48 |
| falktx | hey AutoStatic | 15:49 |
| AutoStatic | Hi | 15:49 |
| falktx | me and AutoStatic were discussing about the PPA | 15:50 |
| falktx | from what I understand, this is the official us dev team: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev | 15:52 |
| falktx | and this is the PPA for it - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ppa | 15:52 |
| falktx | to all devs here: What is the best choice for a new studio PPA: | 15:54 |
| falktx | 1 - the official ubuntustudio-dev | 15:54 |
| falktx | 2 - a new team | 15:54 |
| falktx | ? | 15:54 |
| abogani | What type of packages should go into that new PPA? | 15:55 |
| astraljava | A new studio PPA? What for? | 15:55 |
| AutoStatic | For Ubuntu Studio | 15:55 |
| AutoStatic | atm there are multiple multimedia PPA's | 15:56 |
| astraljava | I mean, what apps should go there, and why couldn't they go into the official repos? | 15:56 |
| AutoStatic | philip5, falktx, tangostudio etc | 15:56 |
| falktx | astraljava: for example wineasio and VSTs | 15:57 |
| falktx | astraljava: also svn builds of ardour3.0, hydrogen, etc | 15:57 |
| AutoStatic | Apps that are not in Debian testing or the official repo's | 15:57 |
| falktx | AutoStatic: maybe we should split into 2 ppas, 1 stable and 1 testing | 15:57 |
| AutoStatic | So not even necessarily svn builds | 15:57 |
| AutoStatic | Yes, good idea | 15:58 |
| astraljava | falktx: Okay. If Ubuntu Studio devs are supposed to offer support for them, it would make sense for them to be in ubuntustudio-dev PPA. And one PPA can offer several repositories. | 15:58 |
| abogani | The best thing should be: Create a PPA into ubuntustudio. Place there all stable packages. Use the ubuntustudio-dev's PPA for development packages (like svn builds). | 16:00 |
| abogani | IMHO obviously :-) | 16:00 |
| falktx | seems good to me | 16:00 |
| falktx | but afaik, everyone is allowed to be part of the ubuntustudio team | 16:01 |
| astraljava | Yeah, the idea of providing support for such packages make me cringe a bit. :) | 16:02 |
| astraljava | +s | 16:02 |
| falktx | so maybe it could be better if the team is kinda not official | 16:02 |
| AutoStatic | now orries I think astraljava | 16:03 |
| AutoStatic | no worries I mean | 16:03 |
| astraljava | Are there licensing issues why some of the packages couldn't go to official repos? | 16:04 |
| falktx | AutoStatic: the way I currently build svn packages, they dont conflict with the stable ones | 16:04 |
| falktx | AutoStatic: maybe they should go too into the stable ppa too, and leave the test ppa just for testing of new packages | 16:04 |
| AutoStatic | I haven't build that much of those kind of packages | 16:05 |
| falktx | astraljava: most packages are ok | 16:05 |
| AutoStatic | I second that, i don't foresee any big support issues | 16:05 |
| falktx | astraljava: but VSTs require non-free headers to compile | 16:05 |
| astraljava | falktx: Gotcha. | 16:05 |
| falktx | astraljava: my way of doing it is to compile them myself and only include the source in the package | 16:05 |
| falktx | astraljava: I never touch the non-free headers at anytime in the PPA | 16:06 |
| astraljava | Ok. | 16:06 |
| falktx | astraljava: here's an example of restricted package - https://launchpad.net/~falk-t-j/+archive/lucid/+sourcepub/1343380/+listing-archive-extra | 16:08 |
| AutoStatic | falktx: with a good set-up on your won machine one doesn't really need a test PPA I think | 16:08 |
| falktx | astraljava: all source is included, but not the non-free header | 16:09 |
| falktx | astraljava: the folder 'build' contains the binary I compiled | 16:09 |
| falktx | astraljava: please check it and tell me if this should be ok | 16:09 |
| falktx | AutoStatic: you too please | 16:09 |
| falktx | AutoStatic: for testing I guess I could just use my own testing PPA | 16:10 |
| AutoStatic | just a sec | 16:11 |
| AutoStatic | Looks good to me | 16:14 |
| falktx | this is the method I use for VSTs too | 16:15 |
| falktx | I spoke to the launchpad guys about this too, they said it was ok | 16:15 |
| AutoStatic | But isn't wieasio a lib? | 16:16 |
| AutoStatic | wineasio | 16:16 |
| astraljava | falktx: I'm not an expert on these matters, but IMO that's fine. | 16:17 |
| falktx | AutoStatic: yes, it goes to /usr/lib/wine | 16:17 |
| falktx | AutoStatic: but it uses ASIO, non-free stuff from the Windows world... | 16:18 |
| falktx | astraljava: thanks | 16:18 |
| AutoStatic | Yes I know falktx, but I was hinting at the fact that it seems to be packaged as a single binary while it is actually a library | 16:19 |
| AutoStatic | But then I'm not a packaging expert | 16:19 |
| falktx | AutoStatic: ah, that | 16:20 |
| AutoStatic | That will come when we start packaging for Natty | 16:20 |
| AutoStatic | ;) | 16:20 |
| falktx | AutoStatic: everyone was using the name 'wineasio' for the package, so I just continue the tradition | 16:20 |
| falktx | btw, I also have an external repo for really non-free stuff (closed source apps), these I know can't be on launchpad | 16:20 |
| AutoStatic | I don't mean the package name but apparently it's created with dh_make -s instead of dh_make -l | 16:22 |
| AutoStatic | Nah, letś not go into details | 16:22 |
| AutoStatic | It works :) | 16:22 |
| falktx | AutoStatic: what is the diff between '-s' and '-l' ? | 16:23 |
| AutoStatic | -s = single binary and -l = library | 16:24 |
| AutoStatic | I think package managers rely on this too | 16:24 |
| AutoStatic | Synaptic - Sections | 16:25 |
| AutoStatic | wineasio is now in sound while it shoudl be in libraries | 16:25 |
| AutoStatic | I think | 16:25 |
| falktx | hm... not sure | 16:26 |
| falktx | anyway, it's not a big issue | 16:26 |
| AutoStatic | Nope | 16:26 |
| AutoStatic | That kind of stuff is debatable | 16:26 |
| falktx | AutoStatic: when we make a PPA, you can easily fix it if you want | 16:26 |
| AutoStatic | Yes, but we'll see | 16:28 |
| falktx | so how should we name the team? | 16:28 |
| AutoStatic | It's still all a bit vague | 16:28 |
| AutoStatic | Ok, gotta go | 16:30 |
| scott-work | i realize that autostatic and falktx are not here but i wanted to add my opinion to this as well | 18:48 |
| scott-work | i would like to try to avoid implying that the ubuntu studio developer team would be responsible for maintaining or responsible for any packages in falktx/autostatic's group PPA | 18:49 |
| scott-work | perhaps calling the team "Ubuntu Studio Packaging Team" with a clear explanation that this is not part of the official Ubuntu Studio Dev team | 18:50 |
| scott-work | also mentioning that the purpose of the team is to package applications that cannot be in the official repositories due to licensing or too experimental as well | 18:51 |
| scott-work | hopefully falktx and autostatic can also focus on getting packages into the repos when possible, rather than take the quick satisfaction of putting everything into a PPA | 18:52 |
| scott-work | we will get much longer benefits if packages that *can* go into the repos actually see the work to *get* them into the repos | 18:53 |
| scott-work | preferrably into debian first though ;) | 18:53 |
| astraljava | modules see ya | 19:04 |
| astraljava | [20:33] < clave> hello? | 19:04 |
| astraljava | sorry | 19:05 |
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