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| alkisg | Good morning | 08:19 |
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| mhall119 | highvoltage: you need a visa to visit the USA from Canada? | 16:52 |
| mhall119 | or is this because you're in Canada on a visa from South Africa? | 16:53 |
| dinda | mhall119: the QIMO project should participate in the new Google project to get kids ages 13 - 18 into open source projects | 17:57 |
| dinda | mhall119: http://code.google.com/opensource/gci/2010-11/index.html | 17:57 |
| mhall119 | dinda: I was reading about that earlier | 17:58 |
| mhall119 | but we don't really have any "students" | 17:59 |
| dinda | mhall119: if Ubuntu as a project doesn't participate, the I might do it under the Edubuntu umbrella | 18:03 |
| mhall119 | the goal is to get teens writing code, correct? | 18:03 |
| dinda | mhall119: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleCodeIn2010/Ideas | 18:03 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: yep :-/ | 18:04 |
| dinda | mhall119: no, the tasks are much broader than just code | 18:04 |
| mhall119 | you know there is an ubuntu-youth team, right dinda ? | 18:04 |
| mhall119 | with specifically that age range | 18:04 |
| dinda | didn't think it was very active | 18:04 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: it's because I travel on a South African passport and their afraid I'm going to steel minimum wage labour work from Americans | 18:04 |
| highvoltage | s/their/they're/ | 18:04 |
| mhall119 | highvoltage: no no, only hispanics do that | 18:05 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: tell your government that ;) | 18:05 |
| mhall119 | no wonder they won't let you into the country, you've got your stereo-types all wrong | 18:05 |
| mhall119 | highvoltage: just tell them they're oppressing you because you're African | 18:05 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: oh, they're very aware of that! | 18:05 |
| mhall119 | I'll send Al Sharpton to the rescue | 18:05 |
| mhall119 | highvoltage: so are you going to miss all of UDS? | 18:07 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: I don't know. I'm going to miss at least Monday and Tuesday currently | 18:08 |
| mhall119 | ah, you'll miss the pizza party | 18:08 |
| highvoltage | yup. | 18:08 |
| mhall119 | I'd save you a slice, but my thursday it might be a bit funky | 18:08 |
| dinda | It doesn't look like I'll be making it to UDS either | 18:09 |
| highvoltage | It's not that I'm a very hateful person, but it's stuff like this that makes me understand why so many people are so anti-American | 18:09 |
| mhall119 | dinda: oh no! who's going to run your server-in-a-box session then? | 18:09 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: heh, I'll get some local pizza and be there in spirit :) | 18:09 |
| mhall119 | highvoltage: there you go | 18:09 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: would you have time fo fill in something like this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityReview/Sep2010/Advocacy | 19:54 |
| highvoltage | I guess it's better to have someone newer in our community fill it out than someone old | 19:54 |
| stgraber | mhall119: are you staying at the UDS hotel or driving everyday ? | 19:54 |
| mhall119 | you calling me old? | 19:54 |
| mhall119 | stgraber: i'll be driving | 19:54 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: no, I'm saying that stgraber and I are ;) | 19:54 |
| mhall119 | highvoltage: I'd be happy to fill it out for packaging and submitting to universe of my qimo packages | 19:56 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: great! | 19:58 |
| stgraber | mhall119: feels weird being outside by the swimming pool working on my laptop at the end of October ;) | 20:06 |
| mhall119 | stgraber: it's nice isn't it? | 20:19 |
| mhall119 | you'd never even know there was a tropical storm in the gurl | 20:19 |
| mhall119 | gulf | 20:19 |
| stgraber | mhall119: saw that on TV last night | 20:20 |
| mhall119 | welcome to Florida! | 20:20 |
| TheProf | I have a question: I've been running Fedora 10+LTSP in our school and just installed a second server with Edubuntu (Ubuntu 10.10+ltsp). Both servers in same rack, same internet connectivity, etc. Installed FreeNX on both for remote access. For some reason the Ubuntu box's session is *much* slower than the Fedora box, even though it's on superior hardware. Desktop effects are off. Any... | 21:04 |
| TheProf | ...recommendations please? | 21:04 |
| alkisg | Different freenx versions? Try neatx? | 21:05 |
| stgraber | where did you take you freenx for Edubuntu ? | 21:05 |
| stgraber | the one in freenx-team is broken | 21:05 |
| TheProf | alkisg: I know the client version is the same one because I'm using it on an XP machine to connect to both Linux servers at the same time. | 21:06 |
| alkisg | The client ok, but the server? | 21:06 |
| TheProf | stgraber: I followed the instructions online to obtain it through an apt-get repository | 21:06 |
| TheProf | Let me just check the exact details now on it | 21:07 |
| stgraber | ok, so you probably use the broken version. | 21:07 |
| stgraber | does it take 40s to connect (give or take) ? | 21:07 |
| TheProf | I'm trying it now - yes it does seem to take about half a minute. | 21:08 |
| stgraber | you may want to remove the freenx-team PPA, remove the freenx packages you currently have installed, add https://launchpad.net/~revolution-linux/+archive/ppa and reinstall the same packages (we have a different version in that ppa) | 21:08 |
| stgraber | in my tests the one in freenx-team takes 40s to connect and feels sluggish, the one in revolution-linux is an older version we ported to maverick and connects in 4-5s | 21:09 |
| alkisg | stgraber: got any neatx version there? :) | 21:10 |
| alkisg | The neatx from freenx-ppa also takes 40 secs to connect, but is fast when it does | 21:10 |
| stgraber | alkisg: nope, we use freenx for RDP quite a lot and neatx doesn't support RDP | 21:10 |
| TheProf | OK so I just went through the shell commands I used to install it. I actually installed it by downloading and installing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/freenx-server/+bug/576359/+attachment/1378450/+files/nxsetup.tar.gz | 21:10 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 576359 in FreeNX Server "How to install in Lucid" [Undecided,New] | 21:10 |
| stgraber | alkisg: the issue in our tests was the agent, maybe they share the same code for that part | 21:10 |
| alkisg | One can connect with an rdp client to freenx?! | 21:11 |
| TheProf | alkisg: I am not familiar with neatx - is it the same thing as FreeNX? | 21:11 |
| stgraber | alkisg: nope, the other way around. We use it for a few customers who have a ltsp-cluster setup but with Windows server | 21:11 |
| alkisg | TheProf: yes, it's smaller and easier to setup, but apparently it lacks features... | 21:11 |
| stgraber | alkisg: NX is a lot faster and takes a lot less bandwidth than RDP | 21:11 |
| stgraber | alkisg: so they connect over NX, we load-balance them then connect over RDP from the NX load balancer to their RDP application server | 21:12 |
| alkisg | Ah, got it, ty | 21:12 |
| alkisg | TheProf: neatx is on the same freenx-team ppa | 21:12 |
| TheProf | so basically what i did was download, untar, and run /usr/lib/nx/setup --install | 21:13 |
| alkisg | Maybe they use some common broken library that dns-timeouts before connecting, I heard something like that | 21:13 |
| TheProf | stgraber: can I uninstall that version I put in and install the one you recommended? | 21:13 |
| stgraber | ouch, you really should have installed it from the package | 21:14 |
| stgraber | removing it when installed by hand will be quite tricky | 21:14 |
| TheProf | Argh. It was the only guide I could find at the time. | 21:15 |
| stgraber | what you would want is a clean Edubuntu install, then do: | 21:15 |
| stgraber | 1) sudo apt-add-repository ppa:revolution-linux/ppa | 21:16 |
| stgraber | 2) sudo apt-get install freenx-server | 21:16 |
| stgraber | 3) you're done | 21:16 |
| TheProf | I just took a look at the setup script and it accepts an --uninstall option | 21:16 |
| TheProf | stgraber: ok that's great instructions thank you | 21:16 |
| stgraber | TheProf: you can test it at: http://www.edubuntu.org/vmmanager | 21:16 |
| stgraber | TheProf: that's what we use for our web demo | 21:16 |
| TheProf | I understand. this machine is a clean installation so hopefully I can get it removed | 21:17 |
| alkisg | stgraber: cool!!! | 21:17 |
| highvoltage | alkisg: you didn't know about that yet? :p | 21:20 |
| alkisg | Nope, you guys didn't give it enough publicity! | 21:20 |
| TheProf | I had no idea either. | 21:21 |
| highvoltage | alkisg: suggestions welcome on where it should be publicized ;) | 21:21 |
| alkisg | I'll do my part :) | 21:21 |
| TheProf | stgraber: argh x 2 - I successfully was able to uninstall the nxserver I downloaded and got "Ok, NX server is uninstalled" message but after I followed your instructions I got "freenx-server already the newest version" | 21:22 |
| TheProf | what are the chances this can be resolved by rebooting the server? :D | 21:23 |
| stgraber | apparently their uninstall script doesn't work so well | 21:23 |
| stgraber | very very slim | 21:23 |
| TheProf | OK. | 21:23 |
| TheProf | interestingly apt-get remove freenx-server seems to work | 21:24 |
| stgraber | oh, maybe removing it will cleanup the previous install, then reinstall might work | 21:25 |
| TheProf | During the removal apt also mentioned a bunch of packages that were installed and no longer required: mbfs libxcompshad3 esound-common nx-common libxcompext3 nxagent libxcomp3 libesd0 expect freenx-smb libaudiofile0 nxlibs cifs-utils esound-clients | 21:26 |
| TheProf | Seems like a lot of stuff for just freenx | 21:27 |
| stgraber | apt-get autoremove --purge | 21:27 |
| TheProf | highvoltage: I'd recommend that NX info be available perhaps on the Wiki/community pages? I know I checked there first for anything like it but couldn't find anything | 21:27 |
| stgraber | will get rid of these | 21:27 |
| TheProf | stgraber: thank you - I am trying it now | 21:28 |
| stgraber | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX might need an update, it's still recommending the freenx-team ppa | 21:29 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: ^ | 21:29 |
| highvoltage | I see. | 21:29 |
| highvoltage | (for lack of better response :p) | 21:29 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: you mean, get rid of these as in replacing with x2go? | 21:30 |
| TheProf | X2go from what I understand doesn't work in Windows right? | 21:30 |
| stgraber | it does, though the packaging really sucks on the server side | 21:30 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: at least update it to refer to revolution-linux's ppa which gives you a working nx | 21:31 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: because freenx-team currently uses a newer upstream NX that works only half of the time, takes a long time to connect and feels slower | 21:31 |
| TheProf | OK - just asking as our teachers, etc would access the server generally through Windows. | 21:31 |
| highvoltage | *sigh* we need a bigger docs team :) | 21:31 |
| TheProf | the autoremove purge command worked except that user nx seems to still be logged in and therefore can't be deleted. | 21:33 |
| TheProf | is the correction solution to switch to single-user mode? | 21:33 |
| TheProf | or am I just making stuff up? :) | 21:34 |
| stgraber | sudo pkill -u nx | 21:34 |
| stgraber | that should fix your nx user issue | 21:34 |
| stgraber | sudo deluser nx | 21:34 |
| stgraber | to actually remove it after that | 21:34 |
| TheProf | OK great. Deleted the user, and then apt-get autoremove -- purge worked fine. Then ran apt-get install freenx-server and it installed. however, I think it installed it from the wrong source (IE: freenx-team PPA rather than the other one). Is there a way to determine where a package came from? | 21:38 |
| stgraber | dpkg -l | grep freenx-server | 21:40 |
| stgraber | what's the version number you see there ? | 21:41 |
| TheProf | 0.7.3.git100327.e224628-0~ppa7~lucid | 21:41 |
| stgraber | 0.7.3.git100327.e224628-0~ppa6~maverick is the one in revolution-linux | 21:41 |
| stgraber | ah, you are running lucid | 21:41 |
| TheProf | you mean the OS or the version of freenx? | 21:41 |
| stgraber | os | 21:42 |
| TheProf | I just installed Edubuntu 10.10 on Monday | 21:42 |
| TheProf | it was a clean install | 21:42 |
| TheProf | I may have screwed up and mixed repositories? :( | 21:42 |
| TheProf | Didn't think that was possible. | 21:43 |
| stgraber | I guess you did ;) | 21:43 |
| stgraber | grep -ri lucid /etc/apt/ | 21:43 |
| TheProf | Is there a pastebin or should I paste it in here? | 21:44 |
| stgraber | is it giving you that many lines ? | 21:44 |
| TheProf | 4 plus 2 permission denied errors | 21:44 |
| stgraber | paste.ubuntu.com | 21:44 |
| TheProf | http://paste.ubuntu.com/518278/ | 21:45 |
| stgraber | ok, so: | 21:46 |
| stgraber | 1) sudo apt-get remove --purge freenx-server | 21:46 |
| stgraber | 2) sudo apt-get autoremove --purge | 21:46 |
| stgraber | 3) rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/freenx-team-ppa-maverick.list | 21:46 |
| stgraber | 4) sudo apt-get update | 21:46 |
| stgraber | 5) sudo apt-get install freenx-server | 21:46 |
| stgraber | assuming you already did the apt-add-repository, it "should" work | 21:46 |
| TheProf | It's just processing now | 21:49 |
| TheProf | OK, running dpkg -l | grep freenx-server gives | 21:49 |
| TheProf | 0.7.3.git100327.e224628-0~ppa6~maverick | 21:49 |
| TheProf | Wohoo! same one you had :) | 21:50 |
| stgraber | that's better ;) | 21:50 |
| TheProf | stgraber: Indeed! thank you. | 21:50 |
| TheProf | I just have to now generate a new key and try it out on the client | 21:50 |
| TheProf | unless it inherited the old key? :) | 21:51 |
| stgraber | key should be fine | 21:51 |
| stgraber | oops, 5 minutes of battery life, apparently I should head back to my room ... will be back a bit later | 21:55 |
| TheProf | stgraber: just got it to work | 21:58 |
| TheProf | It's faster than the other version of FreeNX that was installed for sure. | 22:00 |
| TheProf | There still seems to be some rendering issues -- for example it doesn't render the titlebar of the windows - it's just missing. If you click where it should be, it is there, but invisible. | 22:03 |
| stgraber | oh, weird, never saw that before | 22:06 |
| stgraber | do you also see that issue on www.edubuntu.org/vmmanager ? | 22:06 |
| TheProf | trying it there now | 22:07 |
| TheProf | the previous version of freeNX we just uninstalled had a similar problem -- instead of the bar being invisible, it was all fuzzy like an out-of-tune analog TV | 22:08 |
| stgraber | weird, I never saw that before ... could it be a client configuration issue ? | 22:11 |
| TheProf | stgraber: could be. The vmmanager doesn't allow me to connect. It always fails after the connection is established with a 'authentifcation failed for user' note. I tried two different usernames and passwords | 22:12 |
| TheProf | stgraber: trying a different browser now | 22:13 |
| stgraber | oh, something is indeed a bit off with that VM ... I'm checking | 22:13 |
| TheProf | No problem | 22:15 |
| TheProf | Yup - it is faster but I think I was spoiled by the previous FreeNX sessions under Fedora. For some reason it REALLY flew under K12Linux | 22:27 |
| shazzr | Anyone who use SMARTboard+Edubuntu? | 22:30 |
| TheProf | stgraber: Unfortunately I have to leave now. Thank you very much for your help -- hopefully I will try the vmmanager link and see if it also shows the same NX issues. Thanks | 22:44 |
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