=== ubott2 is now known as ubottu [08:19] Good morning [16:52] highvoltage: you need a visa to visit the USA from Canada? [16:53] or is this because you're in Canada on a visa from South Africa? [17:57] mhall119: the QIMO project should participate in the new Google project to get kids ages 13 - 18 into open source projects [17:57] mhall119: http://code.google.com/opensource/gci/2010-11/index.html [17:58] dinda: I was reading about that earlier [17:59] but we don't really have any "students" [18:03] mhall119: if Ubuntu as a project doesn't participate, the I might do it under the Edubuntu umbrella [18:03] the goal is to get teens writing code, correct? [18:03] mhall119: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleCodeIn2010/Ideas [18:04] mhall119: yep :-/ [18:04] mhall119: no, the tasks are much broader than just code [18:04] you know there is an ubuntu-youth team, right dinda ? [18:04] with specifically that age range [18:04] didn't think it was very active [18:04] mhall119: it's because I travel on a South African passport and their afraid I'm going to steel minimum wage labour work from Americans [18:04] s/their/they're/ [18:05] highvoltage: no no, only hispanics do that [18:05] mhall119: tell your government that ;) [18:05] no wonder they won't let you into the country, you've got your stereo-types all wrong [18:05] highvoltage: just tell them they're oppressing you because you're African [18:05] mhall119: oh, they're very aware of that! [18:05] I'll send Al Sharpton to the rescue [18:07] highvoltage: so are you going to miss all of UDS? [18:08] mhall119: I don't know. I'm going to miss at least Monday and Tuesday currently [18:08] ah, you'll miss the pizza party [18:08] yup. [18:08] I'd save you a slice, but my thursday it might be a bit funky [18:09] It doesn't look like I'll be making it to UDS either [18:09] It's not that I'm a very hateful person, but it's stuff like this that makes me understand why so many people are so anti-American [18:09] dinda: oh no! who's going to run your server-in-a-box session then? [18:09] mhall119: heh, I'll get some local pizza and be there in spirit :) [18:09] highvoltage: there you go [19:54] mhall119: would you have time fo fill in something like this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityReview/Sep2010/Advocacy [19:54] I guess it's better to have someone newer in our community fill it out than someone old [19:54] mhall119: are you staying at the UDS hotel or driving everyday ? [19:54] you calling me old? [19:54] stgraber: i'll be driving [19:54] mhall119: no, I'm saying that stgraber and I are ;) [19:56] highvoltage: I'd be happy to fill it out for packaging and submitting to universe of my qimo packages [19:58] mhall119: great! [20:06] mhall119: feels weird being outside by the swimming pool working on my laptop at the end of October ;) [20:19] stgraber: it's nice isn't it? [20:19] you'd never even know there was a tropical storm in the gurl [20:19] gulf [20:20] mhall119: saw that on TV last night [20:20] welcome to Florida! [21:04] I have a question: I've been running Fedora 10+LTSP in our school and just installed a second server with Edubuntu (Ubuntu 10.10+ltsp). Both servers in same rack, same internet connectivity, etc. Installed FreeNX on both for remote access. For some reason the Ubuntu box's session is *much* slower than the Fedora box, even though it's on superior hardware. Desktop effects are off. Any... [21:04] ...recommendations please? [21:05] Different freenx versions? Try neatx? [21:05] where did you take you freenx for Edubuntu ? [21:05] the one in freenx-team is broken [21:06] alkisg: I know the client version is the same one because I'm using it on an XP machine to connect to both Linux servers at the same time. [21:06] The client ok, but the server? [21:06] stgraber: I followed the instructions online to obtain it through an apt-get repository [21:07] Let me just check the exact details now on it [21:07] ok, so you probably use the broken version. [21:07] does it take 40s to connect (give or take) ? [21:08] I'm trying it now - yes it does seem to take about half a minute. [21:08] you may want to remove the freenx-team PPA, remove the freenx packages you currently have installed, add https://launchpad.net/~revolution-linux/+archive/ppa and reinstall the same packages (we have a different version in that ppa) [21:09] in my tests the one in freenx-team takes 40s to connect and feels sluggish, the one in revolution-linux is an older version we ported to maverick and connects in 4-5s [21:10] stgraber: got any neatx version there? :) [21:10] The neatx from freenx-ppa also takes 40 secs to connect, but is fast when it does [21:10] alkisg: nope, we use freenx for RDP quite a lot and neatx doesn't support RDP [21:10] OK so I just went through the shell commands I used to install it. I actually installed it by downloading and installing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/freenx-server/+bug/576359/+attachment/1378450/+files/nxsetup.tar.gz [21:10] Launchpad bug 576359 in FreeNX Server "How to install in Lucid" [Undecided,New] [21:10] alkisg: the issue in our tests was the agent, maybe they share the same code for that part [21:11] One can connect with an rdp client to freenx?! [21:11] alkisg: I am not familiar with neatx - is it the same thing as FreeNX? [21:11] alkisg: nope, the other way around. We use it for a few customers who have a ltsp-cluster setup but with Windows server [21:11] TheProf: yes, it's smaller and easier to setup, but apparently it lacks features... [21:11] alkisg: NX is a lot faster and takes a lot less bandwidth than RDP [21:12] alkisg: so they connect over NX, we load-balance them then connect over RDP from the NX load balancer to their RDP application server [21:12] Ah, got it, ty [21:12] TheProf: neatx is on the same freenx-team ppa [21:13] so basically what i did was download, untar, and run /usr/lib/nx/setup --install [21:13] Maybe they use some common broken library that dns-timeouts before connecting, I heard something like that [21:13] stgraber: can I uninstall that version I put in and install the one you recommended? [21:14] ouch, you really should have installed it from the package [21:14] removing it when installed by hand will be quite tricky [21:15] Argh. It was the only guide I could find at the time. [21:15] what you would want is a clean Edubuntu install, then do: [21:16] 1) sudo apt-add-repository ppa:revolution-linux/ppa [21:16] 2) sudo apt-get install freenx-server [21:16] 3) you're done [21:16] I just took a look at the setup script and it accepts an --uninstall option [21:16] stgraber: ok that's great instructions thank you [21:16] TheProf: you can test it at: http://www.edubuntu.org/vmmanager [21:16] TheProf: that's what we use for our web demo [21:17] I understand. this machine is a clean installation so hopefully I can get it removed [21:17] stgraber: cool!!! [21:20] alkisg: you didn't know about that yet? :p [21:20] Nope, you guys didn't give it enough publicity! [21:21] I had no idea either. [21:21] alkisg: suggestions welcome on where it should be publicized ;) [21:21] I'll do my part :) [21:22] stgraber: argh x 2 - I successfully was able to uninstall the nxserver I downloaded and got "Ok, NX server is uninstalled" message but after I followed your instructions I got "freenx-server already the newest version" [21:23] what are the chances this can be resolved by rebooting the server? :D [21:23] apparently their uninstall script doesn't work so well [21:23] very very slim [21:23] OK. [21:24] interestingly apt-get remove freenx-server seems to work [21:25] oh, maybe removing it will cleanup the previous install, then reinstall might work [21:26] During the removal apt also mentioned a bunch of packages that were installed and no longer required: mbfs libxcompshad3 esound-common nx-common libxcompext3 nxagent libxcomp3 libesd0 expect freenx-smb libaudiofile0 nxlibs cifs-utils esound-clients [21:27] Seems like a lot of stuff for just freenx [21:27] apt-get autoremove --purge [21:27] highvoltage: I'd recommend that NX info be available perhaps on the Wiki/community pages? I know I checked there first for anything like it but couldn't find anything [21:27] will get rid of these [21:28] stgraber: thank you - I am trying it now [21:29] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX might need an update, it's still recommending the freenx-team ppa [21:29] highvoltage: ^ [21:29] I see. [21:29] (for lack of better response :p) [21:30] stgraber: you mean, get rid of these as in replacing with x2go? [21:30] X2go from what I understand doesn't work in Windows right? [21:30] it does, though the packaging really sucks on the server side [21:31] highvoltage: at least update it to refer to revolution-linux's ppa which gives you a working nx [21:31] highvoltage: because freenx-team currently uses a newer upstream NX that works only half of the time, takes a long time to connect and feels slower [21:31] OK - just asking as our teachers, etc would access the server generally through Windows. [21:31] *sigh* we need a bigger docs team :) [21:33] the autoremove purge command worked except that user nx seems to still be logged in and therefore can't be deleted. [21:33] is the correction solution to switch to single-user mode? [21:34] or am I just making stuff up? :) [21:34] sudo pkill -u nx [21:34] that should fix your nx user issue [21:34] sudo deluser nx [21:34] to actually remove it after that [21:38] OK great. Deleted the user, and then apt-get autoremove -- purge worked fine. Then ran apt-get install freenx-server and it installed. however, I think it installed it from the wrong source (IE: freenx-team PPA rather than the other one). Is there a way to determine where a package came from? [21:40] dpkg -l | grep freenx-server [21:41] what's the version number you see there ? [21:41] 0.7.3.git100327.e224628-0~ppa7~lucid [21:41] 0.7.3.git100327.e224628-0~ppa6~maverick is the one in revolution-linux [21:41] ah, you are running lucid [21:41] you mean the OS or the version of freenx? [21:42] os [21:42] I just installed Edubuntu 10.10 on Monday [21:42] it was a clean install [21:42] I may have screwed up and mixed repositories? :( [21:43] Didn't think that was possible. [21:43] I guess you did ;) [21:43] grep -ri lucid /etc/apt/ [21:44] Is there a pastebin or should I paste it in here? [21:44] is it giving you that many lines ? [21:44] 4 plus 2 permission denied errors [21:44] paste.ubuntu.com [21:45] http://paste.ubuntu.com/518278/ [21:46] ok, so: [21:46] 1) sudo apt-get remove --purge freenx-server [21:46] 2) sudo apt-get autoremove --purge [21:46] 3) rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/freenx-team-ppa-maverick.list [21:46] 4) sudo apt-get update [21:46] 5) sudo apt-get install freenx-server [21:46] assuming you already did the apt-add-repository, it "should" work [21:49] It's just processing now [21:49] OK, running dpkg -l | grep freenx-server gives [21:49] 0.7.3.git100327.e224628-0~ppa6~maverick [21:50] Wohoo! same one you had :) [21:50] that's better ;) [21:50] stgraber: Indeed! thank you. [21:50] I just have to now generate a new key and try it out on the client [21:51] unless it inherited the old key? :) [21:51] key should be fine [21:55] oops, 5 minutes of battery life, apparently I should head back to my room ... will be back a bit later [21:58] stgraber: just got it to work [22:00] It's faster than the other version of FreeNX that was installed for sure. [22:03] There still seems to be some rendering issues -- for example it doesn't render the titlebar of the windows - it's just missing. If you click where it should be, it is there, but invisible. [22:06] oh, weird, never saw that before [22:06] do you also see that issue on www.edubuntu.org/vmmanager ? [22:07] trying it there now [22:08] the previous version of freeNX we just uninstalled had a similar problem -- instead of the bar being invisible, it was all fuzzy like an out-of-tune analog TV [22:11] weird, I never saw that before ... could it be a client configuration issue ? [22:12] stgraber: could be. The vmmanager doesn't allow me to connect. It always fails after the connection is established with a 'authentifcation failed for user' note. I tried two different usernames and passwords [22:13] stgraber: trying a different browser now [22:13] oh, something is indeed a bit off with that VM ... I'm checking [22:15] No problem [22:27] Yup - it is faster but I think I was spoiled by the previous FreeNX sessions under Fedora. For some reason it REALLY flew under K12Linux [22:30] Anyone who use SMARTboard+Edubuntu? [22:44] stgraber: Unfortunately I have to leave now. Thank you very much for your help -- hopefully I will try the vmmanager link and see if it also shows the same NX issues. Thanks