[08:19] <alkisg> Good morning
[16:52] <mhall119> highvoltage: you need a visa to visit the USA from Canada?
[16:53] <mhall119> or is this because you're in Canada on a visa from South Africa?
[17:57] <dinda> mhall119: the QIMO project should participate in the new Google project to get kids ages 13 - 18 into open source projects
[17:57] <dinda> mhall119: http://code.google.com/opensource/gci/2010-11/index.html
[17:58] <mhall119> dinda: I was reading about that earlier
[17:59] <mhall119> but we don't really have any "students"
[18:03] <dinda> mhall119: if Ubuntu as a project doesn't participate, the I might do it under the Edubuntu umbrella
[18:03] <mhall119> the goal is to get teens writing code, correct?
[18:03] <dinda> mhall119: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleCodeIn2010/Ideas
[18:04] <highvoltage> mhall119: yep :-/
[18:04] <dinda> mhall119: no, the tasks are much broader than just code
[18:04] <mhall119> you know there is an ubuntu-youth team, right dinda ?
[18:04] <mhall119> with specifically that age range
[18:04] <dinda> didn't think it was very active
[18:04] <highvoltage> mhall119: it's because I travel on a South African passport and their afraid I'm going to steel minimum wage labour work from Americans
[18:04] <highvoltage> s/their/they're/
[18:05] <mhall119> highvoltage: no no, only hispanics do that
[18:05] <highvoltage> mhall119: tell your government that ;)
[18:05] <mhall119> no wonder they won't let you into the country, you've got your stereo-types all wrong
[18:05] <mhall119> highvoltage: just tell them they're oppressing you because you're African
[18:05] <highvoltage> mhall119: oh, they're very aware of that!
[18:05] <mhall119> I'll send Al Sharpton to the rescue
[18:07] <mhall119> highvoltage: so are you going to miss all of UDS?
[18:08] <highvoltage> mhall119: I don't know. I'm going to miss at least Monday and Tuesday currently
[18:08] <mhall119> ah, you'll miss the pizza party
[18:08] <highvoltage> yup.
[18:08] <mhall119> I'd save you a slice, but my thursday it might be a bit funky
[18:09] <dinda> It doesn't look like I'll be making it to UDS either
[18:09] <highvoltage> It's not that I'm a very hateful person, but it's stuff like this that makes me understand why so many people are so anti-American
[18:09] <mhall119> dinda: oh no! who's going to run your server-in-a-box session then?
[18:09] <highvoltage> mhall119: heh, I'll get some local pizza and be there in spirit :)
[18:09] <mhall119> highvoltage: there you go
[19:54] <highvoltage> mhall119: would you have time fo fill in something like this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityReview/Sep2010/Advocacy
[19:54] <highvoltage> I guess it's better to have someone newer in our community fill it out than someone old
[19:54] <stgraber> mhall119: are you staying at the UDS hotel or driving everyday ?
[19:54] <mhall119> you calling me old?
[19:54] <mhall119> stgraber: i'll be driving
[19:54] <highvoltage> mhall119: no, I'm saying that stgraber and I are ;)
[19:56] <mhall119> highvoltage: I'd be happy to fill it out for packaging and submitting to universe of my qimo packages
[19:58] <highvoltage> mhall119: great!
[20:06] <stgraber> mhall119: feels weird being outside by the swimming pool working on my laptop at the end of October ;)
[20:19] <mhall119> stgraber: it's nice isn't it?
[20:19] <mhall119> you'd never even know there was a tropical storm in the gurl
[20:19] <mhall119> gulf
[20:20] <stgraber> mhall119: saw that on TV last night
[20:20] <mhall119> welcome to Florida!
[21:04] <TheProf> I have a question: I've been running Fedora 10+LTSP in our school and just installed a second server with Edubuntu (Ubuntu 10.10+ltsp). Both servers in same rack, same internet connectivity, etc.  Installed FreeNX on both for remote access. For some reason the Ubuntu box's session is *much* slower than the Fedora box, even though it's on superior hardware. Desktop effects are off.  Any...
[21:04] <TheProf> ...recommendations please?
[21:05] <alkisg> Different freenx versions? Try neatx?
[21:05] <stgraber> where did you take you freenx for Edubuntu ?
[21:05] <stgraber> the one in freenx-team is broken
[21:06] <TheProf> alkisg: I know the client version is the same one because I'm using it on an XP machine to connect to both Linux servers at the same time.
[21:06] <alkisg> The client ok, but the server?
[21:06] <TheProf> stgraber: I followed the instructions online to obtain it through an apt-get repository
[21:07] <TheProf> Let me just check the exact details now on it
[21:07] <stgraber> ok, so you probably use the broken version.
[21:07] <stgraber> does it take 40s to connect (give or take) ?
[21:08] <TheProf> I'm trying it now - yes it does seem to take about half a minute.
[21:08] <stgraber> you may want to remove the freenx-team PPA, remove the freenx packages you currently have installed, add https://launchpad.net/~revolution-linux/+archive/ppa and reinstall the same packages (we have a different version in that ppa)
[21:09] <stgraber> in my tests the one in freenx-team takes 40s to connect and feels sluggish, the one in revolution-linux is an older version we ported to maverick and connects in 4-5s
[21:10] <alkisg> stgraber: got any neatx version there? :)
[21:10] <alkisg> The neatx from freenx-ppa also takes 40 secs to connect, but is fast when it does
[21:10] <stgraber> alkisg: nope, we use freenx for RDP quite a lot and neatx doesn't support RDP
[21:10] <TheProf> OK so I just went through the shell commands I used to install it. I actually installed it by downloading and installing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/freenx-server/+bug/576359/+attachment/1378450/+files/nxsetup.tar.gz
[21:10] <stgraber> alkisg: the issue in our tests was the agent, maybe they share the same code for that part
[21:11] <alkisg> One can connect with an rdp client to freenx?!
[21:11] <TheProf> alkisg: I am not familiar with neatx - is it the same thing as FreeNX?
[21:11] <stgraber> alkisg: nope, the other way around. We use it for a few customers who have a ltsp-cluster setup but with Windows server
[21:11] <alkisg> TheProf: yes, it's smaller and easier to setup, but apparently it lacks features...
[21:11] <stgraber> alkisg: NX is a lot faster and takes a lot less bandwidth than RDP
[21:12] <stgraber> alkisg: so they connect over NX, we load-balance them then connect over RDP from the NX load balancer to their RDP application server
[21:12] <alkisg> Ah, got it, ty
[21:12] <alkisg> TheProf: neatx is on the same freenx-team ppa
[21:13] <TheProf> so basically what i did was download, untar, and run /usr/lib/nx/setup --install
[21:13] <alkisg> Maybe they use some common broken library that dns-timeouts before connecting, I heard something like that
[21:13] <TheProf> stgraber: can I uninstall that version I put in and install the one you recommended?
[21:14] <stgraber> ouch, you really should have installed it from the package
[21:14] <stgraber> removing it when installed by hand will be quite tricky
[21:15] <TheProf> Argh.  It was the only guide I could find at the time.
[21:15] <stgraber> what you would want is a clean Edubuntu install, then do:
[21:16] <stgraber> 1) sudo apt-add-repository ppa:revolution-linux/ppa
[21:16] <stgraber> 2) sudo apt-get install freenx-server
[21:16] <stgraber> 3) you're done
[21:16] <TheProf> I just took a look at the setup script and it accepts an --uninstall option
[21:16] <TheProf> stgraber: ok that's great instructions thank you
[21:16] <stgraber> TheProf: you can test it at: http://www.edubuntu.org/vmmanager
[21:16] <stgraber> TheProf: that's what we use for our web demo
[21:17] <TheProf> I understand. this machine is a clean installation so hopefully I can get it removed
[21:17] <alkisg> stgraber: cool!!!
[21:20] <highvoltage> alkisg: you didn't know about that yet? :p
[21:20] <alkisg> Nope, you guys didn't give it enough publicity!
[21:21] <TheProf> I had no idea either.
[21:21] <highvoltage> alkisg: suggestions welcome on where it should be publicized ;)
[21:21] <alkisg> I'll do my part :)
[21:22] <TheProf> stgraber: argh x 2 - I successfully was able to uninstall the nxserver I downloaded and got "Ok, NX server is uninstalled" message but after I followed your instructions I got "freenx-server already the newest version"
[21:23] <TheProf> what are the chances this can be resolved by rebooting the server? :D
[21:23] <stgraber> apparently their uninstall script doesn't work so well
[21:23] <stgraber> very very slim
[21:23] <TheProf> OK.
[21:24] <TheProf> interestingly apt-get remove freenx-server seems to work
[21:25] <stgraber> oh, maybe removing it will cleanup the previous install, then reinstall might work
[21:26] <TheProf> During the removal apt also mentioned a bunch of packages that were installed and no longer required: mbfs libxcompshad3 esound-common nx-common libxcompext3 nxagent libxcomp3 libesd0 expect freenx-smb libaudiofile0 nxlibs cifs-utils esound-clients
[21:27] <TheProf> Seems like a lot of stuff for just freenx
[21:27] <stgraber> apt-get autoremove --purge
[21:27] <TheProf> highvoltage: I'd recommend that NX info be available perhaps on the Wiki/community pages?  I know I checked there first for anything like it but couldn't find anything
[21:27] <stgraber> will get rid of these
[21:28] <TheProf> stgraber: thank you - I am trying it now
[21:29] <stgraber> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX might need an update, it's still recommending the freenx-team ppa
[21:29] <stgraber> highvoltage: ^
[21:29] <highvoltage> I see.
[21:29] <highvoltage> (for lack of better response :p)
[21:30] <highvoltage> stgraber: you mean, get rid of these as in replacing with x2go?
[21:30] <TheProf> X2go from what I understand doesn't work in Windows right?
[21:30] <stgraber> it does, though the packaging really sucks on the server side
[21:31] <stgraber> highvoltage: at least update it to refer to revolution-linux's ppa which gives you a working nx
[21:31] <stgraber> highvoltage: because freenx-team currently uses a newer upstream NX that works only half of the time, takes a long time to connect and feels slower
[21:31] <TheProf> OK - just asking as our teachers, etc would access the server generally through Windows.
[21:31] <highvoltage> *sigh* we need a bigger docs team :)
[21:33] <TheProf> the autoremove purge command worked except that user nx seems to still be logged in and therefore can't be deleted.
[21:33] <TheProf> is the correction solution to switch to single-user mode?
[21:34] <TheProf> or am I just making stuff up? :)
[21:34] <stgraber> sudo pkill -u nx
[21:34] <stgraber> that should fix your nx user issue
[21:34] <stgraber> sudo deluser nx
[21:34] <stgraber> to actually remove it after that
[21:38] <TheProf> OK great. Deleted the user, and then apt-get autoremove -- purge worked fine.  Then ran apt-get install freenx-server and it installed. however, I think it installed it from the wrong source (IE: freenx-team PPA rather than the other one). Is there a way to determine where a package came from?
[21:40] <stgraber> dpkg -l | grep freenx-server
[21:41] <stgraber> what's the version number you see there ?
[21:41] <TheProf> 0.7.3.git100327.e224628-0~ppa7~lucid
[21:41] <stgraber> 0.7.3.git100327.e224628-0~ppa6~maverick is the one in revolution-linux
[21:41] <stgraber> ah, you are running lucid
[21:41] <TheProf> you mean the OS or the version of freenx?
[21:42] <stgraber> os
[21:42] <TheProf> I just installed Edubuntu 10.10 on Monday
[21:42] <TheProf> it was a clean install
[21:42] <TheProf> I may have screwed up and mixed repositories? :(
[21:43] <TheProf> Didn't think that was possible.
[21:43] <stgraber> I guess you did ;)
[21:43] <stgraber> grep -ri lucid /etc/apt/
[21:44] <TheProf> Is there a pastebin or should I paste it in here?
[21:44] <stgraber> is it giving you that many lines ?
[21:44] <TheProf> 4 plus 2 permission denied errors
[21:44] <stgraber> paste.ubuntu.com
[21:45] <TheProf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/518278/
[21:46] <stgraber> ok, so:
[21:46] <stgraber> 1) sudo apt-get remove --purge freenx-server
[21:46] <stgraber> 2) sudo apt-get autoremove --purge
[21:46] <stgraber> 3) rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/freenx-team-ppa-maverick.list
[21:46] <stgraber> 4) sudo apt-get update
[21:46] <stgraber> 5) sudo apt-get install freenx-server
[21:46] <stgraber> assuming you already did the apt-add-repository, it "should" work
[21:49] <TheProf> It's just processing now
[21:49] <TheProf> OK, running dpkg -l | grep freenx-server gives
[21:49] <TheProf> 0.7.3.git100327.e224628-0~ppa6~maverick
[21:50] <TheProf> Wohoo! same one you had :)
[21:50] <stgraber> that's better ;)
[21:50] <TheProf> stgraber: Indeed! thank you.
[21:50] <TheProf> I just have to now generate a new key and try it out on the client
[21:51] <TheProf> unless it inherited the old key? :)
[21:51] <stgraber> key should be fine
[21:55] <stgraber> oops, 5 minutes of battery life, apparently I should head back to my room ... will be back a bit later
[21:58] <TheProf> stgraber: just got it to work
[22:00] <TheProf> It's faster than the other version of FreeNX that was installed for sure.
[22:03] <TheProf> There still seems to be some rendering issues -- for example it doesn't render the titlebar of the windows - it's just missing. If you click where it should be, it is there, but invisible.
[22:06] <stgraber> oh, weird, never saw that before
[22:06] <stgraber> do you also see that issue on www.edubuntu.org/vmmanager ?
[22:07] <TheProf> trying it there now
[22:08] <TheProf> the previous version of freeNX we just uninstalled had a similar problem -- instead of the bar being invisible, it was all fuzzy like an out-of-tune analog TV
[22:11] <stgraber> weird, I never saw that before ... could it be a client configuration issue ?
[22:12] <TheProf> stgraber: could be.  The vmmanager doesn't allow me to connect. It always fails after the connection is established with a 'authentifcation failed for user' note. I tried two different usernames and passwords
[22:13] <TheProf> stgraber: trying a different browser now
[22:13] <stgraber> oh, something is indeed a bit off with that VM ... I'm checking
[22:15] <TheProf> No problem
[22:27] <TheProf> Yup - it is faster but I think I was spoiled by the previous FreeNX sessions under Fedora. For some reason it REALLY flew under K12Linux
[22:30] <shazzr> Anyone who use SMARTboard+Edubuntu?
[22:44] <TheProf> stgraber: Unfortunately I have to leave now.  Thank you very much for your help -- hopefully I will try the vmmanager link and see if it also shows the same NX issues. Thanks