[00:04] <KombuchaKip> If someone can confirm, we're having a meeting today in about an hour. Among the agenda, applications for membership.
[00:06] <kim0> I am waiting for that
[00:08] <KombuchaKip> kim0: Great. Then I'm probably waiting for the right time.
[00:08] <kim0> yeah I'd hope so :)
[00:08] <nhandler> Yes. I can confirm the Americas RMB meeting will be in a little under 1 hour.
[00:08] <kim0> nhandler: thanks
[00:08] <KombuchaKip> nhandler: Thank you.
[00:08] <KombuchaKip> nhandler: I've set an alarm so that I won't forget.
[00:09] <kim0> yum --disablerepo='epel' install vlc
[00:09] <kim0> nvm
[00:32]  * KombuchaKip is very much enjoying the soundtrack to The Fountain by Kronos Quartet. Every time he sees their name on a soundtrack, he's confident it will be stellar.
[00:57]  * greg-g waves
[00:58]  * KombuchaKip waves
[00:59] <kim0> o/
[01:00] <nhandler> #startmeeting
[01:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 19:00. The chair is nhandler.
[01:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[01:00] <nhandler> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the Americas meeting for Thursday, October 21, 2010. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[01:00]  * KombuchaKip clicks his heals together.
[01:00] <nhandler> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[01:00] <nhandler> The format for the meeting is as follows:
[01:01] <nhandler> We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[01:01] <nhandler> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[01:01] <nhandler> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[01:02] <nhandler> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[01:02] <nhandler> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[01:03] <nhandler> It doesn't look like matthewwrohaly is around. So we'll start with kim0
[01:03] <nhandler> [TOPIC] kim0
[01:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  kim0
[01:03] <kim0> Hello everyone
[01:03] <nhandler> Hi kim0. Care to introduce yourself?
[01:04] <kim0> This is Ahmed Kamal. I'm a Canonical employee working on Ubuntu. I work as the Ubuntu cloud community liaison
[01:04] <kim0> I've been a Linux user since 1999
[01:04] <kim0> professionally I've worked a systems engineer
[01:04] <kim0> more on the server side, and more recently on the cloud side
[01:04] <kim0> Here's my page with more details
[01:04] <kim0> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AhmedKamal
[01:05] <dinda> and I was reading some of the documentation you did for UEC yesterday - awesome work
[01:05] <greg-g> kim0: how long have you been the cloud liaison?
[01:05]  * nigelb cheers for kim0 
[01:05] <kim0> greg-g: 4 months
[01:06] <nhandler> kim0: I must say, you have been doing some excellent work since taking on that job, but prior to that, I don't recall really seeing you around much. Were you active in the Ubuntu community before then?
[01:06] <kim0> dinda: Thank you!
[01:06] <greg-g> kim0: cool, I couldn't rememer when I saw that announcement that you were on board, welcome to the team!
[01:06] <kim0> nhandler: actually not, I was on the fedora community .. did some volunteer work there
[01:06] <kim0> hope that doesn't hurt :)
[01:06] <beuno> linux experience!  what more can we ask for?
[01:06] <kim0> greg-g: thanks
[01:07] <kim0> I've written a yum delta updates plugin for fedora
[01:07] <kim0> and admin'ed their servers for about a year
[01:08] <greg-g> kim0: nice, even though I never really was a fedora user, I respect and thank you for those contributions
[01:08] <dinda> kim0: what drew you to the Ubuntu community?
[01:08] <kim0> dinda: well, it's very welcoming indeed ... and there is a difference between the fedora and the ubuntu communities
[01:09] <kim0> the structure of the community, and how helpful everyone is
[01:09] <beuno> kim0, tell us about your involvement in the LoCo
[01:09] <kim0> Ok
[01:10] <kim0> I had been promoting Foss in general in Egypt (my country)
[01:10] <kim0> for about a few years now
[01:10] <kim0> as mentioned previously ..
[01:10] <kim0> I was not specifically focusing on Ubuntu .. however
[01:10] <kim0> I had given university presentations introducing and supporting
[01:11] <kim0> different foss systems like Fedora/Ubuntu/OpenSolaris
[01:11] <kim0> I started the local opensolaris user group since there was none
[01:11] <greg-g> nice, how's that going? ;)
[01:11] <kim0> gave away T shirts and CDs for fedora and Ubuntu
[01:11] <kim0> greg-g: well .. opensolaris is pretty much dead now globally :)
[01:11] <kim0> the local group was not too active
[01:12] <kim0> of course today, I'm more focused on ubuntu
[01:12] <kim0> I've been attending the loco meetings
[01:12] <nhandler> Very nice kim0
[01:12]  * KombuchaKip waves to rrnwexec
[01:12] <greg-g> kim0: hehe
[01:12] <kim0> I've taught professional linux courses as well
[01:13] <kim0> for a couple of years
[01:13] <kim0> I saw that .. as a way of giviing back
[01:13] <kim0> especially spreading foss culture
[01:13] <kim0> not just how to get things done
[01:13]  * kim0 stops babbling
[01:14] <dinda> kim0:  why did you decide to go for membership now?
[01:14] <beuno> kim0, so, what's in the future for Ubuntu?
[01:14] <kim0> taking questions FIFO :)
[01:14] <kim0> dinda: As a community liaison ..
[01:14] <beuno> smart man
[01:14] <kim0> I would very much like to "connect"
[01:15] <kim0> thus .. I would very much like to get on planet ubuntu asap
[01:15] <kim0> that is why I am applying for the membership as soon as I could
[01:15] <kim0> it's actually 2am for me now ;)
[01:15] <dinda> fair enough
[01:15] <kim0> beuno: As for the future
[01:16] <dinda> I know!  I can't believe you're up so late - I applaud your motivation
[01:16] <kim0> I have certain things in mind
[01:16] <kim0> I would like to launch the Ubuntu cloud portal
[01:16] <kim0> it is 99% complete now .. awaiting deployment
[01:16] <kim0> it aims to attract and engage new community members interested in contributing to cloud and server
[01:16] <kim0> I also plan to create and launch a "screencast" library
[01:17] <greg-g> awesome, I look forward to it
[01:17] <kim0> demo'ing how to get things done in the cloud context
[01:17] <greg-g> kim0: different from screencasts.ubuntu.com ?
[01:17] <kim0> as well as improve technical documentation around cloud deployments and different options
[01:17] <dinda> focused on cloud topics I imagine
[01:17] <kim0> greg-g: not really .. I meant to actually create them
[01:17] <kim0> yes
[01:18] <kim0> they will probably live there as well as maybe on youtube
[01:18] <dinda> kim0: I can give you some tips on creating those, as can Popey
[01:18] <greg-g> kim0: ah right, cool, I like the idea of more screencasts
[01:18] <kim0> dinda: thank you
[01:18] <kim0> I also plan to give IRC sessions
[01:18] <kim0> cloud tutorials
[01:18] <kim0> like I just did on uow
[01:18] <kim0> the longer term goal being .. to attract and grow the server/cloud community
[01:19] <kim0> wish me luck :)
[01:19] <nhandler> Good luck kim0 :)
[01:19]  * paultag cheers for kim0 
[01:19] <paultag> kim0, you rock! :)
[01:19] <kim0> thanks folks
[01:19] <nhandler> I think we are ready to vote
[01:19] <nhandler> [VOTE] kim0 for Ubuntu Membership
[01:19] <MootBot> Please vote on:  kim0 for Ubuntu Membership.
[01:19] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[01:19] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[01:19] <nhandler> +1
[01:19] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[01:19] <greg-g> +1
[01:19] <maco> +1
[01:19] <MootBot> +1 received from greg-g. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[01:19] <MootBot> +1 received from maco. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[01:20] <KombuchaKip> +1
[01:20] <MootBot> +1 received from KombuchaKip. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[01:20] <nhandler> KombuchaKip: The vote is only for members of the RMB
[01:20]  * KombuchaKip cowers his head in shame.
[01:20] <kim0> nah thanks
[01:20] <beuno> +0  (not because I'm not totally in favor, but because i don't want to bias membership towards canonical employees)
[01:20] <MootBot> Abstention received from beuno. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4
[01:20] <KombuchaKip> np
[01:21] <dinda> +1
[01:21] <MootBot> +1 received from dinda. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5
[01:21] <nhandler> #endvote
[01:21] <nhandler> [ENDVOTE]
[01:21] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 5
[01:21] <greg-g> awesome, welcome to the team, officially, kim0 !
[01:21] <paultag> congrats kim0! :)
[01:21] <nhandler> Congratulations kim0
[01:21] <nigelb> congrats kim0 :)
[01:21] <kim0> Yaay :)
[01:21] <Pendulum> congrats kim0!
[01:21] <kim0> Thanks folks .. Thanks a million
[01:21] <dinda> congrats kim0!
[01:21] <greg-g> kim0: now go sleep!
[01:21] <kim0> indeed :)
[01:21] <kim0> Thank you
[01:22] <nhandler> [TOPIC] KombuchaKip
[01:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  KombuchaKip
[01:22]  * KombuchaKip opens a bottle of kombucha and tosses it over for kim0
[01:22] <nhandler> KombuchaKip: Care to tell us a bit about yourself?
[01:22] <KombuchaKip> nhandler: Sure.
[01:22] <KombuchaKip> Hey channel. My name's Kip Warner. I'm a 27 year old Canadian software engineer. I am currently the fellow behind the Avaneya (www.avaneya.com) project, an attempt to create a free, commercial game for Ubuntu and other GNU variants. I got tired of always feeling like a second class citizen because I use GNU/Linux whenever I desired a product or service, so I thought constructively about what I could do about this, hence the pr
[01:23] <nhandler> KombuchaKip: Looks like you got cut off after "hence the p"
[01:23] <KombuchaKip> Woops
[01:23] <KombuchaKip> ..hence the project. I've been a GNU/Linux user since the late 90s, like kim0. I've been active in the free software community for a number of years in a variety of capacities from bug fixes, reports, creating new software, and bringing in new users to the community. I enjoy the Vancouver LoCo and I've presented the game concept a couple times at the meetings now were it was well received. My wiki page is here https://wiki.ubu
[01:23] <KombuchaKip> nhandler: Did that get trimmed as well?
[01:24] <nhandler> KombuchaKip: Cut off again "My wiki page is here https://wiki.ub"
[01:24] <KombuchaKip> My wiki page is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KipWarner I use to teach college programming and I had a strong emphasis and incorporated essays on free software into my curriculum. All of my students were on Ubuntu by choice before the course was over.
[01:24] <KombuchaKip> I thought about Ubuntu Membership a few days ago and asked Shuttleworth liked the project and said to go through this process.
[01:24] <KombuchaKip> nhandler: Sorry about that.
[01:24] <nhandler> KombuchaKip: How active are you with the Vancouver LoCo team?
[01:25] <greg-g> awesome about getting your students excited about FLOSS and choosing Ubuntu
[01:25] <KombuchaKip> Our head of our local Vancouver LoCo team is here, rrnwexec. He might be able to add something. I am not nearly as involved as he is, but I go to the meetings I can make and sometimes I contribute by putting on presentations.
[01:26] <KombuchaKip> A number of people from our LoCo have become involved in the project as well and I try to involve the local community as much as possible.
[01:26] <KombuchaKip> Here is a testimonial from Randall, head of our LoCo and also an Ubuntu Member: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KipWarner/testimonials
[01:27] <rrnwexec> i will confirm that Kip is active in our meetings as a presenter of game development in Ubuntu. he's also active on our Ideas forums where we share ideas about upcoming events and strategies to promote FLOSS in Vancouver.
[01:28] <KombuchaKip> I try to spread the propaganda and indoctrinate everyone by showing them the errors in their proprietary ways.
[01:30] <dinda> KombuchaKip: what was the context of you asking sabdfl if he liked your project?  were you seeking to promote it be getting his endorsement?
[01:30] <KombuchaKip> I'm also trying to get attention drawn to a MIPSel port for Ubuntu. Avaneya will have a mipsel port and I am working in partnership with Lemote to bring the game to their free hardware.
[01:31] <maco> ubuntu has been shedding little-used architectures recently. what makes you think adding MIPSel would be a good idea?
[01:31] <KombuchaKip> dinda: Not trying to get his endorsement. That would be appreciated, but it isn't necessary. I just was asking him about the process for membership, but realized just after I hit the send button that the information was on the wiki I had missed. I had sent him a link to the game site purely for his curiousity.
[01:32] <greg-g> KombuchaKip: has your LoCo team put on any event recently that you have helped plan/execute?
[01:32] <KombuchaKip> maco: I believe mips is the way of the future. It is far less patent encumbered than ARM, uses much less power than i386 / amd64, and most of the world is poor and can only afford cheaper hardware like MIPS. It also has the backing of the government of China financing its development.
[01:33] <maco> KombuchaKip: i havent seen any mention of MIPSel on the ubuntu-devel mailing list, so how have you been trying to draw attention to it?
[01:33] <KombuchaKip> greg-g: Yes. I can't remember the exact date, but maybe rrnwexec remembers. It was in the summer where I put on a presentation on Avaneya.
[01:34] <rrnwexec> August 2010, or September Main Event. Kip was a presenter
[01:34] <greg-g> ah, ok
[01:34] <KombuchaKip> maco: By creating the game that runs on MIPSel. I prefer to be active and produce things. I also have some sample Lemote hardware from a kind vendor who would like to see the game preloaded on it when they ship it. They are currently running a variant of Ubuntu (gNewSense).
[01:34] <rrnwexec> he gave the group an overview of tools and techniques for game development on Ubuntu, in the context of his project
[01:35] <maco> KombuchaKip:  thats enough to get it added to debian's repos, but simple existence of software for mips isnt going to magically add mips support to ubuntu. i think you need to learn how decisions are made in the ubuntu developer community
[01:36] <nhandler> KombuchaKip: Your Avaneya project definitely sounds interesting. However, we would like to encourage you to try and contribute more to Ubuntu itself and the Ubuntu community in a more direct way and maybe contribute more to the loco and help them organize some events. Once you start doing that, please come back and apply again.
[01:37] <KombuchaKip> maco: I understand its in the Debian repository. Debian is not Ubuntu and the two projects do not see eye to eye. We know that Ubuntu already mostly runs on mipsel, since gNewSense establishes that. It's important to see Ubuntu itself on MIPSel simply because Ubuntu has an ethos that is different to Debian. Moreover, there are tens of millions of users on Ubuntu worldwide and having it available on MIPS gives them additional f
[01:38] <maco> you got cut off. my point that the way to get a mipsel port is to *actually suggest it* still stands, though
[01:38] <KombuchaKip> maco: I have. You can see it on Launchpad. Hang on.
[01:38] <maco> next week is the Ubuntu Developer Summit. please participate remotely and take it as an opportunity to engage with us :)
[01:38] <greg-g> I like the project as well, I think a little more activity around the LoCo (planning and/or executing events) would help.
[01:39] <KombuchaKip> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/605694
[01:39] <KombuchaKip> Part of bringing people to Ubuntu is to give them good reasons to. By creating media and software that is available to such a group with greater precedence than other platforms is one way of doing it.
[01:39] <maco> there are thousands of bugs... and not a lot of people reading them. you /really/ need to use the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[01:40] <greg-g> KombuchaKip: unfortunately, not too many developers look at new/unconfirmed bugs against the generic "ubuntu" project (instead of a specific package)
[01:40] <KombuchaKip> maco: I am not an official Ubuntu developer. I am not opposed to that, it's just I am more focused on writing software FOR Ubuntu.
[01:40] <maco> greg-g: well theres a reason for that :P
[01:40] <greg-g> as maco said, the ubuntu-devel list is a pretty good way to get discussion around an idea like this going, much better than bugs
[01:40] <maco> KombuchaKip: i know you're not an ubuntu dev, else you'd already be a member
[01:40] <KombuchaKip> In any case, the MIPSel thing is small and not really relevant. It's just one of many things.
[01:40] <greg-g> maco: yep, the same reason i don't, time/quality
[01:40] <greg-g> maco: :)
[01:40] <maco> KombuchaKip: however the way to talk directly to the devs is the mailing list
[01:41] <KombuchaKip> maco: Agreed.
[01:41] <maco> greg-g: well, and we need to focus on bugs that are already triaged and let the triagers handle getting them to that state. time we spend triaging is time not spent coding
[01:42] <greg-g> KombuchaKip: again, I really want to encourage you to do a little more work in the LoCo or similar and come back for approval, you are on a great course for doing great things in the community, just a little more time might help
[01:42] <greg-g> maco: yeah, that too :)
[01:42] <KombuchaKip> I think Shuttleworth might have thought the Avaneya approach was useful, but I don't know. I'll copy his email here and you can all decide.
[01:43] <maco> and stretch your horizons a bit, maybe? you can do things with the loco that are general-ubuntu, not just focused on your projects too
[01:43] <KombuchaKip> maco: It's not a question of being disinterested or narrow minded, it's just this project is a full time job for me.
[01:43] <KombuchaKip> Hi Kip
[01:43] <KombuchaKip> Your project sounds great. The path to membership is outlined at
[01:43] <KombuchaKip> wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership, iirc. I'm sure you'll make it smoothly!
[01:43] <KombuchaKip> Mark
[01:44] <KombuchaKip> But perhaps he might agree with you that I need to do more work in the LoCo.
[01:45] <nhandler> Mathieu Rohaly (matthewrohaly) or Vikram Dhillon (dhillonv10), are either of you guys around?
[01:45] <greg-g> KombuchaKip: I hope you aren't taking this as a negative thing, we really do appreciate your involvement thus far, we just think (though i can't speak for everyone on the board) that a bit more direct invovlement aside from your game project might be good.
[01:46] <KombuchaKip> greg-g: Fair enough, although I have been contributing for years in other ways outside the LoCo from within industry and socially.
[01:46] <greg-g> KombuchaKip: I really do look forward to more from the game and your expertise, and would LOVE to see you come back to our next meeting
[01:46] <greg-g> KombuchaKip: like speaking with your students? or what else?
[01:47] <KombuchaKip> greg-g: Yes, absolutely. I got the whole class on it.
[01:47] <KombuchaKip> greg-g: Despite IT preventing the students from installing it on the machines by preventing CD boot, they just installed it on USB keys and booted off of that.
[01:47] <greg-g> :) nice
[01:47] <nhandler> Since neither Mathieu or Vikram appear to be around, I would like to thank everyone for coming tonight. The next meeting will be on Thursday, November 18, 2010 at 23:59 UTC
[01:48] <KombuchaKip> greg-g: All of our lectures, code, and so on were done under Ubuntu with regular reference to this or that phenomena in the community.
[01:48] <greg-g> KombuchaKip: yeah, that is a great contribution, and I really do think that if you continue you trajectory in the LoCo and you come back in a month or two, you'll have a great chance of approval
[01:49] <nhandler> #endmeeting
[01:49] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:49.
[01:49] <KombuchaKip> greg-g: Fair enough. I'll see what I can do.
[01:49] <greg-g> KombuchaKip: I'm sure you'll do great.
[01:49] <KombuchaKip> Peace out.
[01:52] <greg-g> KombuchaKip: take care
[01:52] <greg-g> thanks everyone for coming tonight!
[01:52] <KombuchaKip> greg-g: Likewise. Bye.
[01:53]  * greg-g waves