| RAOF | bjsnider: I don't have a grub 2 timeout at all, and this is a default install. It's occasionally annoying. | 00:12 |
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| Sarvatt | yeah its only shown by default if you have more than one OS | 00:29 |
| RAOF | And if it's not shown, then there's no timeout. | 00:30 |
| bjsnider | that's not what happened when i clean installed lucid | 01:37 |
| bjsnider | RAOF, the setting is in /etc/default/grub, if you want to change it | 01:39 |
| RAOF | bjsnider: Oh, I know. It's not *that* annoying. | 01:39 |
| bjsnider | just had a long chat with the gnome developers. there's a lot of acrimony between them and canonical. gnome-shell and unity appear almost the same in terms of look and feel, and even the underlying code. and i am not sure why two groups are working on desktop shells that are so imilar | 01:42 |
| RAOF | Although I haven't brosed it recently, I don't think the underlying code is particularly similar, outside of the architecture of “desktop-shell in mutter plugin”. | 01:46 |
| bjsnider | RAOF, you know what unity currently looks like, right? | 01:47 |
| RAOF | Yes, I do indeed. | 01:47 |
| bjsnider | i was just looking at the screenshots in ryan paul's article on ars today, that's how i know | 01:47 |
| bjsnider | here's the latest gnome-shell mockup: | 01:48 |
| bjsnider | http://blogs.gnome.org/fmuellner/files/2010/10/Pantallazo.png | 01:48 |
| RAOF | I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be seeing there. | 01:49 |
| bjsnider | that's gnome-shell with a few open windows in a desktop in overview | 01:50 |
| bjsnider | libv, i see there's been a lot of openchrome development recently | 01:50 |
| bjsnider | "There hasn't even been any activity on the openchrome-devel mailing list since April of this year, which according to VIA is their "best friend" and where they plan to host much of this development work." | 01:51 |
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| lordofthenoobs | anybody out there? | 11:34 |
| tjaalton | the truth is | 11:34 |
| lordofthenoobs | the truth cant hold a good conversation though on account it has no fingers to type | 11:36 |
| tjaalton | huh, no sense of humour.. | 11:44 |
| tseliot | tjaalton: I guess some people forgot about the X-Files ;) | 12:25 |
| tjaalton | tseliot: or were born not-too-long-ago ;) | 12:26 |
| tseliot | tjaalton: ouch, that makes me feel old now... :P | 12:27 |
| tjaalton | yeah, join the crowd.. | 12:27 |
| tseliot | :D | 12:28 |
| nigelb | X-files? what? where? | 12:32 |
| tseliot | nice try ;) | 12:40 |
| tjaalton | yeah, you have to do better than that :) | 12:46 |
| libv | bjsnider: http://openchrome.org/trac/timeline | 13:39 |
| libv | bjsnider: and the litle work that has been done in the last year was not exactly earthshattering | 13:39 |
| libv | bjsnider: not that i should speak, all i do, now that i do pvr stuff, is pluck unichrome based hw off of ebay. seems i am pretty much the only person still interested in buying any via crap :) | 13:40 |
| bjsnider | libv, i think "via" and "crap" are synonymous | 13:50 |
| ScottK | There's a recommendation in a Debian bug to use "ServerArgsLocal=vt7 -br -nolisten tcp" with KDM instead of "ServerArgsLocal=vt7 -nr -nolisten tcp". Man X doesn't cover -nr or -br. Where whould I find these options documented? | 13:52 |
| * ScottK would like to understand it and see if it might be related to a bug with similar symptoms I'm seeing in Kubuntu. | 13:52 | |
| jcristau | ScottK: Xserver(1) iirc | 13:57 |
| ScottK | jcristau: Thanks. | 13:57 |
| jcristau | -nr doesn't exist upstream or in debian | 13:59 |
| jcristau | and it seems the ubuntu (well, fedora) patch adding it doesn't have a manpage bit | 14:02 |
| ScottK | Lovely. | 14:03 |
| * ScottK wonders what it does. | 14:03 | |
| jcristau | + ErrorF("-nr create root window with no background\n"); | 14:04 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 14:05 |
| Sarvatt | ScottK: thats for the seamless plymouth-X transition, a bit more description of it here: http://www.mail-archive.com/xorg-devel@lists.x.org/msg09360.html | 14:27 |
| ScottK | Sarvatt: Thanks. | 14:27 |
| Sarvatt | slackware 14 without that is hitting the same problem without any of the copyfb stuff - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/call-for-testing-xorg-updates-20100830-a-829336/page8.html#post4115059 | 14:33 |
| Sarvatt | ScottK: any reason why you dont just make TerminateServer=true the default so it doesn't rely on server regen for logout while its getting tracked down? this seems to be a recurring problem | 14:42 |
| jcristau | +1 | 14:42 |
| jcristau | i've suggested that to the debian kde people multiple times.. | 14:43 |
| Sarvatt | http://pastebin.com/Hj6SzjP4 | 14:44 |
| ScottK | Sarvatt: I guess it depends on how long it's going to take. | 14:57 |
| jcristau | regen is always going to be fragile | 14:59 |
| jcristau | pretty much nobody tests it, it only affects kdm | 14:59 |
| ScottK | Sarvatt and jcristau: The bug I was looking at was Bug 641712. I was looking at Debian Bug #586540 and was wondering if there might be some relationship. | 15:00 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 641712 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Not possible to enter password for a new user in KDM (Maverick) (affects: 2) (heat: 112)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641712 | 15:00 |
| ubot4` | Debian bug 586540 in kdm "kdm on initial start at kfreebsd bootup does not allow keyboard input" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/586540 | 15:00 |
| jcristau | oh, the race with getty | 15:01 |
| * ScottK would love suggestions. | 15:03 | |
| jcristau | seems weird that it doesn't happen for the first user | 15:06 |
| ScottK | First user provides the password to the installer, so it doesn't come up. | 15:11 |
| Sarvatt | jcristau: intel does server regens now too so it's not just isolated to KDM as much anymore :( | 16:10 |
| Sarvatt | after a gpu hang | 16:10 |
| jcristau | oh. | 16:11 |
| bjsnider | Sarvatt, any idea what's going on here: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2335524&postcount=14 | 17:26 |
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| vish | Sarvatt¦ re: Bug #652934 , i'v confirmed that the problem is only since 2.6.32-19-generic #28-Ubuntu , how do i proceed? it seems that upstream has /just recently/ merged the patch into mainline too :( | 18:50 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 652934 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) "[RV515] Guest session causes screen to flicker violently and session is unusable (affects: 2) (heat: 188)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/652934 | 18:50 |
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| Sarvatt | bjsnider: they are trying to run jockey-kde as root from a terminal (they need to use sudo jockey-text as their user instead if they want to do it that way), it'll show up fine in the gui once they have nvidia-common installed and reboot like they said they would | 21:01 |
| Sarvatt | vish: reassigned it to linux, are you saying mainline daily kernels are giving the same behavior now too or you think it will because they merged it? | 21:03 |
| Sarvatt | if its the former we need to upstream it | 21:03 |
| vish | Sarvatt¦ my comment about it being 'merged in mainline too', was from reading Alex's comment http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26302 | 21:05 |
| ubot4` | Freedesktop bug 26302 in Driver/Radeon "[M7 LW] desktop runs out of video memory on ATI Radeon Mobility 7500" [Major,Resolved: fixed] | 21:05 |
| vish | Sarvatt¦ i'v now downloaded mainline .36 and am testing with that.. | 21:05 |
| vish | hehe, kernel bug! so need to actively try to test a lot more.. ;) | 21:07 |
| * vish shakes fist at everyone else filing kernel bugs and overloading lp.. MY BUG IS MORE IMPORTANT! [jus cause i filed it] ;p <pouts> | 21:10 | |
| Sarvatt | http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-maverick.git;a=commit;h=160ae3be8d42701afc19cf71d6e0d2c0a6160e82 | 21:11 |
| vish | hmm.. | 21:11 |
| vish | yea that one.. | 21:12 |
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| Sarvatt | yay CHROMIUM_FLAGS="--disable-accelerated-compositing" in /etc/chromium-browser/default makes scrolling usable again with html5 video | 21:47 |
| bjsnider | accelerated compositing should be a good thing | 21:51 |
| Sarvatt | apparently only on windows | 21:52 |
| Sarvatt | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=59302 -- funny because I can reproduce it both with intel and the blob :) | 21:58 |
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