[00:12] <RAOF> bjsnider: I don't have a grub 2 timeout at all, and this is a default install.  It's occasionally annoying.
[00:29] <Sarvatt> yeah its only shown by default if you have more than one OS
[00:30] <RAOF> And if it's not shown, then there's no timeout.
[01:37] <bjsnider> that's not what happened when i clean installed lucid
[01:39] <bjsnider> RAOF, the setting is in /etc/default/grub, if you want to change it
[01:39] <RAOF> bjsnider: Oh, I know.  It's not *that* annoying.
[01:42] <bjsnider> just had a long chat with the gnome developers. there's a lot of acrimony between them and canonical. gnome-shell and unity appear almost the same in terms of look and feel, and even the underlying code. and i am not sure why two groups are working on desktop shells that are so imilar
[01:46] <RAOF> Although I haven't brosed it recently, I don't think the underlying code is particularly similar, outside of the architecture of “desktop-shell in mutter plugin”.
[01:47] <bjsnider> RAOF, you know what unity currently looks like, right?
[01:47] <RAOF> Yes, I do indeed.
[01:47] <bjsnider> i was just looking at the screenshots in ryan paul's article on ars today, that's how i know
[01:48] <bjsnider> here's the latest gnome-shell mockup:
[01:48] <bjsnider> http://blogs.gnome.org/fmuellner/files/2010/10/Pantallazo.png
[01:49] <RAOF> I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be seeing there.
[01:50] <bjsnider> that's gnome-shell with a few open windows in a desktop in overview
[01:50] <bjsnider> libv, i see there's been a lot of openchrome development recently
[01:51] <bjsnider> "There hasn't even been any activity on the openchrome-devel mailing list since April of this year, which according to VIA is their "best friend" and where they plan to host much of this development work."
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[11:34] <lordofthenoobs> anybody out there?
[11:34] <tjaalton> the truth is
[11:36] <lordofthenoobs> the truth cant hold a good conversation though on account it has no fingers to type
[11:44] <tjaalton> huh, no sense of humour..
[12:25] <tseliot> tjaalton: I guess some people forgot about the X-Files ;)
[12:26] <tjaalton> tseliot: or were born not-too-long-ago ;)
[12:27] <tseliot> tjaalton: ouch, that makes me feel old now... :P
[12:27] <tjaalton> yeah, join the crowd..
[12:28] <tseliot> :D
[12:32] <nigelb> X-files? what? where?
[12:40] <tseliot> nice try ;)
[12:46] <tjaalton> yeah, you have to do better than that :)
[13:39] <libv> bjsnider: http://openchrome.org/trac/timeline
[13:39] <libv> bjsnider: and the litle work that has been done in the last year was not exactly earthshattering
[13:40] <libv> bjsnider: not that i should speak, all i do, now that i do pvr stuff, is pluck unichrome based hw off of ebay. seems i am pretty much the only person still interested in buying any via crap :)
[13:50] <bjsnider> libv, i think "via" and "crap" are synonymous
[13:52] <ScottK> There's a recommendation in a Debian bug to use "ServerArgsLocal=vt7 -br -nolisten tcp" with KDM instead of "ServerArgsLocal=vt7 -nr -nolisten tcp".  Man X doesn't cover -nr or -br.  Where whould I find these options documented?
[13:52]  * ScottK would like to understand it and see if it might be related to a bug with similar symptoms I'm seeing in Kubuntu.
[13:57] <jcristau> ScottK: Xserver(1) iirc
[13:57] <ScottK> jcristau: Thanks.
[13:59] <jcristau> -nr doesn't exist upstream or in debian
[14:02] <jcristau> and it seems the ubuntu (well, fedora) patch adding it doesn't have a manpage bit
[14:03] <ScottK> Lovely.
[14:03]  * ScottK wonders what it does.
[14:04] <jcristau> +    ErrorF("-nr                    create root window with no background\n");
[14:05] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:27] <Sarvatt> ScottK: thats for the seamless plymouth-X transition, a bit more description of it here: http://www.mail-archive.com/xorg-devel@lists.x.org/msg09360.html
[14:27] <ScottK> Sarvatt: Thanks.
[14:33] <Sarvatt> slackware 14 without that is hitting the same problem without any of the copyfb stuff - http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/call-for-testing-xorg-updates-20100830-a-829336/page8.html#post4115059
[14:42] <Sarvatt> ScottK: any reason why you dont just make TerminateServer=true the default so it doesn't rely on server regen for logout while its getting tracked down? this seems to be a recurring problem
[14:42] <jcristau> +1
[14:43] <jcristau> i've suggested that to the debian kde people multiple times..
[14:44] <Sarvatt> http://pastebin.com/Hj6SzjP4
[14:57] <ScottK> Sarvatt: I guess it depends on how long it's going to take.
[14:59] <jcristau> regen is always going to be fragile
[14:59] <jcristau> pretty much nobody tests it, it only affects kdm
[15:00] <ScottK> Sarvatt and jcristau: The bug I was looking at was Bug 641712.  I was looking at Debian Bug #586540 and was wondering if there might be some relationship.
[15:00] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 641712 in kdebase-workspace (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Not possible to enter password for a new user in KDM (Maverick) (affects: 2) (heat: 112)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/641712
[15:00] <ubot4`> Debian bug 586540 in kdm "kdm on initial start at kfreebsd bootup does not allow keyboard input" [Serious,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/586540
[15:01] <jcristau> oh, the race with getty
[15:03]  * ScottK would love suggestions.
[15:06] <jcristau> seems weird that it doesn't happen for the first user
[15:11] <ScottK> First user provides the password to the installer, so it doesn't come up.
[16:10] <Sarvatt> jcristau: intel does server regens now too so it's not just isolated to KDM as much anymore :(
[16:10] <Sarvatt> after a gpu hang
[16:11] <jcristau> oh.
[17:26] <bjsnider> Sarvatt, any idea what's going on here: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2335524&postcount=14
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[18:50] <vish> Sarvatt¦ re: Bug #652934 , i'v confirmed that the problem is only since 2.6.32-19-generic #28-Ubuntu , how do i proceed? it seems that upstream has /just recently/ merged the patch into mainline too :(
[18:50] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 652934 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Ubuntu) "[RV515] Guest session causes screen to flicker violently and session is unusable (affects: 2) (heat: 188)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/652934
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[21:01] <Sarvatt> bjsnider: they are trying to run jockey-kde as root from a terminal (they need to use sudo jockey-text as their user instead if they want to do it that way), it'll show up fine in the gui once they have nvidia-common installed and reboot like they said they would
[21:03] <Sarvatt> vish: reassigned it to linux, are you saying mainline daily kernels are giving the same behavior now too or you think it will because they merged it?
[21:03] <Sarvatt> if its the former we need to upstream it
[21:05] <vish> Sarvatt¦ my comment about it being 'merged in mainline too', was from reading Alex's comment http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26302
[21:05] <ubot4`> Freedesktop bug 26302 in Driver/Radeon "[M7 LW] desktop runs out of video memory on ATI Radeon Mobility 7500" [Major,Resolved: fixed]
[21:05] <vish> Sarvatt¦ i'v now downloaded mainline .36 and am testing with that..
[21:07] <vish> hehe, kernel bug! so need to actively try to test a lot more.. ;)
[21:10]  * vish shakes fist at everyone else filing kernel bugs and overloading lp.. MY BUG IS MORE IMPORTANT! [jus cause i filed it] ;p  <pouts>
[21:11] <Sarvatt> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-maverick.git;a=commit;h=160ae3be8d42701afc19cf71d6e0d2c0a6160e82
[21:11] <vish> hmm..
[21:12] <vish> yea that one..
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[21:47] <Sarvatt> yay CHROMIUM_FLAGS="--disable-accelerated-compositing" in /etc/chromium-browser/default makes scrolling usable again with html5 video
[21:51] <bjsnider> accelerated compositing should be a good thing
[21:52] <Sarvatt> apparently only on windows
[21:58] <Sarvatt> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=59302 -- funny because I can reproduce it both with intel and the blob :)
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