[00:08] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: does pyqt need to wait on sip before it will build python3 support?
[00:09] <Lex79> yes/no, if you upload now you have to retry, I added the correct build-deps version in control ;)
[00:09] <JontheEchidna> heh, 4.8 is out http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/PyQt?content=28477
[00:09] <Lex79> oh my :(
[00:10] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: can you do the 4.8 ? just keep my rules please :)
[00:11] <Lex79> and the python 3 build-deps
[00:12] <Lex79> qscintilla needs upload too, see the backlog
[00:18] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101022231810-9rq9pfzsf6vc0vx8 * debian/ (changelog control) kde4libs (4:4.5.2a-0ubuntu2) natty; urgency=low * Fix libkcmutils4, libkemoticons4, libkidletime4, libkprintutils4 upgrade * kdelibs5-data replaces libkdecore5
[00:21] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Feel free to ping me when sip4-qt3 hits new.
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: ok
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: qscintilla uploaded, btw
[00:22] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: thanks
[00:24] <Lex79> ScottK: sip will not be in new, no need to make a new binary package
[00:25] <ScottK> Lex79: We do want the python3 stuff separate.
[00:25] <Lex79> who said that? you didn't said that before
[00:25] <Lex79> *say
[00:26] <ScottK> Sorry.  I thought everyone knew.
[00:26] <ScottK> http://wiki.debian.org/Python/SqueezePy3k has information on how to do it.
[00:26] <Lex79> :(
[00:27] <ScottK> Also Quintasan had his attempt at it reviewed in #debian-python and got feedback on it.
[00:27] <ScottK> That's why I mentioned he'd been working on it.
[00:27] <ScottK> (sorry - really busy day here).
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> I'll be up for another 5 hours, if uploads are necessary
[00:28] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: If Quintasan did, I leave the package to him
[00:28] <Lex79> :P
[00:30]  * ScottK pokes at Quintasan to get to work.
[00:30] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: I see what you mean: http://imgur.com/F5b4o
[00:31] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: yeah
[00:32] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: there is a patch in qt4-x11 which we have to remove/disable
[00:32] <Lex79> it was reintroduced in the last upload
[00:32] <JontheEchidna> the fake_embolden one?
[00:33] <Lex79> uhm I don't remeber, I removed it in the middle of maverick cycle
[00:34] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: yes, kubuntu_08
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that one needs to go
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> iirc there was a bug report about it, then we removed it for maverick
[00:34] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: yes it causes also an issue in konsole
[00:37] <JontheEchidna> this just might be annoying enough to make me fix it
[00:37] <Lex79> thanks :)
[01:07] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-qt4/4.7.7-0ubuntu1
[01:07] <Lex79> retry please
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: retried
[01:26] <Lex79> uhm I think sip is not yet published
[03:06] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023020614-zx5zl1m6rga498ya * debian/ (changelog control) kde4libs (4:4.5.2a-0ubuntu3) natty; urgency=low * libkutils4 depends on libkcmutils4, libkprintutils4, libkidletime4 and libkemoticons4
[03:27] <ScottK> Lex79: If it published on the last publisher run it will be available at ~45 after the hour from archive.ubuntu.com (and to the builders)
[03:28] <Lex79> thank ScottK
[03:28] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[03:33] <Lex79> ScottK: did you move kde4libs from New?
[03:33] <ScottK> Lex79: I did not.
[03:33] <ScottK> Should I?
[03:33] <Lex79> uhm strange
[03:33] <Lex79> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.5.2a-0ubuntu2
[03:34] <Lex79> it seems not in new
[03:34] <ScottK> Then I guess someone else did.
[03:38] <Lex79> uhm again :) maybe the new binaries are not yet published
[03:38] <Lex79> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.5.2a-0ubuntu2/+build/2014857
[03:40] <ScottK> Should be there in 5 minutes it looks like.
[04:17] <Lex79> ScottK: oh, there are some kdelibs binary packages in universe, libkcmutils4, libkemoticons4, libkidletime4, libkprintutils4
[04:18] <Lex79> need shell powers?
[04:19] <ScottK> Lex79: Yes.
[04:19] <ScottK> Sorry.  Can't help with that one.
[04:20] <Lex79> ScottK: you have to grab this new power ! we need it
[04:21] <ScottK> Lex79: One needs to be employed by or under long term contract with Canonical to get shell access into their data center.
[04:21] <Lex79> ah :(
[04:22] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023032254-qt51isl80imspvii * debian/ (changelog control) Revert my previous commit
[05:03] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023040300-js5wt1wk78eddff2 * debian/ (changelog control kdebase-workspace-wallpapers.install) Fix freespacenotifier, kdebase-workspace-bin, libprocesscore4b, libsolidcontrolifaces4a and libtaskmanager4b upgrades
[05:05] <nixternal> everyone heading to uds this weekend, have a safe and wonderful trip. i will probably check in on monday if i can to see how things are going
[05:06] <crimsun> I'd drink a beer for you, but I don't drink beer.
[05:06] <maco> nor do i
[05:07] <nixternal> nor do i
[05:07] <maco> just teqila @ 11am?
[05:07] <nixternal> oh wait, sorry, i was confused obviously :p
[05:07] <crimsun> -;p
[05:07] <maco> crimsun: alfalfa?
[05:08] <crimsun> maco: I had a nice bowl of pho this evening at Pho 75 near Rosslyn; try it sometime
[05:08] <nixternal> i think that was the last time i had tekillya, or at least the last time i remember
[05:08] <nixternal> jeesh, 11pm and i am ready for bed. this gettin' old shit has to stop
[05:08] <nixternal> g'nite!
[05:08] <maco> crimsun: kk. know of any nearer to clarendon or ballston? rosslyn's not a nice walk
[05:09] <crimsun> I'll ask around
[05:09] <maco> k
[05:09] <crimsun> this schedule is heinous
[05:10] <maco> o?
[05:10] <crimsun> yeah, mostly 13~14-hr days this week
[05:42] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023044247-tooq5fppiszg6ixy * debian/ (changelog control) Released
[06:01] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023050108-u33d0g6oxty836sp * debian/ (changelog control) konqueror replaces libkonqsidebarplugin4a (<< 4:4.5.1-0ubuntu2)
[06:04] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023050450-r10xpqtxg332pzoh * debian/control Remove XS-Debian-Vcs-Browser and git
[06:10] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023051043-1dqyyl57xbxyuaqr * debian/changelog Fix changelog
[06:16] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023051623-vk4bmovtpewtu5mf * debian/changelog Releasing version 4.5.2
[06:24] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023052450-tpijtgp3lwpd3amz * debian/ (changelog control) Releasing version 4.5.2
[06:41] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023054152-oen4bwvamg9z5344 * debian/changelog Realising version 4.5.2
[06:46] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023054602-qq3l4fmuqtv49tif * debian/changelog Releasing version 4.5.2
[06:47] <shadeslayer> maco: pingly
[06:48] <maco> shadeslayer: pong
[06:48] <shadeslayer> maco: any news on the namkeen?
[06:48] <maco> im just gonna say "something not too spicy"
[06:48] <shadeslayer> alrighty :)
[07:47] <shadeslayer> hahaha .... Something Developer-related < one of the plenaries
[08:23] <shadeslayer> who was packaging that oxygen gtk thing?
[08:23] <shadeslayer> just a small note, debian is too
[11:45]  * apachelogger is getting like super nervous
[11:45] <apachelogger> also I have a meeting in 15 minutes :O
[11:45] <apachelogger> omg
[11:46]  * apachelogger jumps out of the pyjamas into more appropriate clothing and scuttles off to university
[13:07] <Sput> it's... saturday...
[13:25] <shadeslayer> ok i guess ill be meeting you guys at UDS now :D
[13:25]  * shadeslayer is leaving for the airport in 50 mins
[15:36] <apachelogger> Sput: is there something special about today being saturday?
[15:53] <Sput> apachelogger: yes. having meetings.
[15:53] <apachelogger> Sput: well
[15:54] <apachelogger> if one wants to go on vacation for a week one first must work harder :P
[16:05] <Sput> ah, I call that "homeoffice" :>
[16:12] <apachelogger> well
[16:12] <apachelogger> you are sput :P
[16:12]  * apachelogger drew 17 class diagrams and needs a new hand now
[16:36] <nigelb> apachelogger: aren't you supposed to get on a plane soon?
[16:43] <apachelogger> nigelb: in like 12 hours
[16:43]  * apachelogger is only arriving sunsday evening
[16:43] <apachelogger> -s
[16:44] <nigelb> apachelogger: ah, ok
[17:15] <crimsun> shadeslayer: I'll be at UDS-N for the first two days.
[17:21] <on3_g> hi all
[18:13] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101023171301-dgyecckgeab7w3mu * debian/patches/ (3 files) (log message trimmed)
[18:13] <CIA-46> Remove kubuntu_08_add_missing_bold_style.diff and
[18:13] <CIA-46> kubuntu_08_add_missing_bold_style.diff, as they were causing regressions with
[18:15] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101023171510-mjxn61qwc4w070b1 * debian/changelog Changelog++
[19:09] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: can you fix the Qt changelog at least in bzr? no need another upload I think, just in bzr to remember what you did
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> hmm?
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> oh
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> ha
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> I blame klipper :P
[19:10] <Lex79> :D
[19:11] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101023181113-8ec8uiz3p01we1lw * debian/changelog Fix changelog
[19:28] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023182806-73el4ho5bz84sgkm * debian/ (changelog control) kdebindings-dbg and libqyoto4.5-cil not depend on libsmokeqt4-3
[19:29] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023182948-arfo2ox7x2rnkd2e * debian/changelog kdepim-runtime (4:4.4.7-0ubuntu1) natty; urgency=low * New upstream release
[19:35] <Lex79> I hope someone arrive with shell power
[19:39] <ScottK> Probably most of them are in transit.
[19:39] <jjesse> check #ubuntu-uds
[19:39] <jjesse> or whatever the channel is :)
[19:40] <Lex79> yes, the problems are two: 1)it's saturday 2) UDS
[19:40] <Lex79> :D
[19:45] <apachelogger> if we had point to point teleportation...
[21:11] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023201104-82vltt8fpmdkbeaf * debian/ (changelog control) kdepim (4:4.4.7-0ubuntu1) natty; urgency=low * New upstream release - Build against kdepim-runtime 4.4.7
[22:08] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023210109-9il00wttfc8dj5ju * debian/ (changelog control) * kdesdk-dolphin-plugins replaces dolphin-plugins * Build against libkonq5-dev (>= 4:4.5.2-0ubuntu1) for libkonq5 -> libkonq5a transition
[22:08] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023210444-8okn72434je00tsy * debian/ (changelog control) * Build against libkon5-dev (>= 4:4.5.2-0ubuntu1) for libkon5 -> libkon5a transition
[22:16] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023211626-kxm2x0eivtc63twy * debian/ (changelog control) amarok (2:2.3.2-0ubuntu5) natty; urgency=low * Rebuild against kdelibs5-dev 4.5.2a-0ubuntu2 for libkutils4 transition
[22:19] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023211915-s84rtcowjxgho5sy * debian/ (source source/format changelog control rules) choqok (0.9.85-0ubuntu3) natty; urgency=low * Rebuild against kdelibs5-dev 4.5.2a-0ubuntu2 for libkutils4 transition
[22:19] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023211954-ez4r78edd3ze2986 * debian/ (7 files in 2 dirs) bzr add
[22:24] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023212447-y8i6egpc1y8ocbb5 * debian/ (5 files in 2 dirs) k3b (2.0.1-1ubuntu4) natty; urgency=low * Rebuild against kdelibs5-dev 4.5.2a-0ubuntu2 for libkutils4 transition
[22:26] <DarkwingDuck> What's the wiki page for Kubuntu logos?
[22:26] <DarkwingDuck> I can't find it via search for some odd reason...
[22:33] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023213318-mxkxc2cz0kyo2qd9 * debian/ (changelog control) plasma-widget-networkmanagement (0.9~svn1176084-0ubuntu2) natty; urgency=low * Rebuild against kdelibs5-dev 4.5.2a-0ubuntu2 for libkutils4 transition
[22:37] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023213740-s6qi0a051jf5az5k * debian/ (changelog control) konversation (1.3.1-1ubuntu4) natty; urgency=low * Rebuild against kdelibs5-dev 4.5.2a-0ubuntu2 for libkutils4 transition
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> man, this looks pretty hardcore: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/58038418/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-armel.phonon_4:4.7.0really4.4.2-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> it's currently breaking the entire KDE stack
[22:38] <JontheEchidna> (on armel)
[22:38] <ScottK> Yep.
[22:39]  * ScottK asked NCommander to look at it, but he didn't reply to my ping on IRC.
[22:44] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I gotta finish packing for my easly bleep flight tomorrow
[22:44] <DarkwingDuck> *Early
[22:47] <Lex79> ScottK: I'm doing libktorrent, should I use libboost-dev or libbost1.42-dev ? there's libboost-dev in the last upload
[22:48] <ScottK> Lex79: Either would work right now, but use the versioned one so we make sure to keep all of KDE on the same version.
[22:48] <Lex79> ok thanks
[22:53] <NCommander> ScottK: I'm on VAC
[23:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you saying my product is flawed? :P
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: nope, looks like the ASM for some atomic Qt operation is flawed
[23:02] <apachelogger> stupid asm
[23:08] <apachelogger> hm
[23:08] <apachelogger> apparently I should be taking a bus in 6 hours
[23:08] <apachelogger> oh dear oh dear
[23:13] <JontheEchidna> lunchpad is munching my time by being slow...
[23:14] <apachelogger> omnomnom
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> hrm
[23:15] <Lex79> lol
[23:15] <JontheEchidna> synaptic writes /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99synaptic to store the APT::Install-Recommends setting :/
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> does that mean that any app that wants to change the system recommends policy has to rely on 99synaptic being there?
[23:16] <apachelogger> yes
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> :/
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> or do we have to make an even higher numbered file and enter a neverending war of breaking the other application?
[23:17] <apachelogger> that is unless apt already switches it internally
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> this setting used to be in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01ubuntu, but then it was somehow made default internally in APT and removed
[23:17] <JontheEchidna> (01ubuntu was installed by apt)
[23:18] <apachelogger> well
[23:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: isnt there some aptconf that stores the global setting for the system?
[23:19] <apachelogger> (or can store)
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> isn't that /etc/apt.conf or the files in /etc/apt.conf.d/ ?
[23:19] <apachelogger> oh, true
[23:19] <apachelogger> well
[23:19] <apachelogger> you go by apt.conf :P
[23:19]  * apachelogger does not think the fugly synaptic should install that sorta crap
[23:19] <apachelogger> BUG
[23:20] <apachelogger> if I want apps to mess with my supreme settings then I will use windows kthx
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> lol
[23:20] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it was done with the wonderful Ubuntu patch review process :P
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> where if patch fixes symptom -> gets applied
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> I don't suspect that anybody who knows better actually reviewed it
[23:21] <apachelogger> cool
[23:21] <apachelogger> well
[23:21] <apachelogger> you know
[23:21] <apachelogger> I shall whine to our leader personally in the most whiny fashion :P
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> :P
[23:22] <JontheEchidna> or at least mvo, if you see him ;)
[23:22]  * apachelogger is reasonable certain he will not be invited to uds anymoar after next week ;)
[23:22] <CIA-46> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101023222236-ow0k1zorchmw0v1a * debian/ (6 files in 2 dirs) digikam (2:1.5.0-0ubuntu1) natty; urgency=low * New upstream release - Bump build-dependencies - Build against libkipi-dev 1.5.0
[23:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: mvo gets whining for starting pyth0rn apps and then leave them to rot :P
[23:23] <apachelogger> language-selector \o/ \o/ \o/
[23:24]  * apachelogger packs his beauty case
[23:24] <JontheEchidna> just tested; writing to /etc/apt/apt.conf will work
[23:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: does it take supremacy over them files?
[23:25] <JontheEchidna> yus
[23:25] <apachelogger> cool
[23:26] <apachelogger> then I suppose the bug that was supposed to be fixed by 99synaptic is still there but with limited audience ;)
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> the bug was that synaptic's setting for installing recommends didn't keep between sessions :s
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> or something
[23:27] <apachelogger> synaptic - you report it, we make the workaround
[23:27] <apachelogger> :P
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> :P
[23:29]  * JontheEchidna is off to properly add recommends-as-dependencies settings in muon
[23:30] <apachelogger> muon - moar badass than synaptic
[23:32] <JontheEchidna> lol, try mousing over an icon in systemsettings and placing your mouse over where part of the tooltip will show up
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> has to be an icon in the bottom row, where it has to place the tooltip above the icon since it would hit the bottom of the screen otherwise
[23:36] <apachelogger> not seeing no nothing
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[23:41] <JontheEchidna> well I get a tooltip appearing, then disappearing because my mouse is over it
[23:42] <apachelogger> well
[23:42] <apachelogger> for me the tooltips are placed below the icon, so at the point I would enter the tooltip I am not highlighting the icon anymore
[23:43] <JontheEchidna> I moved my SS window to the bottom of the screen, and placed my mouse over an icon on the bottom row
[23:44] <apachelogger> aahhh
[23:44] <apachelogger> hm
[23:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: just flashes here
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I get grey flashes since compositing is off
[23:44] <apachelogger> also due mouse focus loss, since the tooltip steals it
[23:45] <apachelogger> isnt there some way to make widgets not accept focus or something?
[23:46] <apachelogger> i.e. even if the tooltip would place itself ontop of the icon the icon would still have focus
[23:48] <apachelogger> apparently not
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> wow, I don't think that APT has any API to write a configuration file
[23:49] <apachelogger> hm, maybe as a solution the tooltip should just be drawn above the icon 
[23:50] <apachelogger> wah, now I need in like 5 hours and didnt have sleep nor am finished packing
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> maybe they thought that setting it during runtime via cmdline args would be OK since it was developed for apt-get
[23:50] <apachelogger> clearly someone will be sleeping high above the clouds ^^
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> ^^
[23:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: indeed it sounds like something they could have considered OK ^^
[23:51] <JontheEchidna> this means that I'll have to write my own config parser :(
[23:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is it not standard ini format?
[23:52] <crimsun> wow, the maverick live (desktop) installer looks *nice*
[23:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: here's an example: APT::Install-Recommends "true";
[23:52] <apachelogger> oh
[23:52] <apachelogger> true
[23:52] <apachelogger> it looks like a unicorn fart right there
[23:54]  * apachelogger is happy to say that he is very unorganized and might end up taking a train in the wrong direction, missing his flight :D
[23:54] <JontheEchidna> LibQApt will be the first APT wrapper that will actually let you write config without writing your own parser, mark my words!
[23:54] <apachelogger> :D
[23:55] <apachelogger> any bets on whether our dictator will announce that unity is being rewritten using Qt?