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head_victimlontra: just checking the control centre00:00
gilirphillw: good news :)00:03
head_victimgilir: to keep it consistent I'm really just ripping off phillw's howto for minimal and changing what needs it :)00:04
gilirhead_victim: sounds good :)00:11
* gilir is a bite disconnected, it will be better next week :)00:12
phillwgilir: how do I do about torretning the little horror (I mean iso)00:12
phillwgilir: let me try that again... slowly; How do I go about getting the iso torrented ?00:13
gilirphillw: do you create the file .torrent for it ?00:15
phillwit's sat on my server, whilst they will allow betas of lubuntu on there, they do not allow torrenting or IRC stuff.00:16
phillwgilir: Derrick, however, will once we get the ubuntu 10.10 server set up on his dedicated server :)00:17
lontraso my fonts at lxdm are sharp but when i enter lxde they are all fuzzy ... any ideas? it's really quite painful to my eyes00:20
phillwlontra: I've been following the chat, but I'm sorry that I have no ideas as to what the problem may be. :'(00:21
lontrayeah googling this doesn't seem to solve anything00:22
lontrai tried using gnome-appearance-properties but that only installs gnome and then it doesn't work in lxde anyways00:23
phillwlontra: could you ask on the mailing list? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved  We don't spam, and there could well be one of the people there who can help you.00:23
lontrathe lxde developers mailiing list?00:24
lontrabrb00:25
phillwwe all work in different time zones, no, the lubuntu mailing list - if we get no joy from there, then feel free to ask on the lxde group; I'd prefer it is sorted within lubuntu as someone else will have the same problem. But you're welcome to mail both lists.00:25
lontraok00:26
gilirphillw: To start the torrent, it will be nice that people which have the .iso, also download the torrent, so they can immediatly start to seed the .iso00:26
phillwgilir: okies, I can seed for a while as I've just topped my 3G dongle up.00:27
phillwgilir: once head_victim has got it written up, I'll email the list and ask that people become seeders.00:28
lontraphillw, i don't actually see mailing list00:31
phillwgilir: it was quite an outstanding piece of work. Reading the email I could barely follow the convoluted process that was needed, but do seem to have a working alternate install :D00:35
lontraso i have to join the lubuntu team to be on the mailing list?00:37
gilirphillw: yes, it will be very useful :)00:37
phillwlontra: As far as I know, you need a launchpad account to join a mailing list.00:38
phillwgilir: just on the other topic of i586, is it feasable to support 10.04 ?00:42
lontraphillw, email sent ... i think00:45
lontrayeah if you look here ... http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/enable-smooth-fonts-on-ubuntu-linux/00:49
lontrai want the first image not the second image00:49
gilirphillw: if it's only support updates for LXDE packages and Lubuntu specific packages, yes it's feasable00:49
gilirphillw: it could also be a good training for someone who want to start learning packaging ;)00:50
phillwgilir: I've just read the email. I have no problem with the 10.04 link back up, seems like we do need it.00:51
phillwgilir: I'll ask on UBT to see if there is a slave who is interested in that (ooops, meant padawan).00:51
phillwI've currently got my maximum of 2, although I may granted an exception for bioterror.00:53
lontradoes lxde get it's fonts from a separate place than lxdm?00:53
phillwgilir: ^^^ ?00:53
lontraagain brb00:55
* lontra playing and testing fonts00:55
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gilirah fonts problem ...00:56
gilirthe only way to modify fonts with a GUI, is to used lxfontconfig, in lxadmin (using this PPA https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~lxadmin-team/+archive/testing)00:59
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head_victimlontra: I think I lead you astray it's possible font rendering isn't available to Lubuntu but you might just be able to sort it out by adjusting the default fonts or the size of them.01:05
Mountian_Manhello, have i joined the lubuntu channel correctly01:31
Mountian_Man?01:31
head_victimYes01:32
head_victimThis is the support channel for Lubuntu :)01:32
szczurand we're here to help you :)01:33
Mountian_Manthank you head_victim. does anyone know how to use different screen resolutions for different uses?01:33
Mountian_ManI have two users who need large letters for their poor vision. while the other two of us, would really prefer fitting as much info on the screen as possible. however i havnt found a way to save resolution preferences per user. the only way i can find to adjust the resolution, does so for all user. :(01:35
slooksterpsv1hmmm are they using ldm or gdm as their display manager?01:36
slooksterpsv1*lxdm01:37
szczurslooksterpsv1, we're using lxdm as display manager01:37
phillwhiyas slooksterpsv101:38
slooksterpsv1yeah I should know that one; I think gdm may have better results in changing the resolution when changing users01:38
slooksterpsv1ih phillw01:38
slooksterpsv1I can't say for sure, but... well I'll try it in a vm and let you know if that works ok Mountian_Man01:39
Mountian_ManI am sorry, I am still learning linux. it is the default. the cammand (when i looked under propperties of the icon) is " lxrand" i think sorry ditracted by toddler01:39
phillwMountian_Man: If they sign on as different users it should save their profiles01:40
phillwlxrand is the one to alter screen properties, however it should remember them for each user.01:41
stlsaintxfce and lxde are more amazing everytime i see them :D01:41
Mountian_Mannope i have signed in as each user individually and it adjusts the resolution for all. (preferences>monitor settings)01:41
phillwMountian_Man: I'll file a bug, the devs will get it fixed for you, just give them a bit of time.01:42
slooksterpsv1nope that didn't work :(01:43
head_victimHmm01:44
head_victimHow are you changing the resolution?01:44
Mountian_Manphillw thank you very much I noticed in ubuntu that there were two different routes to adjust the resolution. is there a similar possible alternative for lubuntu?01:44
slooksterpsv1head_victim: lxrand01:45
Mountian_Manhead_victim (preferences>monitor settings)01:45
slooksterpsv1*lxrandr I cannot type I apologize01:45
head_victimHeh I was wondering if there was a place in somewhere you could put a lxrandr line in a post login that you could change for each user.01:46
Mountian_Manphillw is there a way i can follow the progress of the bug report?01:48
head_victimMountian_Man: if you subscribe to it on launchpad you'll receive all changes/comments01:48
Mountian_Manbtw i absolutely love this os. my aunt has a pc that was given to her and it was like watching grass grow trying to use it. but with this lubuntu the pc is flying.01:49
phillwMountian_Man: yes you can subscibe to a bug, but I've filed it via our mailing list as all the devs and other gurus will receive it. (It's a dirty cheat and not really supposed to be done).01:49
Mountian_Manthank you phillw so are you a dev?01:50
phillwMountian_Man: no, I'm a documenter; I try to keep our hep files up to date.01:50
phillw*help*01:51
Mountian_Manphillwoh ok cool01:51
phillwMountian_Man: so the devs do cut me a bit of slack when I go nag them :)01:51
Mountian_Manslooksterpsv1 well thank you for trying.01:52
slooksterpsv1Mountian_Man: you're welcome, lol trying to see if there's a way I can get it to work, not going over so well lol01:52
Mountian_Manyeah i have been at it, though i have limited knowledge of linux system admin, all day01:53
slooksterpsv1awesome lol01:54
Mountian_Mani am just stoked i was able to use this pc as a print server for a couple of windoze laptops aswell01:54
slooksterpsv1I love Lubuntu - I just want a 64-bit iso port01:54
slooksterpsv1oh yeah, the whole Debian area of Linux seems to make things easier and easier, and with Ubuntu they make it even easier01:55
Mountian_Manyeah even with out the 64 bit i am thinking about switching from ubuntu to lubuntu on my main laptop01:55
slooksterpsv1well you can get the 64-bit version of Lubuntu either with having Ubuntu 64-bit installed then install lubuntu-desktop or there's also another way on the wiki, going through I believe a netinstall01:56
phillwMountian_Man: you can use the 64 bit kernel for lubuntu, just we do not have an iso image for it.01:56
phillwMountian_Man: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall01:57
slooksterpsv1when it does come out I'll be the first one using it haha01:57
Mountian_Manoh ok.  would it still keep the speed up if i used gnome apps though?01:57
slooksterpsv1should - I don't see any reason why  not01:58
phillwMountian_Man: if you drag in the gnome library, your machine will slow down horrendusly01:58
slooksterpsv1phillw: but doesn't some of the lubuntu programs use gnome libraries?01:58
phillwI did a remove with a guy earlier and he could not believe how faster his machine was after it.01:59
Mountian_Manmeaning in my reasearch the selction of aps helps a great deal. i for sure saw a difference between lubuntu and linux mint xfce01:59
phillwslooksterpsv1: no gome libraries.01:59
phillw*gnome*01:59
head_victimMountian_Man: couldn't you insert a lxrandr setting into the Session startup for each user?02:03
slooksterpsv1phillw: ok then I use a lot of gnome programs haha02:04
Mountian_Manhead_victim I'm willing to try though i do not know how i would do this?02:06
head_victimI'm googling, I need more bash scripting skills to accomplish this how I was thinking, through /etc/lxdm/Xsession02:09
Mountian_Manhead_victim thank you for your effort.02:09
Mountian_Mani have to leave for a bit. ill be back though in an hour or so. (food!!!!) thank you all for being so helpful.02:22
head_victimMountian_Man: no dramas, if I find a workaround I'll let you know02:22
slooksterpsv1phillw: so gnumeric and gnome-player don't require gnome libraries?02:25
slooksterpsv1question for anyone that can answer, if Chrome (google chrome) is version 7.0.xxx why is Chromium for Lubuntu still 6.0.xxxx02:29
slooksterpsv1head_victim I gots a question02:32
head_victimWhat's that (sorry the reboot was because I was trying to find a keyboard shortcut and hit the wrong one :/)02:32
slooksterpsv1if Chrome (google chrome) is version 7.0.xxx why is Chromium for Lubuntu still 6.0.xxxx02:33
phillwslooksterpsv1: it's because chrome is the version that sends all the spying bit to google and chromium does not.02:34
phillwslooksterpsv1: we  prefer the spyware free version ;)02:34
slooksterpsv1nice to see you drop in phillw haha02:34
phillwslooksterpsv1: PM02:34
head_victimslooksterpsv1: chrome is a google product, chromium is an open source version of chrome, so they do have differences.02:35
slooksterpsv1ok I like chromium then yay chromium02:35
head_victimslooksterpsv1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_%28web_browser%29#Differences_between_Chromium_and_Google_Chrome02:37
slooksterpsv1head_victim: thank you =D02:37
head_victimNo worries, I hate paraphrasing stuff I'm not 100% certain on so I always try to find a half decent source02:37
head_victimMountian_Man: I can't get what I want to work sorry03:03
Mountian_Manhi all im back!03:03
head_victimBut http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-resize-screen-size-quickly.html could be something to look at until the bug is fixed03:03
Mountian_Manthats ok  i really appreciate you trying though03:03
Mountian_Manyeah thanks i will give that a try and i bet they wont mind a one click solution for now :)03:05
head_victimIt's as simple as you're going to get without making it automated I think.03:05
Mountian_Manso are there and kind of reputation score on here, you know where i could show others how much i appreciate head_victim's assistance?03:06
Mountian_Manor just a sincere thank you?03:07
head_victimA thanks is all I do it for, not sure if there is any system.03:08
head_victimI usually learn as much out of it all as you will03:08
phillwMountian_Man: just saying thank you is reward enough for any of us that help.03:09
stlsainti take monetary thank you's as well03:16
Mountian_Manum, how do i do this with out gnome?04:38
Mountian_ManRight click on desktop > Select Create Launcher04:39
ChizHello, guys!08:33
ChizAnybody here?08:33
bioterrorI am08:33
ChizHi!08:34
ChizCan you help me to start LXDE instead of curent GUI in ubuntu???08:34
bioterrorwhat?08:34
Chiz:-)08:34
bioterroryou're running something08:34
bioterrorand you want to start LXDE08:34
ChizUbuntu08:34
ChizYes08:34
bioterrorokay08:34
bioterroryou have installed lubuntu-desktop?08:35
ChizI don't know :-)08:35
ChizHow to check?08:35
bioterroropen terminal and say "sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop"08:35
bioterrorand answer yes if it asks something08:35
Chizok08:36
ChizIt processing smth08:36
ChizOutputing y all the time08:37
bioterror:D08:37
ChizThat is all? I'm downloading and starting your virus? :-)08:37
bioterroryes08:38
bioterrorwhen you have that login screen08:38
bioterroryou can choose which desktop to use08:38
bioterrorGnome, LXDE08:38
bioterrorand so on08:38
bioterrorfrom the left bottom of the screen08:38
bioterror(at least, that's how it used to been ;)08:38
ChizThanks!08:39
ChizHow long are going to be here?08:39
bioterrorwell, I'm kinda always here08:39
ChizThat is great! :-)08:40
bioterrorit's Session08:40
bioterrorthat menu where you can choose what you want to use as your desktop environment08:40
slooksterpsvbioterror: is there a difference from Lubuntu and LXDE for sessions?08:42
bioterrorwell08:42
bioterrorlubuntu is that lxde08:42
slooksterpsvright08:42
bioterror!lubuntu08:46
ubot5lubuntu is a project to create a derivative of Ubuntu using the LXDE desktop environment. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu08:46
slooksterpsvso does that mean that the components that make up Lubuntu will be loaded for like power management, etc. where LXDE would use the defaults from what Ubuntu uses?08:48
bioterroryes08:48
bioterrorwhen you install lubuntu, you get those loaded automatically on login08:48
bioterroryou dont have to worry about those08:48
slooksterpsvlol I installed Lubuntu desktop alongside ubuntu desktop08:50
bioterroryeah08:50
bioterroryou can do that08:50
bioterrorand when you run lubuntu desktop, you can remove ubuntu desktop ;)08:51
slooksterpsvNOO that removes all my applications I use hehe08:51
bioterrorChiz, have you downloaded all the needed files?08:56
lenThumbs up on the speed and low memory usage for 10.10.  I tried 6 different distro to try to breath life into an ancient 266 Mhz, 128MB notebook.  Lubuntu was the only one I could even get to install.  I thought it was a lost cause, but it actually runs OK.  Unbelievable!09:02
bioterrornice to hear09:03
bioterrorlen, we have now a alternate install cd, which makes installation on that kind of machines even easier09:03
bioterroran alternate...09:03
lenI also has an old 600mhz 512MB machine with Kubuntu 10.10 installed.  It ran so sluggishly it was unusable.  I changed it to Lubuntu 10.10 and it's snappy now.  The difference is incredible.09:04
bioterroroh yeah09:04
bioterror512MB and 600MHz is not enough for KDE 409:04
bioterrorit might look nice, but the desktop is sloow09:05
bioterrorKDE is the most resource hungry Desktop Environment you can find for X09:05
lenbioterror,  Cool.  I wish I'd had that because the install took hours and hours becuase the intall program itself took every drop of memory and it was paging back and forth to disk for hours.09:05
slooksterpsvtru09:05
bioterrorlen, it became public last night ;)09:06
lenGreat.  Manybe I can revive some more "junk" machines from the grave now :)09:06
bioterrorI et you can09:07
bioterrorbet09:07
lenStability is great too, with one exception.  One one of the notebooks, the screensaver closes the session when it kicks in and brings it back to login.  I assume it is crashing x-server.09:08
bioterroryes09:09
bioterrorI usually disable the xscreensaver09:09
lenIt works fine with screensaver disabled.09:09
lenI don't care about fancy screensavers, but I would at least like the "blank screen" on to work.09:10
bioterrorI put my laptop on sleep when I dont need it. it resumes so fast and connects to wireless09:11
bioterrorthat it's almost same09:12
lencan you set it to go to sleep automatically and x minutes of inactivity just like a screensaver?09:13
bioterrorlen, press the battery icon on your systemtray and click prerences. there's "display" put display to sleep when iactive for:09:14
bioterrorlen & Chiz, can you join #lubuntu-offtopic09:15
bioterrorit's more layback channel without logging for talking about lubuntu and other stuff, this channel is mainly for helping with prolems ;)09:15
lenAh, OK.  I don't have a battery widget for some reason.  I assume that is supped to be there by default.  Maybe it only shows when you're on battery.09:15
bioterrorahh yes,  you can configure it from there09:15
bioterrorplug the powercord off and click the icon09:16
lenYup, that was it.09:18
bioterrornow you get blank screen09:18
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thevishyhow do I enable wireless14:15
thevishy!wireless14:15
ubot5Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs14:15
thevishyhi14:22
thevishycould you help me with network connection by default in LXCE14:23
bioterroryes14:24
bioterrorwhat's your problem14:24
sulumaris there a gwibber like application for Lubuntu15:16
thegladiatorhi how can i set the frequency seletor16:18
thegladiatorI need to have show desktop featue also16:21
bioterrorone speed means full speed! ;)16:21
bioterrornext from lxde menu16:22
bioterroris show desktop16:22
thegladiatori have lxde menu file manager and web browser16:22
bioterrorhttp://images.maketecheasier.com/2010/05/lubuntu-desktop.jpg16:23
bioterroryou see that chromium16:23
bioterrornext to it16:23
thegladiatorOh that one ok :)16:24
thegladiatoralso this frequency selector applet is not letting me change freq16:24
thegladiatorI need that because the computer heats up fast hence need to reduce cycles16:25
thegladiatorotherwise LXDE is just fast and good16:26
bioterroryou cant change those from BIOS?16:28
thegladiatorno I just need to lower it when required it just cools up16:29
thegladiatorGnome has that CPU selector thing16:29
bioterroris it really so that the CPU Frequency application does not work?16:31
thegladiatorthere is a plugin you can add to panel called spufrq front end that doesnt allowq me to change just view16:31
bioterrorhmmm16:32
bioterroruno momento16:32
bioterrorI'll fire LXDE to my desktop16:32
thegladiatorRight16:32
bioterrorokay16:33
bioterrorI dont have one?16:34
thegladiatoradd to panel16:34
thegladiatorand chose cpu freq front end16:34
bioterroradd / remove panel items16:34
thegladiatorYeah16:34
bioterrorI would like to know what you've installed16:36
thegladiatorlxde basically16:37
thegladiatorDo you see add items ? Many of them16:37
thegladiatorAdd Panel Items - Panel Applets - CPUFRQ fontend16:37
bioterrorI'm running 10.1016:38
bioterrorand I dont have one16:38
bioterrorcant find anything like that with my apt-cache16:39
thegladiatorI installed maverick and then installed lxde . It appears in my comp as cpufreq frontend . its a applet you can add to the Panel16:40
thegladiatorhow do I search the apt-cache ?16:40
bioterrorapt-cache search something16:40
thegladiatoror lets say view an installed package ?16:40
bioterrorapt-cache show something16:40
bioterrorthegladiator, dpkg -l16:41
thegladiatornot sure but when I give a search it says thegladiator@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-cache search cpufreq frontend16:41
thegladiatorxfce4-goodies - enhancements for the Xfce4 Desktop Environment16:41
bioterrorhaha16:41
bioterrorniice16:41
thegladiatorlol16:41
bioterror   * CPU frequency management plugin (xfce4-cpufreq-plugin)16:42
thegladiatorwill install that16:42
bioterrorthat was from the xfce4-goodies16:43
thegladiatoroh16:43
bioterrorapt-cache show xfce4-goodies16:43
bioterror;)16:43
thegladiatorright so i think have to check some other options because its not in LXDE16:43
bioterrorwell16:46
bioterrorthegladiator, come hang with us on #lubuntu-offtopic ;)16:46
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mmaksimovdoes anybody know md5 of the alternate iso? the link on the maillist appears broken...17:03
head_victimmmaksimov: is it the same link as on the wiki at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/AlternateInstall17:11
head_victimhttp://phillw.net/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso17:11
mmaksimovhead_victim, not the link to the iso but md5 checksum of it17:39
mmaksimovhow do I change the key that switches keyboard layouts?17:55
head_victimmmaksimov: if it helps I can md5 a copy of it here that worked for me?17:58
head_victimmmaksimov: as far as shortcut keys go have a look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1422861 for ideas18:00
head_victimSorry I'm a bit slow at the moment, coming and going from the computer.18:02
czzmy eth0 won't register sometimes until i reboot and it's fine.18:03
head_victimczz: does it give any errors?18:07
head_victimIf it mentions unmanaged networks then have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall#Unmanaged%20Wired%20Network for some solutions18:09
mmaksimovhead_victim, it would be nice to have an md5 of a known-to-work image.18:19
head_victimmmaksimov: 1932a563c99ae40721d1f37c3804c37218:23
czzhead_victim, no, it doesnt recognize my nic card18:23
head_victimczz: and it's never had a problem before?18:23
czzit has happened before18:23
czzeven on unr18:23
czzit always solves the issue once i reboot18:24
mmaksimovhead_victim, unfortunately lubuntu-rc.xml does not have a binding for keyboard layout switching.... any other ideas? ugh, and thanks for the checksum18:26
head_victimczz: I'd say it's a hardware issue then if it's an intermittant fault with different installations.18:28
Slurpeeanyone have experience installing Virtual Box guest additions for Lubuntu?18:28
head_victimSlurpee: work fine for me18:28
head_victimmmaksimov: read the last comment on the forum post.18:29
head_victimczz: is it a pci card? If so I'd try removing it, cleaning the contacts and reseating it.18:30
mmaksimovhead_victim, which comment? lubuntu-rc instead of lxde-rc? I know which one is correct, however it does not have the binding to switch layout (and I don't think it is done this way)18:32
Slurpeehead_victim, I am able to get the VBox additions to install, but I run into X Window driver issues and can't go full screen.  Any ideas?  I have tried updating, upgrading, grabbing gcc, dif headers, etc.18:33
head_victimAh k, I was only going on what they were suggesting.18:33
czzhead_victim, not a pci card18:33
head_victimSlurpee: you might need to update virtualbox itself, older versions don't support xorg 1.918:33
head_victimSlurpee: I had that issue before 3.2.10 came out18:34
Slurpeehead_victim, thanks for feedback.  Trying new version of vbox now.18:36
head_victimczz: oh ok, just seems odd it's happening to multiple installations.18:36
head_victimSlurpee: no worries mate18:36
Slurpeehead_victim, looks like ubuntu repo kept defaulting to 3.10.  I am manually grabbing 3.2.10 from vbox site.18:43
head_victimSlurpee: yeah I use the PUEL version from the site, has much better USB support18:44
Slurpeek looks like I need to remove 3.10. going to reboot to be safe.18:47
Slurpeeill let you know how it goes :)18:47
Slurpeebrb18:47
head_victimSlurpee: no dramas mate cheers18:47
stlsainthead_victim: howdy18:48
head_victimstlsaint: morning18:49
Slurpeehead_victim, whoa this vbox upgrade is a big diff!19:04
SlurpeeDo all of the 3.2 versions have the Oracle stuff plastered everywhere? ;019:04
stlsaintyep :D19:04
phillwSlurpee: head_victim is heading for bed, as it is 03:30 in Australia :)19:05
SlurpeeWell hopefully Oracle fixes my issue :)19:05
SlurpeeI created lubuntu2 vm with the new version19:06
Slurpeefigured i will start fresh on both systems.19:06
SlurpeeI was installing all sorts of headers, packages, dkms, etc.19:06
SlurpeeI updated my host too.19:06
SlurpeeShall I run anything special in fresh version of lubuntu to fully install all of the vbox guest additions?19:07
mmaksimovhuh, another try.... how do I change the key that switches keyboard layouts?19:24
hblounthi. i just installed lubuntu on my old acer aspire 1.5ghz 512mb ram laptop. i had ubuntu on it before. with ubuntu the left-right scroll thing on my touchpad worked,but not with lubuntu. the up/down scroll works on lubuntu though. and the power button on ubuntu used to bring up prompt to shutdown/restart/logoff, but on lubuntu nothing happens. i thought ubuntu and lubuntu were the same thing. can i fix this?19:58
stlsainthblount: they are not the same, linux based yes but different environments and tweaks20:00
phillwhblount: I'm confused (nothing new) " left-right scroll thing on my touchpad worked,but not with lubuntu. the up/down scroll works on lubuntu though"20:02
bioterrorI havent had any problems with that scrolling on touchpad20:02
bioterrorahh, yes up n down20:02
phillwneither have I20:02
bioterrorI've never owned that new touchpad, or hitech ;)20:03
hblountup/down works. left/right don't. on ubuntu it did. someone told me ubuntu is supposed to function same but guess not20:03
* phillw repeats :)20:03
bioterrorlubuntu != ubuntu with gnome20:03
bioterrordid I remember that one right :)20:04
phillwhblount: are you on launchapd?20:04
phillw*launchpad*20:04
hblountphillw: whats that20:04
phillwhblount: it's where you tell the ubuntu community a bit about about you.20:05
hblountoh.no sorry im noob20:05
hblountdo i ever need an antivirus or spyware thing with lubuntu?20:06
bioterrorno you dont20:06
phillwhblount: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved  that will allow you to email to the devs, that way they can have a look at your problem for you and you even get a reply :)20:07
hblountphillw: cool thanks. i like lubuntu alot so far20:07
phillwhblount: thanks for that, it makes what we do all worthwhile when people say it :)20:08
phillwhblount: you may consider joining the #lubuntu-offtopic channel, we just chill out in there and have a laugh.20:09
bioterrorthat's active channel20:10
bioterroralot of talk in there nowdays ;)20:10
phillwbioterror: well, to be honest, 10.10 has been that stable it's been pretty boring in here !!!20:11
bioterrorhahaha20:12
bioterrortoo good20:12
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hblounthow smooth does live boot lubuntu on a usb drive run?20:19
bioterrordepends on machine20:20
bioterrorwith my dell d420 it's fast and quick20:20
bioterrorwith hp nc8320 or something like that it was, it was slow20:20
bioterrorwith hp 2540p it was fast20:20
hblountok cool. how different is running off usb vs installing on HDD?20:21
bioterrorwith usb you get lags becouse it's not that fast20:21
bioterror~8MB/s vs 40MB/s ;20:21
bioterror;)20:21
hblountmakes sense. thanks20:22
bioterroryeah20:22
bioterrori like to boot sometimes my pendrive20:22
bioterrorwhich I made installing from CD-R to my USB stick20:22
bioterrorI can suggest it20:22
hblountcool.do u get all functionality with usb boot?20:24
bioterroryes20:26
hblountcool. i want to try usb boot and tether my smartphone for mobile broadband20:26
bioterror:)20:26
bioterrorif you end up buying a new laptop, you can go to store, stick your pendrive into that machine and boot up and do some testings :D20:27
hblountnever thought of that. thats sounds fun20:28
bioterroryeah, if it doesnt work out of the box "sorry, no deal" :D20:29
hblounthaha20:32
czzpendrive?20:32
bioterrorczz, linux on usb key20:32
bioterrorkey, stick, what ever you want to call it20:33
czzjust curious20:34
phillwhblount: it's also an idea to test if the WiFi works, else if it is broadcom, you need some extra stuff.20:38
hblountoh20:38
bioterrornew hp compaq's uses broadcom :P20:39
phillwhblount: broadcom chips are not a problem, just *buntu cannot include the drivers by default.20:39
hblountphillw: i see. thanks20:40
phillwhblount: the latest chip set is covered at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx But it's not too hard to navigate back.20:42
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phillw!grub2 | kosaidpo21:53
ubot5kosaidpo: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10.  For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub221:53
kosaidpophillw: okies21:53
kosaidpothanks21:53
kosaidpophillw: i got this as vesrion grub-install (GRUB) 1.98+20100804-5ubuntu321:55
phillwkosaidpo: that's grub221:56
MonthOLDpickleI have a resolution of 1024x60021:56
kosaidpouhm how so it says 1.98 : D21:56
phillwkosaidpo: because they have not decided to make it v2.00001 yet. but 1.98 is grub221:57
kosaidpohahaha okies i see21:58
MonthOLDpicklewhat is the aspect ration of that resolution?21:58
phillwMonthOLDpickle: if you tell me the monitor, I'll go and see if I can google it for you.21:58
MonthOLDpickledell monitor21:58
MonthOLDpickleon a netbook21:58
MonthOLDpickleI am going to go with 16:921:59
MonthOLDpicklecause the math is like 16:9.37521:59
andaiyo!22:00
andaiis laptop support good?22:00
stlsaintvery22:00
stlsaintwell, depending on what your asking!? :D22:00
phillwokies, if you have problems, shout out on here & I'll go do some digging for you, for your information there is a dell area on the main support forum at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=342 who are familiar with Dell computers.22:01
andaiit boots? lol22:01
stlsaintandai: uh, yea lubuntu does boot22:01
andaibasically i'm considering upgrading to the newest Ubuntu, but i thought instead of wasting time upgrading to a new version of the same crap, i might try Xubuntu again instead22:01
andaibut then I thought, Xubuntu was pretty fast, but still pretty slow compared to some really lightweight stuff i've tried22:02
andaiand i remembered Lubuntu was both lightweight and noob-friendly22:02
andai( this is my mom's laptop :D )22:02
phillwandai: give lubuntu a try, if you don't like it; don't pay us any money :D22:02
stlsaintandai: if your looking for a light distro than yes lubuntu will server your purpose22:02
andaihaha :D22:03
andaianother thing: I have a 8GB flashdisk and 3GB VirtualBox WinXP install that i'd like to use22:03
andaii'm wondering what distro i should run it on22:03
stlsainti hear theres a distro called.....crap...um22:03
stlsaintoh yea22:03
stlsaintLUBUNTU22:03
stlsaintthat works great22:04
andaihow much disk space does it take up22:04
andaii was surprised the ISO was over 500 mb22:04
andai( tinycore is 11mb )22:04
stlsaintwell ive been told it can be installed in 1gb22:04
andaidoes it come with a bunch of stuff i can uninstall22:05
stlsainttinycore also is not meant to be a daily fully used desktop system22:05
stlsaintandai: what do you mean?22:05
andaiYeah, but i'm not using it at all, i'm just using it to run VirtualBox which i'm using to run a minimal XP install22:05
andaiso i just need barebones linux + vbox22:05
andaiTinycore has a VirtualBox package but you need to do stuff i'm not familliar with (stuff apt-get usually does for you)22:05
phillwandai: you can go via minimal install and lubuntu core.22:06
andaiphillw: minimal install?22:06
stlsaintaye, minimal install22:06
andaidoes the CD offer that?22:06
MonthOLDpickleandai do you have bluetooth?22:06
andaimaybe, never need it22:07
MonthOLDpicklethan lubuntu is for you!22:07
MonthOLDpicklepersonally love lubuntu myself but I am using crunhbang22:07
andaibut Ubuntu supports bluetooth, so aren't there packages for that? (does Lubuntu use the repositories?)22:07
phillwyou can do it via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall I've just got to update it for the core install.22:07
MonthOLDpickleI have tried over and over22:07
MonthOLDpickleits really buggy22:07
andaiah22:07
stlsaintandai: really it comes down to what you are looking for in a distro22:10
andaiMonthOLDpickle: You there! Briefly compare Lubuntu & CrunchBang for me, if you will :)22:10
MonthOLDpickleWell I use a dell mini 9..I have upgrade mostr internal parts, liek the ssd hard, wifi, memory.22:15
MonthOLDpickleI got sick of windows...I went through a bunch before finding Lubuntu.22:15
andaiahh22:16
MonthOLDpickleWhat I loved about Lubuntu was it was using the sudo apt-get commands which I am learning about mostly and everything worked out of the box. It had chromium as default and pidgin there too.22:16
MonthOLDpickleLubuntu is really fast on my single core intel atom 1.6ghz PC. FLash even works awesome can watch in full screen.22:16
MonthOLDpicklejust I use a bluetooth mouse and BT is not too high on the list of features. I even tried installing Ubuntu than doing sudo apt-get lubuntu-desktop to install over ubuntu and it didn't fix it.22:17
MonthOLDpickleNow I have this22:17
MonthOLDpicklehttp://i52.tinypic.com/2zxuoar.jpg22:18
MonthOLDpickleIn terms if speed22:18
andaihaha i love your bg22:18
MonthOLDpickleLubuntu is faster and it pretty much will work out of box. Care to tell me what system you have / specs of the machine?22:18
MonthOLDpickle>.>22:19
andaiIntel Core 2 Duo @ 2,40 GHz22:19
andai2 GB RAM22:19
MonthOLDpicklewhat screen size?22:20
MonthOLDpickleYOu can run practically any distro you want22:20
MonthOLDpickleHow new are you to linux?22:20
andaibeen messing with ubuntu for a few years22:21
andaii'm relatively familliar with the command line22:21
andaiat least i know enough to startup the graphical stuff and repair xorg when i mess it up (but i think xorg's changed and those days are over)22:21
MonthOLDpickletry out arch linux22:21
andaiYeah? Why? :P22:22
stlsaintMonthOLDpickle: lol...you are anti lubuntu i see :D22:22
MonthOLDpickleno I love lubuntu22:22
MonthOLDpickleits perfect except for the BT =p22:22
MonthOLDpicklebut he has a beefy system he can do w/e he wants22:22
andaibtw i'm considering two very different things here22:23
andai1. super barebones install with X, to run VirtualBox22:23
andai2. minimal distro that my noob mother can use (don't make me install Windows 7 :D)22:23
stlsaintandai: i would not suggest arch for a system that requires small amounts of resources, stick to the lighter alread configured distros, with arch you will have to manually configure everything yourself and you will probably not be able to tweak it lower than say, #! or lubuntu22:23
MonthOLDpicklemother..ubuntu for sure22:23
stlsaintandai: also your grandmother CANNOT use arch!! :D22:23
MonthOLDpickleHe has same specs as my work laptop22:23
MonthOLDpickle5 years old22:23
stlsaintandai: arch is one of the more advanced distros22:23
MonthOLDpicklecan run photoshop and autocad at same time22:23
andaihaha yeah i run tons of crap on here22:24
andaibut i was recently looking through the system monitor, the processes22:24
andaiand saw tons of default-installed crap i didn't need22:24
MonthOLDpicklethat CPU is a great CPU22:24
MonthOLDpicklealso whats your GPU22:24
MonthOLDpickleonboard intel?22:24
andaiohh my GPU is tricky22:24
andaisome mobility radeon, ati22:24
MonthOLDpickleah22:24
andaito even get it to work at all you can't have more than 3gb ram22:24
MonthOLDpicklemine has nvidia 7600 or 7800 gt22:25
andaimy laptop has two 2GB sticks, i had to remove one22:25
bioterrorI'm configuring Arch atm.22:25
MonthOLDpickleif its like my laptop22:25
bioterrorthis is... well... not that fun :-)22:25
MonthOLDpicklethe mobo limnits the amount of ram to 2GB22:25
bioterrorand the packages are more limited than with ubuntu22:25
andai( there's a workaround but it's complex and i was expecting it to be fixed by the next release )22:25
MonthOLDpicklealso andai you comptuer is most likely 64 bit22:25
andaiyup22:25
bioterrorand AUR is not that hot22:25
MonthOLDpicklebioterror: http://i52.tinypic.com/2zxuoar.jpg22:25
andaibut 64bit is causing some trouble with java and i can't play minecraft :P22:25
MonthOLDpickleWhy do I come off as a lubuntu hater?22:26
andailol they're jealous22:26
MonthOLDpickleI PLAY MINECRAFT22:26
andaiof you sexing with other distros22:26
MonthOLDpickleI have a server install on the server @ work lol22:26
bioterrorMonthOLDpickle, what are you running?-)22:26
MonthOLDpicklecrunchbang22:26
bioterrorahhh ;)22:26
stlsaintbioterror: my experience with arch is more or less...love hate :D22:26
bioterrorstlsaint, I feel you man22:26
MonthOLDpickleI open up to andai about how much I love lubuntu22:26
bioterror;)22:26
MonthOLDpicklethat I am watching it22:27
andai:D22:27
MonthOLDpickleand I am called a hater =p22:27
* stlsaint must admit that he is currently running #! on this second lappy :D22:27
MonthOLDpickleoh I wish I knew how to quit you22:27
stlsaintMonthOLDpickle: ^^22:27
andaii think i'll get Lubuntu and CrunchBang to start out with, mess with them in vBox22:27
stlsaintandai: with that combo you cant go wrong22:27
MonthOLDpickledon't bother with Lubuntu in VB22:27
kosaidpoMonthOLDpickle: i like the wallpaper can you send it to me please btw ohw uget these info in ur desktop u use conky ??22:27
slooksterpsvMonthOLDpickle: why not?22:27
MonthOLDpicklejust install it on the laptop aas second os22:27
stlsaintandai: im running #! with less than 100mb ram running and lubuntu was even lower in my vm after a few custom tweeks22:28
MonthOLDpickleYea I used conky22:28
MonthOLDpickleI am trying to make a calendar on it22:28
slooksterpsvMonthOLDpickle: it works in vbox very well, just when you install the drivers you have to do it like so: sudo ./VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run && sudo reboot22:28
MonthOLDpicklekosaidpo: what resoultion do you have?22:28
kosaidpoMonthOLDpickle: can you send me ur wallpaper please22:28
MonthOLDpicklevb works for me it was completely different on my netbook =p22:29
* andai 's short on CDs, can I install it without burning to CD22:29
MonthOLDpickleYea I am asking what resolution you have cause its 1024 x 60022:29
MonthOLDpicklehttp://wallbase.net/wallpaper/18343122:29
kosaidpoMonthOLDpickle: 102422:29
MonthOLDpickleandai let it be known22:29
MonthOLDpickleonce bt is fixed22:29
MonthOLDpickleI will be going back to lubuntu22:29
andai1366x76822:29
stlsaintandai: yep, use usb22:30
bioterrorandai, that's tv resolution22:30
MonthOLDpicklepeople still use CS22:30
bioterrorwith hd ready tv22:30
* MonthOLDpickle is omgwhy22:30
stlsaintMonthOLDpickle: sure cover up your anti-lubuntu sentiment now :P22:30
andaiYeah, pirated movies work perfectly22:30
MonthOLDpickleAndai this room is logged22:30
kosaidpoMonthOLDpickle: thanks22:30
MonthOLDpickleand that is OT so /join #lubuntu-offtopic22:30
andaiYeah, pirating isn't illegal in holland, but seeding is, so if you use torrents you're fucked22:31
MonthOLDpicklebtw making jello shots out of 190 proof22:31
andailol22:31
andaiaaanyway, so, Lubuntu = OK for noobmother?22:31
MonthOLDpickleandai we have an ot channel22:31
MonthOLDpickleI would just slap on ubuntu for her22:31
MonthOLDpicklethan..sneak in lubuntu later22:31
andaino i'm on the laptop now, running ubuntu22:31
andaiit's fine22:32
andailemme take a screenshot22:32
bioterrorarch linux isnt that much minimal than what debian is22:32
MonthOLDpickleyou should use eubuntu lol!!!22:32
MonthOLDpicklearch is debian22:32
MonthOLDpickleisn't it22:32
bioterroror it is22:32
bioterrorless packages in repos :D22:32
andaieubuntu?22:32
bioterrorhahaha22:32
bioterrorhad to compile some apps by myself22:32
stlsaintbioterror: thus i say arch is more advanced than the average use is used/prepared for22:33
MonthOLDpickleandai http://edubuntu.org/22:34
andaihttp://s1.bild.me/bilder/290710/5540011craptop.jpg22:35
andaiCan i make ubuntu look like this22:35
andai*lubuntu LOL22:35
bioterrorhuh22:35
andaiMonthOLDpickle: Why would i give my mom edubuntu? She's not senile yet22:35
bioterrorhorrible desktop22:35
andailol i know22:35
andaithat's all my shit in there22:36
andaiyou said this is logged so i blurred out the porn and pirated movies22:36
bioterrorI havent seen anything that disgusting for a while :)22:36
bioterrorwho those icons are HUUUGE?22:36
MonthOLDpicklewhat is this22:36
andaiyup22:36
MonthOLDpicklewhat am I looking at!22:36
andaihaha22:36
bioterror:D22:37
andaianyway i meant the taskbar22:37
bioterror"oooo mi eyez!" ;)22:37
bioterrorhttp://www.newsrealblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/what_has_been_seen_cannot_be_unseen_695.jpg :D22:37
andailubuntu uses openbox by default?22:40
stlsaintandai: openbox?22:41
stlsaintno22:41
stlsaintlxde22:41
andaimenu>Other has "Openbox Session"22:42
andaii clicked it and didn't notice anything change22:42
andaibut now it's running as a process22:42
stlsaintandai: you will need to install tools required to do a multisession setup22:46
andaiah22:47
andaii mean.. why is it there22:47
andailol22:47
stlsaintandai: options are always available ;)22:48
andaican i easily install Lubuntu to flashdisk? :D22:49
kosaidpoguys whn i go in recovery mode i dont have that root line22:53
bioterrorwhat you have then?22:53
kosaidpoa line to fix broken packages another one to go in network as a root22:55
kosaidpoi dont rmbr the others22:55
bioterrorthere should be "shell" or something like that if I remember right22:55
kosaidpoill reboot okies bioterror22:55
bioterroryou migt have to say sudo passwd root in your normal boot22:56
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bioterror!lubuntu-desktop23:18
ubot5k/ed/x/l/ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage. It depends upon other packages and brings them in; you can safely remove it, but it is recommended that you re-install it when upgrading.23:18
kosaidpobioterror:   i kno its meta one but shud i remove it cus i already did  with leafpad one time23:20
kosaidpowht u advice me guys23:20
phillwkosaidpo: you do not remove it with leafpad !!!, just allow it to be removed :)23:21
slooksterpsvphillw is right23:21
slooksterpsvI'm going to reboot I'm bored of LXDE gonna reboot to XFCE :P bb in a few23:21
kosaidpophillw: thats philo hihii23:21
kosaidpophillw: so in the end its not installed  right ?23:22
phillwkosaidpo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Remove%20lubuntu-desktop23:22
kosaidpophillw: okies thanks23:23
kosaidpophillw: btw im plainin to launch a blog is there any cool logo for lubuntu to put on my blog ?23:23
phillwkosaidpo: the documentation area does keep me busy :)23:23
kosaidpophillw: cus my sucky understandin in english or mybe i did im jst not really sure so23:27
phillwkosaidpo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork would be a good place to head, I use http://forum.phillw.net/viewforum.php?f=18 but that includes a link to down load it.23:27
kosaidpoif will upgrade i shud put this --no-install-recommends in he end of the cmmd like last night23:28
phillwkosaidpo: are you running 10.10 lubuntu?23:28
kosaidpoyeh23:28
phillwkosaidpo: you will have an option called update manager in your menu system.23:29
kosaidpophillw: yeh i do have that app23:30
kosaidpoupdate-manager you mean right ?23:30
phillwkosaidpo: that will keep you up to date when you ask it to.23:30
phillwkosaidpo: if there is anything urgent, it will tell you.23:31
kosaidpoyesh i kno : ) but the last time i guess cause of the lack of that lubutu-desktop pacjage asked me to do a partialupgrade first23:31
kosaidpopartial upgrade first when tryin to go to 10.1023:31
phillwkosaidpo: partial updates are not really recommended. Ensure that you have the lubuntu-desktop meta installed.23:32
andaiwhat's the default username on livecd?23:32
andaii logged out23:32
phillwandai: none23:32
kosaidpotheres none23:32
andaienter ; enter doesn't work23:32
kosaidpoi guess23:32
kosaidpophillw:  is it23:33
andaihow do i login23:33
phillwelse it will be root, and no password23:33
kosaidpojst sudo with no psw required23:33
andaiI'm at the login screen23:33
andaithere's a textbox asking for a username23:33
andainothing doesn't work23:33
phillwuse the name root23:34
andaii logged out cause i killed the pcmanfm process and then the desktop vanished :P23:34
kosaidpoandai: i guess it shud if u use a livecd it go throu automaticly23:34
andairoot/blank doesn't work either :P23:34
phillwandai: just reboot :)23:34
phillwif you killed pcmanfm, then you have a non working system.23:35
andailol23:41
andaii started it up again23:41
andaibut it didn't load the desktop23:41
kosaidpoandai: uhn how so23:42
kosaidpowht do u have ? then23:42
andaii mean pcmanfm :P23:42
kosaidpooh it crashes you mean wht lubuntu u have ??23:42
andaii mean i killed it to free up 20mb of ram and when i started it up again it wouldn't load the desktop :P23:52
MonthOLDpickleandai installing lubuntu?23:59

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