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[00:18] <cjwatson> lool: debconf bug really, not going to fix before travelling to UDS now though
[00:24] <ScottK> corecode: We don't really want a newer roundcube than Debian has as we want to be able to leverage their security support (my opinion anyway)
[00:26] <cjwatson> lool: (changed my mind, see bug)
[00:31] <corecode> fair
[00:41] <RoAkSoAx> /win/win 2
[00:41] <RoAkSoAx> bah
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[00:50] <jorgenpt> Hi, I've built a package using apt-get source package, then dch -l myversion, debuild and dpkg -i.
[00:51] <jorgenpt> How can I tell Ubuntu to downgrade to the one from the repo instead
[00:54]  * jorgenpt downloads .debs and dpkg -i
[00:54] <jorgenpt> But is there a better way?
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[00:57] <Sarvatt> sudo apt-get install package/release
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[04:28] <zxt> d
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[05:55] <rohan> why does nouveau driver not support modeset in maverick? i only get a black screen on boot. is there any way to solve it? i want to use nouveau only, don't want to switch nvidia binary driver. thanks.
[06:01] <ScottK> cjwatson: Somehow python2.7 got bumped back down.  I'd appreciate it if you'd rescore it (again) for powerpc.
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[09:03] <cjwatson> ScottK: apparently already failed to build
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[11:09] <Madkiss> hi folks
[12:39] <stefano> i got this error when uploading to my ppa: "Source/binary (i.e. mixed) uploads are not allowed." (first time i created the deb myself) - could anybody spare a minute helping me out with this?
[12:40] <persia> You might want to ask in #launchpad (PPAs are a service of launchpad).  I suspect you wanted to have run `debuild -S` to create the source package.
[12:40] <stefano> persia, i'll try that in reverse order, thanks!
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[13:27]  * ogra_ac guesses cjwatson will love monkey.libre today ... oh my
[13:28] <ogra_ac> mass incompleting installer bugs is really not a good idea
[13:29] <persia> Let's hope we can find a good solution: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-qa-n-triage-revisited
[13:30] <ogra_ac> sure, up to then people should refrain from running bug scripts though
[13:30] <ogra_ac> at least for incompleting installer bugs
[13:31] <persia> I'm not sure that's *ever* a good idea, unless one is an active member of the installer team.
[13:31] <ogra_ac> right
[13:32] <ogra_ac> sigh, another 6 ...
[13:32] <ogra_ac> since i typed the above
[13:35] <ogra_ac> sigh, and he is not in #ubuntu-bugs or something
[13:35] <persia> Most folk who are messy aren't.
[13:35] <ogra_ac> and another 6
[13:41] <ogra_ac> 9 this time round ... at that frequency i'll drown in bugspam if i arrive in floriday
[13:41] <ogra_ac> -y
[13:45] <ScottK> cjwatson: Yep.  Thanks.
[13:48] <ogra_ac> ah, and for the fun of it the script he uses is so buggy that it incompletes some bugs up to three times
[14:08] <bdrung> kirkland: what do you think about moving errno from ubuntu-dev-tools into bikeshed?
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[14:54] <geser> how much history is to preserve during a merge? my debdiff for the vim merge contains around 1k insertions and over 90% of those insertions belong to debian/changelog. The history is around 9 times bigger than the actual changes.
[14:57] <geser> kirkland: as you were involved in changing "syntax on" by default for vim, what's your opionion on bug #572627? (see also the comment from James Vega (Debian maintainer of vim) in bug #63172)
[14:57] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 572627 in vim (Ubuntu) "ftdetect scripts not loaded from directories added to runtimepath" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/572627
[14:57] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 63172 in vim (Ubuntu) "Better vimrc default" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63172
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[15:10] <ScottK> geser: The usual answer is all of it.  Should be motivation to work to a sync so it can go away I guess.
[15:11] <geser> ScottK: I'm already working on at least minimizing it, but I doubt that all remaining Ubuntu changes make sense in the Debian package (like Launchpad integration)
[15:13] <ScottK> vim needs launchpad integration?
[15:13] <geser> ScottK: it's more getting links to Launchpad in the Help menu
[15:13] <ScottK> I see.
[16:03] <Peace-> hi
[16:03] <Peace-> i would like know if here there is someone that can help me with udev
[16:03] <Peace-> and nokia 5800
[16:03] <Peace-> i was creating a script to syncronize mny nokia
[16:04] <Peace-> but...
[16:04] <Peace-> udev seems doesn't recognize my udev.rules
[16:04] <Peace-> i have some informations here
[16:04] <Peace-> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1603921
[16:04] <Peace-> that is what i get from my nokia
[16:04] <Peace-> i tried this
[16:04] <Peace-> SUBSYSTEMS=="usb",DRIVERS=="usb",ATTRS{idVendor}== "0421", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0156", OWNER="root", GROUP="disk", RUN+="/tmp/aresyn-qt-bash"
[16:05] <Peace-> but ... doesn't work
[16:05] <ScottK> Peace-: Help is in #ubuntu.
[16:05] <Peace-> well... that is not an official issue
[16:05] <Peace-> xD
[16:05] <ScottK> It's off topic here.
[16:05] <Peace-> oh
[16:05] <Peace-> ScottK: and where shoudl i go ?
[16:05] <Peace-> to develop this script?
[16:06] <ScottK> Not sure, but it's not about development of Ubuntu.
[16:07] <Peace-> ok
[16:07] <Peace-> ty anyway
[16:07] <G__81> hi everybody i am interested in contributing to Ubuntu. I am interested in fixing bugs and adding features, though adding features is a futuristic goal at the moment but bug fixing is something that i want to start off with
[16:10] <G__81> is this the right channel to ask this question first of all ?
[16:12] <ScottK> G__81: It depends on what your interests are.
[16:12] <ScottK> For example, if you are a Kubuntu user and interested in KDE, #kubuntu-devel would be better.  Similarly #ubuntu-desktop for Ubuntu Desktop.
[16:13] <G__81> yeah i am interested in bug fixing and have been using Ubuntu
[16:13] <G__81> currently using the 10.10 version
[16:13] <G__81> looks brilliant
[16:14] <ScottK> Sounds like you might want #ubuntu-desktop then.
[16:14] <G__81> whats this channel all about ?
[16:16] <kirkland> geser: sorry, I'm unfamiliar with pathogen and ftdetect
[16:16] <kirkland> geser: is there a proposed solution to the problem?
[16:17] <geser> kirkland: as far as I understand it, the solution is to not set "syntax on" in /etc/vimrc
[16:17] <kirkland> geser: users of pathogen are welcome to do that
[16:18] <ScottK> G__81: This channel is the central channel for all sorts of Ubuntu development.  You'll generally do better to start in a place more focused on your interests.
[16:18] <kirkland> geser: sorry, i'm AFK for a while now
[16:18] <G__81> oh ok thanks ScottK
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[19:47] <kklimonda_> are we going to get tcl 8.5 into natty?
[19:47] <penguin42> kklimonda_: Seems to be there already
[19:48] <penguin42> kklimonda_: Actually, it's 8.5 in maverick as well
[20:00] <ScottK> We've had it since Hardy.
[20:02] <kklimonda_> ah, my bad - the question was supposed to be "is tcl 8.5 going to be default in natty"
[20:05] <penguin42> are the build logs for packages on line somewhere?
[20:06]  * penguin42 is trying to see why something just doesn't seem to be in the package yet the config is there
[20:07] <ScottK> penguin42: Yes.  On launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/$PACKAGENAME (then click on the version/architecture you're after)
[20:07] <geser> penguin42: yes, in LP
[20:07] <penguin42> ScottK: Thanks
[20:07] <ScottK> You're welcome.
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[20:48] <slangasek> james_w: can you help me solve http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/gourmet.html#2010-10-18%2000:43:53.361984 (in the immediate instant, if not the general bug)?  I've got a bunch of work I'd like to do on this package and I'd rather like to be able to use the bzr branches I've already been working on
[20:48] <slangasek> s/instant/instance/
[20:49] <james_w> yes, provided it takes less than 10 minues
[20:52] <james_w> slangasek, took a stab at it and asked for a retry, but I have to dash now, sorry
[20:52] <slangasek> james_w: no worries - have a safe trip :)
[20:53] <levu> is here anyone working on evolution? i have a question concerning one of the patches ubuntu applied to evolution
[20:57] <slangasek> levu: not working on it, but maybe I could divine the intent if you tell me the patch
[20:58] <levu> slangasek: it's patch 89_express.patch. The settings for "format new message in HTML" was removed with this patch for express edition, which is really bad
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[21:01] <slangasek> levu: looks like you want to talk to didrocks for that - or just file a bug; it's a large patch, this may just be a problem that was overlooked
[21:04] <slangasek> james_w: alas, failed with the same error again :(
[21:04] <levu> slangasek: ok, i've filed a bug but i want additionally talk to didrocks. for the future: where can i have a look if i want to know who is responsible for a bug?
[21:07] <slangasek> levu: the package changelog under /usr/share/doc/$package shows you who's been uploading it to Ubuntu (the changelog entries that have 'ubuntu' in the version number anyway), that's usually a good first approximation; in this case, didrocks is both the usual uploader, and the person whose name is attached to the changelog entries that reference 89_express.patch
[21:08] <levu> slangasek: k, thanks. Is he sometimes in here? or just on launchpad?
[21:09] <slangasek> levu: he is often here, and in #ubuntu-desktop; developers will be more scarce on-line today, both because it's a weekend and because it's the weekend before UDS so most are traveling
[21:09] <slangasek> (indeed, from the logs it seems didrocks is already at UDS)
[21:16] <bmhm> hi there. How can I make a bug in launchpad more "interesting" to other people? We (users and main dev) think, that the importance is chosen to low.
[21:17] <bmhm> It's a showstopper in ubuntu 10.04 and 10.10, a bug in shotwell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shotwell/+bug/555408
[21:17] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 555408 in shotwell (Ubuntu) "Shotwell makes USB mouse jumpy/jerky" [Low,New]
[21:22] <levu> slangasek: ok, i'll wait until he comes back and do my work and write a patch for his patch so that he doesn't have much work :)
[21:37] <amikrop> hello, in a fresh 10.10 install I only have sound when the speakers are not connected
[21:37] <amikrop> I mean, the big speakers
[21:38] <amikrop> the internal laptop speakers play sound
[21:38] <levu> amikrop: please go to #ubuntu, here is a developer channel
[21:38] <amikrop> but when I connect the external big ones no sound
[21:38] <amikrop> levu: I cannot speak to #ubuntu
[21:38] <amikrop> it says cannot send to channel
[21:39] <levu> amikrop: what happens if you try to join?
[21:39] <amikrop> levu: ok, now I can send, thanks
[21:39] <levu> lol
[21:39] <levu> joining a channel helps :)
[21:49] <bmhm> again, how can I ask for a bug's importance to be re-evaluated?
[21:50] <bmhm> or can somebody help me subscribing the right team?
[21:50] <bmhm> Bug #555408
[21:50] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 555408 in shotwell (Ubuntu) "Shotwell makes USB mouse jumpy/jerky" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/555408
[21:50] <nigelb> !importance
[21:51] <bmhm> nigelb, you probably need to add my nick
[21:51] <nigelb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[21:53] <bmhm> nigelb, this table tells me it should be high instead of low: Has a severe impact on a small portion of Ubuntu users
[21:53] <bmhm> so the next thing to do is?
[21:53] <bmhm> UbuntuBugControl <-- overe there?
[21:53] <nigelb> #ubuntu-bugs would be a good place
[21:53] <nigelb> but let me read the bug
[21:53] <bmhm> thx
[21:54] <ebroder> Does gphoto seriously not use udev to monitor for new devices?
[21:54] <bmhm> seems so
[21:54] <bmhm> at least digikam worked
[21:55] <bmhm> ah wait, I get it. Libusb is polling, udev is event-based - is this a true assumption?
[21:56] <BUGa_brokenkerne> evening folks
[21:56] <BUGa_brokenkerne> with the latest kernel natty upgrade, i stop being able to boot
[21:56] <nigelb> bmhm: I'd rather not override desktop team on this bug's importance
[21:56] <BUGa_brokenkerne> grub complains that it should load a kernel 1st
[21:57] <BUGa_brokenkerne> i guess 2.6.36.x is messing with grub
[21:57] <bmhm> nigelb, but things have changed since then. I'd really like to ask them to reconsider. it fulfills at least 2 »high« criterias.
[21:58] <nigelb> bmhm: the thing is, this has to be looked into by upstream, and it is being lookd into by upstream
[21:58] <nigelb> as soon as upstream fixes it, we will hve the fix
[21:59] <nigelb> the importance on LP isn't /very/ significant here
[21:59] <ebroder> nigelb: If the fix is using udev instead of libusb, which I bet it is, that's going to be a *big* fix for an SRU, and it'll affect more than just shotwell
[21:59] <bmhm> It could be just gphoto2 then
[21:59] <bmhm> shotwell relies on gphoto2
[22:00] <ebroder> bmhm: Right, that's what I'm suggesting
[22:00] <bmhm> true
[22:01] <bmhm> then a workaround would be a better idea, until gphoto makes use of udev. Like... adding a virtual dummy camera
[22:02] <penguin42> why does polling cause the mouse to get unhappy anyway?
[22:02] <BUGa_brokenkerne> https://launchpad.net/bugs/665471
[22:02] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 665471 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "[natty] GRUB no longer finds kernel with separate /boot partition" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:02] <BUGa_brokenkerne> brb
[22:03] <bmhm> penguin42, maybe DDoS? I don't know the interval
[22:04] <bmhm> *DoS, not DDoS of cause
[22:05] <bmhm> I'm looking into the source code. Maybe there's something interesting there.
[22:06] <penguin42> bmhm: I just mean that it just shouldn't screw it up by polling
[22:07] <bmhm> penguin42, I know. What i meant was that there may be some denial of service if polled too often
[22:07] <bmhm> I'd call that a fairly good reason to screw up
[22:24] <levu> slangasek: i don't think leaving the option was accidentially: /* Express mode does not honor this setting. */
[22:25] <zygomatik> hi! would someone help me with the grub shell ?
[22:25] <zygomatik> i'm trying to recover from a root fs kernel panic
[22:26] <zygomatik> but i cant use the kernel and setup commands
[22:26] <levu> zygomatik: have you tried it in #ubuntu?
[22:26] <zygomatik> levu: yeah some people advised me to boot from cd/usb key
[22:27] <levu> zygomatik: so have you tried it?
[22:27] <kklimonda_> BUGabundo: what, is kernel already broken? :)
[22:27] <zygomatik> no i cant
[22:27] <kklimonda_> BUGabundo: here goes natty ;)
[22:27] <BUGabundo> yep
[22:27] <zygomatik> at least not easily
[22:27] <zygomatik> i used a friends cd since i dont have one
[22:27] <kklimonda_> good I haven't decided to do an upgrade before UDS after all
[22:28] <kklimonda_> I was *this* close :)
[22:28] <BUGabundo> kklimonda_: easy fix, don't you worry
[22:29] <kklimonda_> BUGabundo: all I need now is to break my laptop - I'm already freaked out enough about flight ;)
[22:30] <BUGabundo> kklimonda_: edit grub conf and remove /boot
[22:30] <BUGabundo> easy fix
[22:30] <zygomatik> my question is just is it normal that i cant see "kernel" and "setup" commands inside the grub shell ? has something changed or my grub is also broken ?
[22:31] <zygomatik> sorry to insist...
[22:39] <zygomatik> kklimonda_: BUGabundo are you talking about the same problem i'm having: apt-get upgrade messed the grub conf ?
[22:39] <BUGabundo> zygomatik: no idea
[22:40] <BUGabundo> I had no such thing
[22:40] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/bugs/665471 this is it
[22:40] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 665471 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "[natty] GRUB no longer finds kernel with separate /boot partition" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:40] <zygomatik> i see
[22:40] <zygomatik> i dont have a separate boot partition
[22:41] <zygomatik> so that shouldnt be it
[22:42] <zygomatik> BUGabundo: i have kfreebsd and kopenbsd as grub commands but no "kernel" is this normal ?
[22:42] <BUGabundo> no idea
[22:42] <BUGabundo> beats me
[22:43] <zygomatik> well i guess i have to wait for my friends usb cd drive...
[22:46] <zygomatik> my grub version is 1.98+20100804-5ubuntu3 btw
[22:47] <slangasek> levu: so the thing is that reading the history, I don't think Ubuntu wrote this patch, but instead has taken it from somewhere else; Ubuntu might decide they disagree with the patch author regarding the disabling of such a feature and just haven't realized yet that this was done
[22:48] <levu> slangasek: is anywhere mentioned, where the patch is taken from?
[22:48] <slangasek> levu: probably from http://live.gnome.org/Evolution/Art (first google hit for 'evolution express' :)
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[22:50] <levu> slangasek: thanks, what i've read is that the code is from MeeGo, so i attach a patch to my bug report on launchpad and hope that some one reads the bug report :)
[22:53] <levu> slangasek: if i understand it correctly this issue is fixed upstream, so i may have a talk to the gnome developers first :)
[22:53] <slangasek> ok :)
[23:16] <owen1_> is it possible to install ubuntu-arm on archos 101 tablet?
[23:17] <owen1_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch  is this the correct steps to do that?
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