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ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from alpha)00:07
IdleOneJordan_U: does Alpha remind you of ArtArfon by any chance00:18
Jordan_UIdleOne: I don't recognize that nick off hand.00:19
IdleOneok. well they seem to be quiet right now, let's see what happens.00:20
Jordan_ULooking at logs they seem very similar. Both talk about upstream contributions and called themselves "master".00:27
ikoniaI'm going to be, exausted00:29
bazhangikonia, exhausted?00:30
IdleOneAlpha is ArtArfon, ban evading.03:14
bazhangmore nonsense03:14
bazhangIdleOne, from the BT?03:14
IdleOneyup, ban I set on him. same person 100% sure03:15
IdleOnetired of him, not putting up with this for a week. he has been told many times about the rules03:16
bazhangyeppers03:16
bazhangis roadcrosser the one asking for support with a custom redhat kernel?03:18
IdleOnedon't know03:19
bazhangodd if so, as he does not even know basic bash03:20
bazhang MasterX (~MasterX@ip-211-215-241-92.dialup.ice.net   looks like artarfon or some such (lauterino perhaps)05:32
ubottullutz_ called the ops in #ubuntu (ballcrusher can anyone please mute that troll-kid from *@ip-133-214-241-92.dialup.ice.net)05:46
rwwHello. Considering SpaceGhostC2C has apparently taken up the habit of identifying /after/ joining channels, if you want your +b on him in #ubuntu-offtopic to actually be a +b and not effectively a +q, you might want to not apply it against his cloak.06:16
rwwThat would presumably also reduce the amount of PM crap he sends to people in there since he can't send it to the actual channel any more.06:20
rwwelky: thanks06:21
SpaceGhostC2CWhat exactly has been up lately? I was allowed in, but +q, but now I'm not? Decidophobia?06:23
elkyYou identified after you joined.06:23
elkyThat tends to require intent.06:23
SpaceGhostC2Celky: intent to what?06:24
elkyEvade a ban set on a cloak, usually.06:24
SpaceGhostC2CHaha, no.06:24
SpaceGhostC2CIt's just my client.06:24
macoit was a +b not a +q06:24
SpaceGhostC2Cmaco: Probably. I just could join for some reason.06:24
maco...because you werent identified at the time you joined06:25
macoas she just said06:25
SpaceGhostC2Cmaco: Then I was removed without any notification. It was odd. I wasn't trying to avoid a ban.06:25
elkyWell then, your nickname is also now banned so we shan't be having this discussion again.06:25
SpaceGhostC2Celky: Awesome :)06:25
macoSpaceGhostC2C: ok so a bug was detected in how you are banned, and that bug has been corrected06:25
macolag :(06:26
IdleOnewhat got him banned anyway?06:27
bazhangthought he asked to be banned06:32
macowas it him or PaddyNI that told me "if i was an op, id ban me"?06:34
IdleOnewe don't do ban on request06:34
IdleOne:/06:36
elkyNo, he was baiting people and then when told by someone else he was risking ban, he made a joke about me and anal sex.06:38
elkyThen we were advised that the CC had already dealt with him privately annoying people in the -users mailing list when banned from it, so we decided a +q was insufficient.06:39
IdleOneHe can be trying.06:41
IdleOnewas just curious. thanks for the answer :)06:41
elkyHe's taken to saying random attention-seeking things in #debian-offtopic now. we'll see how long he lasts there06:45
IdleOne!guidelines > Aemaeth08:23
RoadcrosserNevermind09:07
RoadcrosserThe problem is solved09:07
ikoniaRoadcrosser: why are you back asking for support09:07
RoadcrosserI'll stop bothering you people09:07
ikoniayou where told you where not supported09:07
ikoniaRoadcrosser: you will - your banned09:07
RoadcrosserUmm09:07
RoadcrosserMy problem is solved09:08
RoadcrosserSo there is no need to ask09:08
RoadcrosserI'll focus on upgrading my software now09:08
ikoniayou won't be allowed back into the support channel again09:08
ikoniaso you won't be able to try to get any more help09:08
ikoniaproblem now solved09:08
RoadcrosserDon't really have to09:08
ikoniaok, then please leave this channel09:08
RoadcrosserUnless I have a real question09:08
RoadcrosserBut I won't09:08
RoadcrosserBye guys09:08
ikoniagrat, bye09:08
ikonianope, not meowbuntu09:18
bazhangchell shilling for roadcrosser?09:19
ikoniaChell: one moemnt09:20
ikoniamegh: can we help ?09:20
bazhangwe dont discuss others bans with outsiders do we?09:20
ikoniabazhang: I'm not going to09:20
bazhangChell, ^^09:20
Chell-.-09:21
ikoniaChell: be with you in one moment09:21
ikoniamegh: do you need anything from this channel09:21
ikoniaChell: just let me resolve any issue for megh then we can talk09:21
Chellok09:22
ikoniamegh: if you are not going to speak, please leave the channel09:22
ikoniaok - can someone please remove megh09:23
ikoniaChell: apologies for the delay, be with you ASAP09:23
ikonia!ops | megh idling for no reason09:23
ubottumegh idling for no reason: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) -  Tm_T, tritium, elky, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, imbrandon, PriceChild, Madpilot, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, tsimpson, gnomefreak, jussi, topyli, or nhandler!09:23
ubottuikonia called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (megh idling for no reason)09:23
ikoniaChell: ok, first are you still helping roadcroisser now ?09:24
Chellyeah09:24
ikoniais he still online09:24
Chellon another IRC Network, yes09:24
ikoniaah09:25
ikoniahe's not actually using ubuntu09:25
ikoniaso we can't support him09:25
Chellhmm09:25
Chellso you don't support server issues?09:25
ikoniawe do09:25
ikoniafully09:25
Chellah09:26
ikoniahe's not using ubuntu server09:26
ikoniabe aware when supporting him09:26
Chellhe said to me, he's using Ubuntu 9.0409:26
Chellserver, that is09:26
ikoniahe's not he's using a modified version by his isp09:27
Chell...damn ISPs09:27
Chellso I guess that justifies that09:28
Chellill now continue trying to get him to boot a java app with lower ram access09:28
ikoniathats up to you09:29
Chellbya09:29
ikoniaok - why is eagles joining #ubuntu-motu, and asking motu's to join #kubuntu-offtopic to help with ubuntu kernel support issues09:50
ikoniawhy is he just not directing the users to #kubuntu09:50
elkywhy does he do anything?09:52
eagles0513875hi guys :(09:52
ikoniahi eagles0513875 thanks for joining09:52
eagles0513875what did i do wrong now :(09:52
ikoniaI just wanted to ask why you where joining #ubuntu-motu, asking specific development members to join #kubuntu-offtopic to do support ?09:52
elkyo.O09:53
eagles0513875ikonia: blueskaj was having issues with his maverick box and nobody helping him as i have never experienced a problem like he had09:53
ikoniaso ?09:53
eagles0513875tbh its quite a show stopper09:53
ikoniaeagles0513875: was part of the reason you where banned from those channels due to a.) asking specific people for support b.) asking for support in development channels09:53
eagles0513875was just trying to get him some help in a nut shell09:53
ikoniaeagles0513875: you have been told MANY times about this09:53
eagles0513875ikonia: that was the only time since i have been unbanned09:54
ikoniaeagles0513875: 1.) kubuntu is the support channel 2.) don't ask specific people 3.) the development channels are not support channels09:54
ikoniaeagles0513875: yes, but you where ubanned and told to stop it09:54
ikoniayet you do it again09:54
ikoniawhat has to happen to get it through to you09:54
eagles0513875most of the time i just idle quietly09:54
ikoniabut you didn 't this time09:54
ikoniaagain09:54
ikoniaafter being told and a blanket ban being put on09:54
ikoniawhat has to happen for you to be able to grasp the rules of the channels09:55
ikoniawhy was he not pointed to #kubuntu for support09:55
ikoniawhy did you seek out senior developers09:55
eagles0513875he asked in there already09:55
ikoniawhy was he told to not log a bug/check for existing bugs and follow the proces09:55
ikoniaprocess09:55
ikoniawhy where you then using the development channels for support09:55
ikoniathose are questions I'm tired of having to ask09:55
eagles0513875it wont happen again09:56
ikoniaeagles0513875: I've brought you in here to check there was no missunderstanding, it's clear there is not, so I'm going to speak to the council about having your blanket ban put back09:56
ikoniaI don't think you need to be in the development channels and you've made it clear you can't deal with the topics of those channels09:56
ikoniaI just wanted to check there wasn't a mistake and be up front with you about it09:57
eagles0513875can i be frank with u09:57
ikoniaplease09:57
eagles0513875senior devs should know bout bugs like this and lp has so many bug probably bout half of them are from shelved releases, that...that they should be closed. also for future release they should eb aware of a serious problem like this to prevent it in the next release09:58
ikoniaeagles0513875: no - they shouldn't09:58
eagles0513875y not09:58
ikoniaeagles0513875: it is not up to individuals to resolve issues like that09:58
ikoniaeagles0513875: and it is not up to you to decide you know better than the developers dealing with bugs09:59
ikoniaeagles0513875: did you check if there was a bug on launchpad, no, did you log a bug to pass it forward, no09:59
eagles0513875ikonia: i admit i dont09:59
ikoniayou just jumped into a development channel asking for developers to support an inidivdual issue09:59
eagles0513875he did and hes seen bugs posted that are related to it and havent even been touched09:59
ikoniaso progress a bug09:59
ikoniaadd to it's value with information10:00
ikoniathe person who had the bug was in the same development channels and wasn't asking for support10:00
ikoniayet you saw it fit to ask on his behalf even though you know it's not the doen thing10:00
ikoniathat's where it is and that's where I stand, I'll progress this with the council10:01
ikoniaon a side issue, I do appreciate how hard it is to get bugs resolved10:01
ikoniasorry to have pulled you in on such a negative note, but it needs to be raised10:02
* eagles0513875 thinks this is totally unfair. the entire ubuntu community against me10:02
ikoniano10:02
ikoniayou just can't follow the rules10:02
ikoniait's your own fault10:02
eagles0513875why not get the dev channels on a different irc network then10:03
eagles0513875a private one for the devs10:03
ikoniano-one elses, the sooner you grasp that and resolve it, the problems will go away10:03
ikoniaeagles0513875: why not respect the rules10:03
ikoniaeagles0513875: why should we have to move the dev channels because YOU can't follow the rules10:03
ikoniawhy don't you join a different network so your not tempted ?10:03
ikonia(it's the same idea you've just suggested)10:03
ikoniaeagles0513875: and ranting about it in ##club-ubuntu won't help you10:04
ikoniairc council - you can expect a mail on me about this shortly10:06
bazhangryaxn and teadict advertising that channel earlier in -ot10:06
bazhangryaxn wanted to conduct a poll on it in -ot as well10:07
elkythey so very much know better :(10:08
topylimaybe banforwards to ##club would be in order :)10:09
elkyI like this plan.10:09
ikoniatopyli: can you raise the issue of eagles blanket ban re-instment of development channels with the council after you've just saw the exchange above10:10
ikoniaI will of course follow it up with a mail, but I'd like this progressed quickly rather than the normal time10:10
topylilet me read10:10
ikoniasure, (picked on you while your active and it's fresh)10:10
topylioh ok, seems sadly familiar10:12
ikoniayes, it does10:13
ikoniaand it's more the resolution atttitude too10:13
ikoniamove the channels, rather than show self control10:13
topyliyep10:15
ikoniatopyli: I'll raise this formally with the council (as I assume you'd like) but if you could progress this to get it moving, that would be great10:17
topylii have brought it up now. yes a mail would still be good10:17
ikoniatyping it now10:18
topylithanks10:19
ikoniasent10:33
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IdleOneis it just me, or is he ignoring our answers?15:02
IdleOnemessaging him to see if that helps a little15:02
bazhangyep, he's just spamming15:03
IdleOnesent a PM no answer yet. will leave on mute for now.15:03
bazhangrepeating in the channel twenty times is not a fast track for approval15:04
IdleOnenope15:04
bazhanghe was directed to -irc as well15:04
IdleOnestill no response, I guess they either don't know irc at all or they were just trolling15:06
bazhanglikely not a native speaker, judging from the IP15:06
IdleOnethey quit, removed the +q15:08
IdleOnewow why did ubottu just flood me with 19 ban review messages?16:24
elkya week ago, you played whackamole?16:27
elkyok, now i got spammed16:28
IdleOneseems like ubottu had a fit, repeated same ban 2-3 times16:28
elky6 times for me16:28
IdleOnelol16:28
jussihrm..16:31
jussits2: what do you make of that?16:31
IdleOnethey are all from Oct 16 also16:31
IdleOneI don't recall that being an excessive ban setting day for me16:31
jussilooks like there is a repeat in the db, as they all have different ban numbers16:32
IdleOnejussi: yup16:32
elkyyeah16:32
elkyjussi, see PM please16:32
jussiignore it for now, buit still check the bans and review them. Ill look into it with tsimpson16:33
Tm_TI feel so excluded, got no spam ):16:34
IdleOneexpect spam soon16:35
IdleOneprobably right now16:35
Tm_Tactually got immediately after saing I don't16:40
IdleOneyup16:41
IdleOnethat is when ubottu saw you active16:41
IdleOneso she jumped on you :)16:41
Tm_Tbrrrh16:41
jussihehe16:45
* jussi huggles ubottu16:45
ts2jussi: probably a ban sync messing with the db17:02
jussits2: that sounds about right17:10
ikoniagood old idoru17:59
ikoniahow many members are in the community council currently ?20:36
ts2ikonia: 8 it seems, https://launchpad.net/~communitycouncil/+members20:39
ikoniats2: thats what I was reading, 8 seemed a lot20:41
ts2the whole "delegation of powers" thing is quite new, so is had to be a large-ish team20:43
ikoniaI can see why, I just didn't remember 8 people getting voted in20:43
ikoniajust questioning it in my head20:43
macowell mark doesnt get voted on20:48
ikonia7 still seemed more than I remembered21:18
ubottuIn #ubuntu, zico said: ubottu: but the update is not accepting my user account password :(...an' it's askin me for one..:P21:23
ikoniaI find spaceghosts personal irc channel rules ironic based on the problems he causes in offtopic http://amberlampdesign.com/#IRC22:10
ikoniawhen did ubottu start spitting out bug information in +122:14
ts2has done for a long time. even though +1 is a support channel, it makes sense for bug info to be enabled there22:17
ikoniaI've never noticed it22:18
ts2at least for the whole of the maverick release cycle, maybe longer22:18
ikoniaabortici1e: can we help you ?22:44
abortici1eno, i just joined by accident22:44
ikoniaif you don't need anything can you please leave the channel as there is a non-idle policy22:44
abortici1eacvtually ...22:45
ikoniamsr: thanks for joining, be with you in a moment22:45
abortici1ehow can i install virtualbox ?22:45
ikoniaabortici1e: that's not a topic for this channel22:45
ikoniaabortici1e: your in #ubuntu - ask in there22:45
msrikonia, dont ever want to speak to you again, your as rude as they come on the internet.22:45
ikoniamsr: if you could please hang on for a moment22:46
abortici1eoh ...22:46
ikoniaabortici1e: if you don't need anything from the operator team, could you please leave the channel22:46
abortici1eanyways you could go ahead and do your deeds with msr, i have some questions for you later22:46
ikoniaabortici1e: then come back later22:46
msrikonia 's actions are overboard, bans for common language, as well as being rude.22:46
abortici1ewill it take long?22:46
ikoniaabortici1e: please leave the channel until you have something you need22:46
abortici1eah i didn't want to inconveniance you or anything ..22:46
ikoniaabortici1e: ask your questions now then, and I'll talk to msr when you are done22:46
msrjust for the logs because i know im not the only one22:47
abortici1ewell it was about the 'spam policy'22:47
ikoniamsr: if you would please hang on, that would be great22:47
abortici1ei got banned for 'spamming' two seconds ago22:47
abortici1ebut marienz unbanned me22:47
ikoniaabortici1e: what about it22:47
abortici1ei was wondering if you could give me tips on how to avoid that22:47
ikoniaabortici1e: talk to freenode staff, idoru is there bot22:47
abortici1ebecause i wasn't acutally spamming22:47
ikoniatheir bot sdorry22:47
abortici1ei dont' know anything about idoru, its the ubuntu bot22:47
abortici1eoh its their bot22:47
abortici1eis idoru in this channel too?22:47
marienzabortici1e: what banned you was idoru, a ferenode bot22:47
ikoniaabortici1e: it's a freenode bot, talk to staff in #freenode22:47
marienzfreenode, too22:47
marienzabortici1e: I already explained roughly what happened.22:48
abortici1edoes #linux have idoru, marienz?22:48
marienzyes.22:48
abortici1ei know, but i was like 5 seconds apart each of my messages!22:48
ikoniaabortici1e: please take this up with marienz in #freenode, it's not an ubuntu issue22:48
abortici1eand it was only 2!22:48
abortici1eokay22:48
ikoniamsr: won't keep you22:48
ikoniaabortici1e: if your done in this channel can you please leave22:49
ikoniaabortici1e: I can see you now active in #freenode22:49
ikoniamsr: almost done22:50
msrso yeah, ikonia is out of line. he is pushing a puritan agenda, and my language was not outa line. (hes ignored so i cant hear what hes saying) hes nitpicking words that really arent disruptive and taking disruptive actions from them, like banning users.22:52
ikoniaabortici1e: if you're done can you please leave22:52
ikoniaothers are waiting22:52
msrwhoever gave him op should consider de-oping him22:52
ikonia msr> Somelauw, your machine is fucked.22:53
abortici1etest22:53
ikoniait's not acceptable langauge, asking you to stop using it is not rude22:53
abortici1eam i still here?22:53
ikoniaabortici1e: yes22:53
ikoniayou are22:53
ikoniaabortici1e: type /part22:53
abortici1ei did22:53
abortici1eoh wait maybe its macro'ed i was playing with it earlier ...22:53
msrwhen i say "sounds like your machine is fucked. that signal ..." and then a ban that is out of line22:53
ikoniaabortici1e: /type part22:53
abortici1ei think /part was being macroed because iw as playing with logigng22:53
abortici1eis there another way?22:54
ikoniaabortici1e: type /part22:54
abortici1ei did its not working22:54
abortici1ecan you hear me?22:54
ikoniayes22:54
abortici1eis there another way to leave?22:54
ikoniamarienz: can you please kick him to help him leave22:54
ikoniaabortici1e: I don't know what client your using22:54
IdleOneclick the X top right of the window22:54
ikoniamarienz: thanks22:55
ikoniamsr: sorry about that,22:55
ikoniamsr: you where banned because after me asking you to control your language you told me to watch my rudeness22:55
ikoniamsr: asking someone to control their language is not rude22:55
ikoniaI brought you in here to discuss it as to not discuss it in the #ubuntu-support channel22:55
ikoniamsr: "fucked" is not acceptable language22:56
marienzikonia: sorry about that, I guess I should've prodded him in #freenode to begin with instead of replying in here22:56
ikoniamarienz: I was only pushy as msr was waitng and I got the impression he was trying to see the show22:56
* marienz nods22:57
ikoniamsr: that's where you wheere banned, if your comfortable controlling your language, we can remove the ban and get you back into #ubuntu22:57
ikoniamsr: actually I've just read the scroll back and see you have me on ignore (or say you do)23:00
ikoniaIdleOne: are you still active23:00
IdleOnemsr: are you here?23:00
msrikonia, i know this isnt apropriate to say (since i have you ignored and cant hear your reply) but you really are out of line for banning for use of common, non-disruptive, language. this is not preschool, we are adults. "fuck" is one of the most versatile words in the dictionary, and even has its wikipedia article. in the context i used it, it was appropriate and in no way obscene or indecent. consider how your actions effect o23:00
msrthers before taking them, and retribution is not an appropriate reason for a ban.23:00
msrIdleOne, yes23:00
ikoniaIdleOne: if he does not remove ignore I'll not remove the ban23:00
ts2msr: that word is not acceptible in #ubuntu23:01
ts2if you refuse to accept that, choose another channel23:01
IdleOnemsr: The language rule is not debatable. you have to either follow our channel policies or you can not be in the channel. Also you need to remove the ignore on ikonia or the ban will not be removed. I want to help get you back in #ubuntu but you got to work with us here.23:02
msrthe ignore will not be removed. i do not need to get into #ubuntu, so not much harm done. if i cannot use common language and get banned within 5 minutes for doing so, then the channel is not worth going to and i will find help elsewhere. thank you for your input tho.23:03
IdleOnemsr: Will you agree to follow our policies?23:03
IdleOnemsr: that is fine. have a good day.23:04
IdleOnemsr: if you change your mind you can come back and we can discuss it then23:04
msr:) if i remember23:05
IdleOneok, please part the channel since we seem to be done here.23:05
IdleOnehey Jordan_U23:07
ikoniathanks guys23:08
IdleOneikonia: leave the ban. he can come back if/when he wants to talk like an adult with us23:08
Jordan_UHi, are you watching m4h3m in #ubuntu?23:08
ikoniaI am now23:08
bazhangheh beat me to it23:08
Jordan_UThanks.23:08
IdleOneikonia: no problem :)23:09
bazhangwow 15 messages from ubottu23:09
ts2ignore 2/3 of them :)23:09
IdleOneseems I have the record so far, got 19 earlier :P23:10
bazhangokay :)23:10
IdleOnenow fix empathy,pidgin,skype for me so I can cam with my little girl :/23:11
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=== MC_Hammer is now known as IdleOne
bazhangseems I have been deactivated23:20
IdleOnedeactivated?23:20
bazhangno reason given by nhandler , just that I am not a member of the ubuntu-irc team anymore23:20
nhandlerbazhang: ~ubuntu-irc hasn't been used for anything for a long time23:20
nhandlerWe are re-purposing it23:20
IdleOnelol23:21
nhandlerAll direct members were removed23:21
bazhangnhandler, I was never on the access list there, to my knowledge23:21
bazhangif you are referring to the channel #ubuntu-irc23:21
nhandlerbazhang: ~ubuntu-irc had nothing to do with being on the access list in any channel. It was what we had before we had multiple LP teams for each channel23:21
nhandlerbazhang: It doesn't have anything to do with #ubuntu-irc23:22
bazhangnhandler, so this is completely unrelated to the ubuntu operators team?23:22
nhandlerbazhang: It was basically a depricated team23:22
bazhangnhandler, so completely unrelated to the ubuntu operators team then?23:27
IdleOneyes, sorta kinda23:29
nhandlerbazhang: The team used to be for ubuntu operators, but it hasn't been used for any real purpose since we setup the other LP teams. In short, you have nothing to worry about wrt the deactivation23:30
bazhangnhandler, I see. thanks for the clarification.23:30
IdleOnebazhang: you should have +o in #ubuntu-irc23:32
IdleOneoh you don't have membership23:32
bazhangnope only @ubuntu have it.23:33

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