[00:04] <maku> I am a newbie here, I downloaded minecraft, but I cannot get it to run. Will someone please help me? I have done everything I can to figure it out
[00:05] <lindows> what is mine craft
[00:05] <maku> a game, it logs into the internet
[00:05] <maku> it's at minecraft.net
[00:05] <lindows> ok
[00:06] <maku> like I said, I downloaded it, the webpage says to run it with java..but when I open the file and seqarch what I can run it with it does not have the option to run it with java...
[00:06] <kklimonda_> maku: but that's most likely not the right channel to ask this question (unless you are already on 11.04). Try #ubuntu
[00:07] <maku> oh ok sorry
[00:07] <kklimonda_> maku: i know it works on 10.10 just fine, you have to install java for it to run
[00:08] <kklimonda_> but I don't remember specifics at the moment (what package ships java, what command to write to run it etc.)
[00:08] <maku> hmm, ok I thought I had it installed but I'll try to check it
[00:11] <BUGabundo> oh goodie!! Firefox decided to crash... always
[00:19] <BUGabundo> what a nite !
[00:19] <BUGabundo> grub broken
[00:19] <BUGabundo> firefox 3.6 broken
[00:19] <BUGabundo> apport broken
[00:19] <BUGabundo> wow
[00:19] <BUGabundo>   File "/usr/bin/apport-cli", line 414, in <module>
[00:20] <kklimonda_> :)
[00:20] <kklimonda_> heh, 11 hours to departure and I can't slee P/
[00:20] <kklimonda_> oh well, I'll sleep on a plane
[00:22] <kklimonda_> BUGabundo: I see you are  having a great time with natty :)
[00:22] <BUGabundo> :)
[00:27] <kklimonda_> Linux in a nutshell: "hey, that almost works for me". :D
[00:28] <BUGabundo> *** Problem in firefox-3.7
[00:28] <BUGabundo> The problem cannot be reported:
[00:28] <BUGabundo> bad apport
[00:31] <kklimonda_> :D
[00:31] <kklimonda_> bad apport, no supper for you!
[00:32] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Welcome to +1 - at the sharp end of the Narwhal
[00:34] <BUGabundo> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606724
[01:00] <BUGabundo> ohhhh and evince is broken too
[01:04] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Ooh so it is
[01:05] <BUGabundo> warning: the debug information found in "/usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/evince" does not match "/usr/bin/evince" (CRC mismatch).
[01:05] <BUGabundo> WOW
[01:05] <BUGabundo> in 5 years ... that's a first
[01:06] <penguin42> do you want me to try the same report?
[01:06] <BUGabundo> already did
[01:06] <kklimonda_> BUGabundo: that's uncommon but not unseen :)
[01:07] <BUGabundo> it is by me
[01:07] <penguin42> give us the bug number and I'll confirm it
[01:07] <BUGabundo> uploading logs
[01:07] <BUGabundo> LP is slow
[01:08] <BUGabundo> all I see is a rotating star
[01:08] <BUGabundo> ahh it moved
[01:09] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/665747
[01:09] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I reckon the settings schema error is more likely the cause
[01:09] <BUGabundo> probably
[01:10] <BUGabundo> what was that deb md5 tool?
[01:10] <BUGabundo> wanna check if anymore packages have bad hashes
[01:11] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Is that just an outdated evince-dbgsym package?
[01:11] <BUGabundo> penguin42: no idea
[01:11] <BUGabundo> its from ddebs
[01:12] <BUGabundo> ~$ apt-cache policy evince-dbg
[01:12] <BUGabundo>  *** 2.32.0-0ubuntu1 0        500 mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt/ natty/main amd64 Packages
[01:13] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy evince-dbgsym
[01:13] <BUGabundo>   Installed: (none)
[01:13] <BUGabundo>      2.32.0-0ubuntu1 0        500 http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ natty/main amd64 Packages
[01:13] <penguin42> yeh same
[01:14] <penguin42> BUGabundo: add2b5f350c4bdd01c6a1a90b7bd1911  /usr/bin/evince       ea2180812908096d076dee33364dbdaa  /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/evince
[01:14] <BUGabundo> debsums . found it
[01:14] <penguin42> 64bit
[01:15] <BUGabundo> 86c772088166e92b051f642c1bfe0707  /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/evince
[01:15] <BUGabundo> add2b5f350c4bdd01c6a1a90b7bd1911  /usr/bin/evince
[01:15] <penguin42> hmm interesting difference of opinion
[01:17] <BUGabundo> so neither of us match
[01:17] <penguin42> They shouldn't match
[01:18] <penguin42> but I would have thought we should have had the same one as each other
[01:19] <BUGabundo> $ debsums -cs
[01:21] <BUGabundo> nothing
[01:21] <penguin42> hmm, it says evince-dbgsym doesn't have md5sums
[01:21] <BUGabundo> just a bunch of "no md5sums for"
[01:22] <BUGabundo> I don't have that one penguin42
[01:22] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/518984/
[01:24] <penguin42> BUGabundo: do you have evince-dbgsym installed?
[01:24] <BUGabundo> no
[01:24] <BUGabundo> only dbg
[01:24] <penguin42> ah, I used dbgsym
[01:24] <BUGabundo> ahh
[01:25] <penguin42> I've never understood why there are the two
[01:25] <BUGabundo> easy
[01:25] <BUGabundo> diff purpose
[01:25] <BUGabundo> we can build gdb more easily and smaller
[01:25] <kklimonda_> two wat?
[01:25] <kklimonda_> what*
[01:25] <BUGabundo> but dbgsym provide more info
[01:26] <BUGabundo> but now, LP can rebuild the crash from much less info
[01:26] <BUGabundo> so we no longer need dbgsym AFAIK
[01:26] <penguin42> kklimonda_: -dbg and -dbgsym
[01:26] <kklimonda_> nope
[01:27] <kklimonda_> penguin42: -dbg is created manually by maintainers (you have to specify it in d/control and set it up in d/rules)
[01:27] <kklimonda_> penguin42: -dbgsym is generated automatically for all binary packages built on ubuntu (official) builders.
[01:28] <penguin42> kklimonda_: Is -dbg a -g build ?
[01:28] <kklimonda_> BUGabundo: dbgsym provides only info, i.e. there is almost nothing in the binary itself. LP can't retrace crashes without it.
[01:29] <kklimonda_> penguin42: no - it's not a program at all.
[01:29] <kklimonda_> penguin42: it just contains symbols stripped from a binary
[01:30] <penguin42> kklimonda_: So with the -dbgsym there is no need for the -dbg ?
[01:30] <kklimonda_> penguin42: gdb can then load those symbols - but it launches normal binary.
[01:30] <kklimonda_> penguin42: yeah, -dbg are mostly an "artefact" of debian. But they are useful, you don't have to have ddebs repositories added for example to install them.
[01:31] <kklimonda_> s/of/from/
[01:31] <kklimonda_> Fedora has had an awesome idea how to do it the "right" way.
[01:31] <BUGabundo> :D
[01:31] <penguin42> kklimonda_: How?
[01:32] <kklimonda_> don't know if they have implemented it but the idea was to have a virtual filesystem that pulls the needed files with debug symbols over the network.
[01:32] <kklimonda_> because most of the time you only need a subset of those files (or even their content) anyway
[01:33] <penguin42> I guess you could do a FUSE for /usr/lib/debug
[01:34] <kklimonda_> actually Microsoft has done it even better by integrating their debugger directly with a server that can pull symbols on demand (and then cache them locally).
[01:35] <penguin42> neat I guess
[01:36] <kklimonda_> yeah, my /usr/lib/debug uses 1.8GB of space
[01:36] <kklimonda_> and 1.6GB of it is from modules :D
[01:36]  * kklimonda_ has tried to get systemtap to work
[01:37] <yofel> I guess I should clean up a bit then :D
[01:37] <yofel> 9.1G    /usr/lib/debug/
[01:37]  * yofel blames KDE
[01:37] <BUGabundo> 767M	/usr/lib/debug
[01:37] <BUGabundo> yofel: EEEEEWWWW
[01:38] <kklimonda_> I tend to keep debug symbols only for things I can actually debug myself :)
[01:38] <kklimonda_> I push rest of crashes to LP
[01:39] <kklimonda_> I do have local Qt with debug enabled though which is ~1GB.
[01:39]  * yofel has mostly given up on the auto retracer - not reliable enough
[01:40] <kklimonda_> and I've tried to get a local gnome build from git
[01:40] <kklimonda_> but it fails for some stupid reasons :/
[01:40] <penguin42> time to go to bed and see whether Natty manages to hibernate this machine - maverick was awful at it
[01:40] <kklimonda_> heh, I had to disable 3d on nouveau because my laptop would not wake up from sleep :/
[01:41] <yofel> I don't see the point of hibernate... suspend is a lot faster and even shutting down and booting fresh is faster here
[01:42] <yofel> and it never was reliable enough here to hibernate while having stuff still open
[01:42] <kklimonda_> well, hibernation is, at least in my experience, completely broken under Linux
[01:42] <kklimonda_> it's actually quite fast on Windows
[01:42] <kklimonda_> but it does take ages on Linux and doesn't work half of the time
[01:43] <yofel> really? I think the speed is the same, XP gave you a progress bar though
[01:43] <BUGabundo> I stop using hibernate two cycles ago
[01:43] <kklimonda_> Windows 7 doesn't give any progress bar
[01:43] <BUGabundo> but now, when battery ends , it goes into some kind of state
[01:43] <BUGabundo> that's not suspend nor hiberate
[01:43] <BUGabundo> and never resumes
[01:44] <yofel> then again, *any* swap operation seems to be awfully slow these days, last time I needed like 100MiB of swap my system got almost unusable o.O
[01:44] <BUGabundo> I don't have swap
[01:44] <yofel> I don't need swap most of the time, but it's better than oom-killer
[01:44] <kklimonda_> actually any i/o operations are awfully slow these days.
[01:45] <kklimonda_> I have to use ionice -c3 when I unpack big archives or I risk freezing Firefox and few other applications.
[01:45] <yofel> +1
[01:46]  * BUGabundo blames barriers
[01:48]  * kklimonda_ doesn't have enough data to decide where to put blame but still hates it :/
[01:58] <bjsnider> it's the scheduler, probably
[02:12] <BUGabundo> it been getting worse since lucid beta
[02:25] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/664107
[02:25]  * BUGabundo ducks
[02:25] <kklimonda_> it's old news :)
[02:26] <BUGabundo> Reported by Greg Auger on 2010-10-20
[02:26] <kklimonda_> BUGabundo: it made reddit, identi.ca and few other places ;)
[02:26] <BUGabundo> its weekend
[02:26] <BUGabundo> I've been offline
[02:26] <kklimonda_> oh?
[02:26] <kklimonda_> you? offline? :P
[02:27] <kklimonda_> or have you completely switched over to the dark, droidish side? ;)
[02:31] <BUGabundo> launchpad trademark LOL
[03:38] <BUGabundo> n8 peeps
[05:27] <pepee> hi. is there a good channel for resolving problems other than #ubuntu?
[05:28] <pepee> if someone can help me: got this from a kernel panic  http://pastebin.com/WVE4Ayts  (ubuntu maverick)
[05:29] <rww> !crossposting
[05:30] <rww> plus, maverick is offtopic for this channel.
[05:30] <pepee> sadly, no one is helping me... anyway, thanks.
[05:30] <pepee> bye
[12:14] <robertf> Hello
[12:14] <robertf> I'd like to try ubuntu natty, when the iso images will be available?
[12:16] <penguin42> robertf: I think a while yet; I'm not sure when the ISOs start; things like do-release-upgrade and update-manager -d don't happen yet; the only way to try it is by editing sources.list and doing an apt-get dist-upgrade at the moment - it's very early
[12:18] <robertf> penguin42: i prefer a fresh install :)
[14:09] <jbicha> robertf: very litle has changed so far
[14:17] <BUGabundo> !info smartmontools
[14:18] <BUGabundo> maverick?
[14:18] <BUGabundo> I knew something was wrong with it
[14:18] <BUGabundo> someone uploaded the wrong file/pocket
[14:18] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I seem to have 5.39.1+svn3124-1
[14:18] <BUGabundo> me too
[14:19] <BUGabundo> but that one is higher
[14:19] <BUGabundo> but fails to upgrade cause it was removed
[14:19] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Me thinks that bot needs its brain updating
[14:19] <BUGabundo> no, my APT db says the same
[14:20] <penguin42> apt-cache show shows 3124 for me
[14:20] <BUGabundo> and good afternoon everyone o/
[14:20] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 5.39.1+svn3077-1ubuntu1
[14:20] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 5.39.1+svn3124-1
[14:20] <BUGabundo>      5.39.1+svn3124-1 0        500 mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt/ natty/main amd64 Packages
[14:20] <BUGabundo>  *** 5.39.1+svn3077-1ubuntu1 0        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[14:23] <penguin42> yeh so you're just not upto date
[14:24] <BUGabundo> I can't ... it fails to fetch the file
[14:24] <BUGabundo> maybe it's the list of mirrors that is outdated
[14:24]  * BUGabundo snake eyes jpds
[14:26] <BUGabundo> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[14:26] <BUGabundo>   python-paramiko: Depends: python-crypto (>= 2.1.0-2) but 2.0.1+dfsg1-4ubuntu2 is installed.
[14:26] <BUGabundo> this ones have been dragging since I upgraded to natty
[14:31] <BUGabundo> W: Failed to fetch mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt/pool/universe/c/compizconfig-settings-manager/compizconfig-settings-manager_0.8.2-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[14:31] <BUGabundo>   404  Not Found [Mirror: http://cesium.di.uminho.pt/pub/ubuntu-archive/]
[14:31] <BUGabundo> one of the mirrors much be wanky
[14:32] <BUGabundo> getting bad keys too
[14:33] <BUGabundo> changing to MAIN mirror
[14:33] <penguin42> anyone know if Atoms can do 64bit?
[14:34] <BUGabundo> 2nd gen, maybe
[14:34] <BUGabundo> 1st gen, no
[14:34] <penguin42> know how I can tell?
[14:35] <BUGabundo> by the chip model
[14:35] <BUGabundo> those N something
[14:35] <BUGabundo> let me read it up, in wikipedia
[14:36] <penguin42> I'll check on Intel's site
[14:36] <penguin42> bah, 32 bit
[14:36] <penguin42> It's the N270 I've got
[14:37] <BUGabundo> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom
[14:38] <BUGabundo> some of the n2, and all n3 and n4 are 64bits capable
[14:38] <BUGabundo> they no longer are really low power, are they?
[14:38] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Yeh this guy isn't http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=36331
[14:38] <BUGabundo> from 2w to 13w :\
[14:38] <penguin42> well, it's still 1/10th of a high end one
[14:39] <penguin42> but yeh 13W is getting a bit silly
[14:40] <penguin42> most annoying, I was looking at the v4l code 32/64bit compat code but the only machine I've got with a camera is 32bit
[14:44] <BUGabundo> eheh
[14:51] <BUGabundo> python-paramiko:
[14:51] <BUGabundo>   Depends: python-crypto (>=2.1.0-2) but 2.0.1+dfsg1-4ubuntu2 is to be installed
[14:51] <BUGabundo> anyone can get that installed?
[14:52] <penguin42> apparently
[14:52] <penguin42> oh no
[14:52] <penguin42> yeh paramiko is stuck for me as well
[14:53] <BUGabundo> been like that for over two weeks :(
[14:59] <BUGabundo> I wish any of my both browser WOULDN'T CRASH
[14:59] <penguin42> is it a plugin?
[15:00] <BUGabundo> I guess it mozilla way of tellimg me to finally move to FF4
[15:00] <BUGabundo> I've never run any "old" app so long
[15:01] <BUGabundo> I usually upgrade to that latest browser version available
[15:01] <BUGabundo> but one of my most used plugins doesn't work, nor did grease monkey
[15:01] <BUGabundo> let me check now
[15:14] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I don't use ff heavily on this machine that I've got natty on, but it's just played a youtube video OK
[15:16] <BUGabundo> oh it works great for a while
[15:16] <BUGabundo> crashes are randonm
[15:17] <penguin42> yeh, I don't use it that regularly - are you usign 64bit flash or 32bit +nspluginwrapper?
[15:24] <BUGabundo> 64bits
[15:24] <BUGabundo> "square" preview 2
[15:25] <penguin42> yeh well, I do like having my Flash in a separate process
[15:27] <BUGabundo> okay
[15:27] <BUGabundo> time to remove it then
[15:27] <BUGabundo> eheh
[15:27] <BUGabundo> lets see how long I survive
[15:46] <BUGabundo> nope
[15:46] <BUGabundo> still can't move to ff4
[16:06] <BUGabundo> ~/.mozilla$ mv plugins/libflashplayer.so .
[16:06] <BUGabundo> Flash BE GONE
[19:46] <robertf> jbicha: thank you
[21:16] <RoC_MasterMind> Anyone else get a boot hang after installing ubuntu server to an iscsi root?  I get this: http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9383/screenshotwrw.png
[22:06] <BUGabundo> Priority Inbox  225,936k
[22:06] <BUGabundo> Inbox (1) 371,836k
[22:06] <BUGabundo> Seesmic 633,708k
[22:06] <BUGabundo> chromium really likes its memory
[22:08] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, did gmailchecker work for you?
[22:08] <BUGabundo> never
[22:09] <BUGabundo> let me retry
[22:09] <bjsnider> in what sense did it not work?
[22:09] <BUGabundo>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/desktopcouch/start_local_couchdb.py", line 236, in start_couchdb
[22:12] <bjsnider> i thought he'd fixed that issue
[22:13] <bjsnider> it doesn't work for me either, but only because the inbox link doesn't show up in the messaging menu
[23:26] <knittl> woohooo
[23:27] <knittl> when should i upgrade? :]