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IdleOnegoing to forward ts2 to ##fix_your_connection :)00:04
IdleOnehehe00:04
bazhangwell somehow I was deactivated in #ubuntu (script fail or other) after going +o there to remove the few quiets I could see; the ones from ubottu I cannot find even after searching from the banlist 3 times00:20
bazhangI'd recommend keeping place the bans for @hitler.didnt.kill.je.ws the three.mb.ie one, as well as the 122.124.*@hinet.net00:22
bazhangfeel free to remove all others as I no longer have ops in there00:22
IdleOnehmm00:33
ts2he's still on the access list btw, first entry I see...00:37
IdleOneyup00:38
IdleOneprobably a script fail00:38
Jordan_Umulvane is trolling in #ubuntu.00:44
ubottuFloodBotK1 called the ops in #kubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from Kalidarn)01:45
bazhangguest14606?02:06
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popeysorry about that ikonia11:33
ikoniatroll11:34
ikonia1 line11:34
ikoniapopey: it's not a big deal is it11:34
popey:)11:34
popeymy irc channels have all moved about11:35
popeyi spoke without noticing where i was :)11:35
ikoniaeasy done11:35
ubottuMamarok called the ops in #kubuntu-devel ()11:53
ikonia!staff | panarchy (other nicks linux-cli and bsd-cli) will not stop trying to ban dodge11:56
ubottupanarchy (other nicks linux-cli and bsd-cli) will not stop trying to ban dodge: hey Christel, Dave2, Gary, KB1JWQ, Levia, Martinp23, Pricey, SportsChick, VorTechS, jayne, jenda, marienz, nalioth, niko, nhandler, rob, stew or tomaw, I could use a bit of your time :)11:56
KB1JWQHmm.11:57
ikoniahow many times does panarchy have to be an issue with this channel12:10
ubottuIn ubottu, MichealH-Web said: !yelp is Ubuntu's help program. To access yelp goto System > Help and Support. Its also a good idea to look at these links: http://live.gnome.org/Yelp12:10
MichealH-WebI made a small typo in my edit request12:11
ikoniaMichealH-Web: thats fine12:12
MichealH-WebIt more of a grammatical error12:12
MichealH-WebI said 'these links:'12:12
MichealH-WebIts more like 'this link:'12:12
ikoniait's fine12:13
MichealH-WebJust letting you know12:13
MichealH-WebBye!12:13
ikoniano problem12:13
ubottuIn ubottu, MichealH-Web said: !no une is Ubuntu Netbook Edition is a slightly altered version of Ubuntu, optimized for small screens. For more information, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNE - support in #ubuntu12:44
popeyinsider_ is link spamming in #ubuntu13:01
popey!une13:01
ubottuUbuntu Netbook Remix is a slightly altered version of Ubuntu, optimised for small screens. For more information, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR - support in #ubuntu13:01
ikoniahe did #k as a different user earlier13:01
ikoniawhy has michael resubmitted pretty much the same link13:02
popeyits rebranded innit13:03
popeyUNR -> UNE13:03
popeylol, UNE redirects to UNR on the wiki13:03
ikoniaah13:03
ubottuikonia called the ops in #kubuntu-devel (insider_ is SchattenMeister the spammer ban evading)13:04
ubottuikonia called the ops in #kubuntu-offtopic (insider_ is SchattenMeister the spammer ban evading)13:05
ikoniaYoungGUN: the language policy of the channel is not up for debate13:27
YoungGUNokay..13:27
ikoniaYoungGUN: no-one in the channel was rude to you, using offensive language13:27
ikoniapeople where helping you13:28
ikoniaa.) we don't care about the weather - it's a support channel13:28
ikoniab.) your language (fuck) is not needed or acceptable13:28
ikoniaif you can't contribute to the channel without using that language, I suggest you find support elsewhere13:28
ikoniaif you can't deal with people telling you to not use that language, I suggest you find support elsewhere13:28
YoungGUNi wasnt being rude. and im greatful for the help13:28
ikoniaYoungGUN: you where being rude13:29
ikoniaYoungGUN: the language is rude, when being asked not to do it, arguing it, is rude13:29
ikoniadid anyone else say go to you "holy fuck your screwed, unlucky"13:29
ikoniano13:29
ikoniathey talked to you polite and without abusive language13:29
YoungGUNikonia if u would of read what i said earlier i dont mind not using the language13:29
ikoniaYoungGUN: why did you argue it13:29
YoungGUNi didnt direct the language toward any one person first of all13:29
ikoniathe words are "sorry, no problem"13:29
YoungGUNim not arguing13:30
YoungGUNim not defying you13:30
YoungGUNi already said i wouldnt use it13:30
YoungGUNand did i say ikonia fuck?13:30
YoungGUNbecause i dont see how u can call words "bad"13:30
ikoniaYoungGUN: you said to the whole channel13:30
YoungGUNthink about it honestly13:30
YoungGUNcalling a word bad..13:30
ikoniafuck is a world wide offensive word13:30
YoungGUNits a word, its a sound we create13:30
ikoniawhy should people have to read it13:30
ikoniait's meaning13:30
ikoniait's intent13:30
YoungGUNin context i can see how it can be bad if i used racial slers or something along those lines13:30
ikoniathe language policy is not up for debate13:30
YoungGUNi beg to differ13:31
ikoniaYoungGUN: do you turn up to a job interview and say "hi fucker"13:31
YoungGUNi already agreed to ur language policy13:31
YoungGUNno i introduce myself by name, and yes i use the world "fuck" at work, because my co workers and boss realize that words are just words13:31
ikoniaYoungGUN: do you write a letter to your bank manger saying "I'd like a fucking loan"13:32
ikoniaYoungGUN: do you use "hi, I want this fucking job" in a job interview13:32
ikoniato strangers, people you don't know13:32
ikoniato people you are trying to be polite to13:32
YoungGUNno because its not proper13:32
YoungGUNnot because the word is bad13:32
YoungGUNfuck isnt a polite word13:32
ikonianot proper ?13:32
YoungGUNbut it isnt a bad word either13:33
ikoniaYoungGUN: right, so why do you not want to be polite to people in the channel13:33
YoungGUNikonia, i simply made a general statement not directed toward anyone13:33
ikoniathat the whole channel read13:33
ikoniaso it's to the whole channel13:33
YoungGUNif i would of said HEY FUCKER HELP ME13:33
YoungGUNthat would of been different13:33
YoungGUNbut i simply was surprised by the downpour of rain13:34
ikoniano it wouldn't13:34
ikoniafuck is an unacceptable word13:34
YoungGUNif the president rolls over tomorrow and says the word apple is bad13:34
YoungGUNare u going to stop saying apple?13:34
ikoniaI don't want to see any more bad language in the channel if I remove the mute13:34
ikoniait's nothing about the president13:34
YoungGUNikonia i already agreed to ur terms and regulations13:34
ikoniafine13:34
ikoniaI'll remove the mute13:34
YoungGUNim just saying words should not be classified as bad...13:34
ikoniathey ARE classified as bad13:35
YoungGUNONLY BECAUSE U CLASSIFY THEM AS SO13:35
YoungGUNi myself dont13:35
YoungGUNso to me and hundreds of thousands of other people13:35
YoungGUNitisnt..13:36
YoungGUNbut to u it is13:36
YoungGUNits an opinion game13:36
YoungGUNits like church vs science13:36
ikoniaYoungGUN: polite culture does -13:36
ikoniait's not an opinion, talk to people politly, you said fuck was impolite, don't use it13:36
ts2ragardless of your opinion, the channel rules are the channel rules13:36
topyliYoungGUN: the rules are not up for debate. resolve our issue and move on with you day. thanks13:36
ikoniatalk to people as you would speak to strangers/bank manager, polite and respectful13:36
YoungGUNwhat arent ou guys getting?13:36
YoungGUNimnot trying to argue the rule13:36
ikoniaYoungGUN: the mute has been removed, your welcome to leave this channel and return to ubuntu, please keep in mind what's been said13:37
YoungGUNthats fair enough ill take it in the sense of politeness.. but i will not classify the word fuck as bad..13:37
YoungGUNwords are just words.13:37
YoungGUNokie dokie, thanks guys. not trying to stir up trouble here.13:37
ikoniafloodbot4 just killed fb3 for ljl's connection being an open proxy13:40
ikonialjl is resolving it13:42
ikoniaYoungGUN: if you're done in this channel could you please leave as we have a no-idle policy, thanks.13:43
YoungGUNso many policies :X are these posted somewhere....13:43
ikoniain the topic13:44
ikoniacheck the topic of a channel when you join13:44
ikoniaYoungGUN: anything else ?13:45
YoungGUNjust skimmin the rules here really quick sorry13:46
ikoniamulvane and daemon in #freebsd setting up trolling runs14:17
ikonia##freebsd and #not-##freebsd sorry14:33
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ubottuguntbert called the ops in #ubuntu (c0br42)18:04
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (wtiuh31 appears to be abusive - 6)19:29
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (BANLIST FULL, REMOVE SOME BANS)19:29
ikoniasorting ban list now19:29
topylii am mobile, feel free to remove my old bans unless they're on known dorks19:31
nhandlerI've mentioned this before, but if you ban forward someone to ##fix_your_connection, you really should join the channel so you can remove the ban forward when they stop join spamming.19:38
nhandlerIt is a common courtesy that we owe to our users19:39
ikonianhandler: no it's not, the users should read the topic then report back here19:43
ikoniaif it doesn't we need to change the topic19:43
nhandlerikonia: The topic simply informs them that they were sent there due to connection troubles. They have no easy way of knowing which channels have set the forwards (other than attempting to join each channel, which is a big pain for people in many channels)19:44
nhandlerikonia: We have people serving as OPs for a reason.19:45
ikonianhandler: yes, that doesn't mean sitting watching a channel waiting for someone's connection to stabalise19:45
ikonianhandler: the topic should state, you've banned forwaded here, once your connection is stable, join #ubuntu-ops and we'll remove the forward19:46
ikoniathat way, the forward is alwasy removed19:46
ikoniaor have #ubuntu-fix-connection19:46
nhandlerikonia: ##fix_your_connection isn't an Ubuntu channel. It is a generic freenode channel that OPs are encouraged to forward users to when they have connection problems. Creating our own version of it is silly, and it just causes users with connection troubles to end up in 2 additional channels instead of 119:47
nhandlerikonia: And you don't need to sit and watch for the minute the connection resolves. However, they do usually resolve themselves within a few hours (max), so idling in that channel and checking in every now and then is not a lot of extra work19:47
ikoniayes it is19:48
ikoniayou have to go through the ##fix-your-connection bans, and then map that to the users that are still in that channel, then map that to if they are having a problem19:48
ikoniaforward them to #ubuntu-broke-connection and have the topic state how to resolve it19:48
ikoniakeeps the ban list clear, puts the responsability on the user, and takes the pressure off the ops19:49
nhandlerikonia: No. If you banfowrad *!*@unaffiliated/foo to ##fix_your_connection, then and only then, would you need to pay attention to ##fix_your_connection to see when the big join/quit spam from that user stops so you can remove the ban19:49
nhandlerAnd taking the approach you suggested just further encourages the ban and forget approach which is frowned upon by us and freenode19:50
ikonianhandler: it could be 3 days19:50
ikonianhandler: he could part the channel and the ban would still remain19:50
ikoniaforwarding to #ubuntu-fix-connection does not "ban and forget"19:51
ikoniait resovles the issue19:51
ikoniaift he user is banned to there, and the topic says "once your connection is stable, join #ubuntu-ops"19:51
ikoniait's a problem solved19:51
ikoniathey have to come here, we have to remove the ban, everyone wins19:51
nhandlerBesides the fact that we are creating an additional uneccessary channel, causing users with connection problems to end up in 2 additional channels, and not really holding OPs accountable for trying to work with the users to make their stay in our channels as easy/enjoyable as possible, yes19:52
nhandlerWe should be the ones (as leaders in the community) going the extra mile. We shouldn't require our users to do that19:54
ikonianhandler: whoaaa did you just say un-needed channels19:54
ikoniawhen we have #ubuntu-offtopic, #kubuntu-offtopic #xubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-youth-offtopic #ubuntu-de-offtopic #ubuntu-women-offtpic #ubuntu-community-team #ubuntu-beginners #ubuntu-irc-helpers #ubuntu-bots #ubuntu-bots-devel19:55
ikoniaand many many many more19:55
ikoniaagainst a channel that actually resolves a valid issue19:55
ikonianhandler: people do go the extra mile, and the fact that you're juding that extra mile by monitoring people in another channel, is bonkers19:56
ikonianhandler: where is the response to my irc-community-council mails19:56
ikonianhandler: where is the extra mile on a 4 month+ wait19:56
ikonianhandler: where is the policy that was agreed on blanket bans been documented, over 4 months ago19:56
ikonianhandler: where is the implimentation of this19:57
ikoniawhere is the extra mile for your operator team - or just the actual action of rsponse19:57
ikoniasorry to be harsh on this, but it all looks a one way street19:57
ikoniawe need to do more, do better, yet everything that goes up the chain from operators goes no-where19:57
topylii agree with nhandler on the forwarding issue. join the channel and help the user19:59
ikoniawhat a surprise bacta spamming19:59
ikoniawhat now19:59
BactaBlow it out your ass19:59
ikoniastaff - when are you going to deal with this suer19:59
ikoniahe's just hit ##linux and now trying ubuntu19:59
BactaWaiit a second20:00
* Bacta puts on his serious mask20:00
BactaMay I ask you a question?20:00
ikoniano20:00
topylino20:00
BactaYou're staff20:00
ikonia!staff |bacta hitting many channels20:00
ubottubacta hitting many channels: hey Christel, Dave2, Gary, KB1JWQ, Levia, Martinp23, Pricey, SportsChick, VorTechS, jayne, jenda, marienz, nalioth, niko, nhandler, rob, stew or tomaw, I could use a bit of your time :)20:00
BactaSo ikonia, you'20:00
Bactayou need to help me20:00
ikoniaBacta: you are not welcoem in the #ubuntu channels, please leave this channel20:02
BactaAre you staff?20:02
ikoniano20:02
BactaHahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa20:02
ikonia!ops20:02
ubottuHelp! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) -  Tm_T, tritium, elky, Nalioth, tonyyarusso, imbrandon, PriceChild, Madpilot, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, tsimpson, gnomefreak, jussi, topyli, or nhandler!20:02
ubottuikonia called the ops in #ubuntu-ops ()20:02
BactaBahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa20:02
ikoniawhy do we have to go through this utter joke every time20:02
ikoniathats the exact reason I raised the blanket ban20:03
ikoniahe pushes every channel, the ones we can do something about in #ubuntu is still waiting to be implimented20:03
BactaBahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa20:03
ikoniayeah, nice +q20:03
ikoniagenius20:04
topyli:)20:04
ikoniawhat does this user have to do to get banned20:04
ikoniaand as staff how long are you going to let him hit the network20:04
topylii am just asking them now, ikonia20:04
* ikonia watches the bacta show in #ubuntu-nz20:14
ikoniawhat is the point of letting bacta sit here on mute, just remove him20:18
ikoniaeither remove the mute and let him carry on with his toll based activities in here or remove him, it's pointless to let him idle here on mute20:19
* nhandler thought he was OPed (and channel is +z)20:20
ikoniaeasy mistake to make20:20
nhandlerBacta: Anything on-topic to say with regards to your behavior and/or the bans? If not, please respect the no idling policy20:21
nhandlerBacta: ikonia is an Ubuntu operator (not freenode staff). The bans still stand until your behavior improves and the OP team feels confident you will behave appropriately and ontopic in the Ubuntu channels20:23
nhandlerikonia: What did Bacta do in -nz earlier?20:28
ikonianothing, he was just warming up20:28
ikoniahowever it's another one of his channels he likes to hit20:28
ikoniaI'm off to do something fun, my nose is a bit out of join at the moment20:29
nhandlerikonia: Alright. He claims to have been on topic in -release-party, -nz, and -vn. I can check -release-party, I would have to check if -nz and -vn have public logs20:29
ikonianhandler: no logs, and to be honest, look at his behaviour in here #freenode and ##linux20:30
ikoniait's a total waste of time, he's on topic for 5 minutes in quiet channels to get bans in #ubuntu removed so he can start again20:30
ikoniahe has 50+ bans in #ubuntu channels, what does that tell you20:30
ikonia42 entries to be exact, so I'm not accused of distorting the truth20:32
ikoniathere are many more that he /quits before anything is done20:33
nhandlerikonia: I'm not denying his past behavior ;)20:33
ikoniaof course not, but I'm aware how if your 1 number out in such as statment as the one I've been made it can reflect bad on the whole universe20:34
ikonianhandler: keep in mind as well that BT lost a few entries during the upgrade, there is a LOT more20:35
ikoniaright, I'm off to do something fun, enjoy the evening20:35
rwwHello. See #ubuntu-offtopic. I'm curious as to whether deliberately /nicking to avoid /ignore and then mentioning changing IP address to avoid host-based /ignore is okay under IRC guidelines20:45
rwwseems to me like it would fall squarely in the "Don't be annoying" section.20:45
ubotturobinetd called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (tiox is trolling.)20:45
ubotturyaxnb called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (robinetd is violating channel guidelines)20:46
* rww facepalms at the idiocy20:46
robinetdCan somebody sane take care of the situation in #ubuntu-offtopic?20:48
rwwtopyli: just mute the whole channel for 10 minutes. do us all a favor.20:49
topylii can't be bothered, I'm on phone irc. get a real operator :)20:51
robinetdI'm trying.20:51
rwwtopyli: /msg chanserv and tell it to op me, I'll do it ;P20:51
Garydo we still ban for asking for ops?20:52
rwwGary: no, the shiny new procedure requires asking for ops before you get it.20:52
ts2well, it requires you to ask for op via LP, not IRC ;)20:52
rwwAh, but then you wouldn't have any testimonials!20:54
topylirww: there you are20:54
ts2if it means I have to read less, I'm ok with that :)20:55
ikoniawhat is the point of having these procedures if you just overrule them20:55
ikoniaI'm actually for it, but what was the point of that whole application process when you've just bypassed it in seconds20:55
ts2the processs is for getting added to the access list, not for a temporary +o when no "real" ops are about20:56
ikoniaops are around20:56
ts2then why did none of them deal with -ot?20:57
rwwThis is probably unfair, but my perception is that they should have been around ten minutes ago, not jumping in as soon as there's something to argue about.20:57
ikoniaI would have if topyli hadn't have clamed it down20:57
ikoniarww: I agree, I'm not disupting that,20:58
robinetdikonia: The only thing he did was tell me to go away. I was the one who called ops because people were breaking guidelines.20:58
ikoniarobinetd: I know, I saw what happened but topyli is an op and was sorting it, so I left be20:58
ikoniano point removing it now, I have no objection to him having it, more so as it is quiet21:00
ikoniaI just don't see the whole 5 weeks of discussion for a totally pointless process to then bypasss it21:00
ts2as I said, the process is for being added to the access list21:01
ikoniacome on21:02
ikoniayou can't have a process for adding tot he access list then just give people ops21:02
ikoniait's not "transparant"21:02
ikoniaor whatever the excuse was for the pointless process that had weeks spent drawing it up21:02
rwwnot that it really matters, but I for one think ryaxnb needs talking to in PM about what I came in about, and he and robinetd need telling off for abuse of ops calls and lack of ability to disengage from conversations with people they perceive as trolls. Just a thought.21:04
robinetdrww: I didn't abuse ops calls.21:04
rwwrobinetd: yes, you did. tiox didn't constitute a channel emergency.21:05
robinetdrww: Who decides what constitutes a channel emergency? You?21:05
rwwI would expect "common sense", but that might be expecting too much from -offtopic.21:06
robinetdI sense a veiled insult. I'm not going to argue with you. I will wait for an operator that is ready to address me.21:07
rwwAnyway, I'm going to go back to getting ready for work. Have fun in opland, everyone :\21:07
ikoniarobinetd: what's the issue, is the channel clam/ok now ?21:07
ikoniacalm21:07
robinetdikonia: May I private message you regarding my issue? The person whom it concerns is also in here, and I don't feel comfortable discussing it in front of him/her.21:08
ikoniarobinetd: sure21:08
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (balr0g appears to be abusive - 4)21:44
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (jpa1mer appears to be abusive - 6)22:19
ikoniakeep an eye on oly562 in #ubuntu, I remove the ban on him a few days ago, and he's normally a problem22:51
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (TheThing|Anally appears to be abusive - 6)22:54
ikonialooks like spammers are bothering to register users22:55
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (b23hsm34 appears to be abusive - 6)23:05
Flannelwhack a mole23:23
ikoniaagain oly562 about him running modified flash binaries that work23:57

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