| kaolbrec | Ok, this channel is usually dead it would seem (checking my scrollback) but I got some questions. | 00:42 |
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| kaolbrec | 1) How complete is ubuntu's support for ext4? | 00:43 |
| kaolbrec | 2) Does anyone else have trouble with ext4? | 00:43 |
| kaolbrec | 3) Does anyone else have issues with 1TB drives? | 00:43 |
| kaolbrec | "Issues" meaning disk access occasionally (but not always) making the OS lag like a bitch. | 00:43 |
| kaolbrec | And 12GB file transfers of mostly >100MB files taking 6 hours, disk to disk. | 00:44 |
| kaolbrec | Also the OS lag does not go away after disk access subsides. It requires a full reboot. | 00:44 |
| moetunes | ext4 is a kernel thing not an ubuntu thing and it works fine here | 00:46 |
| moetunes | did you make one huge 1tb partition? | 00:47 |
| kaolbrec | Yes, yes I did. | 00:49 |
| kaolbrec | Is that a problem? | 00:49 |
| moetunes | it might be seek times that are making it slow | 00:50 |
| kaolbrec | And the UI lag? | 00:51 |
| kaolbrec | The OS slows right down, and the OS is on another HDD. | 00:51 |
| kaolbrec | Right click menu on the desktop takes upward of 10s to appear | 00:51 |
| kaolbrec | Opening a terminal up to a minute before it's usable. | 00:52 |
| moetunes | is anything uing resources ? - top in terminal will tell | 01:00 |
| kaolbrec | moetunes, nope. I've experienced this problem a few times. Nothing out of the ordinary. | 01:16 |
| kaolbrec | It's rather irritating. | 01:17 |
| moetunes | my guess is it is trying to read from the beginning of the partition for os stuff while trying to write to the later part of the partition | 01:18 |
| moetunes | the boot filesystem check must take ages on the 1tb partition... | 01:19 |
| kaolbrec | no no - the OS is *not* on the 1TB drive | 01:21 |
| kaolbrec | It's storage only | 01:21 |
| kaolbrec | The OS is on a seperate 160GB HDD | 01:21 |
| kaolbrec | As is the grub | 01:21 |
| kaolbrec | the OS is on /dev/sdb and the 1TB drive is /dev/sdd | 01:22 |
| kaolbrec | Well, sdb1 and sdd1 but you know what I mean | 01:22 |
| moetunes | oh ok - sounds like hardware then if there's nothing taking up resources then | 01:27 |
| kaolbrec | Mrrmflrgle | 01:27 |
| kaolbrec | Thing is, exaile can play music off it all day long | 01:27 |
| kaolbrec | It just seems to be writes, but not all writes either. | 01:28 |
| kaolbrec | 30GB of music copied to it fine. | 01:28 |
| kaolbrec | And I didn't have to reboot afterward. | 01:28 |
| kaolbrec | It's a PITA | 01:28 |
| moetunes | maybe use hdparm to do some read write tests to check it | 01:28 |
| kaolbrec | I'm wondering if it's a BIOS issue | 01:28 |
| kaolbrec | Could do. | 01:28 |
| kaolbrec | Will that risk my data at all? (Just wondering) | 01:28 |
| kaolbrec | You mean a SMART test, right? | 01:29 |
| moetunes | here's a quick howto - http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Hdparm | 01:29 |
| kaolbrec | You use Arch? | 01:30 |
| moetunes | they have the best wiki imo | 01:30 |
| kaolbrec | I'd have to agree. | 01:30 |
| kaolbrec | Ubuntu's wiki is non-existant as far as I know. | 01:30 |
| moetunes | !wiki | 01:30 |
| ubottu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation. | 01:30 |
| kaolbrec | heh. Fine, whatever. | 01:31 |
| moetunes | heh :] | 01:31 |
| kaolbrec | That's more about ubuntu, the movement though. | 01:31 |
| kaolbrec | Less about ubuntu the OS. At least from the first page their. | 01:31 |
| kaolbrec | There are no links to suggest technical info. | 01:32 |
| kaolbrec | hrrm | 01:33 |
| kaolbrec | did read spead, that was good | 01:34 |
| kaolbrec | 139.61 MB/sec | 01:34 |
| kaolbrec | Write is the issue though, so next step | 01:34 |
| moetunes | sounds good | 01:34 |
| kaolbrec | Copied the line into terminal, heard disc move | 01:35 |
| kaolbrec | Now have OS lag | 01:35 |
| kaolbrec | 10.3 MB/s from that | 01:36 |
| kaolbrec | Write time should be more like 30/40, right? | 01:36 |
| kaolbrec | speed even | 01:36 |
| kaolbrec | yayy | 01:37 |
| kaolbrec | Gonna have to reboot XD | 01:37 |
| kaolbrec | cursor is still lagging | 01:37 |
| kaolbrec | hrrm | 01:37 |
| kaolbrec | Terminal started quickly though | 01:37 |
| moetunes | seems like write speed is the issue then | 01:37 |
| kaolbrec | yah | 01:37 |
| kaolbrec | This is the interesting thing though | 01:38 |
| kaolbrec | The entire OS slows down afterward | 01:38 |
| kaolbrec | I just did apt-get install htop | 01:38 |
| kaolbrec | And it's taking forever at "reading database" | 01:38 |
| kaolbrec | The apt-cache or wherever the database is, is on another HDD | 01:39 |
| kaolbrec | This is why I suspect a more general problem | 01:39 |
| kaolbrec | It's still reading database, btw | 01:39 |
| kaolbrec | It may be that my bios doesn't properly support 1TB drives. | 01:40 |
| kaolbrec | I'll have to check for an update | 01:40 |
| kaolbrec | I do rather hope that the disc isn't a dud | 01:40 |
| moetunes | it could be anything - bad cable even | 01:41 |
| kaolbrec | That's a point. | 01:42 |
| kaolbrec | Computers are so annoying. | 01:42 |
| kaolbrec | I love them, but it's hard love goddamn it. | 01:42 |
| moetunes | only when they don't work right | 01:42 |
| kaolbrec | If they were simple, I wouldn't love them though. | 01:42 |
| kaolbrec | Mmkay, htop is installed | 01:43 |
| kaolbrec | Load avg is 1.05, 1.23, 0.86 | 01:43 |
| kaolbrec | That's a little high, isn't it? | 01:43 |
| kaolbrec | Should be under .5 iirc | 01:43 |
| kaolbrec | Or maybe I'm full of shit | 01:44 |
| bazhang | kaolbrec, language please | 01:44 |
| kaolbrec | Sorry | 01:44 |
| kaolbrec | Mem usage is 750MB | 01:44 |
| kaolbrec | I guess that could be firefox, but that's only three tabs | 01:44 |
| moetunes | or with the slow write speed alot is getting buffered to memory | 01:46 |
| kaolbrec | Could be | 01:46 |
| kaolbrec | It seems to be clearing, slowly. | 01:46 |
| moetunes | in top hit shift+> to view what is using memory | 01:47 |
| kaolbrec | X is using 1.7% | 01:48 |
| kaolbrec | Closely followed by dropbox at 1.2 | 01:48 |
| kaolbrec | A lot of dropbox processes, in fact | 01:48 |
| kaolbrec | But they'll have been running since logon | 01:48 |
| kaolbrec | And it's only just started lagging | 01:48 |
| kaolbrec | closed dropbox, no difference | 01:49 |
| kaolbrec | I rebooted. The lag was driving me insane. | 01:57 |
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| kaolbrec | Ah well. I'll persevere for a while. Then I'll probably end up trying Arch to see if the problem is OS related. | 02:01 |
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| === `mOOse` is now known as m00se | ||
| autif | In Lucid (10.04 LTS), hibernation means that memory is swapped to swap partition or a hibernation file? If the file - where can I find this file? I could not find this - results were flooded with info about Ubuntu + Mac :P | 07:13 |
| autif | going to sleep now, will check back for answers in the archives. Please do reply if you know. Thanks! | 07:17 |
| Darkpaper | Hey there :) I'm pretty much a newbie with Linux techniques but have been using Ubuntu for quite a while. I just installed Xubuntu 10.04 on an older laptop but i can't get a connection to my ethernet with my Realtek RTL8139 card. Any suggestions for this common problem? | 12:19 |
| Darkpaper | Just for info: Juggling with several Google proposals didnt help, most threads of this topic seem not to be solved yet :( | 12:19 |
| ubuXubu | i have a flash drive i installed as additional memory using w7's ready boost feature. what will happen if i boot into xubuntu? will that flash memory still be used as memory or just become a flash drive(storage drive) again? | 14:23 |
| kaolbrec | The latter, as far as I know. | 14:24 |
| kaolbrec | I don't believe that ubuntu has a ready-boost feature. | 14:24 |
| ubuXubu | hmmm | 14:24 |
| ubuXubu | so then when i go back to windows i wonder if it allahas to be reset again? | 14:24 |
| ubuXubu | all has* | 14:25 |
| kaolbrec | It's likely. I haven't used ready-boost though. | 14:25 |
| kaolbrec | Put it this way: I highly doubt Windows permanently renders that USB stick ONLY capable of being used for Ready Boost. | 14:25 |
| ubuXubu | ill tell u..i have only 1 gig of ram and its running awfully fast wit ha 4 gig boost | 14:25 |
| ubuXubu | maybe i wont make this machine a dual booter | 14:26 |
| ubuXubu | or maybe i can install buntu as wubi? | 14:26 |
| kaolbrec | Well, depending on what DE you use, linux may be happy with 1GB ram. | 14:26 |
| ubuXubu | then it is running as a windows file? | 14:26 |
| kaolbrec | I've not used wubi so I couldn't say. | 14:26 |
| ubuXubu | yeah linux runs ok on a gig | 14:26 |
| ubuXubu | i have wubi in my laptop | 14:27 |
| kaolbrec | But emulating another OS on top of your existing OS is only going to add to RAM usage. | 14:27 |
| ubuXubu | runs great on 6 gigs of ddr3 | 14:27 |
| ubuXubu | wubu somehow installs ubuntu as a file but makes it look like u dual partitioned it | 14:27 |
| ubuXubu | so in essense ubuntu is running live inside windows as a file | 14:28 |
| ubuXubu | which makes it a lil slower but if u got lots of ram u really cant see the difference | 14:28 |
| ubuXubu | noone prolly knows | 14:29 |
| kaolbrec | haha | 14:30 |
| ubuXubu | it depends on if ubuntu is really running independently of windows | 14:30 |
| ubuXubu | i relaize on its own partition it would not use it as memory...but as wubi? | 14:30 |
| ubuXubu | a wubi ubuntu install is just like running a file installed in windows as far as i can tell | 14:31 |
| ubuXubu | its not on its own drive...its in windows c drive | 14:31 |
| ubuXubu | food for thought? | 14:31 |
| ubuXubu | or maybe the ubuntu team could create that for ubuntu....a ready boost feature!!! | 14:32 |
| kaolbrec | Well, I think you could format the USB drive as swap in ubuntu | 14:50 |
| kaolbrec | That might work. But I've no idea if it would use it. | 14:50 |
| rasgarath | a quick question: When i logged out, my desktop icons reset their positions. How can i prevent that? | 15:10 |
| autif | In Lucid (10.04 LTS), hibernation means that memory is swapped to swap partition or a hibernation file? If the file - where can I find this file? I could not find this - results were flooded with info about Ubuntu + Mac :P | 15:28 |
| kaolbrec | Uhm. Should be on a partition by default | 15:35 |
| kaolbrec | If you open disk manager (palimpset, I think), and take a gander at your OS disk | 15:35 |
| kaolbrec | It should show a swap partition | 15:36 |
| kaolbrec | autif, ^^ | 15:36 |
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| cheese | grr | 16:00 |
| cheese | anyone else tried syncinc up Opera between a windows/xubuntu dual-boot in 10.04? | 16:00 |
| cheese | (win7, opera 10.6) | 16:00 |
| cheese | was easy last time I did it, with opera 9 | 16:01 |
| cheese | just a million symlinks | 16:01 |
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| autif | yup - swap partition is there - but it is significantly smaller (=1GB) than the RAM (=3GB). So it must be storing the remaining somewhere in /var or something. Where is this configured? The kernel or somewhere in /etc? | 16:27 |
| Macuba | hi | 17:07 |
| richman | hi! | 17:25 |
| knome | !hi | richman | 17:25 |
| ubottu | richman: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay! | 17:25 |
| richman | just finished installing xubuntu 10.10 , I feel warm | 17:27 |
| richman | bb, need to reboot (on LiveCD right now) | 17:29 |
| rethus | how can i upgrade xubuntu from 10.04 to 10.10 ? | 19:03 |
| rethus | aptitude full-upgrade say: nothing to upgrade | 19:03 |
| Sysi | sudo update-manager -d | 19:06 |
| rethus | thanks a lot | 19:10 |
| Sysi | remember that updating can cause problems, and 10.04 is LTS | 19:11 |
| rethus | i Know, thanks. buts its only my laptop, so there are no importent data on it. | 19:15 |
| andai | Hi. Iḿ running from USB. are there any things i could do to speed this up | 20:46 |
| Sysi | get faster usb drive | 20:48 |
| andai | sigh | 20:54 |
| mark76 | ka boom tish | 20:55 |
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