[00:42] <kaolbrec> Ok, this channel is usually dead it would seem (checking my scrollback) but I got some questions.
[00:43] <kaolbrec> 1) How complete is ubuntu's support for ext4?
[00:43] <kaolbrec> 2) Does anyone else have trouble with ext4?
[00:43] <kaolbrec> 3) Does anyone else have issues with 1TB drives?
[00:43] <kaolbrec> "Issues" meaning disk access occasionally (but not always) making the OS lag like a bitch.
[00:44] <kaolbrec> And 12GB file transfers of mostly >100MB files taking 6 hours, disk to disk.
[00:44] <kaolbrec> Also the OS lag does not go away after disk access subsides. It requires a full reboot.
[00:46] <moetunes> ext4 is a kernel thing not an ubuntu thing and it works fine here
[00:47] <moetunes> did you make one huge 1tb partition?
[00:49] <kaolbrec> Yes, yes I did.
[00:49] <kaolbrec> Is that a problem?
[00:50] <moetunes> it might be seek times that are making it slow
[00:51] <kaolbrec> And the UI lag?
[00:51] <kaolbrec> The OS slows right down, and the OS is on another HDD.
[00:51] <kaolbrec> Right click menu on the desktop takes upward of 10s to appear
[00:52] <kaolbrec> Opening a terminal up to a minute before it's usable.
[01:00] <moetunes> is anything uing resources ? - top in terminal will tell
[01:16] <kaolbrec> moetunes, nope. I've experienced this problem a few times. Nothing out of the ordinary.
[01:17] <kaolbrec> It's rather irritating.
[01:18] <moetunes> my guess is it is trying to read from the beginning of the partition for os stuff while trying to write to the later part of the partition
[01:19] <moetunes> the boot filesystem check must take ages on the 1tb partition...
[01:21] <kaolbrec> no no - the OS is *not* on the 1TB drive
[01:21] <kaolbrec> It's storage only
[01:21] <kaolbrec> The OS is on a seperate 160GB HDD
[01:21] <kaolbrec> As is the grub
[01:22] <kaolbrec> the OS is on /dev/sdb and the 1TB drive is /dev/sdd
[01:22] <kaolbrec> Well, sdb1 and sdd1 but you know what I mean
[01:27] <moetunes> oh ok - sounds like hardware then if there's nothing taking up resources then
[01:27] <kaolbrec> Mrrmflrgle
[01:27] <kaolbrec> Thing is, exaile can play music off it all day long
[01:28] <kaolbrec> It just seems to be writes, but not all writes either.
[01:28] <kaolbrec> 30GB of music copied to it fine.
[01:28] <kaolbrec> And I didn't have to reboot afterward.
[01:28] <kaolbrec> It's a PITA
[01:28] <moetunes> maybe use hdparm to do some read write tests to check it
[01:28] <kaolbrec> I'm wondering if it's a BIOS issue
[01:28] <kaolbrec> Could do.
[01:28] <kaolbrec> Will that risk my data at all? (Just wondering)
[01:29] <kaolbrec> You mean a SMART test, right?
[01:29] <moetunes> here's a quick howto - http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Hdparm
[01:30] <kaolbrec> You use Arch?
[01:30] <moetunes> they have the best wiki imo
[01:30] <kaolbrec> I'd have to agree.
[01:30] <kaolbrec> Ubuntu's wiki is non-existant as far as I know.
[01:30] <moetunes> !wiki
[01:31] <kaolbrec> heh. Fine, whatever.
[01:31] <moetunes> heh :]
[01:31] <kaolbrec> That's more about ubuntu, the movement though.
[01:31] <kaolbrec> Less about ubuntu the OS. At least from the first page their.
[01:32] <kaolbrec> There are no links to suggest technical info.
[01:33] <kaolbrec> hrrm
[01:34] <kaolbrec> did read spead, that was good
[01:34] <kaolbrec> 139.61 MB/sec
[01:34] <kaolbrec> Write is the issue though, so next step
[01:34] <moetunes> sounds good
[01:35] <kaolbrec> Copied the line into terminal, heard disc move
[01:35] <kaolbrec> Now have OS lag
[01:36] <kaolbrec> 10.3 MB/s from that
[01:36] <kaolbrec> Write time should be more like 30/40, right?
[01:36] <kaolbrec> speed even
[01:37] <kaolbrec> yayy
[01:37] <kaolbrec> Gonna have to reboot XD
[01:37] <kaolbrec> cursor is still lagging
[01:37] <kaolbrec> hrrm
[01:37] <kaolbrec> Terminal started quickly though
[01:37] <moetunes> seems like write speed is the issue then
[01:37] <kaolbrec> yah
[01:38] <kaolbrec> This is the interesting thing though
[01:38] <kaolbrec> The entire OS slows down afterward
[01:38] <kaolbrec> I just did apt-get install htop
[01:38] <kaolbrec> And it's taking forever at "reading database"
[01:39] <kaolbrec> The apt-cache or wherever the database is, is on another HDD
[01:39] <kaolbrec> This is why I suspect a more general problem
[01:39] <kaolbrec> It's still reading database, btw
[01:40] <kaolbrec> It may be that my bios doesn't properly support 1TB drives.
[01:40] <kaolbrec> I'll have to check for an update
[01:40] <kaolbrec> I do rather hope that the disc isn't a dud
[01:41] <moetunes> it could be anything - bad cable even
[01:42] <kaolbrec> That's a point.
[01:42] <kaolbrec> Computers are so annoying.
[01:42] <kaolbrec> I love them, but it's hard love goddamn it.
[01:42] <moetunes> only when they don't work right
[01:42] <kaolbrec> If they were simple, I wouldn't love them though.
[01:43] <kaolbrec> Mmkay, htop is installed
[01:43] <kaolbrec> Load avg is 1.05, 1.23, 0.86
[01:43] <kaolbrec> That's a little high, isn't it?
[01:43] <kaolbrec> Should be under .5 iirc
[01:44] <kaolbrec> Or maybe I'm full of shit
[01:44] <bazhang> kaolbrec, language please
[01:44] <kaolbrec> Sorry
[01:44] <kaolbrec> Mem usage is 750MB
[01:44] <kaolbrec> I guess that could be firefox, but that's only three tabs
[01:46] <moetunes> or with the slow write speed alot is getting buffered to memory
[01:46] <kaolbrec> Could be
[01:46] <kaolbrec> It seems to be clearing, slowly.
[01:47] <moetunes> in top hit shift+> to view what is using memory
[01:48] <kaolbrec> X is using 1.7%
[01:48] <kaolbrec> Closely followed by dropbox at 1.2
[01:48] <kaolbrec> A lot of dropbox processes, in fact
[01:48] <kaolbrec> But they'll have been running since logon
[01:48] <kaolbrec> And it's only just started lagging
[01:49] <kaolbrec> closed dropbox, no difference
[01:57] <kaolbrec> I rebooted. The lag was driving me insane.
[02:01] <kaolbrec> Ah well. I'll persevere for a while. Then I'll probably end up trying Arch to see if the problem is OS related.
[07:13] <autif> In Lucid (10.04 LTS), hibernation means that memory is swapped to swap partition or a hibernation file? If the file - where can I find this file? I could not find this - results were flooded with info about Ubuntu + Mac :P
[07:17] <autif> going to sleep now, will check back for answers in the archives. Please do reply if you know. Thanks!
[12:19] <Darkpaper> Hey there :) I'm pretty much a newbie with Linux techniques but have been using Ubuntu for quite a while. I just installed Xubuntu 10.04 on an older laptop but i can't get a connection to my ethernet with my Realtek RTL8139 card. Any suggestions for this common problem?
[12:19] <Darkpaper> Just for info: Juggling with several Google proposals didnt help, most threads of this topic seem not to be solved yet :(
[14:23] <ubuXubu> i have a flash drive i installed as additional memory using w7's ready boost feature. what will happen if i boot into xubuntu? will that flash memory still be used as memory or just become a flash drive(storage drive) again?
[14:24] <kaolbrec> The latter, as far as I know.
[14:24] <kaolbrec> I don't believe that ubuntu has a ready-boost feature.
[14:24] <ubuXubu> hmmm
[14:24] <ubuXubu> so then when i go back to windows i wonder if it allahas to be reset again?
[14:25] <ubuXubu> all has*
[14:25] <kaolbrec> It's likely. I haven't used ready-boost though.
[14:25] <kaolbrec> Put it this way: I highly doubt Windows permanently renders that USB stick ONLY capable of being used for Ready Boost.
[14:25] <ubuXubu> ill tell u..i have only 1 gig of ram and its running awfully fast wit ha 4 gig boost
[14:26] <ubuXubu> maybe i wont make this machine a dual booter
[14:26] <ubuXubu> or maybe i can install buntu as wubi?
[14:26] <kaolbrec> Well, depending on what DE you use, linux may be happy with 1GB ram.
[14:26] <ubuXubu> then it is running as a windows file?
[14:26] <kaolbrec> I've not used wubi so I couldn't say.
[14:26] <ubuXubu> yeah linux runs ok on a gig
[14:27] <ubuXubu> i have wubi in my laptop
[14:27] <kaolbrec> But emulating another OS on top of your existing OS is only going to add to RAM usage.
[14:27] <ubuXubu> runs great on 6 gigs of ddr3
[14:27] <ubuXubu> wubu somehow installs ubuntu as a file but makes it look like u dual partitioned it
[14:28] <ubuXubu> so in essense ubuntu is running live inside windows as a file
[14:28] <ubuXubu> which makes it a lil slower but if u got lots of ram u really cant see the difference
[14:29] <ubuXubu> noone prolly knows
[14:30] <kaolbrec> haha
[14:30] <ubuXubu> it depends on if ubuntu is really running independently of windows
[14:30] <ubuXubu> i relaize on its own partition it would not use it as memory...but as wubi?
[14:31] <ubuXubu> a wubi ubuntu install is just like running a file installed in windows as far as i can tell
[14:31] <ubuXubu> its not on its own drive...its in windows c drive
[14:31] <ubuXubu> food for thought?
[14:32] <ubuXubu> or maybe the ubuntu team could create that for ubuntu....a ready boost feature!!!
[14:50] <kaolbrec> Well, I think you could format the USB drive as swap in ubuntu
[14:50] <kaolbrec> That might work. But I've no idea if it would use it.
[15:10] <rasgarath> a quick question: When i logged out, my desktop icons reset their positions. How can i prevent that?
[15:28] <autif> In Lucid (10.04 LTS), hibernation means that memory is swapped to swap partition or a hibernation file? If the file - where can I find this file? I could not find this - results were flooded with info about Ubuntu + Mac :P
[15:35] <kaolbrec> Uhm. Should be on a partition by default
[15:35] <kaolbrec> If you open disk manager (palimpset, I think), and take a gander at your OS disk
[15:36] <kaolbrec> It should show a swap partition
[15:36] <kaolbrec> autif, ^^
[16:00] <cheese> grr
[16:00] <cheese> anyone else tried syncinc up Opera between a windows/xubuntu dual-boot in 10.04?
[16:00] <cheese> (win7, opera 10.6)
[16:01] <cheese> was easy last time I did it, with opera 9
[16:01] <cheese> just a million symlinks
[16:27] <autif> yup - swap partition is there - but it is significantly smaller (=1GB) than the RAM (=3GB). So it must be storing the remaining somewhere in /var or something. Where is this configured? The kernel or somewhere in /etc?
[17:07] <Macuba> hi
[17:25] <richman> hi!
[17:25] <knome> !hi | richman
[17:27] <richman> just finished installing xubuntu 10.10 , I feel warm
[17:29] <richman> bb, need to reboot (on LiveCD right now)
[19:03] <rethus> how can i upgrade xubuntu from 10.04 to 10.10 ?
[19:03] <rethus> aptitude full-upgrade say: nothing to upgrade
[19:06] <Sysi> sudo update-manager -d
[19:10] <rethus> thanks a lot
[19:11] <Sysi> remember that updating can cause problems, and 10.04 is LTS
[19:15] <rethus> i Know, thanks. buts its only my laptop, so there are no importent data on it.
[20:46] <andai> Hi. Iḿ running from USB. are there any things i could do to speed this up
[20:48] <Sysi> get faster usb drive
[20:54] <andai> sigh
[20:55] <mark76> ka boom tish