[00:42] Ok, this channel is usually dead it would seem (checking my scrollback) but I got some questions. [00:43] 1) How complete is ubuntu's support for ext4? [00:43] 2) Does anyone else have trouble with ext4? [00:43] 3) Does anyone else have issues with 1TB drives? [00:43] "Issues" meaning disk access occasionally (but not always) making the OS lag like a bitch. [00:44] And 12GB file transfers of mostly >100MB files taking 6 hours, disk to disk. [00:44] Also the OS lag does not go away after disk access subsides. It requires a full reboot. [00:46] ext4 is a kernel thing not an ubuntu thing and it works fine here [00:47] did you make one huge 1tb partition? [00:49] Yes, yes I did. [00:49] Is that a problem? [00:50] it might be seek times that are making it slow [00:51] And the UI lag? [00:51] The OS slows right down, and the OS is on another HDD. [00:51] Right click menu on the desktop takes upward of 10s to appear [00:52] Opening a terminal up to a minute before it's usable. [01:00] is anything uing resources ? - top in terminal will tell [01:16] moetunes, nope. I've experienced this problem a few times. Nothing out of the ordinary. [01:17] It's rather irritating. [01:18] my guess is it is trying to read from the beginning of the partition for os stuff while trying to write to the later part of the partition [01:19] the boot filesystem check must take ages on the 1tb partition... [01:21] no no - the OS is *not* on the 1TB drive [01:21] It's storage only [01:21] The OS is on a seperate 160GB HDD [01:21] As is the grub [01:22] the OS is on /dev/sdb and the 1TB drive is /dev/sdd [01:22] Well, sdb1 and sdd1 but you know what I mean [01:27] oh ok - sounds like hardware then if there's nothing taking up resources then [01:27] Mrrmflrgle [01:27] Thing is, exaile can play music off it all day long [01:28] It just seems to be writes, but not all writes either. [01:28] 30GB of music copied to it fine. [01:28] And I didn't have to reboot afterward. [01:28] It's a PITA [01:28] maybe use hdparm to do some read write tests to check it [01:28] I'm wondering if it's a BIOS issue [01:28] Could do. [01:28] Will that risk my data at all? (Just wondering) [01:29] You mean a SMART test, right? [01:29] here's a quick howto - http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Hdparm [01:30] You use Arch? [01:30] they have the best wiki imo [01:30] I'd have to agree. [01:30] Ubuntu's wiki is non-existant as far as I know. [01:30] !wiki [01:30] http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation. [01:31] heh. Fine, whatever. [01:31] heh :] [01:31] That's more about ubuntu, the movement though. [01:31] Less about ubuntu the OS. At least from the first page their. [01:32] There are no links to suggest technical info. [01:33] hrrm [01:34] did read spead, that was good [01:34] 139.61 MB/sec [01:34] Write is the issue though, so next step [01:34] sounds good [01:35] Copied the line into terminal, heard disc move [01:35] Now have OS lag [01:36] 10.3 MB/s from that [01:36] Write time should be more like 30/40, right? [01:36] speed even [01:37] yayy [01:37] Gonna have to reboot XD [01:37] cursor is still lagging [01:37] hrrm [01:37] Terminal started quickly though [01:37] seems like write speed is the issue then [01:37] yah [01:38] This is the interesting thing though [01:38] The entire OS slows down afterward [01:38] I just did apt-get install htop [01:38] And it's taking forever at "reading database" [01:39] The apt-cache or wherever the database is, is on another HDD [01:39] This is why I suspect a more general problem [01:39] It's still reading database, btw [01:40] It may be that my bios doesn't properly support 1TB drives. [01:40] I'll have to check for an update [01:40] I do rather hope that the disc isn't a dud [01:41] it could be anything - bad cable even [01:42] That's a point. [01:42] Computers are so annoying. [01:42] I love them, but it's hard love goddamn it. [01:42] only when they don't work right [01:42] If they were simple, I wouldn't love them though. [01:43] Mmkay, htop is installed [01:43] Load avg is 1.05, 1.23, 0.86 [01:43] That's a little high, isn't it? [01:43] Should be under .5 iirc [01:44] Or maybe I'm full of shit [01:44] kaolbrec, language please [01:44] Sorry [01:44] Mem usage is 750MB [01:44] I guess that could be firefox, but that's only three tabs [01:46] or with the slow write speed alot is getting buffered to memory [01:46] Could be [01:46] It seems to be clearing, slowly. [01:47] in top hit shift+> to view what is using memory [01:48] X is using 1.7% [01:48] Closely followed by dropbox at 1.2 [01:48] A lot of dropbox processes, in fact [01:48] But they'll have been running since logon [01:48] And it's only just started lagging [01:49] closed dropbox, no difference [01:57] I rebooted. The lag was driving me insane. === kancerman_ is now known as kancerman [02:01] Ah well. I'll persevere for a while. Then I'll probably end up trying Arch to see if the problem is OS related. === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [07:13] In Lucid (10.04 LTS), hibernation means that memory is swapped to swap partition or a hibernation file? If the file - where can I find this file? I could not find this - results were flooded with info about Ubuntu + Mac :P [07:17] going to sleep now, will check back for answers in the archives. Please do reply if you know. Thanks! [12:19] Hey there :) I'm pretty much a newbie with Linux techniques but have been using Ubuntu for quite a while. I just installed Xubuntu 10.04 on an older laptop but i can't get a connection to my ethernet with my Realtek RTL8139 card. Any suggestions for this common problem? [12:19] Just for info: Juggling with several Google proposals didnt help, most threads of this topic seem not to be solved yet :( [14:23] i have a flash drive i installed as additional memory using w7's ready boost feature. what will happen if i boot into xubuntu? will that flash memory still be used as memory or just become a flash drive(storage drive) again? [14:24] The latter, as far as I know. [14:24] I don't believe that ubuntu has a ready-boost feature. [14:24] hmmm [14:24] so then when i go back to windows i wonder if it allahas to be reset again? [14:25] all has* [14:25] It's likely. I haven't used ready-boost though. [14:25] Put it this way: I highly doubt Windows permanently renders that USB stick ONLY capable of being used for Ready Boost. [14:25] ill tell u..i have only 1 gig of ram and its running awfully fast wit ha 4 gig boost [14:26] maybe i wont make this machine a dual booter [14:26] or maybe i can install buntu as wubi? [14:26] Well, depending on what DE you use, linux may be happy with 1GB ram. [14:26] then it is running as a windows file? [14:26] I've not used wubi so I couldn't say. [14:26] yeah linux runs ok on a gig [14:27] i have wubi in my laptop [14:27] But emulating another OS on top of your existing OS is only going to add to RAM usage. [14:27] runs great on 6 gigs of ddr3 [14:27] wubu somehow installs ubuntu as a file but makes it look like u dual partitioned it [14:28] so in essense ubuntu is running live inside windows as a file [14:28] which makes it a lil slower but if u got lots of ram u really cant see the difference [14:29] noone prolly knows [14:30] haha [14:30] it depends on if ubuntu is really running independently of windows [14:30] i relaize on its own partition it would not use it as memory...but as wubi? [14:31] a wubi ubuntu install is just like running a file installed in windows as far as i can tell [14:31] its not on its own drive...its in windows c drive [14:31] food for thought? [14:32] or maybe the ubuntu team could create that for ubuntu....a ready boost feature!!! [14:50] Well, I think you could format the USB drive as swap in ubuntu [14:50] That might work. But I've no idea if it would use it. [15:10] a quick question: When i logged out, my desktop icons reset their positions. How can i prevent that? [15:28] In Lucid (10.04 LTS), hibernation means that memory is swapped to swap partition or a hibernation file? If the file - where can I find this file? I could not find this - results were flooded with info about Ubuntu + Mac :P [15:35] Uhm. Should be on a partition by default [15:35] If you open disk manager (palimpset, I think), and take a gander at your OS disk [15:36] It should show a swap partition [15:36] autif, ^^ === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [16:00] grr [16:00] anyone else tried syncinc up Opera between a windows/xubuntu dual-boot in 10.04? [16:00] (win7, opera 10.6) [16:01] was easy last time I did it, with opera 9 [16:01] just a million symlinks === niccos is now known as FireTalon [16:27] yup - swap partition is there - but it is significantly smaller (=1GB) than the RAM (=3GB). So it must be storing the remaining somewhere in /var or something. Where is this configured? The kernel or somewhere in /etc? [17:07] hi [17:25] hi! [17:25] !hi | richman [17:25] richman: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay! [17:27] just finished installing xubuntu 10.10 , I feel warm [17:29] bb, need to reboot (on LiveCD right now) [19:03] how can i upgrade xubuntu from 10.04 to 10.10 ? [19:03] aptitude full-upgrade say: nothing to upgrade [19:06] sudo update-manager -d [19:10] thanks a lot [19:11] remember that updating can cause problems, and 10.04 is LTS [19:15] i Know, thanks. buts its only my laptop, so there are no importent data on it. [20:46] Hi. Iḿ running from USB. are there any things i could do to speed this up [20:48] get faster usb drive [20:54] sigh [20:55] ka boom tish