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hydrozii_oh nvrmind ive decided to go with a different music player00:05
hydroziijust beat my dads computer in a startup race with my AMD sempron vs. his Intel I-501:14
hydroziilubuntu is so fast XD01:14
phillwlol01:30
hydroziidid you guys know that windows 7 takes up like 1.4 GB of RAM when idle01:34
hydroziiits crazy01:34
hydroziiwhat are the improvements of 10.10 over 10.04? is 10.10 pretty stable now?01:39
lenWhy can't I remove penguin games without removing "lubuntu desktop" along with it?  Why does the package "lubuntu desktop" depend on the "ace of penguins" package?!01:47
hydroziiyah i was wondering that too.. all of the default packages say they depend on lubuntu desktop but i removed one and it had no negative effects01:49
hydroziiso i would just not worry about it01:49
lenYou removed lubuntu desktop and didn't have any problems?01:49
phillwhydrozii:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseNotes/MaverickMeerkat01:50
phillwlen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/RemoveLubuntuDesktop01:50
lenThanks.   So it's ok to remove, but should be added back before doing a version upgrade?  ie. 11.0401:52
lenI hope I remember.  Or else I won't get any new programs added to the default for the next version when I upgrade.  I assume that would be the result.01:55
lenHmm, I just noticed that 10.10 just dropped support for VIA C3.  That sucks.  I have serveral old low watt 1ghz c3 machines what would run quite well with Lubuntu.  :(02:00
phillwlen: that is why 10.04 is going to continue to be supported :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#10.0402:02
lenSo, up to date lubuntu desktop/LXDE will continue to be compiled for 10.4 in parallel with the Lubuntu-current?02:45
lenI have a feeling my nehemiah core C3 will continune to work because it has the missing 686 instruction the other c3's are missing.  I assume the drop in c3 support is due to switch to compiling for 686.02:48
phillwlen: the team has commitred to support i58602:49
phillw*committed*02:49
phillwlen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#10.0402:50
phillwlen: yes, Julien has given a committment to continue back porting, as has pcman.02:51
lenGreat, I was a afraid it would just be bug fixes that you usually get for a lts.02:52
andaiI killed the panel so now alt+f2 works and i can´t start the panel02:52
phillwlen: we had a chat on the mailing list, and I can assure you that 10.04 will continue to be supported. I've spent the evening getting the documentation all re-done02:52
andai*alt-f2 doesn´t work02:53
len:) All is good then, I guess.  I suppose i586 is not so important for gnome/kde since they run too slowly in the older procesors anyway, but Lubuntu is whole different story.  I'm still shocked at how well it runs on "junk" hardware.02:54
lenThat was what Xbuntu was supposed to be for, but it doesn02:56
lendeliver like lxde02:57
lenThe xbuntu project must be feeling the heat now :)02:57
lenThey are kind of in no-man's-land.02:58
head_victimI think they're more aimed at just a quicker gui than gnome, not necessarily at old hardware.02:58
hydroziiwhat is the name of the file manager in lubuntu.. that i can use to open it from a terminal04:02
JoeMaverickSetthydrozii: pcmanfm04:03
hydroziithanks!04:06
hyperairthere's always xdg-open04:06
stlsaintJoeMaverickSett: hey man04:08
JoeMaverickSetthello, stlsaint. :)04:13
JoeMaverickSettyo, hyperair. :)04:13
hyperairwell hello04:13
JoeMaverickSetthyperair: how do you do?04:13
JoeMaverickSett:D04:13
hyperairfine thank you =)04:13
* JoeMaverickSett goes back to watching TV. :D04:15
benjrmy google skills may just be lacking but how does lubuntu compare performance wise to some of these unoffical trimmed down versions of windows xp?09:41
benjrstock xp has lower requirements then lubuntu, but i know better then to base my decision on those09:41
hyperairit's very much better.09:42
hyperairi believe the requirements you see are for the livecd interface09:42
hyperairfailing to meet those requirements means you need to ues the alternate installer, which is similar to windows xp's installation cd09:42
hyperairthe menu/text-based interface, i eman09:43
benjrmy pc meets the minimum requirements, but i know from past experience that just meeting them doesnt guarentee a smooth user experince09:43
slooksterpsvlike Windows FLP? - always have at least 1 1/2 times more ram than the minimum requirements09:44
benjrwould you say id see a performance increase over xp on a 1.6ghz 256mb ram?09:45
benjrim getting the laptop for free because the current owners are going insane trying to use it with xp, its so slow09:46
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head_victimbenjr: it's hard to compare an operating system that well over 5 years old with one that is cutting edge.09:53
head_victim+is09:53
head_victimI can find a version of windows 3.1 that will go great on your machine if all your after is speed.09:54
hydroziiyou could go with gentoo or arch?09:55
head_victimI'm using lubuntu on a 2.4 celeron cpu here with xchat, skype and mans all running and only using 256 mb ram though if that helps for performance.09:55
benjrmy requirements arnt cutting edge, 90% of its sue will be: web browser (with flash), music player (for streaming radio), and irc/msn/icq etc09:56
head_victimShould be fine, the only thing you might look into is if you can get up to 512mb of ram cheaply or not. That may assist if you want to do multiple things at once but it will still function with only 25609:56
benjrhydrozii: i came across those 2 distros while googling the topic, but thjey seem too advanced for me09:56
hydroziiyah they are pretty advanced im using lubuntu till i build up the courage and knowledge to use arch09:57
slooksterpsvpuppy Linux =D09:57
hydroziiyah im pretty sure you could get 512mb of ram pretty cheap09:58
bioterrorlets keep discussions on offtopic09:58
hyperairhydrozii: gentoo and arch aren't really all that fast, you know.09:58
hyperairthose 0.1 millisecs faster webpage loads don't mean shit.09:59
bioterrorhmmm09:59
bioterrorhe guys, join #lubuntu-offtopic09:59
bioterrorand ill join the conversation09:59
hydroziibut they are like as light as you can possibly get right?09:59
bioterrorlets keep this channel for helping people out09:59
hyperairhydrozii: not really.09:59
benjrsorry bioterror09:59
hydroziii understand once you have a de and other things installed you wont have much speed over lubuntu10:00
hyperairhydrozii: they're no lighter than ubuntu server edition.10:00
hyperairbenjr: so anyway, lubuntu will perform faster than XP on that machine.10:00
benjryea sorry for binring up xp in here10:01
benjrbringing*10:01
hyperairyou did nothing wrong10:01
hydroziihow much ram space do you save just running openbox without the de?10:01
* hyperair shrugs10:01
hyperairwhy don't you go measure10:01
hydroziiyah sorry10:01
hyperairi kinda like proper power management and disk management though.10:01
bioterrori got 66mb ram usage with arch + wmaker10:02
hydroziiyah but my computer has alot of trouble playing hd video10:02
hydroziiworks alot better when i just run openbox10:02
bioterrorusing wicd and gnome-power-manager10:02
slooksterpsvas a continuation to my comment, Lubuntu may not be completely slimmed down as people would like it to be, granted its a whole lot better than Xubuntu, but some cases it may be better to look into other variants like Puppy Linux (uses Ubuntu as its core) or other distros like Tiny Core10:02
hydroziiyah ive heard good things about puppy linux10:03
hyperairslooksterpsv: lubuntu is meant to be a fully-featured, fast linux desktop for tiny systems.10:03
slooksterpsvLubuntu is still, in my opinion, more complete than puppy, as it seems geared more towards mainstream low-end or old arch, rather than completely out-dated10:03
hydrozii66mb is pretty frikken low10:03
slooksterpsvhydrozii: I'd run a file server with that much ram :P10:04
hyperairslooksterpsv: the kind of slimming down you're talking about is dropping features and dropping to a terminal every time you want to mount something.10:04
hydroziiwell that makes it even more fun10:05
slooksterpsvtrue, but Lubuntu is still slimmer than Xubuntu, but only because it's not using a lot of gnome services in the bg10:05
hyperairactually you'll be surprised how many gnome services lubuntu uses =)10:05
benjri dont mean to turn this into a linux tutorial, but tell if i have this right, different distros are just different collections of other peoples packages rolled into a whole system?10:05
slooksterpsvnot but only because, I meant one of the reasons is10:05
hyperairbenjr: bingo.10:05
hyperairbenjr: that's why they're called "distributions"10:05
hyperairbenjr: there are distro-specific changes as well.10:06
benjrthe distro itself, havnt actually coded much themselves?10:06
hyperairnot much10:06
hyperairsome more than others10:06
hyperairwell, package maintainers also contribute back upstraem10:06
hyperairbasically we come up with patches for bugfixes, and put the code back upstream10:06
hyperairor new features even, for example10:06
benjrso a better approach to finding a suitable distro could be to seeing what packages i want to have, and then see which distros include those?10:07
slooksterpsvhyperair: meh I'm not sure how to phrase what i mean so I'm gonna hit the hay10:07
hyperairslooksterpsv: please do before you start claiming that ubuntu server edition is what lubuntu should be.10:07
hyperair=p10:07
slooksterpsvbenjr: that would work, my personal preference is how easy is it to resolve dependencies10:07
slooksterpsvhyperair: it should be though :P jk10:07
hyperairlol10:07
hydroziiim pretty sure arch and gentoo allow you to chose exactly what packages you want10:08
slooksterpsvhyperair: someone told me Lubuntu didn't contain gnome libraries in it oh... libraries not services10:08
hyperairbenjr: the heart of every distribution is its package manager.10:08
hydroziitheir whole philosophy is like not putting anything on your computer that you didnt ask for10:08
hyperairbenjr: i choose my distro based on their focus, and their package manager.10:08
hyperairbenjr: apt-get/dpkg is pretty much the best out there10:08
hyperairand *buntu are distros which put focus on usability.10:09
hyperairhydrozii: actually.. arch's package manager has no package-splitting.10:09
hyperairhydrozii: which means when you install a package, all the rubbish comes with it10:09
hyperairincluding the stuff that goes into -dev10:09
hydroziioh but gentoo does right?10:10
hyperairheaders, developer documentation, and stuff.10:10
benjrhydrozii: i had a feeling arch and gentoo were like that, thats a bit too much work for me, i dont want to have to explicatly tell it to install the package for creating directories, mounting, etc10:10
hyperairhydrozii: i think gentoo is pretty much the same, being  a source-based distro10:10
hydroziiyah i understand you im the same way10:10
hyperairbenjr: users also pick their distro based on stuff like.. availability of commercial packages.10:11
hyperairlike flash has .debs10:11
hyperairand skype10:11
hyperairand opera10:11
hyperairand canon printer drivers10:11
benjroh yea, my browser of choice is opera10:11
hydroziiwhy?10:11
hyperairguys, let's not turn this into a browser-war10:12
hydroziino i just want to know his reasons?10:12
benjrim used to its interface/features, been suing it for about 6 years, i could make firefox do the same thing but with all the addons it just becomes a hassle10:12
hyperairand chrome?10:12
hydroziioh10:12
hydroziiyah ive looked at stats and chrome seems to be that fastest everywhere ive looked10:12
hyperairyeah10:13
hyperairit's just a little harsh on memory consumption10:13
hyperairbut now that i have 4G of RAM... \o/ chromium!10:13
benjrthe speed difference are negliable to me, and hwo i use the browers, it all comes down to the UI for me10:13
hyperairi'm sure you'll be singing a different tune when you see chrome's speed.10:14
hydroziiyah chrome is pretty nice10:14
benjranyway, since opera sint opensource, what does that mean for my choice of distro/package manager?10:14
hydroziiim pretty sure it wouldnt be a problem if you chose a buntu distro10:15
hydroziiyoud just have to go to their website and download it if they support linux10:16
benjrive had brief expose to ubuntu before and opera worked ok on there10:16
benjrcan i get all the same packages on lubuntu that are availabale for ubuntu?10:16
hydroziii think so..10:17
hydroziilubuntu works perfectly for me10:17
hydroziibut ive only used it for a day so far10:17
benjrim just wondering if i install lubuntu will i have to learn to use a bunch of different applications, or can i install my personal favourites on there10:18
hydroziiim pretty sure you can use your personal favourites10:18
hydroziiall the same applications i used in ubuntu work fine in lubuntu10:19
hydroziiwork better actually10:19
bioterrorhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=calculate_gentoo_benchmarks&num=210:22
bioterrorI promised to join conversation10:23
bioterror(I was eating my lunch in my car last time I spoke with you ;)10:23
bioterrorahhh10:31
bioterrorhydrozii, Mon12:22 <bioterror> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=calculate_gentoo_benchmarks&num=210:31
hydroziianyone know how i could downgrade back to 10.04?10:33
bioterrorwith clean install10:33
hydroziiyes but is there a way to do it with out haveingt to start over?10:33
bioterrorimpossible10:34
hydroziiokay10:34
bioterrorbecouse of dependencies10:34
hydroziiwell i cant get autologin to work  in 101010:34
hydroziiit worked fine in 100410:34
bioterrorhmmm10:35
bioterroryou've edited the file?10:35
hydroziioh yah forgot about that10:35
hydroziiwhich file was it again?10:35
bioterror/etc/lxdm/default.conf10:36
hydrozii/etc/xdg/lubuntu/lxdm/lxdm.conf10:36
hydroziiaww you beat me10:36
bioterroryeah10:36
bioterrorI had to google something10:36
bioterrorbecouse I'm at school10:36
hydroziihaha its like 5am for me10:36
hydroziiis your school liberal with the web filters? or have you gotten around them to use irc?10:37
hydroziihang on im gonna see if autologin works now10:39
bioterrordid it?10:40
hydroziiyes :)10:41
bioterror;)10:41
hydroziiaccording to system profiler it says im running ubuntu 10.10, im not sure but i think before i upgraded it said lubuntu10:42
bioterrorlubuntu ubuntu, what's the difference :D10:42
hydroziiyah i guess it doesnt matter10:42
benjrthanks for all your input, ive done a bit more googling and i think lubuntu is the right choice, i just gotta wait till i get home from work :)10:43
hydroziiso the little start button in lubuntu.. is there any way to make that look cooler?10:43
hydroziilubuntu is awesome10:43
benjrat the very least it'll be fun to try and use it, im a linux beginner, so even the installation seems exciting lol10:44
hydroziiyah ive been a beginner for a while lol10:44
hydroziiand i know what you mean10:44
bioterrorbenjr, now that you have chosen to use lubuntu, you might try other distributions and desktop environments, but I bet you will always come back to lubuntu10:45
benjrbioterror: probably out of fear of the unknown as much as any other reason :p10:55
benjrits taken me this many years to dare to move away from windows10:55
bioterroryou just have to take that step10:55
bioterrorit's a mental state in your mind, just like dropping alcohol or meat10:56
pip_I give the lubuntu alternate cd 10 out of 10 : )13:54
aaqsome one know if its safe to update lubuntu?14:08
aaq:)14:08
Shattered1Hi guys, can someone answer few questions? :D14:46
leszekhi15:14
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hblounthi. i had lubuntu installed on my old laptop. then i installed lubuntu on a usb drive using this old laptop with lubuntu already on it. i tested the lubuntu usb drive and it works (i am using it now) but now my laptop wont boot without the usb, it says some error and stays on black terminal screen.18:12
bioterrorwould be nice to know that error18:15
bioterrorhard to help when you dont tell us how to help18:15
hblountthe prompt says "grub recovery" or something like that18:16
nk_phillw?18:57
bioterrornk, may I help?18:57
nk_well maybe18:57
nk_do you know if its safe tu update lubuntu 10.1018:58
nk_?18:58
bioterroryes18:58
bioterrorI'm using 10.10 myself18:58
bioterrorand I yesterday upgraded my parents-in-laws laptop from 10.04 to 10.1018:59
nk_i have duall boot with win7 and the update have f'''' my win7 3 times18:59
bioterrorreally18:59
nk_well i all ready got 10.1018:59
bioterrorsudo apt-get install os-proper18:59
bioterrorrun that os-proper as root18:59
bioterrorand then sudo update-grub18:59
bioterrorproblem solved18:59
hblounthi. i have an old laptop with lubuntu installed. i used this laptop to create a lubuntu usb drive. i tried booting with usb drive and it works fine. i tried to reboot without usb, booting normal with laptop HDD. but it says: "error: no such device: ####-####-###" and "grub rescue>" prompt. can anyone help?19:04
bioterroryour grub is messed up19:06
bioterrorUUID might be wrong19:06
bioterrorwhen you installed that lubuntu on that usb drive, you told to install Grub on wrong device19:06
bioterrorprobably you installed it on sda instead of sdb19:07
bioterror!grub219:07
ubot5GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10.  For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub219:07
hblountyeah im noob19:07
bioterrorthat happens19:07
hblountcan i fix it?19:07
bioterrorofcourse19:08
bioterroreasiest way is to boot that your usb thingie19:08
bioterrorthen do chroot19:08
bioterrorand run grub-update19:09
bioterroror fix correct UUID by hand19:09
bioterroryour choise19:09
hblounthey so how do i chroot/grub-update?19:14
bioterrorhttp://www.debianhelp.org/node/1155819:16
nk_well19:17
nk_well19:17
bioterrorwell well19:17
nk_where is my win7 dvd?19:17
bioterrorI stole it19:17
bioterroryou dont need it anymore19:17
bioterroryou have lubuntu19:17
nk_hehe'19:17
nk_well if it ha been some easy way to acess windows shared folders19:17
bioterroroh look, your win7 cd is in a paper shredder19:18
bioterrorOEH NOES!19:18
bioterrorI today at school mounted windows partition and gave rm -rf windows :D19:18
bioterror(but then I installed an image of windows back which I had just made ;)19:19
nk_well i made love to my girlfriend19:19
bioterrordid you remember to wear condom19:19
nk_nope19:20
bioterroroeh noe!19:20
bioterrorIT'S TRAP!19:20
nk_i know19:20
dolphybioterror: is this link the easiest way to do this? i am noob.19:28
bioterroreasiest way is to mount your / (if you dont have separate /boot)19:28
bioterrorchecked your drives UUID with gparted and replace the UUID in grub.cfg with the correct one19:29
bioterrorcheck19:29
bioterroror you can just chroot and do the magic19:29
bioterroryour choise19:29
bioterrormaybe I would edit that file, try to boot after that19:30
bioterrorand do sudo update-grub ;)19:30
bioterrorif that works19:30
dolphydamn i dont know what you are talking about...sorry19:31
dolphythe first command on that link i tried and it said "vgchange: command not found"19:31
bioterrorboot that USB-drive19:32
bioterrorrun gparted19:32
dolphyhow do i run gparted19:32
bioterrorsudo apt-get install gparted19:32
dolphyok19:33
bioterroryou check your hard drive's UUID19:34
bioterroryou edit from your hard drive /boot/grub/grub.cfg19:34
bioterrorwith like gksudo leafpad /boot/grub/grub.cfg19:35
bioterrorand replace that wrong UUID with correct19:35
bioterrorhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UUID19:36
dolphyso "gksudo leafpad /boot/grub/grub.cfg" is what i type?19:36
bioterrory19:36
dolphyhow do i edit grub.cfg19:37
bioterrorMon21:36 <dolphy> so "gksudo leafpad /boot/grub/grub.cfg" is what i type?19:37
dolphyy=yes or why19:38
bioterrorda19:38
bioterror:D19:38
bioterrorI didnt include a question mark, did I?-)19:39
dolphyi did it and it said "(gksudo:1309): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"19:40
bioterroryou're not in graphical mode?19:40
dolphyno. sorry. i was doing what the link u gave me said. it said do "alt+del+f2" and it is in prompt19:41
dolphyhow do i go back? reboot?19:41
bioterrorwell19:41
bioterrorctrl + alt + f719:41
dolphyk19:41
bioterrorbut19:42
bioterrorhave you run that gparted19:42
bioterrorchecked that drives UUID19:42
dolphyi did sudo get apt install gparted19:44
dolphyhow do i run gparted19:44
bioterrordo you have any important files in your lubuntu installationw which you have on that hard drive you messed up?19:45
dolphyuh...kinda. so i should just format and reinstall?19:46
bioterrorit could be easier in this case...19:47
bioterroryou can check with du -h <directory>19:47
bioterrorhow much space your  files takes19:47
bioterrorand think if you can move them on the usb drive19:47
dolphywow.cant believe its that fukt up. i can still access hard drive files in file manager. can i hook up an external HDD and use while its in usb mode?19:48
bioterrorwell19:50
bioterrorit's not that fcuk uped19:50
bioterrorI think it's easier for you and me to give up, move the files and install lubuntu once again all over it19:51
bioterrorif you can move them19:51
dolphyi dont know. but it sure alot easier to install grub on usb than change it back so thats fucked up19:51
bioterrorwell19:52
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admin2hi all20:02
admin2First use of lubuntu20:02
bioterrorhow you like it as much as we do20:03
admin2Got this error trying to open an avi file : Échec à l'ouverture de VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory20:04
admin2Got this error trying to open an avi file20:05
bioterroryou're missing libvdpau for nvidia20:05
bioterrorwhat kind of graphics card you own?20:06
admin2works anyway, but i will give this computer to my mother ...20:06
bioterrorwith VDPAU you can watch 1080p files with your graphics card20:06
szczurrun gnome mplayer (Programs menu -> Audio and Video -> Gnome MPlayer)20:06
szczurchoose Edit -> Preferences20:06
bioterrorhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU20:06
szczurand on Playbeck tab (or something like that) set Video output to gl2 or xv20:07
szczurhi bioterror20:08
bioterrorhi szczur20:08
bioterrorszczur, do you have lot of energy?20:08
szczurerrr.. phew20:08
szczurhmm, for what?20:08
szczur:P20:08
bioterroryou can help hblount20:08
admin2Ok, yhx, will give it a try20:08
szczurhblount?20:08
bioterrorhe messed up his grub.cfg with lubuntu installation on usb drive20:08
szczurwhat is the problem?20:08
szczurwaaahhh, why why why :P20:09
szczurXD20:09
szczurhe can recreate grub.cfg by running the update-grub command20:10
hblounthi. how do i do that20:11
admin2Super, it works well now : thx <szczur> &  <bioterror>20:11
szczurhblount, boot your lubuntu installation20:12
hblountwith usb drive?20:12
bioterroroh true dat20:12
szczurand run "sudo update-grub" in terminal20:12
bioterror:D20:12
bioterroryou can boot hard drive :D20:12
szczurhblount, you have installed lubuntu on hard drive?20:12
bioterrorI didnt even think about that20:13
hblountyeah but cant boot from HDD20:13
bioterrorput your usb drive in :D20:13
hblountit is booted from usb right now20:13
szczurso you don'rt have lubuntu on HDD right now?20:13
bioterrorhe has20:13
hblounti do, but i cant boot from it.20:14
szczuror only GRUB is incapable of booting lubuntu?20:14
szczurdo you see a screen where you can choose your systems?20:14
bioterrorszczur, the grub on his /dev/sda got UUID of his USB drive20:14
hblounti installed lubuntu on usb drive and accidentally installed grub on it20:14
szczurahh20:14
szczurso grub is on the usb20:15
szczurbaaaad20:15
szczur:P20:15
szczurok, run sudo fdisk -l20:15
szczurand pastebin the results20:15
szczurpastebin.com20:15
szczurcopy and paste the output there20:16
szczurand give us the link20:16
szczurhblount, are you following me? :P20:17
szczurjust getting sure :)20:17
hblountok i try20:17
szczurok, step-by-step guide :P20:17
szczurrun lxterminal (program menu -> accessories -> LXTerminal)20:18
szczurin the terminal window run "sudo fdisk -l" (without the quotes)20:19
szczurcopy the output and paste it on that webpage sent by me and give us the link20:19
szczurvoila :)20:19
* szczur should write manpages20:19
hblountdo i have to give email and name/title?20:26
szczurno20:26
szczurhblount, and what's with that ouput?20:30
szczuri need to know your hard drive mapping to prevent making another mistake :)20:31
hblountsorry getting bitched at. pastebin.com/FzJehe2p20:34
szczurok, so i'm sure that sda is the hard drive :)20:41
hblountwhat is sda?20:41
hblountso can i fix?20:41
szczuryes, you always could20:43
szczuri wanted to check this20:43
szczursda is the first hard drive of your computer20:43
szczursdb is the second20:43
szczurok sooo20:43
szczurnow do everything slowly and report after any command you will execute :)20:44
hblountk20:44
szczuri don't want to have you desperated20:44
szczur:)20:44
szczursudo mkdir /ubu20:44
hblountk20:45
szczurmount -o bind /proc /ubu/proc20:45
szczurahh20:45
szczursudo mount -o bind /proc /ubu/proc20:45
szczursudo mount -o bind /dev /ubu/dev20:45
hblountso do the last 2 commands there?20:46
szczuryes20:46
hblountmount: mount point /ubu/proc does not exist20:47
kosaidpoguys i have dual boot so20:47
szczurit should work20:48
kosaidpohow can i add a anothe varient i wanna try fedora or achlinux20:48
bioterrorif you dont know how to do that, skip the arch20:48
szczursudo mkdir /ubu/proc20:48
szczursudo mkdir /ubu/dev20:48
hblountk20:49
szczurdone without errors?20:49
nozeshi20:49
nozeshttp://uploaddeimagens.com.br/imagem/ver/2010-10-25-173553_1280x1024_scrot.png20:49
szczurif yes then do20:50
szczurchroot /ubu /bin/bash20:50
szczurand you'll be using your system from hard drive20:50
hblountchroot: cannot change root directory to /ubu: Operation not permitted20:50
szczuranother step will be installing the GRUB bootloader20:50
szczurgaaah20:51
szczursomething went obviously wrong20:51
szczurrm -r /ubu20:51
szczurwait20:51
szczursudo umount /ubu/dev20:51
hblountdo i do sudo chroot /ubu /bin/bash?20:51
szczursudo umount /ubu/proc20:51
szczuryup20:51
szczuraahhh20:52
szczurwait20:52
szczurwhat a moron of me20:52
szczursorry20:52
szczuri'm sorry20:52
szczur:)20:52
hblountk20:52
szczursoo let's back to basics :)20:52
szczursudo umount /ubu/dev20:52
szczursudo umount /ubu/proc20:52
szczurrm -r /ubu20:52
szczuri forgot about one most needed thing :)20:53
szczurso retry :)20:53
szczurhblount, are you with me?20:53
hblountrm: descend into write-protected directory '/ubu'?20:53
szczurno20:53
szczurls /ubu20:54
szczurtell me what's there20:54
hblountdev proc20:54
szczurok20:54
szczursudo rm -r /ubu20:54
szczurnow it will work :)20:54
hblountk20:54
szczursudo mkdir /ubu20:55
hblountk20:55
szczursudo mount /dev/sda1 /ubu20:55
szczursudo mount -o bind /proc /ubu/proc20:56
hblountk20:56
szczursudo mount -o bind /dev /ubu/dev20:59
szczurand now :)20:59
szczurchroot /ubu /bin/bash20:59
szczurand it'll work :)20:59
szczurwait20:59
szczurdid you chrooted?21:00
hblountno21:00
szczursudo chroot /ubu /bin/bash21:00
hblountsudo chroot /ubu /bin/bash?21:00
hblountok21:00
hblountyeah21:00
hblountk21:01
szczurgrub-install --recheck --no-floppy /dev/sda21:01
szczurnow without sudo :)21:01
hblountinstallation finished. no error reported21:02
szczurnow reboot21:02
hblountwithout usb right?21:02
szczurckeck if the system wil boot from hard drive21:02
szczurright21:02
szczurwill*21:03
hblountdo i have to reinstall lubuntu on usb drive without grub?21:03
szczuryou can have grub there :)21:03
szczurit won't work properly21:03
szczurbut it does not inflict data on the drive21:04
szczuryou can use gparted to remove the grub if you want21:04
hblountso if i want grub on usb, it erases it from my HDD?21:05
bioterrorI just cant figure it how you managed to do that21:05
bioterrorbecouse last time I installed lubuntu on stick, it installed grub on that same usb stick21:06
hblounti installed ubuntu on usb and it was a wizard so it wasnt hard to mistakenly do it21:06
szczurhblount, that command run before21:07
szczurgrub-install21:07
szczurdoesn't remove grub wrom usb21:07
bioterrorthere's no grub on usb21:07
szczuryou have now two grubs21:07
bioterror:D21:07
hblountthanks SOOOO much szczur, it works perfect now21:07
bioterrorif I got it right21:07
szczurone on usb nd second (proper) on hdd21:07
bioterror?21:07
KurdistanI girls21:07
bioterrorI boys21:07
KurdistanI mean hey ;P21:07
szczurhblount, no problem :)21:07
hblountso should i just leave usb drive as it is? it wont mess up other computers if i boot with it?21:08
phillwhblount: It takes a bit of getting your head round, I have grub on my HDD, also on usb as it is 1st priority to boot in my BIOS.21:08
Kurdistanhblount do you have problem making bootable usb-pen?21:09
szczurhblount, if you will boot from this usb you will use the lubuntu i presume21:09
szczuryou can remove grub by formatting it with gparted21:10
hblountyeah. but if i boot it on a different computer will it mess it up?21:10
hblountwhat is the difference of having grub on usb vs not?21:10
szczurno, it won't mess up anything21:10
hblounti can just reinstall lubuntu on usb. theres nothing on usb except new lubuntu install21:11
phillwhblount: you cannot boot from the usb without grub on it.21:11
szczurphillw, you can21:11
szczurthat's the way liveusb works :)21:12
szczurit doesn't use the grub but syslinux, the same way as livecd21:12
hblountits better to have usb w/out grub right?21:12
Kurdistanhblount do you want to install lubuntu on usb21:13
phillwszczur: correct, I was just trying to explain, without too much detail that having grub on the usb will not 'mess things up' :)21:13
szczurbut if you have system INSTALLED (by using the lubuntu installer) on that usb then you need to use grub21:13
KurdistanI didnt understand your problem (came late).21:13
szczuractually it doesn't make a difference21:13
szczuryou can format it to get rid of GRUB21:13
szczuryou don't need it anymore21:13
Kurdistanszczur, yeah same here.21:13
hblountoh.whats the difference of having it installed on usb vs acting as a livecd?21:14
szczurKurdistan, ?21:14
Kurdistanthere is people that says they feel much faster boot-time after profiling.21:14
szczurhblount, you can install linux on USB to act as a normal system installed on HDD21:14
Kurdistanhaha szcur sorry my friend mixed windows. :) that I wrote should be on off-topic part.21:15
szczurif this is the case you can save your work and so on21:15
szczuracts as normal OS21:15
hblountoh.weird21:15
szczurif you will use liveusb creator21:15
szczuryou have livecd, but on usb :)21:15
szczurso yuo can't change anything21:15
KurdistanI prefer unetbootin21:16
szczurexcept making another partition on that drive and save data there21:16
szczurthe same way you can't change the content of CD-ROM21:16
hblountjust double checking: right now im on an old xp desktop. i can use the usb with lubuntu installed on this desktop and not affect xp or HDD or boot,etc?21:18
szczuryes21:20
hblountcool. hey can lubuntu run on desktop with 256mb ram?21:21
Kurdistanyes21:21
Kurdistanit can without any problem21:21
hblountcool21:22
Kurdistanyes lubuntu is really cool.21:22
hblountyeah i love it21:22
phillwhblount: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Intended%20Audience21:22
hblountk. g2g. thanks again szczur. bye!21:25
aaqXX22:19
szczurhi aaq22:20
aaqhalla22:20
aaqbioterror?22:34
bioterrorstill here22:34
aaqwoooooooooohhhhhha22:34
bioterrorabout to hit the bed, though22:34
aaqso what was the fix22:35
aaqfor win722:35
aaq:=22:35
bioterrorahhhh22:35
bioterrorsudo apt-get install os-prober22:35
aaqi can do that from live cd?22:35
bioterrorgotta do it bymyself too22:35
bioterrorwhy?22:36
bioterrorif you can boot to your lubuntu22:36
bioterrorofcourse you can do it, you just have to chroot22:36
aaqwell i have fixed win722:36
bioterrorsad157@dopethrone:~$ sudo os-prober22:36
bioterror/dev/sda1:Microsoft Windows XP Professional:Windows:chain22:36
bioterrorI just did it myself too :D22:36
aaqwell i am a noob so if u can tell me how or show me a place where i can read it i be glad22:38
bioterrorcan we start from the begin22:38
aaqglad22:38
bioterrorwhat's the situation now22:38
aaqno i cant boot lubuntu22:39
aaq;)22:39
bioterrorszczur, just instructed one guy22:39
bioterror!grub222:39
ubot5GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Ubuntu 9.10.  For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub222:39
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szczurgaah, i have to do it again? :P22:40
szczuraaq, can you boot your lubuntu?22:41
bioterrorhahahahahahaha22:41
szczurfrom hard disk?22:41
bioterrorI think he just installed windows 7 and lost gru22:41
bioterrorgrub22:41
szczuraaq, what's the problem22:41
aaqwell i had to try22:41
szczurmaybe we will begin from the start :)22:42
phillwaaq: if you lost your grub, head over to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=101470822:42
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aaqhyaha22:42
phillwthat covers the various scenarious when grub looses windows and windows looses grub.22:42
bioterrorhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling from LiveCD22:42
aaqdont you like me here?22:42
szczurohh, faster way :)22:43
szczurphillw, thanks pal :)22:43
phillwhiyas aaq, sorry, was just digging up the link for you. :)22:43
bioterroraaq, we like many people in here22:46
aaqD22:47
Rabbitbunnynewb question, is google chrome or lxde making that noise when I close a window, and how do I turn that off?22:51
bioterrorwhat noise? :D22:52
Rabbitbunnyit souds kinda like a glass marble hitting a steel plate, but muted... underwater?22:52
Rabbitbunnyoh, nvm, I closed another window outside of chrome, it didn't happen.22:54
RabbitbunnyAnyway, lxde is super awesome and thanks for packaging it and stuff guys.22:54
phillwRabbitbunny: tahnks for taking the time to say so; it really does it all seem worthwhile :)22:55
phillw*thanks*22:56
lenI'm having trouble getting a Thinkpad 600 to shutdown.  It closes everything down ok and "halts" the system, but I have to flip the on/off slider to actually turn it off.  I assume it has something to do with apci.  I've been trying different apci command line options in grub, but nothing seems to work.22:57
RabbitbunnyI've been smiling for longer than when I got my first electric bicycle :D22:58
bioterrorelectric bicycle?!22:58
bioterrorwhat's that?22:58
bioterrorbike for fatasses? :D22:58
RabbitbunnyWell, kinda22:58
bioterrorguy with two fixed gears cannot understand22:58
bioterrorpedaling makes me less fat :D22:59
bioterrorhttp://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7tjigo4uh1qac69yo1_500.jpg ;)22:59
RabbitbunnyIt's a hybrid type thing, the SUV of bikes. I commute/grocery in it. We can PM to maintain SNR if you want.22:59
szczurlen, please do23:00
szczursudo leafpad /etc/default/grub23:00
bioterrorRabbitbunny, http://www.larryvsharry.com/english/23:00
szczurand add acpi=force to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line23:01
Rabbitbunnybioterror: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velomobile23:01
bioterrorRabbitbunny, you own that kind of thing?23:02
Rabbitbunnymhmm.23:02
bioterror"cooool" ;)23:02
lenThat is what I am doing right now, lol.  I've already tried:  nolapci, noapci, apci=off, pci=noapci and none of those have worked.  Trying the force now.23:03
bioterrorlen, got the latest BIOS?23:04
szczurif you're disabling acpi then it's not weird that is is not working :P23:04
bioterrorhttp://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/DSHY-3VRJPK.html23:04
lenI mean I've been trying all kinds of combinations.  I'm doing =force by itself.23:05
bioterrorlen, check your bios version23:05
bioterrorif you're using 1.22, I would then suggest to try apm instead of acpi...23:05
lenProbably not the latest bios version.  I didn't want to mess with it if I didn't have to--this thing is so ancient23:06
bioterroryes it is23:06
bioterrorI used to have 560Z23:06
bioterror;)23:06
bioterrorbut first you should update your BIOS if it's outdate23:07
bioterrordated23:07
bioterrorif that doesnt help, then APM23:07
lenCan you swich to apm with out compiling your own kernel?23:08
bioterrorhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/SuspendHowto#Suspending to RAM (APM)23:09
bioterrordaaamn23:09
bioterroris my chrome broken or the ubuntu.com23:09
bioterrorI get broken urls23:09
bioterror:D23:10
phillwbioterror: chromium is a pain for it23:10
lenapci=force worked. :)  I'll go check my bios version now23:10
phillwhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/SuspendHowto#Suspending%20to%20RAM%20(APM)   Should give the link23:10
bioterrorUSE THE FORCE, LUKE! ;D23:11
bioterrorI love force23:11
lenAre there any downsides to using =force?  Does it effect any other part of apci other than at shutdown time?23:12
bioterroryou can you suspend and resume?23:12
lenI haven't tested it yet.23:14
aaqlol23:16
lenBIOS version is IBET54WW23:16
lenDated 9/18/9923:16
bioterrorit's the latest23:17
aaqphillw?23:17
lenThat's good.  I'll test the suspend/resume now.23:17
phillwaaq: you rang ?23:18
aaqyes i just wounder if it possible to have bouth win7 and lubuntu?23:18
bioterroryes it is23:18
bioterroraaq, easiest way is to install first windows 7, and then linux23:19
aaqyes yes23:19
aaqi have23:19
aaqwe have been here before and i am sry for that23:19
phillwaaq: yes, use the grub loader to choose which you want to boot into. If you put win on 2nd then win wipes out grub and you need to use that link I posted up earlier.23:19
lenThanks for all the help, and useful links guys.  This is one of the most helpfull, friendly and non-flame filled chatroom I've been in.23:20
aaqbut if i fix 1 thing the other gets broken23:20
phillwaaq: get win happily booting first, using that link, then put on grub223:20
phillwyour lubuntu area is quite safe.23:20
czzHello, how can i get rid of the workspaces icon on the toolbar?23:21
aaqi just did and now i only can boot in lubuntu23:21
bioterrorright click and remove desktop pager23:21
MonthOLDpickleyou mean the extra desktops square things? Right click and remove or settings23:21
aaqand if i fix that i only can boot in windows and so on23:22
czzbioterror, thanks23:22
bioterrorfinaly something that I knew and I could help!23:22
bioterror\o/23:22
aaq!!!23:22
phillwhmmmm... aaq, I'd ask on that thread that I posted; I'm now a bit rusty with grub2.23:22
aaqsry for this23:23
phillwand have never played with win7. I do know that there were some issues, but they should have been resolved quite a while back.23:23
phillwaaq: it's why we are here :)23:23
aaqwell it works if u install win7 and then lubuntu. but one of the linux img update break it23:24
aaqand i can resist updating23:25
aaq:(23:25
aaqcant23:25
phillwafter you install the update, go to lxterminal and issue the command23:25
phillwsudo update-grub23:25
phillwI've not come across a linux image causing a problem, but that will tell grub to go and double check everything before you reboot.23:26
aaqit dont say any thing about ntfs23:27
phillwyou should see it find the windows area and the lubuntu stuff as it checks.23:27
phillwit will simply say 'windows' as part of the text as it finds it.23:28
aaq2 linux img and mem test23:29
phillwaaq: you'd be best posting to that forum link I gave you, I'm sorry, I do not have experiance of win7 and grub2.23:30
aaqok23:30
aaqthanks for help23:31
aaq!!23:31
phillwtalsmesget is a really good guy, and will no doubt know what the problem is. The grub guru I know is not on-line atm, if you do not it working, come back and nag me :)23:31
aaq:)23:31
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