[00:05] <hydrozii_> oh nvrmind ive decided to go with a different music player
[01:14] <hydrozii> just beat my dads computer in a startup race with my AMD sempron vs. his Intel I-5
[01:14] <hydrozii> lubuntu is so fast XD
[01:30] <phillw> lol
[01:34] <hydrozii> did you guys know that windows 7 takes up like 1.4 GB of RAM when idle
[01:34] <hydrozii> its crazy
[01:39] <hydrozii> what are the improvements of 10.10 over 10.04? is 10.10 pretty stable now?
[01:47] <len> Why can't I remove penguin games without removing "lubuntu desktop" along with it?  Why does the package "lubuntu desktop" depend on the "ace of penguins" package?!
[01:49] <hydrozii> yah i was wondering that too.. all of the default packages say they depend on lubuntu desktop but i removed one and it had no negative effects
[01:49] <hydrozii> so i would just not worry about it
[01:49] <len> You removed lubuntu desktop and didn't have any problems?
[01:50] <phillw> hydrozii:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseNotes/MaverickMeerkat
[01:50] <phillw> len: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/RemoveLubuntuDesktop
[01:52] <len> Thanks.   So it's ok to remove, but should be added back before doing a version upgrade?  ie. 11.04
[01:55] <len> I hope I remember.  Or else I won't get any new programs added to the default for the next version when I upgrade.  I assume that would be the result.
[02:00] <len> Hmm, I just noticed that 10.10 just dropped support for VIA C3.  That sucks.  I have serveral old low watt 1ghz c3 machines what would run quite well with Lubuntu.  :(
[02:02] <phillw> len: that is why 10.04 is going to continue to be supported :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#10.04
[02:45] <len> So, up to date lubuntu desktop/LXDE will continue to be compiled for 10.4 in parallel with the Lubuntu-current?
[02:48] <len> I have a feeling my nehemiah core C3 will continune to work because it has the missing 686 instruction the other c3's are missing.  I assume the drop in c3 support is due to switch to compiling for 686.
[02:49] <phillw> len: the team has commitred to support i586
[02:49] <phillw> *committed*
[02:50] <phillw> len: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#10.04
[02:51] <phillw> len: yes, Julien has given a committment to continue back porting, as has pcman.
[02:52] <len> Great, I was a afraid it would just be bug fixes that you usually get for a lts.
[02:52] <andai> I killed the panel so now alt+f2 works and i can´t start the panel
[02:52] <phillw> len: we had a chat on the mailing list, and I can assure you that 10.04 will continue to be supported. I've spent the evening getting the documentation all re-done
[02:53] <andai> *alt-f2 doesn´t work
[02:54] <len> :) All is good then, I guess.  I suppose i586 is not so important for gnome/kde since they run too slowly in the older procesors anyway, but Lubuntu is whole different story.  I'm still shocked at how well it runs on "junk" hardware.
[02:56] <len> That was what Xbuntu was supposed to be for, but it doesn
[02:57] <len> deliver like lxde
[02:57] <len> The xbuntu project must be feeling the heat now :)
[02:58] <len> They are kind of in no-man's-land.
[02:58] <head_victim> I think they're more aimed at just a quicker gui than gnome, not necessarily at old hardware.
[04:02] <hydrozii> what is the name of the file manager in lubuntu.. that i can use to open it from a terminal
[04:03] <JoeMaverickSett> hydrozii: pcmanfm
[04:06] <hydrozii> thanks!
[04:06] <hyperair> there's always xdg-open
[04:08] <stlsaint> JoeMaverickSett: hey man
[04:13] <JoeMaverickSett> hello, stlsaint. :)
[04:13] <JoeMaverickSett> yo, hyperair. :)
[04:13] <hyperair> well hello
[04:13] <JoeMaverickSett> hyperair: how do you do?
[04:13] <JoeMaverickSett> :D
[04:13] <hyperair> fine thank you =)
[04:15]  * JoeMaverickSett goes back to watching TV. :D
[09:41] <benjr> my google skills may just be lacking but how does lubuntu compare performance wise to some of these unoffical trimmed down versions of windows xp?
[09:41] <benjr> stock xp has lower requirements then lubuntu, but i know better then to base my decision on those
[09:42] <hyperair> it's very much better.
[09:42] <hyperair> i believe the requirements you see are for the livecd interface
[09:42] <hyperair> failing to meet those requirements means you need to ues the alternate installer, which is similar to windows xp's installation cd
[09:43] <hyperair> the menu/text-based interface, i eman
[09:43] <benjr> my pc meets the minimum requirements, but i know from past experience that just meeting them doesnt guarentee a smooth user experince
[09:44] <slooksterpsv> like Windows FLP? - always have at least 1 1/2 times more ram than the minimum requirements
[09:45] <benjr> would you say id see a performance increase over xp on a 1.6ghz 256mb ram?
[09:46] <benjr> im getting the laptop for free because the current owners are going insane trying to use it with xp, its so slow
[09:53] <head_victim> benjr: it's hard to compare an operating system that well over 5 years old with one that is cutting edge.
[09:53] <head_victim> +is
[09:54] <head_victim> I can find a version of windows 3.1 that will go great on your machine if all your after is speed.
[09:55] <hydrozii> you could go with gentoo or arch?
[09:55] <head_victim> I'm using lubuntu on a 2.4 celeron cpu here with xchat, skype and mans all running and only using 256 mb ram though if that helps for performance.
[09:56] <benjr> my requirements arnt cutting edge, 90% of its sue will be: web browser (with flash), music player (for streaming radio), and irc/msn/icq etc
[09:56] <head_victim> Should be fine, the only thing you might look into is if you can get up to 512mb of ram cheaply or not. That may assist if you want to do multiple things at once but it will still function with only 256
[09:56] <benjr> hydrozii: i came across those 2 distros while googling the topic, but thjey seem too advanced for me
[09:57] <hydrozii> yah they are pretty advanced im using lubuntu till i build up the courage and knowledge to use arch
[09:57] <slooksterpsv> puppy Linux =D
[09:58] <hydrozii> yah im pretty sure you could get 512mb of ram pretty cheap
[09:58] <bioterror> lets keep discussions on offtopic
[09:58] <hyperair> hydrozii: gentoo and arch aren't really all that fast, you know.
[09:59] <hyperair> those 0.1 millisecs faster webpage loads don't mean shit.
[09:59] <bioterror> hmmm
[09:59] <bioterror> he guys, join #lubuntu-offtopic
[09:59] <bioterror> and ill join the conversation
[09:59] <hydrozii> but they are like as light as you can possibly get right?
[09:59] <bioterror> lets keep this channel for helping people out
[09:59] <hyperair> hydrozii: not really.
[09:59] <benjr> sorry bioterror
[10:00] <hydrozii> i understand once you have a de and other things installed you wont have much speed over lubuntu
[10:00] <hyperair> hydrozii: they're no lighter than ubuntu server edition.
[10:00] <hyperair> benjr: so anyway, lubuntu will perform faster than XP on that machine.
[10:01] <benjr> yea sorry for binring up xp in here
[10:01] <benjr> bringing*
[10:01] <hyperair> you did nothing wrong
[10:01] <hydrozii> how much ram space do you save just running openbox without the de?
[10:01]  * hyperair shrugs
[10:01] <hyperair> why don't you go measure
[10:01] <hydrozii> yah sorry
[10:01] <hyperair> i kinda like proper power management and disk management though.
[10:02] <bioterror> i got 66mb ram usage with arch + wmaker
[10:02] <hydrozii> yah but my computer has alot of trouble playing hd video
[10:02] <hydrozii> works alot better when i just run openbox
[10:02] <bioterror> using wicd and gnome-power-manager
[10:02] <slooksterpsv> as a continuation to my comment, Lubuntu may not be completely slimmed down as people would like it to be, granted its a whole lot better than Xubuntu, but some cases it may be better to look into other variants like Puppy Linux (uses Ubuntu as its core) or other distros like Tiny Core
[10:03] <hydrozii> yah ive heard good things about puppy linux
[10:03] <hyperair> slooksterpsv: lubuntu is meant to be a fully-featured, fast linux desktop for tiny systems.
[10:03] <slooksterpsv> Lubuntu is still, in my opinion, more complete than puppy, as it seems geared more towards mainstream low-end or old arch, rather than completely out-dated
[10:03] <hydrozii> 66mb is pretty frikken low
[10:04] <slooksterpsv> hydrozii: I'd run a file server with that much ram :P
[10:04] <hyperair> slooksterpsv: the kind of slimming down you're talking about is dropping features and dropping to a terminal every time you want to mount something.
[10:05] <hydrozii> well that makes it even more fun
[10:05] <slooksterpsv> true, but Lubuntu is still slimmer than Xubuntu, but only because it's not using a lot of gnome services in the bg
[10:05] <hyperair> actually you'll be surprised how many gnome services lubuntu uses =)
[10:05] <benjr> i dont mean to turn this into a linux tutorial, but tell if i have this right, different distros are just different collections of other peoples packages rolled into a whole system?
[10:05] <slooksterpsv> not but only because, I meant one of the reasons is
[10:05] <hyperair> benjr: bingo.
[10:05] <hyperair> benjr: that's why they're called "distributions"
[10:06] <hyperair> benjr: there are distro-specific changes as well.
[10:06] <benjr> the distro itself, havnt actually coded much themselves?
[10:06] <hyperair> not much
[10:06] <hyperair> some more than others
[10:06] <hyperair> well, package maintainers also contribute back upstraem
[10:06] <hyperair> basically we come up with patches for bugfixes, and put the code back upstream
[10:06] <hyperair> or new features even, for example
[10:07] <benjr> so a better approach to finding a suitable distro could be to seeing what packages i want to have, and then see which distros include those?
[10:07] <slooksterpsv> hyperair: meh I'm not sure how to phrase what i mean so I'm gonna hit the hay
[10:07] <hyperair> slooksterpsv: please do before you start claiming that ubuntu server edition is what lubuntu should be.
[10:07] <hyperair> =p
[10:07] <slooksterpsv> benjr: that would work, my personal preference is how easy is it to resolve dependencies
[10:07] <slooksterpsv> hyperair: it should be though :P jk
[10:07] <hyperair> lol
[10:08] <hydrozii> im pretty sure arch and gentoo allow you to chose exactly what packages you want
[10:08] <slooksterpsv> hyperair: someone told me Lubuntu didn't contain gnome libraries in it oh... libraries not services
[10:08] <hyperair> benjr: the heart of every distribution is its package manager.
[10:08] <hydrozii> their whole philosophy is like not putting anything on your computer that you didnt ask for
[10:08] <hyperair> benjr: i choose my distro based on their focus, and their package manager.
[10:08] <hyperair> benjr: apt-get/dpkg is pretty much the best out there
[10:09] <hyperair> and *buntu are distros which put focus on usability.
[10:09] <hyperair> hydrozii: actually.. arch's package manager has no package-splitting.
[10:09] <hyperair> hydrozii: which means when you install a package, all the rubbish comes with it
[10:09] <hyperair> including the stuff that goes into -dev
[10:10] <hydrozii> oh but gentoo does right?
[10:10] <hyperair> headers, developer documentation, and stuff.
[10:10] <benjr> hydrozii: i had a feeling arch and gentoo were like that, thats a bit too much work for me, i dont want to have to explicatly tell it to install the package for creating directories, mounting, etc
[10:10] <hyperair> hydrozii: i think gentoo is pretty much the same, being  a source-based distro
[10:10] <hydrozii> yah i understand you im the same way
[10:11] <hyperair> benjr: users also pick their distro based on stuff like.. availability of commercial packages.
[10:11] <hyperair> like flash has .debs
[10:11] <hyperair> and skype
[10:11] <hyperair> and opera
[10:11] <hyperair> and canon printer drivers
[10:11] <benjr> oh yea, my browser of choice is opera
[10:11] <hydrozii> why?
[10:12] <hyperair> guys, let's not turn this into a browser-war
[10:12] <hydrozii> no i just want to know his reasons?
[10:12] <benjr> im used to its interface/features, been suing it for about 6 years, i could make firefox do the same thing but with all the addons it just becomes a hassle
[10:12] <hyperair> and chrome?
[10:12] <hydrozii> oh
[10:12] <hydrozii> yah ive looked at stats and chrome seems to be that fastest everywhere ive looked
[10:13] <hyperair> yeah
[10:13] <hyperair> it's just a little harsh on memory consumption
[10:13] <hyperair> but now that i have 4G of RAM... \o/ chromium!
[10:13] <benjr> the speed difference are negliable to me, and hwo i use the browers, it all comes down to the UI for me
[10:14] <hyperair> i'm sure you'll be singing a different tune when you see chrome's speed.
[10:14] <hydrozii> yah chrome is pretty nice
[10:14] <benjr> anyway, since opera sint opensource, what does that mean for my choice of distro/package manager?
[10:15] <hydrozii> im pretty sure it wouldnt be a problem if you chose a buntu distro
[10:16] <hydrozii> youd just have to go to their website and download it if they support linux
[10:16] <benjr> ive had brief expose to ubuntu before and opera worked ok on there
[10:16] <benjr> can i get all the same packages on lubuntu that are availabale for ubuntu?
[10:17] <hydrozii> i think so..
[10:17] <hydrozii> lubuntu works perfectly for me
[10:17] <hydrozii> but ive only used it for a day so far
[10:18] <benjr> im just wondering if i install lubuntu will i have to learn to use a bunch of different applications, or can i install my personal favourites on there
[10:18] <hydrozii> im pretty sure you can use your personal favourites
[10:19] <hydrozii> all the same applications i used in ubuntu work fine in lubuntu
[10:19] <hydrozii> work better actually
[10:22] <bioterror> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=calculate_gentoo_benchmarks&num=2
[10:23] <bioterror> I promised to join conversation
[10:23] <bioterror> (I was eating my lunch in my car last time I spoke with you ;)
[10:31] <bioterror> ahhh
[10:31] <bioterror> hydrozii, Mon12:22 <bioterror> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=calculate_gentoo_benchmarks&num=2
[10:33] <hydrozii> anyone know how i could downgrade back to 10.04?
[10:33] <bioterror> with clean install
[10:33] <hydrozii> yes but is there a way to do it with out haveingt to start over?
[10:34] <bioterror> impossible
[10:34] <hydrozii> okay
[10:34] <bioterror> becouse of dependencies
[10:34] <hydrozii> well i cant get autologin to work  in 1010
[10:34] <hydrozii> it worked fine in 1004
[10:35] <bioterror> hmmm
[10:35] <bioterror> you've edited the file?
[10:35] <hydrozii> oh yah forgot about that
[10:35] <hydrozii> which file was it again?
[10:36] <bioterror> /etc/lxdm/default.conf
[10:36] <hydrozii> /etc/xdg/lubuntu/lxdm/lxdm.conf
[10:36] <hydrozii> aww you beat me
[10:36] <bioterror> yeah
[10:36] <bioterror> I had to google something
[10:36] <bioterror> becouse I'm at school
[10:36] <hydrozii> haha its like 5am for me
[10:37] <hydrozii> is your school liberal with the web filters? or have you gotten around them to use irc?
[10:39] <hydrozii> hang on im gonna see if autologin works now
[10:40] <bioterror> did it?
[10:41] <hydrozii> yes :)
[10:41] <bioterror> ;)
[10:42] <hydrozii> according to system profiler it says im running ubuntu 10.10, im not sure but i think before i upgraded it said lubuntu
[10:42] <bioterror> lubuntu ubuntu, what's the difference :D
[10:42] <hydrozii> yah i guess it doesnt matter
[10:43] <benjr> thanks for all your input, ive done a bit more googling and i think lubuntu is the right choice, i just gotta wait till i get home from work :)
[10:43] <hydrozii> so the little start button in lubuntu.. is there any way to make that look cooler?
[10:43] <hydrozii> lubuntu is awesome
[10:44] <benjr> at the very least it'll be fun to try and use it, im a linux beginner, so even the installation seems exciting lol
[10:44] <hydrozii> yah ive been a beginner for a while lol
[10:44] <hydrozii> and i know what you mean
[10:45] <bioterror> benjr, now that you have chosen to use lubuntu, you might try other distributions and desktop environments, but I bet you will always come back to lubuntu
[10:55] <benjr> bioterror: probably out of fear of the unknown as much as any other reason :p
[10:55] <benjr> its taken me this many years to dare to move away from windows
[10:55] <bioterror> you just have to take that step
[10:56] <bioterror> it's a mental state in your mind, just like dropping alcohol or meat
[13:54] <pip_> I give the lubuntu alternate cd 10 out of 10 : )
[14:08] <aaq> some one know if its safe to update lubuntu?
[14:08] <aaq> :)
[14:46] <Shattered1> Hi guys, can someone answer few questions? :D
[15:14] <leszek> hi
[18:12] <hblount> hi. i had lubuntu installed on my old laptop. then i installed lubuntu on a usb drive using this old laptop with lubuntu already on it. i tested the lubuntu usb drive and it works (i am using it now) but now my laptop wont boot without the usb, it says some error and stays on black terminal screen.
[18:15] <bioterror> would be nice to know that error
[18:15] <bioterror> hard to help when you dont tell us how to help
[18:16] <hblount> the prompt says "grub recovery" or something like that
[18:57] <nk_> phillw?
[18:57] <bioterror> nk, may I help?
[18:57] <nk_> well maybe
[18:58] <nk_> do you know if its safe tu update lubuntu 10.10
[18:58] <nk_> ?
[18:58] <bioterror> yes
[18:58] <bioterror> I'm using 10.10 myself
[18:59] <bioterror> and I yesterday upgraded my parents-in-laws laptop from 10.04 to 10.10
[18:59] <nk_> i have duall boot with win7 and the update have f'''' my win7 3 times
[18:59] <bioterror> really
[18:59] <nk_> well i all ready got 10.10
[18:59] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install os-proper
[18:59] <bioterror> run that os-proper as root
[18:59] <bioterror> and then sudo update-grub
[18:59] <bioterror> problem solved
[19:04] <hblount> hi. i have an old laptop with lubuntu installed. i used this laptop to create a lubuntu usb drive. i tried booting with usb drive and it works fine. i tried to reboot without usb, booting normal with laptop HDD. but it says: "error: no such device: ####-####-###" and "grub rescue>" prompt. can anyone help?
[19:06] <bioterror> your grub is messed up
[19:06] <bioterror> UUID might be wrong
[19:06] <bioterror> when you installed that lubuntu on that usb drive, you told to install Grub on wrong device
[19:07] <bioterror> probably you installed it on sda instead of sdb
[19:07] <bioterror> !grub2
[19:07] <hblount> yeah im noob
[19:07] <bioterror> that happens
[19:07] <hblount> can i fix it?
[19:08] <bioterror> ofcourse
[19:08] <bioterror> easiest way is to boot that your usb thingie
[19:08] <bioterror> then do chroot
[19:09] <bioterror> and run grub-update
[19:09] <bioterror> or fix correct UUID by hand
[19:09] <bioterror> your choise
[19:14] <hblount> hey so how do i chroot/grub-update?
[19:16] <bioterror> http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11558
[19:17] <nk_> well
[19:17] <nk_> well
[19:17] <bioterror> well well
[19:17] <nk_> where is my win7 dvd?
[19:17] <bioterror> I stole it
[19:17] <bioterror> you dont need it anymore
[19:17] <bioterror> you have lubuntu
[19:17] <nk_> hehe'
[19:17] <nk_> well if it ha been some easy way to acess windows shared folders
[19:18] <bioterror> oh look, your win7 cd is in a paper shredder
[19:18] <bioterror> OEH NOES!
[19:18] <bioterror> I today at school mounted windows partition and gave rm -rf windows :D
[19:19] <bioterror> (but then I installed an image of windows back which I had just made ;)
[19:19] <nk_> well i made love to my girlfriend
[19:19] <bioterror> did you remember to wear condom
[19:20] <nk_> nope
[19:20] <bioterror> oeh noe!
[19:20] <bioterror> IT'S TRAP!
[19:20] <nk_> i know
[19:28] <dolphy> bioterror: is this link the easiest way to do this? i am noob.
[19:28] <bioterror> easiest way is to mount your / (if you dont have separate /boot)
[19:29] <bioterror> checked your drives UUID with gparted and replace the UUID in grub.cfg with the correct one
[19:29] <bioterror> check
[19:29] <bioterror> or you can just chroot and do the magic
[19:29] <bioterror> your choise
[19:30] <bioterror> maybe I would edit that file, try to boot after that
[19:30] <bioterror> and do sudo update-grub ;)
[19:30] <bioterror> if that works
[19:31] <dolphy> damn i dont know what you are talking about...sorry
[19:31] <dolphy> the first command on that link i tried and it said "vgchange: command not found"
[19:32] <bioterror> boot that USB-drive
[19:32] <bioterror> run gparted
[19:32] <dolphy> how do i run gparted
[19:32] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install gparted
[19:33] <dolphy> ok
[19:34] <bioterror> you check your hard drive's UUID
[19:34] <bioterror> you edit from your hard drive /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[19:35] <bioterror> with like gksudo leafpad /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[19:35] <bioterror> and replace that wrong UUID with correct
[19:36] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UUID
[19:36] <dolphy> so "gksudo leafpad /boot/grub/grub.cfg" is what i type?
[19:36] <bioterror> y
[19:37] <dolphy> how do i edit grub.cfg
[19:37] <bioterror> Mon21:36 <dolphy> so "gksudo leafpad /boot/grub/grub.cfg" is what i type?
[19:38] <dolphy> y=yes or why
[19:38] <bioterror> da
[19:38] <bioterror> :D
[19:39] <bioterror> I didnt include a question mark, did I?-)
[19:40] <dolphy> i did it and it said "(gksudo:1309): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"
[19:40] <bioterror> you're not in graphical mode?
[19:41] <dolphy> no. sorry. i was doing what the link u gave me said. it said do "alt+del+f2" and it is in prompt
[19:41] <dolphy> how do i go back? reboot?
[19:41] <bioterror> well
[19:41] <bioterror> ctrl + alt + f7
[19:41] <dolphy> k
[19:42] <bioterror> but
[19:42] <bioterror> have you run that gparted
[19:42] <bioterror> checked that drives UUID
[19:44] <dolphy> i did sudo get apt install gparted
[19:44] <dolphy> how do i run gparted
[19:45] <bioterror> do you have any important files in your lubuntu installationw which you have on that hard drive you messed up?
[19:46] <dolphy> uh...kinda. so i should just format and reinstall?
[19:47] <bioterror> it could be easier in this case...
[19:47] <bioterror> you can check with du -h <directory>
[19:47] <bioterror> how much space your  files takes
[19:47] <bioterror> and think if you can move them on the usb drive
[19:48] <dolphy> wow.cant believe its that fukt up. i can still access hard drive files in file manager. can i hook up an external HDD and use while its in usb mode?
[19:50] <bioterror> well
[19:50] <bioterror> it's not that fcuk uped
[19:51] <bioterror> I think it's easier for you and me to give up, move the files and install lubuntu once again all over it
[19:51] <bioterror> if you can move them
[19:51] <dolphy> i dont know. but it sure alot easier to install grub on usb than change it back so thats fucked up
[19:52] <bioterror> well
[20:02] <admin2> hi all
[20:02] <admin2> First use of lubuntu
[20:03] <bioterror> how you like it as much as we do
[20:04] <admin2> Got this error trying to open an avi file : Échec à l'ouverture de VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[20:05] <admin2> Got this error trying to open an avi file
[20:05] <bioterror> you're missing libvdpau for nvidia
[20:06] <bioterror> what kind of graphics card you own?
[20:06] <admin2> works anyway, but i will give this computer to my mother ...
[20:06] <bioterror> with VDPAU you can watch 1080p files with your graphics card
[20:06] <szczur> run gnome mplayer (Programs menu -> Audio and Video -> Gnome MPlayer)
[20:06] <szczur> choose Edit -> Preferences
[20:06] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDPAU
[20:07] <szczur> and on Playbeck tab (or something like that) set Video output to gl2 or xv
[20:08] <szczur> hi bioterror
[20:08] <bioterror> hi szczur
[20:08] <bioterror> szczur, do you have lot of energy?
[20:08] <szczur> errr.. phew
[20:08] <szczur> hmm, for what?
[20:08] <szczur> :P
[20:08] <bioterror> you can help hblount
[20:08] <admin2> Ok, yhx, will give it a try
[20:08] <szczur> hblount?
[20:08] <bioterror> he messed up his grub.cfg with lubuntu installation on usb drive
[20:08] <szczur> what is the problem?
[20:09] <szczur> waaahhh, why why why :P
[20:09] <szczur> XD
[20:10] <szczur> he can recreate grub.cfg by running the update-grub command
[20:11] <hblount> hi. how do i do that
[20:11] <admin2> Super, it works well now : thx <szczur> &  <bioterror>
[20:12] <szczur> hblount, boot your lubuntu installation
[20:12] <hblount> with usb drive?
[20:12] <bioterror> oh true dat
[20:12] <szczur> and run "sudo update-grub" in terminal
[20:12] <bioterror> :D
[20:12] <bioterror> you can boot hard drive :D
[20:12] <szczur> hblount, you have installed lubuntu on hard drive?
[20:13] <bioterror> I didnt even think about that
[20:13] <hblount> yeah but cant boot from HDD
[20:13] <bioterror> put your usb drive in :D
[20:13] <hblount> it is booted from usb right now
[20:13] <szczur> so you don'rt have lubuntu on HDD right now?
[20:13] <bioterror> he has
[20:14] <hblount> i do, but i cant boot from it.
[20:14] <szczur> or only GRUB is incapable of booting lubuntu?
[20:14] <szczur> do you see a screen where you can choose your systems?
[20:14] <bioterror> szczur, the grub on his /dev/sda got UUID of his USB drive
[20:14] <hblount> i installed lubuntu on usb drive and accidentally installed grub on it
[20:14] <szczur> ahh
[20:15] <szczur> so grub is on the usb
[20:15] <szczur> baaaad
[20:15] <szczur> :P
[20:15] <szczur> ok, run sudo fdisk -l
[20:15] <szczur> and pastebin the results
[20:15] <szczur> pastebin.com
[20:16] <szczur> copy and paste the output there
[20:16] <szczur> and give us the link
[20:17] <szczur> hblount, are you following me? :P
[20:17] <szczur> just getting sure :)
[20:17] <hblount> ok i try
[20:17] <szczur> ok, step-by-step guide :P
[20:18] <szczur> run lxterminal (program menu -> accessories -> LXTerminal)
[20:19] <szczur> in the terminal window run "sudo fdisk -l" (without the quotes)
[20:19] <szczur> copy the output and paste it on that webpage sent by me and give us the link
[20:19] <szczur> voila :)
[20:19]  * szczur should write manpages
[20:26] <hblount> do i have to give email and name/title?
[20:26] <szczur> no
[20:30] <szczur> hblount, and what's with that ouput?
[20:31] <szczur> i need to know your hard drive mapping to prevent making another mistake :)
[20:34] <hblount> sorry getting bitched at. pastebin.com/FzJehe2p
[20:41] <szczur> ok, so i'm sure that sda is the hard drive :)
[20:41] <hblount> what is sda?
[20:41] <hblount> so can i fix?
[20:43] <szczur> yes, you always could
[20:43] <szczur> i wanted to check this
[20:43] <szczur> sda is the first hard drive of your computer
[20:43] <szczur> sdb is the second
[20:43] <szczur> ok sooo
[20:44] <szczur> now do everything slowly and report after any command you will execute :)
[20:44] <hblount> k
[20:44] <szczur> i don't want to have you desperated
[20:44] <szczur> :)
[20:44] <szczur> sudo mkdir /ubu
[20:45] <hblount> k
[20:45] <szczur> mount -o bind /proc /ubu/proc
[20:45] <szczur> ahh
[20:45] <szczur> sudo mount -o bind /proc /ubu/proc
[20:45] <szczur> sudo mount -o bind /dev /ubu/dev
[20:46] <hblount> so do the last 2 commands there?
[20:46] <szczur> yes
[20:47] <hblount> mount: mount point /ubu/proc does not exist
[20:47] <kosaidpo> guys i have dual boot so
[20:48] <szczur> it should work
[20:48] <kosaidpo> how can i add a anothe varient i wanna try fedora or achlinux
[20:48] <bioterror> if you dont know how to do that, skip the arch
[20:48] <szczur> sudo mkdir /ubu/proc
[20:48] <szczur> sudo mkdir /ubu/dev
[20:49] <hblount> k
[20:49] <szczur> done without errors?
[20:49] <nozes> hi
[20:49] <nozes> http://uploaddeimagens.com.br/imagem/ver/2010-10-25-173553_1280x1024_scrot.png
[20:50] <szczur> if yes then do
[20:50] <szczur> chroot /ubu /bin/bash
[20:50] <szczur> and you'll be using your system from hard drive
[20:50] <hblount> chroot: cannot change root directory to /ubu: Operation not permitted
[20:50] <szczur> another step will be installing the GRUB bootloader
[20:51] <szczur> gaaah
[20:51] <szczur> something went obviously wrong
[20:51] <szczur> rm -r /ubu
[20:51] <szczur> wait
[20:51] <szczur> sudo umount /ubu/dev
[20:51] <hblount> do i do sudo chroot /ubu /bin/bash?
[20:51] <szczur> sudo umount /ubu/proc
[20:51] <szczur> yup
[20:52] <szczur> aahhh
[20:52] <szczur> wait
[20:52] <szczur> what a moron of me
[20:52] <szczur> sorry
[20:52] <szczur> i'm sorry
[20:52] <szczur> :)
[20:52] <hblount> k
[20:52] <szczur> soo let's back to basics :)
[20:52] <szczur> sudo umount /ubu/dev
[20:52] <szczur> sudo umount /ubu/proc
[20:52] <szczur> rm -r /ubu
[20:53] <szczur> i forgot about one most needed thing :)
[20:53] <szczur> so retry :)
[20:53] <szczur> hblount, are you with me?
[20:53] <hblount> rm: descend into write-protected directory '/ubu'?
[20:53] <szczur> no
[20:54] <szczur> ls /ubu
[20:54] <szczur> tell me what's there
[20:54] <hblount> dev proc
[20:54] <szczur> ok
[20:54] <szczur> sudo rm -r /ubu
[20:54] <szczur> now it will work :)
[20:54] <hblount> k
[20:55] <szczur> sudo mkdir /ubu
[20:55] <hblount> k
[20:55] <szczur> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /ubu
[20:56] <szczur> sudo mount -o bind /proc /ubu/proc
[20:56] <hblount> k
[20:59] <szczur> sudo mount -o bind /dev /ubu/dev
[20:59] <szczur> and now :)
[20:59] <szczur> chroot /ubu /bin/bash
[20:59] <szczur> and it'll work :)
[20:59] <szczur> wait
[21:00] <szczur> did you chrooted?
[21:00] <hblount> no
[21:00] <szczur> sudo chroot /ubu /bin/bash
[21:00] <hblount> sudo chroot /ubu /bin/bash?
[21:00] <hblount> ok
[21:00] <hblount> yeah
[21:01] <hblount> k
[21:01] <szczur> grub-install --recheck --no-floppy /dev/sda
[21:01] <szczur> now without sudo :)
[21:02] <hblount> installation finished. no error reported
[21:02] <szczur> now reboot
[21:02] <hblount> without usb right?
[21:02] <szczur> ckeck if the system wil boot from hard drive
[21:02] <szczur> right
[21:03] <szczur> will*
[21:03] <hblount> do i have to reinstall lubuntu on usb drive without grub?
[21:03] <szczur> you can have grub there :)
[21:03] <szczur> it won't work properly
[21:04] <szczur> but it does not inflict data on the drive
[21:04] <szczur> you can use gparted to remove the grub if you want
[21:05] <hblount> so if i want grub on usb, it erases it from my HDD?
[21:05] <bioterror> I just cant figure it how you managed to do that
[21:06] <bioterror> becouse last time I installed lubuntu on stick, it installed grub on that same usb stick
[21:06] <hblount> i installed ubuntu on usb and it was a wizard so it wasnt hard to mistakenly do it
[21:07] <szczur> hblount, that command run before
[21:07] <szczur> grub-install
[21:07] <szczur> doesn't remove grub wrom usb
[21:07] <bioterror> there's no grub on usb
[21:07] <szczur> you have now two grubs
[21:07] <bioterror> :D
[21:07] <hblount> thanks SOOOO much szczur, it works perfect now
[21:07] <bioterror> if I got it right
[21:07] <szczur> one on usb nd second (proper) on hdd
[21:07] <bioterror> ?
[21:07] <Kurdistan> I girls
[21:07] <bioterror> I boys
[21:07] <Kurdistan> I mean hey ;P
[21:07] <szczur> hblount, no problem :)
[21:08] <hblount> so should i just leave usb drive as it is? it wont mess up other computers if i boot with it?
[21:08] <phillw> hblount: It takes a bit of getting your head round, I have grub on my HDD, also on usb as it is 1st priority to boot in my BIOS.
[21:09] <Kurdistan> hblount do you have problem making bootable usb-pen?
[21:09] <szczur> hblount, if you will boot from this usb you will use the lubuntu i presume
[21:10] <szczur> you can remove grub by formatting it with gparted
[21:10] <hblount> yeah. but if i boot it on a different computer will it mess it up?
[21:10] <hblount> what is the difference of having grub on usb vs not?
[21:10] <szczur> no, it won't mess up anything
[21:11] <hblount> i can just reinstall lubuntu on usb. theres nothing on usb except new lubuntu install
[21:11] <phillw> hblount: you cannot boot from the usb without grub on it.
[21:11] <szczur> phillw, you can
[21:12] <szczur> that's the way liveusb works :)
[21:12] <szczur> it doesn't use the grub but syslinux, the same way as livecd
[21:12] <hblount> its better to have usb w/out grub right?
[21:13] <Kurdistan> hblount do you want to install lubuntu on usb
[21:13] <phillw> szczur: correct, I was just trying to explain, without too much detail that having grub on the usb will not 'mess things up' :)
[21:13] <szczur> but if you have system INSTALLED (by using the lubuntu installer) on that usb then you need to use grub
[21:13] <Kurdistan> I didnt understand your problem (came late).
[21:13] <szczur> actually it doesn't make a difference
[21:13] <szczur> you can format it to get rid of GRUB
[21:13] <szczur> you don't need it anymore
[21:13] <Kurdistan> szczur, yeah same here.
[21:14] <hblount> oh.whats the difference of having it installed on usb vs acting as a livecd?
[21:14] <szczur> Kurdistan, ?
[21:14] <Kurdistan> there is people that says they feel much faster boot-time after profiling.
[21:14] <szczur> hblount, you can install linux on USB to act as a normal system installed on HDD
[21:15] <Kurdistan> haha szcur sorry my friend mixed windows. :) that I wrote should be on off-topic part.
[21:15] <szczur> if this is the case you can save your work and so on
[21:15] <szczur> acts as normal OS
[21:15] <hblount> oh.weird
[21:15] <szczur> if you will use liveusb creator
[21:15] <szczur> you have livecd, but on usb :)
[21:15] <szczur> so yuo can't change anything
[21:16] <Kurdistan> I prefer unetbootin
[21:16] <szczur> except making another partition on that drive and save data there
[21:16] <szczur> the same way you can't change the content of CD-ROM
[21:18] <hblount> just double checking: right now im on an old xp desktop. i can use the usb with lubuntu installed on this desktop and not affect xp or HDD or boot,etc?
[21:20] <szczur> yes
[21:21] <hblount> cool. hey can lubuntu run on desktop with 256mb ram?
[21:21] <Kurdistan> yes
[21:21] <Kurdistan> it can without any problem
[21:22] <hblount> cool
[21:22] <Kurdistan> yes lubuntu is really cool.
[21:22] <hblount> yeah i love it
[21:22] <phillw> hblount: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Intended%20Audience
[21:25] <hblount> k. g2g. thanks again szczur. bye!
[22:19] <aaq> XX
[22:20] <szczur> hi aaq
[22:20] <aaq> halla
[22:34] <aaq> bioterror?
[22:34] <bioterror> still here
[22:34] <aaq> woooooooooohhhhhha
[22:34] <bioterror> about to hit the bed, though
[22:35] <aaq> so what was the fix
[22:35] <aaq> for win7
[22:35] <aaq> :=
[22:35] <bioterror> ahhhh
[22:35] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install os-prober
[22:35] <aaq> i can do that from live cd?
[22:35] <bioterror> gotta do it bymyself too
[22:36] <bioterror> why?
[22:36] <bioterror> if you can boot to your lubuntu
[22:36] <bioterror> ofcourse you can do it, you just have to chroot
[22:36] <aaq> well i have fixed win7
[22:36] <bioterror> sad157@dopethrone:~$ sudo os-prober
[22:36] <bioterror> /dev/sda1:Microsoft Windows XP Professional:Windows:chain
[22:36] <bioterror> I just did it myself too :D
[22:38] <aaq> well i am a noob so if u can tell me how or show me a place where i can read it i be glad
[22:38] <bioterror> can we start from the begin
[22:38] <aaq> glad
[22:38] <bioterror> what's the situation now
[22:39] <aaq> no i cant boot lubuntu
[22:39] <aaq> ;)
[22:39] <bioterror> szczur, just instructed one guy
[22:39] <bioterror> !grub2
[22:40] <szczur> gaah, i have to do it again? :P
[22:41] <szczur> aaq, can you boot your lubuntu?
[22:41] <bioterror> hahahahahahaha
[22:41] <szczur> from hard disk?
[22:41] <bioterror> I think he just installed windows 7 and lost gru
[22:41] <bioterror> grub
[22:41] <szczur> aaq, what's the problem
[22:41] <aaq> well i had to try
[22:42] <szczur> maybe we will begin from the start :)
[22:42] <phillw> aaq: if you lost your grub, head over to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1014708
[22:42] <aaq> hyaha
[22:42] <phillw> that covers the various scenarious when grub looses windows and windows looses grub.
[22:42] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling from LiveCD
[22:42] <aaq> dont you like me here?
[22:43] <szczur> ohh, faster way :)
[22:43] <szczur> phillw, thanks pal :)
[22:43] <phillw> hiyas aaq, sorry, was just digging up the link for you. :)
[22:46] <bioterror> aaq, we like many people in here
[22:47] <aaq> D
[22:51] <Rabbitbunny> newb question, is google chrome or lxde making that noise when I close a window, and how do I turn that off?
[22:52] <bioterror> what noise? :D
[22:52] <Rabbitbunny> it souds kinda like a glass marble hitting a steel plate, but muted... underwater?
[22:54] <Rabbitbunny> oh, nvm, I closed another window outside of chrome, it didn't happen.
[22:54] <Rabbitbunny> Anyway, lxde is super awesome and thanks for packaging it and stuff guys.
[22:55] <phillw> Rabbitbunny: tahnks for taking the time to say so; it really does it all seem worthwhile :)
[22:56] <phillw> *thanks*
[22:57] <len> I'm having trouble getting a Thinkpad 600 to shutdown.  It closes everything down ok and "halts" the system, but I have to flip the on/off slider to actually turn it off.  I assume it has something to do with apci.  I've been trying different apci command line options in grub, but nothing seems to work.
[22:58] <Rabbitbunny> I've been smiling for longer than when I got my first electric bicycle :D
[22:58] <bioterror> electric bicycle?!
[22:58] <bioterror> what's that?
[22:58] <bioterror> bike for fatasses? :D
[22:58] <Rabbitbunny> Well, kinda
[22:58] <bioterror> guy with two fixed gears cannot understand
[22:59] <bioterror> pedaling makes me less fat :D
[22:59] <bioterror> http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7tjigo4uh1qac69yo1_500.jpg ;)
[22:59] <Rabbitbunny> It's a hybrid type thing, the SUV of bikes. I commute/grocery in it. We can PM to maintain SNR if you want.
[23:00] <szczur> len, please do
[23:00] <szczur> sudo leafpad /etc/default/grub
[23:00] <bioterror> Rabbitbunny, http://www.larryvsharry.com/english/
[23:01] <szczur> and add acpi=force to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line
[23:01] <Rabbitbunny> bioterror: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velomobile
[23:02] <bioterror> Rabbitbunny, you own that kind of thing?
[23:02] <Rabbitbunny> mhmm.
[23:02] <bioterror> "cooool" ;)
[23:03] <len> That is what I am doing right now, lol.  I've already tried:  nolapci, noapci, apci=off, pci=noapci and none of those have worked.  Trying the force now.
[23:04] <bioterror> len, got the latest BIOS?
[23:04] <szczur> if you're disabling acpi then it's not weird that is is not working :P
[23:04] <bioterror> http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/DSHY-3VRJPK.html
[23:05] <len> I mean I've been trying all kinds of combinations.  I'm doing =force by itself.
[23:05] <bioterror> len, check your bios version
[23:05] <bioterror> if you're using 1.22, I would then suggest to try apm instead of acpi...
[23:06] <len> Probably not the latest bios version.  I didn't want to mess with it if I didn't have to--this thing is so ancient
[23:06] <bioterror> yes it is
[23:06] <bioterror> I used to have 560Z
[23:06] <bioterror> ;)
[23:07] <bioterror> but first you should update your BIOS if it's outdate
[23:07] <bioterror> dated
[23:07] <bioterror> if that doesnt help, then APM
[23:08] <len> Can you swich to apm with out compiling your own kernel?
[23:09] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SuspendHowto#Suspending to RAM (APM)
[23:09] <bioterror> daaamn
[23:09] <bioterror> is my chrome broken or the ubuntu.com
[23:09] <bioterror> I get broken urls
[23:10] <bioterror> :D
[23:10] <phillw> bioterror: chromium is a pain for it
[23:10] <len> apci=force worked. :)  I'll go check my bios version now
[23:10] <phillw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SuspendHowto#Suspending%20to%20RAM%20(APM)   Should give the link
[23:11] <bioterror> USE THE FORCE, LUKE! ;D
[23:11] <bioterror> I love force
[23:12] <len> Are there any downsides to using =force?  Does it effect any other part of apci other than at shutdown time?
[23:12] <bioterror> you can you suspend and resume?
[23:14] <len> I haven't tested it yet.
[23:16] <aaq> lol
[23:16] <len> BIOS version is IBET54WW
[23:16] <len> Dated 9/18/99
[23:17] <bioterror> it's the latest
[23:17] <aaq> phillw?
[23:17] <len> That's good.  I'll test the suspend/resume now.
[23:18] <phillw> aaq: you rang ?
[23:18] <aaq> yes i just wounder if it possible to have bouth win7 and lubuntu?
[23:18] <bioterror> yes it is
[23:19] <bioterror> aaq, easiest way is to install first windows 7, and then linux
[23:19] <aaq> yes yes
[23:19] <aaq> i have
[23:19] <aaq> we have been here before and i am sry for that
[23:19] <phillw> aaq: yes, use the grub loader to choose which you want to boot into. If you put win on 2nd then win wipes out grub and you need to use that link I posted up earlier.
[23:20] <len> Thanks for all the help, and useful links guys.  This is one of the most helpfull, friendly and non-flame filled chatroom I've been in.
[23:20] <aaq> but if i fix 1 thing the other gets broken
[23:20] <phillw> aaq: get win happily booting first, using that link, then put on grub2
[23:20] <phillw> your lubuntu area is quite safe.
[23:21] <czz> Hello, how can i get rid of the workspaces icon on the toolbar?
[23:21] <aaq> i just did and now i only can boot in lubuntu
[23:21] <bioterror> right click and remove desktop pager
[23:21] <MonthOLDpickle> you mean the extra desktops square things? Right click and remove or settings
[23:22] <aaq> and if i fix that i only can boot in windows and so on
[23:22] <czz> bioterror, thanks
[23:22] <bioterror> finaly something that I knew and I could help!
[23:22] <bioterror> \o/
[23:22] <aaq> !!!
[23:22] <phillw> hmmmm... aaq, I'd ask on that thread that I posted; I'm now a bit rusty with grub2.
[23:23] <aaq> sry for this
[23:23] <phillw> and have never played with win7. I do know that there were some issues, but they should have been resolved quite a while back.
[23:23] <phillw> aaq: it's why we are here :)
[23:24] <aaq> well it works if u install win7 and then lubuntu. but one of the linux img update break it
[23:25] <aaq> and i can resist updating
[23:25] <aaq> :(
[23:25] <aaq> cant
[23:25] <phillw> after you install the update, go to lxterminal and issue the command
[23:25] <phillw> sudo update-grub
[23:26] <phillw> I've not come across a linux image causing a problem, but that will tell grub to go and double check everything before you reboot.
[23:27] <aaq> it dont say any thing about ntfs
[23:27] <phillw> you should see it find the windows area and the lubuntu stuff as it checks.
[23:28] <phillw> it will simply say 'windows' as part of the text as it finds it.
[23:29] <aaq> 2 linux img and mem test
[23:30] <phillw> aaq: you'd be best posting to that forum link I gave you, I'm sorry, I do not have experiance of win7 and grub2.
[23:30] <aaq> ok
[23:31] <aaq> thanks for help
[23:31] <aaq> !!
[23:31] <phillw> talsmesget is a really good guy, and will no doubt know what the problem is. The grub guru I know is not on-line atm, if you do not it working, come back and nag me :)
[23:31] <aaq> :)