[08:29] <fargiolas> hi, can anybody tell me how to replace ubuntu logo displayed in gdm greeter?
[08:29] <fargiolas> I tried putting a distributor-logo icon both in places and apps in my icon theme (both 48 and scalable) but still I get the ubuntu circle
[16:16] <\home\alex\afk> http://666kb.com/i/bntknwh71rge0tuq6.png
[16:17] <\home\alex\afk> just created this "sketch"
[16:17] <\home\alex\afk> whatcha think about it?
[16:17] <RobOakes> It's very nice.  A new theme for Nautilus?
[16:17] <\home\alex\afk> it's planned to be
[16:18] <\home\alex\afk> yet i'm not a coder...
[16:18] <RobOakes> I can be, though I've never done anything with Nautilus or GTK themes.
[16:19] <\home\alex\afk> well.. first i wanted to talk to someone with experience in GTK theming
[16:19] <\home\alex\afk> since i don't know how far this sketch can be realized in gtk
[16:20] <RobOakes> That would probably be a good first step.  My one biggest piece of feedback would be that there doesn't seem to be much contrast between text in the column and sidebar.
[16:21] <RobOakes> Probably not a big deal for the columns, but using a lighter shade of gray might be appropriate in the sidebar?  Maybe 20% gray rather than what you've used (looks like 30% or 40%)?
[16:21] <RobOakes> You could go one or two shades lighter in the column header too.  The gradient you've used is very nice, though.
[16:22] <\home\alex\afk> well.. it's really hard to find a grey shade that fits perfectly
[16:22] <\home\alex\afk> i actually like the column header... but we can talk about the sidebar
[16:23] <RobOakes> An alternative would be to provide a partial outline in white.  It would greatly improve contrast and make it more readable.
[16:23] <\home\alex\afk> ah
[16:23] <\home\alex\afk> okay
[16:24] <\home\alex\afk> i tried to go for a more professional looks, than what ubuntu looks like right now
[16:25] <RobOakes> The actual colors are very attractive.  It's been a while since I had a UI class, but I seem to remember that you want to maximize the contrast between text and background.  For black on gray, the rule of thumb was like six shades difference.
[16:25] <RobOakes> Which means that if your using 20% gray you would want at least 80% gray for text. Or a partial highlight (like a drop shadow).
[16:25] <\home\alex\afk> so you are member of the ubuntu artwork team?
[16:26] <RobOakes> Nope.  I'm not really anything.  Got an IM from a friend who said I should take a look at UDS related stuff.  So, I'm trolling the IRC of teams that looked interesting.
[16:27] <\home\alex\afk> made the column header lighter
[16:27] <\home\alex\afk> lets see for the sidebar
[16:27] <\home\alex\afk> sidebar is a black layer @ 10%
[16:29] <RobOakes> And if I'm going to be nitpicky ... Does your font have a semibold weight rather than bold?  The bold at that size causes a bit of run on.  But that is being *really*, *really* picky.
[16:29] <\home\alex\afk> that's just the windows calibri font
[16:29] <\home\alex\afk> didn't really care about the font right now.. just a sketch
[16:30] <RobOakes> Probably not, then.
[16:30] <\home\alex\afk> but it hasnt got a semibold
[16:30] <RobOakes> Don't worry about it.  I got carried away.
[16:31] <\home\alex\afk> i planned to use the Ubuntu font or the mac os x font
[16:31] <\home\alex\afk> http://666kb.com/i/bntl68c8n6tzf3xse.png
[16:33] <RobOakes> I think that looks really nice, and it doesn't feel quite so dark (while stil keeping good contrast).
[16:33] <\home\alex\afk> that was my plan...
[16:33] <RobOakes> I really like the scrollbar.
[16:33] <\home\alex\afk> that was osx inspired
[16:34] <RobOakes> Except not quite so shiny.  Which is nice.  Does it keep the same width as the OS X version?
[16:34] <\home\alex\afk> the scrollbar? yes
[16:34] <RobOakes> I typically use the Ubuntu version and feel it's a bit too narrow.  This looks slightly wider and, IMHO, preferable.
[16:35] <\home\alex\afk> im thinking about using some color
[16:36] <\home\alex\afk> the close/minimize/maximize buttons are planned to be colord on mouseover
[16:43] <\home\alex\afk> my intention is to make a reaaally good looking, yet usable, theme.
[16:44] <\home\alex\afk> but i'm not sure about the navigation buttons
[19:08] <\home\alex\afk> RobOakes, what do you think about a colored sidepanel?
[19:09] <RobOakes> Depends what color.  Desaturated theme colors can look quite nice as a background to text.
[19:09] <\home\alex\afk> either a very light blue or a very light orange
[19:10] <RobOakes> You could then use the saturated color for mouse and hover effects.  This is what Apple does in Mac OS X.  There is really only one color in the theme, blue.  The other shades are various levels of saturation.
[19:11] <Islington> can someone change the topic, the font is now available
[19:11] <\home\alex\afk> well.. i have no color so far
[19:12] <RobOakes> Orange would look nice.  It's usually best to just pick one and then make a mock-up.
[19:13] <RobOakes> When I'm trying to work out a design, I usually have to iterate.  Otherwise, things don't click.
[19:13] <\home\alex\afk> im digging blue
[19:13] <\home\alex\afk> but yellowish/orange look scool aswell
[19:13] <RobOakes> Blue is pretty good.  I'd try mockups with green, yellow, and orange.
[19:13] <\home\alex\afk> green doesnt look good at all
[19:14] <RobOakes> Scratch that one then ;)
[19:14] <RobOakes> Do you have a color source book?
[19:14] <\home\alex\afk> nope
[19:15] <RobOakes> I usually like to try 5 or 10 different combos when I'm looking at color.  It helps me get an idea for what works and what does not.  One of my teachers used to say that failure is just as important as success.
[19:15] <\home\alex\afk> http://666kb.com/i/bntpc0kr7g57fghqm.jpg
[19:16] <\home\alex\afk> I tried all the colors... and honestly, blue looks best
[19:16] <\home\alex\afk> font sucks...
[19:17] <Islington> \home\alex\afk: it looks like the hinting is off
[19:17] <Islington> for the font that is
[19:17] <\home\alex\afk> Islington, i didn't want to use the font anyway
[19:17] <\home\alex\afk> it's microsofts default
[19:18] <\home\alex\afk> wanted to use ubuntu or lucida sans
[19:18] <\home\alex\afk> but it's a little to small in the sidepanel
[19:18] <Islington> try droid font family> made for small type
[19:19] <\home\alex\afk> maybe i'll go for the droid
[19:21] <RobOakes> If you're going to use the blue, try and repeat it elsewhere as well.  (Not really sure where, but it will help unify the UI.)  The scrollbar would be one option.
[19:21] <Islington> or possibly mouseover events
[19:22] <RobOakes> That would work as well.  You might use a slightly more transparent shade as a background for the icons?
[19:22] <RobOakes> That is then darkened on mouseover?
[19:22] <RobOakes> (Just thoughts and things to consider, not criticisms.)
[19:23] <\home\alex\afk> i wanted to lighten the icons up on mouseover
[19:24] <RobOakes> I should probably clarify, UI is not really my thing.  I do a little of it, but I'm mostly an illustration guy.
[19:25] <RobOakes> When I'm doing artwork at all.  By day, I'm a staff scientist.
[19:25] <\home\alex\afk> i love 3d... but since i go to university, there isnt too much time
[19:27] <\home\alex\afk> im really not sure about the color thing
[19:29] <\home\alex\afk> http://666kb.com/i/bntpokiezf6fqrxla.jpg
[19:29] <\home\alex\afk> that's what i started doing earlier in 3d
[19:29] <\home\alex\afk> need to find some time to continue working
[19:30] <\home\alex\afk> haven't spend time on calves and feet yet :P
[19:37] <\home\alex\afk> i'll have to take a look at the theme another time
[19:38] <\home\alex\afk> will help me decide what to keep and what not to keep
[22:08] <Islington> that was interesting
[22:08] <RobOakes> Agreed.  Kind of disappointed I didn't get to hear the end of it.
[22:09] <RobOakes> Thinking about it, it seems like Launchpad does most of what they are looking for.  The only major missing piece is the ability to publicly post needed jobs.
[22:10] <RobOakes> I wonder if they could somehow allow for project blueprints to be posted to a particular forum, or tagged?  That could provide a way for developers to request design support from an already existing tool.
[22:12] <RobOakes> I suppose I'll need to listen to the session tomorrow.