[00:22] <harrisonk> I turned off seeing who came on and loged off of IRC in the client irssi how do I turn it back on>
[00:22] <harrisonk> *?
[00:23] <harrisonk> hi pedro3005
[00:23] <pedro3005> hi harrisonk
[00:23] <harrisonk> do you know how to do this:
[00:23] <harrisonk> I turned off seeing who came on and loged off of IRC in the client irssi how do I turn it back on>
[00:23] <harrisonk> *?
[00:25] <seidos> oh i know!  install xchat.  :>
[00:25] <aveilleux> harrisonk: look in ~/.irssi
[00:25] <harrisonk> what will I be looking for?
[00:25] <aveilleux> harrisonk: Find this and delete it (the guide tells you where)
[00:26] <pedro3005> aveilleux, uhm.. won't that screw up his entire configuration?
[00:26] <aveilleux> pedro3005: I don't mean, delete the entire file
[00:26] <aveilleux> harrisonk: Look for that code in the file mentioned
[00:29] <harrisonk> found and deleted
[00:30] <harrisonk> seidos: xchat doesn't work on servers
[00:31] <seidos> harrisonk, sure it does!  you just need a server with a gui :x
[00:31] <harrisonk> but then it isn't a server!
[00:32] <harrisonk> (or rather a headless server)
[00:32] <seidos> it a server with skin.
[00:32] <harrisonk> I know, I know I could use VNC but I like SSH
[00:32] <seidos> nah, irssi is fine.  i was just being silly.
[00:32] <harrisonk> I know :)
[00:33] <seidos> lies!
[00:33] <harrisonk> I have lots of friends like you
[00:33]  * seidos laughs
[00:33] <seidos> oh, obnoxious?
[00:33] <pedro3005> oh, a hoop
[00:33] <harrisonk> that is a smaller group
[00:33] <pedro3005> I gotta stop doing that
[00:33] <harrisonk> what?
[00:34] <harrisonk> whats a hoop?
[00:34] <harrisonk> *what's
[00:34]  * seidos puts a ball in the hoop
[00:34] <seidos> so anyone else unable to get maverick running?
[00:35] <seidos> well, i got it running from live usb, then it stopped working :'(
[00:35] <harrisonk> what!!!! Maverick not working!
[00:35] <seidos> i think my next install is going to have to be alternate cd install.  hopefully that will run from live usb
[00:35] <seidos> minus the cd of course
[00:36] <seidos> i guess maverick is too mavericky
[00:36] <harrisonk> seidos it would be an alternat USB
[00:36] <seidos> it's like "no!  i'm a maverick!  we do our own thing!"
[00:36] <harrisonk> what happens?
[00:36] <seidos> kernel panic
[00:36] <harrisonk> really!
[00:36] <seidos> something else too, can't recall presently
[00:37] <harrisonk> all I get is a squashfs can't mount error
[00:37] <seidos> i fixed this problem with live usb not working...something about syslinux 3.6.3 being too old, had to upgrade it
[00:37]  * seidos looks up bugs in launchpad
[00:38] <seidos> here it is:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usb-creator/+bug/660311
[00:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 660311 in usb-creator (Ubuntu) "Glib-warning **: getpwuid_r(): error when booting maverick from live usb (affects: 1) (heat: 459)" [Undecided,New]
[00:40] <harrisonk> here is my bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/636711
[00:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 636711 in ubuntu "10.10 can't mount squashfs file system (affects: 9) (heat: 123)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[00:41] <harrisonk> they may not be related but "maverick won't start" is the problem in both.
[00:58] <fitsnugly> I'm having some issues figuring out what is causing a system hang (not a kernel panic)
[00:58] <aveilleux> fitsnugly: If you type "top" into Terminal, you can see what is taking the most amount of resources
[00:59] <fitsnugly> would be an option if I could ssh into the box after the hang, but I can't...
[00:59] <aveilleux> fitsnugly: Ah, the whole system is going down? Hm
[00:59] <johnny77> If I installed a program, then installed a beta release of the same program, would the repository pick it back up when the beta is released stable?
[00:59] <aveilleux> fitsnugly: Type "dmesg |tail" into Terminal and seen if there's any kind of crash there
[01:00] <aveilleux> johnny77: Well, "beta" software never goes live, usually. "Beta" is just test software
[01:00] <aveilleux> johnny77: Er, never goes stable
[01:01] <fitsnugly> [   84.292545] Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = -238074925 ns)
[01:01] <fitsnugly> is that anything?
[01:02] <aveilleux> johnny77: When the software goes back up into stable, then the stable version of the software will be newer than the beta, so it'll be upgraded from the beta
[01:02] <johnny77> aveilleux, well beta may of been the wrong word. Between releases dropbox releases what the call forum builds. After installed the last stable, I installed a forum release. Now they are going to release it soon.
[01:03] <johnny77> aveilleux, Thanks that is what I was wondering.
[01:04] <aveilleux> fitsnugly: Evidently that's just a message stating that the system clock is unreliable -- for example, in variable-speed CPUs (such as those with AMD Cool 'n' Quiet or Intel's SpeedStep)
[01:04] <aveilleux> fitsnugly: Just pastebin the output of dmesg |tail, please
[01:04] <aveilleux> !pastebin | fitsnugly
[01:04] <ubot2> fitsnugly: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[01:04] <fitsnugly> http://pastebin.com/AiePSmhN
[01:07] <fitsnugly> it hangs every time I try to compile Android at random times... could be 2 minutes, could be 45
[01:07] <aveilleux> fitsnugly: It sounds like it's a problem with the Android compilation, because I don't see anything here that's a problem
[01:08] <fitsnugly> frustrating because i can't see what's causing the error to fix it...
[01:09] <fitsnugly> i was able to compile android when I was on 9.10, i recently clean installed 10.10 and nothing but hangs
[01:10] <aveilleux> fitsnugly: 9.10 to 10.10? That's an odd jump. Normally people who miss releases go from LTS to LTS, which are even-numbered *.04 releases (ie. 8.04, 10.04)
[01:11] <fitsnugly> i usually run windows ... i didn't bother with ubuntu for a long time and decided to clean install 10.10 when it came out
[01:11] <aveilleux> fitsnugly: ah, fair 'nuff.
[01:12] <fitsnugly> i usually grab nightly builds of CM... but when the buildbot died for a week I decided to compile it myself
[01:13] <fitsnugly> and now it's to the point it's pissing me off why i can't figure it out ;)
[01:13] <aveilleux> fitsnugly: I don't know much about Android, what kind of build environment is required?
[01:15] <fitsnugly> and my linux skill level is on the upper end on newb.  i can get around (with tons of google help), but can't diagnose much
[01:15] <fitsnugly> I used this tutorial: http://goo.gl/RY4Z
[01:15] <fitsnugly> 64bit
[01:17] <aveilleux> fitsnugly: You should run on 32-bit, since (I noticed this) the 64-bit part of the guide just tells you to also include the 32-bit compatibility libraries.
[01:18] <johnny77> I'm getting a message every time I boot that says Ubuntu One is full. I never signed up for an account. How can I disable this?
[01:18] <aveilleux> fitsnugly: Take out that small complication, and it'll be easier to diagnose any problem.
[01:18] <aveilleux> johnny77: System > Preferences > Startup Applications, disable Ubuntu One
[01:18] <fitsnugly> so reinstall 32bit? ugh.
[01:19] <johnny77> aveilleux, some times it seems just too easy :)
[01:19] <aveilleux> fitsnugly: I don't entirely want to make you do that, but since Android needs a 32-bit build environment, it would make things just less complex overall
[01:20] <fitsnugly> seems odd that others can compile it in 64bit tho?
[01:21] <aveilleux> 'fitsnugly: It seems odd as well, but this person also only used the Beta and not the final release. Things have changed since the beta.
[01:24] <fitsnugly> well thanks for your time...
[01:42] <stlsaint> yo yo yo
[02:38] <johnny77> I've been using Ubuntu for a couple of weeks doing common desktop activities. I know few basic, but want to learn some more. Maybe help somewhere. Do any of you have a suggestion as where to start?
[02:42] <stlsaint> johnny77: the forums
[02:42] <stlsaint> johnny77: best place to give support
[02:42] <stlsaint> and in here of course ;)
[02:46] <johnny77> stlsaint, where would you suggest to go to learn some more beginner level stuff?
[02:47] <stlsaint> johnny77: head over to the ubuntu forums
[02:47] <stlsaint> johnny77: ubuntuforums.org
[02:47] <stlsaint> start
[02:47] <stlsaint> there
[02:48] <stlsaint> in the beginners section with learning the fixes that people give for issues and then start giving some from your own experience
[03:10] <johnny77> stlsaint, thank you.
[03:12] <stlsaint> johnny77: np
[03:28] <harrisonk> stlsaint: hello
[06:10] <pjcbaseball> quit
[08:31] <LeMoiLib> Hello world! My USB drive are not mounted automatically any more. But using the disk utility I can mount them there! What is going? How can I make my system mounting automatically again?
[08:39] <LeMoiLib> Could not launch Adobe Reader 9.3.4. Please make sure it exists in PATH variable in the environment. If the problem persists, please reinstall the application. Where is PATH??????
[08:44] <bioterror> is it hard drive?
[08:45] <bioterror> you have to add it to the fstab
[08:45] <bioterror> and what comes to Adobe Reader, is it in a correct place like /usr/local/bin or something like that
[08:45] <bioterror> /usr/bin
[08:55] <tdn> I have recorded some videos with my digital camera. What program can I use to edit the video clips?
[08:55] <tdn> Kubuntu 10.04 LTS.
[08:57] <bioterror> I've tried editing videos with linux and it's pain in the ass, there's no tool that like OS X's tools
[08:58] <LeMoiLib> Hi bio! What is fstab?
[08:58] <bioterror> cat /etc/fstab
[08:58] <LeMoiLib> and then should I edit it?
[08:58] <bioterror> yes
[08:58] <LeMoiLib> with?
[08:59] <bioterror> what ever you use as your text editor
[08:59] <bioterror> gedit, leafpad, nano, vi, vim
[08:59] <LeMoiLib> yes, no that! What should I edit?
[09:00] <bioterror> aeh, I cannot get access to my home network so I could show you an example
[09:00] <bioterror> but you can see your default drive from there
[09:00] <LeMoiLib> ok let me try that!
[09:01] <bioterror> UUID=<insert  your usb-drive's UUID> mountpoint fstype 0 2
[09:01] <bioterror> if I remember right
[09:01] <LeMoiLib> is the cathope so!
[09:01] <bioterror> UUID=1231231-123123123-123123-13123 /media/Warez ext4 0 2
[09:01] <bioterror> something like that
[09:02] <LeMoiLib> is cat a command?
[09:02] <bioterror> cat shows you the file
[09:02] <bioterror> in terminal
[09:03] <LeMoiLib> this is the file
[09:03] <LeMoiLib> # /etc/fstab: static file system information.
[09:03] <LeMoiLib> #
[09:03] <LeMoiLib> # Use 'blkid -o value -s UUID' to print the universally unique identifier
[09:03] <LeMoiLib> # for a device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name
[09:03] <LeMoiLib> # devices that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
[09:03] <bioterror> UUID kicks ass
[09:04] <LeMoiLib> what???
[09:05] <nlsthzn> LeMoiLib: Have a read here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB might solve your issue ;)
[09:05] <bioterror> I added week ago one pata drive to my desktop and I use sata drives. that pata drive is recognized as /dev/sda now and UUID saved my day becouse my original /dev/sda is now /dev/sdb
[09:06] <LeMoiLib> I don't understand the jargon!!!!!
[09:06] <LeMoiLib> I browse before landing here, but thing looks to alien for me
[09:09] <LeMoiLib> bio I'm up reading your link!....
[09:10] <LeMoiLib> Any suggestion for the Adobe PATH thing???
[09:12] <nlsthzn> LeMoiLib: As far as I can tell you will have to add the path to where the application is installed in a file called .bashrc which I assume is in your home directory... let me investigate further and get back to you...
[09:14] <LeMoiLib> While you are at that, I wish to know how to install software like that directly in /usr/local/ ? That might be the issue!
[09:15] <nlsthzn> LeMoiLib: Did you install from a .deb or compile from source?
[09:15] <LeMoiLib> I install form a bin that I downloaded!
[09:16] <LeMoiLib> I also install some other stuff from source but all of them out of /usr/local because I don't know how!
[09:18] <tdn> How do I allow some specific commands to be run with sudo without asking for password, while having other commands require passwords?
[09:19] <nlsthzn> LeMoiLib: I have maybe compiled from source once so I don't have the knowledge but AFAIK it has something to do with editing the make file or something before running the configuration script or some such but I am not sure...
[09:20] <nlsthzn> LeMoiLib: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/3199 link has someone adding a PATH variable to there .bashrc file, have a look and try that and see how it goes :)
[09:22] <nlsthzn> tdn: Run man sudo in a terminal and read the description, explains nicely
[09:23] <LeMoiLib> Thanks,!
[09:29] <tdn> nlsthzn, I just did that. I have not gotten much nearer a solution. Actually this documentation looks more like being about how to use the sudo command more than how to configure it.
[09:29] <tdn> nlsthzn, can you provide an example?
[09:31] <nlsthzn> AFAIK you will always need to give a password for sudo, except if you have given one in the last 15 minutes by default then it isn't required (from the Description)
[09:33] <nlsthzn> tdn: Hope you figure something out, I got to run... cheers all
[09:34] <tdn> nlsthzn, it is, at least possible to specify a NOPASSWD option.
[09:34] <tdn> nlsthzn, I just want this to apply only for specific commands.
[10:58] <shahan> Hello
[13:05] <jappie> I am trying to install java Version 6 Update 22. I downloaded it, copied the file to /usr/java, verified that I have the right permissions (and right file size 20.2 mb) set but when I run the file I get this message: "./jre-6u22-linux-i586.bin: 86: ./install.sfx.6187: not found Failed to extract the files."
[13:17] <nlsthzn> jappie: What file did you download, a deb?
[13:17] <jappie> no a bin file
[13:18] <jappie> the "Linux self extracting binary file"
[13:20] <nlsthzn> You are running Ubuntu I assume?
[13:22] <jappie> yes I am running 10.10
[13:23] <bioterror> jappie, enable canical partner from the sources
[13:23] <bioterror> and then dpkg -l |grep openjdk
[13:23] <bioterror> remove all the openjdk files and then sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre,bin,plugins,fonts
[13:23] <bioterror> canonical partner
[13:23] <jappie> bioterror, how do I do this?
[13:24] <bioterror> from the software sources
[13:24] <jappie> in the synaptic manager?
[13:24] <bioterror> yes
[13:25] <nlsthzn> Version 6b18-1.8 is in the software center by default...
[13:26] <bioterror> ii  sun-java6-jre                         6.22-0ubuntu1~10.04                             Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture ind
[13:26] <jappie> bioterror: do I run this command in Terminal? "dpkg -l |grep openjdk" ?
[13:26] <bioterror> jappie, yes
[13:26] <bioterror> it lists what openjdk softwares you have installed already
[13:26] <bioterror> and you can remove them
[13:26] <bioterror> becouse openjdk and sun-java doesnt work together
[13:27] <bioterror> you can have only one
[13:29] <jappie> bioterror: can I remove them through synaptic?
[13:29] <bioterror> you can
[13:29] <bioterror> and install
[13:29] <bioterror> if that's easier for you
[13:29] <bioterror> but you have to enable those software sources
[13:32] <jappie> bioterror: I have removed the openjdk packages and it is automatically downloading java 6...
[13:33] <bioterror> sun-java-6?
[13:33] <bioterror> sun-java6-?
[13:33] <jappie> yes, sun-java-6-bin
[13:33] <bioterror> nice
[13:33] <bioterror> there you go
[13:33] <jappie> I still need to enable it?
[13:34] <bioterror> no need to touch that that .deb file from the site
[13:34] <bioterror> usually you find from synaptic everything you need
[13:34] <bioterror> http://www.macrumors.com/2010/10/22/steve-jobs-comments-on-apples-java-discontinuation/ read that while you're enjoying your fresh java on linux ;)
[13:36] <bioterror> mmm.. fresh cup of java... ;)
[13:36] <nlsthzn> just for my own enlightenment, why use sun java over open jave?
[13:36] <nlsthzn> *java
[13:36] <bioterror> nlsthzn, becouse propietary java works
[13:36] <bioterror> and openjdk doesnt
[13:37] <bioterror> I'm using danske bank as my bank and they use java in login applet
[13:37] <bioterror> gues what: OpenJDK crashes
[13:37] <bioterror> but propietary works
[13:37] <nlsthzn> bioterror: Makes sense, thx (now I understand why I have not been able to get Minecraft to work :D )
[13:38] <jappie> bioterror: I have the same problem with my online banking.
[13:38] <jappie> bioterror: I restarted firefox aand went to the test page but Java is not enabled. So I went to firefox preferences/advanced but there is nothing there to enable java...any idea?
[13:39] <bioterror> it is enable instantly when it's instantly
[13:39] <bioterror> installed
[13:40] <bioterror> restart your browser
[13:43] <jappie> bioterror: I restarted but java is still not running..
[13:44] <bioterror> did you install -plugin, bin, jre and fonts?
[13:44] <jappie> bioterror: hold on: I need to install additional plugin....I let you know if this is it, ok!
[13:44] <bioterror> sun-java6-plugin
[13:44] <bioterror> you need that one too
[13:44] <bioterror> http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
[13:44] <bioterror> then you hit yourself to that page
[13:49] <jappie> bioterror: thanks! Now it runs great!
[13:49] <bioterror> np
[13:49] <bioterror> easy like a sunday morning
[13:49] <jappie> nlsthzn: thankx to u2!
[13:49] <nlsthzn> jappie: All thx to bioterror, we both learnt something new :)
[13:50]  * bioterror bows :D
[13:54] <jappie> bioterror: If I want to update the jave (it tells me update available) can I just run:  sudo apt-get update sun-java6-jre,bin,plugins,fonts ?
[13:55] <nlsthzn> jappie: That will update only if those packages that is in the repo's have been updated, and seeing as you just installed I would doubt it...
[13:56] <jappie> Ok, so How can I update? or will it do this automatically?
[13:58] <nlsthzn> bio!  Where is he when one needs him (oh, away... great)... I don't think so... how ever once the repo gets an update and you run apt-get update it will be available...
[14:07] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[14:08] <nlsthzn> Silver_Fox_: Hi, so whats the problem :D
[14:08] <Silver_Fox_> Problem?
[14:10] <nlsthzn> Silver_Fox_: lol, just asking if there is anything that you need assistance with (sorry, wrong wording on my part).
[14:10] <Silver_Fox_> Oh I see, I have no technical problems.
[14:14] <nlsthzn> Silver_Fox_: Any non-technical problems?
[14:14] <Silver_Fox_> No.
[14:21] <johnny77> If I uninstall something will it automatically remove the items from the software sources?
[15:14] <nlsthzn> johnny77: I am not quite understanding what you mean, but uninstalling an application from a certain software source doesn't alter the software sources that are enabled, and also won't alter what sofware is available in those sources AFAIK (sorry for the late reply, had some shopping to do)
[15:16] <johnny77> nlsthzn, So when I installed google chrome it added a repository to the software sources. If i now uninstall google chrome, i will have to manualy go in and remove the software source.
[15:18] <nlsthzn> AFAIK... but that is easy, System->Administration->Software Sources
[15:18] <hobgoblin> johnny77: yep
[15:18] <hobgoblin> I'd also be less than amused if installing something added a repo
[15:19] <nlsthzn> Normally, the user has to add the repo or allow it to be added before it can be
[15:20] <johnny77> hobgoblin, why? shouldn't they always add this so that I can stay updated?
[15:21] <nlsthzn> johnny77: Adding a repo without you knowing would be an issue
[15:22] <johnny77> nlsthzn, Understand I'm a new ubuntu user. Please explain why this would be an issue.
[15:24] <hobgoblin> if I add a repository to my sources list I am in control of what can be installed to my system, hence I can trust what happens - if installing an application does so they are in control and I cannot trust my sources
[15:24] <nlsthzn> I would suspect that keeping tabs on all your system updates becomes an issue the more repo's there are (I am also still new but I am pretty sure having the wrong repo's enabled would put your system more at risk of exploitation etc. but I stand corrected) plus what hobgoblin said :D
[15:26] <hobgoblin> though at some point you have to trust that the repo you add is trustworthy :)
[15:26] <nlsthzn> ... or have no more software :D
[15:26] <johnny77> hobgoblin, But it would be ok, for the company to be upfront, saying this will add to your repos, right? Then you could choose whether to install.
[15:26] <hobgoblin> I tend to only add ppa's anyway - and they are not uncommon ones so it would soon show up
[15:27] <hobgoblin> johnny77: well yes at that point you have the choice - I would just rather add the source if I want to and ten install the software
[15:27] <hobgoblin> just willy nilly installing things ends up being the same as windows with no real trust involved
[15:28] <johnny77> hobgoblin, maybe that is my problem, still have that stupid windows mentality. :)
[15:28] <hobgoblin> :)
[15:33] <johnny77> hobgoblin, So I should always be aware of what is in the software repos and know what they are for. Duly noted.
[15:33]  * nlsthzn thinks that learning has taken place :)
[15:36] <hobgoblin> johnny77: only if you actually want to take control of your machine :D
[15:37] <hobgoblin> I'd agree nlsthzn
[15:37] <johnny77> hobgoblin, I can't be completely in control; i'm still dual-booting with windows. :)
[15:45] <hobgoblin> you can be completely in control of windows as well - just not so easy to do
[15:46] <nlsthzn> hobgoblin: I think you can think you are completely in control ;)
[15:47] <hobgoblin> nlsthzn: I do not like omgubuntu at all
[15:47] <hobgoblin> and that lp blueprint is written by a child troll :)
[15:48] <nlsthzn> hobgoblin: :) where did the omgubuntu statement come from?
[15:48] <hobgoblin> I assume that you are the same nlsthzn as the nlsthzn on the forum - I was just reading the unity thread
[15:50] <nlsthzn> hobgoblin: :D that's what I thought (but I was like, what is the chances, I just posted there two minutes ago)
[15:50] <hobgoblin> I am trolling the cafe looking for bad peoples :)
[15:52] <nlsthzn> :) second question, sorry, Ip blueprint?
[15:54] <hobgoblin> what the thread is actually all about - launchpad blueprint to use unity - at which point I will give up using ubuntu - instead of gnome
[16:02] <hobgoblin> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-desktop-n-specialized-unity-form-factor
[16:02] <nlsthzn> Oh ok... I didn't even bother to read it, the OP is a kid from the same country that hit me with the link to his thread in IM and asked my opinion...
[16:02] <hobgoblin> I have refrained from posting in it :)
[16:02] <nlsthzn> hobgoblin: Just got a heads up in Facebook (yes, sad I know) that it is now Official that Unity will ship with 11.04... Ubuntu 11.04 will ship the Unity environment by default - more details and clarity at http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/10/25/ubuntu-11-04-to-ship-unity/ - this is going to rock! @jonobacon
[16:02] <nlsthzn> site doesn't want to load for me
[16:04] <hobgoblin> then I'll not be using ubuntu then ...
[16:05] <bioterror> nlsthzn, you got it right
[16:05] <johnny77> I hope i'm not interrupting, but unity is the new UNR enterface right?
[16:07] <nlsthzn> johnny77: Yes, the one shipping with 10.10
[16:07] <johnny77> nlsthzn, now they are going to use that with desktop too?
[16:08] <hobgoblin> I'd much rather have gnome3 working
[16:09] <nlsthzn> johnny77: There has been a rumour going around it will be considered... now there is a rumour going around it will ship with 11.04 (I doubt it will and hope not)
[16:10] <johnny77> Gnome is the term for the desktop environment, right? Sorry for the stupid questions, but i'm not sure of all the terms yet.
[16:12] <hobgoblin> johnny77: yes ubuntu uses gnome, kubuntu - kde, xubuntu - xfce and lubuntu uses lxde
[16:14] <johnny77> hobgoblin, so if Ubuntu replaces gnome with unity in 11.04 (thats the rumor right?), then because I hate Unity, I can still use ubuntu, but with a derivative.
[16:14] <nlsthzn> johnny77: Ubuntu was using Gnome, so if they go with Unity there will have to be a new derivative to use standard Gnome... which would be called something else...
[16:15] <nlsthzn> Gubuntu or some such :)
[16:15] <johnny77> nlsthzn, could they just drop it?
[16:15] <hobgoblin> oh lord nooooooo - I hate that gubuntu thread ;)
[16:17] <nlsthzn> johnny77: Well, technically Unity is still Gnome, just mutilated... and sure, the creators of Ubuntu can do what they want I guess
[16:17] <nlsthzn> hobgoblin: Lol
[16:17] <nlsthzn> http://techhaze.com/2010/05/gnome-shell-and-unity-the-future-ubuntu-interfaces/ some light reading
[16:19] <hobgoblin> I fuse to read it - I'z trolling now :D
[16:19] <nlsthzn> Got to keep in mind that Unity is a Ubuntu thing, and might alienate Ubuntu even more from the other distro's and Gnome... maybe thats what they want?!
[16:25] <nlsthzn> Another link to say Ubuntu moving away from the standard Gnome http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/10/25/ubuntu-11-04-to-ship-unity/
[16:26] <aveilleux> nlsthzn, The phrase "standard GNOME" is an oxymoron
[16:27] <johnny77> Let me get this straight. In reality Ubuntu refers more to the kernel. And Ubuntu just happened to be using gnome while the other distros were being made. So Ubuntu has almost been synonymous with gnome. But now if they are moving away from gnome then Ubuntu will refer to Unity and a distro will be made for gnome.
[16:27] <nlsthzn> aveilleux: Standard Gnome - Also known as default Debian :D
[16:28] <nlsthzn> johnny77: lol, give me a sec, you almost got it but not quite
[16:28] <aveilleux> nlsthzn, Debian is not affiliated with GNOME. GNOME is just a desktop environment, it can be configured however you want. Red Hat, for example, ships with a modified GNOME interface as well.
[16:29] <aveilleux> johnny77, "Ubuntu" does not refer to the kernel. Linux is the kernel. Ubuntu is a distribution, a collection of software (most of which is composed by GNU).
[16:29] <nlsthzn> aveilleux: Was joking, just pointing out that you won't get closer to a "Standard" gnome look than a default Debian install... I am well aware of the differences ;)
[16:29] <aveilleux> johnny77, GNOME is just a desktop environment, it's a graphical shell placed on top of the tty shells (text-mode).
[16:30] <aveilleux> johnny77, Ubuntu used GNOME by default, and other derivatives were made to include other DEs (the "K" in Kubuntu refers to KDE, the desktop environment used in Kubuntu)
[16:31] <johnny77> ok, thanks I understand now.
[16:31] <aveilleux> I'l be supremely disappointed if Unity ships default with the next version of Ubuntu. It's AWFUL.
[16:33] <johnny77> nlsthzn, You mentioned something about alienation?
[16:34] <nlsthzn> johnny77: I did?
[16:35] <johnny77> Got to keep in mind that Unity is a Ubuntu thing, and might alienate Ubuntu even more from the other distro's and Gnome... maybe thats what they want?
[16:35] <johnny77> don't know if quoting is a feature...
[16:36] <aveilleux> johnny77, You mean quoting on IRC? No, but you can always copy/paste :-P
[16:37] <nlsthzn> Oh, yes, Ubuntu has gotten a lot of fire from other entities in the open source world that they don't give enough back and only takes... now they have possibly branched off even further doing there own thing and I am sure some wil not like this
[16:47] <johnny77> Canonical is the company behind Ubuntu right? They make the decisions?
[16:48] <aveilleux> johnny77, Yes
[17:00] <newboon2age> then again, maybe others will like Unity and adopt it.  after all its pretty slick. johnny77, nlsthzn
[17:01] <newboon2age> aveilleux: you don't like Unity?
[17:01] <aveilleux> newboon2age, Not at all
[17:01] <nlsthzn> newboon2age: From what I have heard Unity sucks big time...
[17:01] <johnny77> newboon2age, i hate it.
[17:01] <newboon2age> i was impressed with it so far.  what don't you like?
[17:01] <aveilleux> newboon2age, It's extremely sluggish, for me. Also, I strongly dislike that Unity takes over my panels, so I can't configure them properly
[17:02] <aveilleux> newboon2age, Plus, it just feels like I turned "baby mode" on... like the system was designed for children
[17:03] <newboon2age> it looks like its designed for touchpad.  a uPad perhaps?
[17:04] <aveilleux> newboon2age, Also, when I try to run it virtualized it complains that I don't have the proper driver installed and tells me to choose GNOME, leading me to believe that Unity *requires* hardware acceleration. This will most definitely turn off many users.
[17:06] <newboon2age> someboday said right now Unity requires mutter.
[17:06] <nlsthzn> aveilleux: In the speech of Mark's he apparently hinted that Unity will only be avaiable to those that meet the hardware requirements (3D etc. I assume)
[17:06] <aveilleux> nlsthzn, That frustrates me.
[17:07] <aveilleux> nlsthzn, That implies that Ubuntu should only be for those whose hardware supports new technologies, something that has been indicative of more... proprietary operating systems
[17:07] <aveilleux> nlsthzn, Ubuntu being able to run flawlessly on older hardware is one of my key selling points when I talk to people about GNU/Linux.
[17:08] <newboon2age> aveilleux: agreed
[17:08] <nlsthzn> aveilleux: It may mean that you could get a traditional Gnome desktop if you want ;)
[17:10] <aveilleux> nlsthzn, I'm sure you can; you always have been able to choose what DE you want. One of the important aspects of my project is that you get to choose a DE before installation.
[17:11] <nlsthzn> aveilleux: What I mean is, rather than getting a "Unity" Gnome installation you get something closer to the current Gnome interfaces... and it is still official etc.
[17:11] <Alexandermag89> Hi, I am trying to boot Ubuntu 10.10 off of my thumb drive from a mac. Can anybody help me?
[17:12] <nlsthzn> Alexandermag89: Hi, Did you follow the instructions on the ubnuntu web site to make sure the USB is bootable?
[17:13] <Alexandermag89> Yeah, but when I restart and select the disk to boot off of, it only shows my Mac Hd and my thumb drive is absent
[17:14] <nlsthzn> In the Bios you should be able to select USB as an option to boot from
[17:14] <aveilleux> nlsthzn, Macs work differently.
[17:15] <aveilleux> Alexandermag89, How did you create the Flash drive?
[17:15] <nlsthzn> aveilleux: That is what I was afraid off...
[17:15] <Alexandermag89> Through terminal
[17:15] <aveilleux> nlsthzn, Expecting a Mac to conform to standards? Madness
[17:15] <aveilleux> Alexandermag89, You used the dd command?
[17:15] <Alexandermag89> sudo dd...
[17:16] <nlsthzn> aveilleux: Even though they now use standard hardware... would have thought that the Bios was pretty similar
[17:16] <aveilleux> nlsthzn, Of course not, they use EFI.
[17:16] <Alexandermag89> I converted it to a .img.dmg file, I think that it just uses the .dmg
[17:18] <Alexandermag89> Is there any way that a thumb drive cannot be seen as a disk when booting? Like if it doesen't have the correct files/file types?
[17:18] <nlsthzn> aveilleux: Cool, learnt something new... good wiki article on EFI ;)
[17:21] <nlsthzn> Alexandermag89: http://www.webupd8.org/2009/04/4-ways-to-create-bootable-live-usb.html See this, might work for you
[17:21] <Alexandermag89> Thank you
[17:22] <aveilleux> Alexandermag89, When I made a boot USB drive, I didn't need to convert it to a dmg
[17:22] <aveilleux> Alexandermag89, If anything, converting to a dmg probably broke it
[17:23] <nlsthzn> Was fun and I learned a lot, thanks all
[17:24] <Alexandermag89> Well when you run "hdiutil convert -format UDRW -o ~/path/to/target.img ~/path/to/ubuntu.iso" it converts it into a .img, but OSX adds .dmg
[17:30] <Alexandermag89> If i just delete the converted file, and reformat the thumb drive, will it be back to how it was before I started?
[18:10] <DiegoTc> ping Silver_Fox_
[18:11] <Silver_Fox_> Sorry, slightly busy DiegoTc . Talk later.
[18:11] <DiegoTc> okay Silver_Fox_
[18:11] <DiegoTc> guys I got a little(huge) trouble with the grub
[18:12] <hobgoblin> hi DiegoTc
[18:12] <DiegoTc> I was trying to recover the grub after a windows instalation https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[18:12] <DiegoTc> and now i get the problem that no grub appears :( no windows neither ubuntu
[18:12] <hobgoblin> and what has happened?
[18:12] <DiegoTc> only a black screen
[18:13] <DiegoTc> with a little white line
[18:14] <hobgoblin> DiegoTc: did you just do it the once - or did you go back and try again?
[18:14] <DiegoTc> i did it 2 times
[18:14] <DiegoTc> i thought something went wrong
[18:15] <DiegoTc> I was thing to solve the problem if i removed the grub completely from the live cd
[18:15] <DiegoTc> and then
[18:15] <DiegoTc> install it again
[18:15] <DiegoTc> but i am not sure about that
[18:16] <hobgoblin> you in the livecd now?
[18:16] <DiegoTc> yeap
[18:18] <hobgoblin> I gotta go - just got a call - but quickly - which method did you use to reinstall it?
[18:18] <DiegoTc> hobgoblin: SIMPLEST - Copy GRUB 2 Files from the LiveCD
[18:19] <DiegoTc> that one
[18:19] <hobgoblin> ok - I have only ever used the chroot method - worked for me
[18:20] <hobgoblin> but I would check then if the grub files are actually on the mounted partrition if you did it the other way - mount it and then   ls /mnt/whatever/boot/grub
[18:20] <hobgoblin> DiegoTc: obviously change /mnt/whatever to where you mount it - sorry I have to go now - will be back a bit later though
[18:55] <johnny77> In Ubuntu gnome is there a way to get your workspaces to be a dropdown list instead of the four horizontal boxes>
[19:23] <hobgoblin> johnny77: not that I am aware of - though if you know what workspaces you have you don't actually have to have the workspace switcher on the panel - as long as you remember how to get to them :) I only use 2 and have them on alt+f1 and f2
[19:23] <bioterror> I use alt+arrows left n right
[19:24] <bioterror> ctlr+alt + arrows
[19:42] <bodhizazen> Anyone want to see a "live" demo of my new style for my web pages ?
[19:42] <bodhizazen> http://blog.bodhizazen.net/Table/iptables.html
[19:42] <bodhizazen> Does not support IE
[19:44] <aveilleux> naturally
[19:52] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[19:53] <bioterror> hi
[20:34] <maheanuu> IaOra from the Sacred Isle....   Boy am I having probs this morning, seems the harder I work the loster I get
[20:35] <maheanuu> I am trying to copy or move a folder (Downloads) to an external drive I prefer to move it rather than do a copy but I, for the life of me cannot seem to do either
[20:36] <slidinghorn> maheanuu, in a terminal (Applications > Accessories > Terminal) type  sudo mv original/file new/file
[20:36] <aveilleux> maheanuu, If you press and hold Ctrl as you drag the folder into the external drive's directory, then it will move instead of copy.
[20:36] <maheanuu> I am told that It is a read only file and I do not have permission, I have tried to change permission and no joy
[20:37] <maheanuu> Hang on lemme try that
[20:39] <maheanuu> Nope still not working still need permission changes
[20:40] <slidinghorn> maheanuu, what are you trying to move?
[20:40] <aveilleux> maheanuu, The drive may have not been mounted properly
[20:41] <maheanuu> Some photos, videos and music files nothing that should be "read only"
[20:42] <maheanuu> It is showing as /dev/sdb1
[20:43] <slidinghorn> maheanuu, you can try adding a -f modifier to the mv command
[20:43] <aveilleux> maheanuu, what is the name of the directory? (as in, where is it mounted in /media?)
[20:43] <maheanuu> I am working with a bunch of island kids and we're sorta in the blind leadin the blind stage working on linux (Ubuntu) I am the only person on this island using linux (and not very well yet)
[20:46] <maheanuu> the directory is named Downloads1
[20:47] <maheanuu> sorry got pulled away by family for a min there
[20:48] <maheanuu> What I really need is a beginners instruction manual that I can work my way thru and also teach the kids around here to use also, we have about an 80% unemployment ratio for the island
[20:49] <aveilleux> maheanuu, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual
[20:50] <maheanuu> It is in /home/maheanuu/Downloads1
[20:51] <slidinghorn> maheanuu, what about the path to the external drive?
[20:51] <maheanuu> Is that what you wanted Aveilleux?
[20:52] <aveilleux> maheanuu, No, I wanted to know where the drive is mounted. It should be something like /media/*
[20:52] <maheanuu> It is showing /dev/sdb1
[20:53] <maheanuu> I am beginning to think that i'm TSTO
[20:53] <aveilleux> maheanuu, Then the drive was not mounted properly. Open up Terminal for me (Applications > Accessories > Terminal) and type the following command:
[20:53] <slidinghorn> maheanuu, you're not...we were all beginners at one point.  Linux systems are a continual learning process :)
[20:53] <maheanuu> term is up
[20:54] <maheanuu> not seeing any command ave
[20:54] <aveilleux> sudo umount /dev/sdb1 && sudo mkdir /media/usbdrive && sudo mount -o rw /dev/sdb1 /mount/usbdevice
[20:56] <slidinghorn> maheanuu, a quick explaination of that command:   unmount sdb1.  (&& = and then) make a directory called /media/usbdrive (and then) mount everything in /dev/sdb1 to /mount/usbdevice
[20:56] <maheanuu> maheanuu@maheanuu:~$ sudo umount /dev/sdb1 && sudo mkdir /media/usbdrive && sudo mount -o rw /dev/sdb1 /mount/usbdevice
[20:56] <maheanuu> [sudo] password for maheanuu:
[20:56] <maheanuu> mount: mount point /mount/usbdevice does not exist
[20:56] <maheanuu> Now what???
[20:57] <aveilleux> !pastebin | maheanuu
[20:57] <ubot2> maheanuu: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[20:57] <aveilleux> Shoot. I mistyped the command.
[20:57] <slidinghorn> maheanuu, oh, he accidentally used 2 different names....type sudo mount -o rw /dev/sdb1 /media/usbdrive
[20:57] <slidinghorn> instead of /media/usbdevice
[20:58] <aveilleux> slidinghorn, maheanuu, yes the device name is important to get exactly right
[20:58] <aveilleux> maheanuu, so now just type:
[20:58] <aveilleux> sudo mount -o rw /dev/sdb1 /media/usbdriv
[21:00] <maheanuu> Ok it is mounted now but still I cannot move or copy files as it is telling me that I do NOT have permission
[21:00] <maheanuu> I have tried to change permission in the gui but nada, rien
[21:01] <maheanuu> I have to learn the terminal, I used to be really good at dos, but then doze came along and like a fool I continued down the evil path
[21:02] <aveilleux> maheanuu, that's odd. What kind of drive is it?
[21:03] <maheanuu> It is a seagate free agent that I have removed their stuff from and reformatted and partitioned so that I can use it as a portable storage unit
[21:03] <maheanuu> My download directory is on my sda drive
[21:04] <maheanuu> it is a notebook sized 250gig sata
[21:06] <maheanuu> Aha, it is telling me that I am not the owner and am not allowed to change permissions now....
[21:06] <maheanuu> I just  brought the drive up in properties
[21:07] <slidinghorn> aha!  sudo chown <newowner>
[21:09] <aveilleux> maheanuu, sudo chown /media/usbdrive <your_user_name>
[21:12] <aveilleux> er
[21:12] <aveilleux> maheanuu, sudo chown <your_user_name> /media/usbdrive
[21:19] <maheanuu> It is now telling me that Operation Not permitted
[21:20] <maheanuu> I have it formatted as NTFS as most of the people here are using windoze
[21:21] <maheanuu> with the exception of the very, very few mac users
[21:21] <maheanuu> This is what I typed   sudo chown maheanuu /media/usbdrive
[21:23] <aveilleux> maheanuu, Ohhh..... NTFS drives are buggy under Ubuntu....
[21:23] <aveilleux> maheanuu, try this:
[21:24] <aveilleux> sudo umount /dev/sdb1 &&  sudo mount -t ntfs3g -o rw /dev/sdb1 /mount/usbdevice
[21:32] <Mjiig> hello, does anyone know of a place on a standard ubuntu install that I could extract a large wordlist to use in programs (plain text, xml or whatever)
[21:36] <aveilleux> Mjiig, Does it matter what program is using it? Because your home folder would work fine in this case.
[21:37] <Mjiig> sorry, i wasn't clear, I meant does ubuntu come with a word list in a file that's on a standard install
[21:38] <aveilleux> Mjiig, Again, what program
[21:39] <Mjiig> programs that i write myself in C plus the python and ruby interpreters
[21:40] <aveilleux> Mjiig, text files can reside anywhere. I don't know of anything that you are referring to... I suppose I just don't understand what you mean by "word list"
[21:42] <Mjiig> how can i put this... There are programs in ubuntu that must have a dictionary to operate, i wondered if this came from a file somewhere in the system folders. If it is I could make use of it.
[21:42] <aveilleux> Mjiig, There are dictionary files used by OpenOffice, they're not standard in Linux though. They're application-specific.
[21:45] <bodhizazen> Mjiig: a dictionary or a library ?
[21:46] <bodhizazen> you want a dictionary, like ispell ?
[21:46] <Mjiig> bodhizazen: a dictionary
[21:46] <bodhizazen> dictionary for what ?
[21:46] <bodhizazen> spell checking ?
[21:47] <bodhizazen> I can not tell if you are asking for a library, the way you are asking about programming
[21:47] <aveilleux> bodhizazen, I think they want a dictionary library
[21:47] <Mjiig> sorry, i literally mean a list of words in the English language
[21:47] <aveilleux> bodhizazen, something like aspell
[21:48] <Mjiig> bodhizazen: just found what i want
[21:49] <bodhizazen> Mjiig: what was it ?
[21:50] <Mjiig> bodhizazen: /usr/share/dict/words
[21:58] <slidinghorn> hey zkriesse how are you
[21:59] <zkriesse> hallo slidinghorn Im ok
[21:59] <slidinghorn> (-team)
[22:15] <johnny77> I'm trying to find a way to take the horizontal workspace switcher and make it vertical like a drop down box. I found this applet, but wanted to let you guys check it out if that is ok. Just wanted to make sure I can trust it. http://bit.ly/cHV2vc
[22:16] <slidinghorn> johnny77, omgubuntu is usually a pretty trustworthy source -- I've never run into a problem in that area with them
[22:16] <aveilleux> johnny77, Looks fine to me
[22:18] <screaminbeman> can someone help me setup shared folders for use w/ my linux & virtural box (win xp)?
[22:18] <johnny77> Ok thanks, I was talking to a couple of people on here about being careful what you install.
[22:19] <aveilleux> screaminbeman, Which is which? Linux host or linux guest?
[22:19] <screaminbeman> avielleux, linux is host. i have win xp in virtural box.
[22:21] <aveilleux> screaminbeman, what is the name of the share?
[22:22] <screaminbeman> aveilleux, i don't have any shared folder yet.  i was told i need 1.  i am new @ this & don't know what to do to access my files in windows.
[22:23] <aveilleux> screaminbeman, first, turn off the XP guest if you haven't already
[22:24] <screaminbeman> aveilleux, i am shutting it down now
[22:24] <aveilleux> screaminbeman, once you've shut it off, open up the Settings
[22:25] <screaminbeman> aveilleux, are you talking about vbm settings?
[22:25] <aveilleux> screaminbeman, The virtual machine's settings, in virtulabox
[22:26] <screaminbeman> aveilleux, i opened the settings. now what?
[22:27] <aveilleux> screaminbeman, at the bottom of the sidebar there's an option for shared folders. Open that, and click the folder with a plus (+) icon next to it to add a new shared folder.
[22:28] <aveilleux> screaminbeman, hit the down arrow, and select "other..." and navigate to the folder you want to share (on the host machine) and hit Open.
[22:28] <aveilleux> screaminbeman, change the folder name to something that's easy (in the second box) and hit OK
[22:28] <aveilleux> screaminbeman, Then OK again, and now start the XP machine again
[22:29] <aveilleux> screaminbeman, Have you installed the VirtualBox Guest Additions? (in the guest machine)
[22:29] <screaminbeman> aveilleux, i have installed the guest additions.
[22:30] <aveilleux> screaminbeman, Okay, let me know when XP is up.
[22:30] <aveilleux> screaminbeman, What did you name the folder?
[22:31] <screaminbeman> aveilleux, i named folder on host as "Windows Files". Folder name for xp is "SharedFiles".  I have win xp running.
[22:32] <aveilleux> screaminbeman, Right-click My Computer and click "Map Network Drive"
[22:33] <aveilleux> screaminbeman, in the second box, put "\\vboxsvr\SharedFiles" without the quotes
[22:34] <aveilleux> screaminbeman, then his Finish. It might take a really long time to finish loading, Windows sharing is godawfully slow.
[22:36] <aveilleux> screaminbeman, if it takes too long, hit Cancel and then Finish again, it'll come right uop
[22:36] <aveilleux> up*
[22:36] <screaminbeman> aveilleux, can i access my flash drive in win xp also?
[22:37] <aveilleux> screaminbeman, Not with the version of VBox that's in the default Ubuntu repositories.
[22:38] <screaminbeman> aveilleux, how do i access the files on my flash drive thru win xp?
[22:38] <aveilleux> screaminbeman, You can add it as a shared folder, that's the easiest way
[22:39] <screaminbeman> aveilleux, do i use flash drive volume name as the folder name?
[22:39] <aveilleux> screaminbeman, It doesn't matter what the folder name is as long as it's unique. Or do you mean in the first box?
[22:40] <screaminbeman> aveilleux, i understand now.  THANK YOU very much for your help.
[23:26] <realeyes> hey guys i need some help with ubuntu 10.10
[23:26] <bioterror> what kind of
[23:26] <drubin> realeyes: Sure what is your question
[23:26] <realeyes> I switched from 10.04 and my grub or grub2 screen isnt recognizing it
[23:26] <realeyes> It says fatal error and failed to load before 10.10 comes up
[23:27] <realeyes> how do i update my grub/grub2 screen?
[23:27] <realeyes> i also have another question about my ethernet connection, it doesnt want to connect to it at all. I dont know if there is something wrong iwth my settings or something but it just stopped working overnight.
[23:28] <realeyes> AutoEth0 is a selection, but once I choose it it just says disconnected
[23:28] <realeyes> >:(
[23:31] <realeyes> ...
[23:33] <collinp> realeyes: If you are still here, I don't exactly have the time to try to assist you at the moment but I'll try to find someone that can.
[23:34] <realeyes> collinp: that'd be great man.
[23:34] <realeyes> I have no idea whats going on with it. It was working just a few days ago.
[23:35] <aveilleux> 'sup
[23:36] <collinp> aveilleux: Think you may be able to help realeyes with their issue?
[23:36] <drubin> realeyes: Are you in a live cd now?
[23:36] <realeyes> no.
[23:36] <collinp> Or that drubin guy over there.
[23:36] <aveilleux> collinp: I don't know what realeyes issue is, I just got back in here
[23:36] <realeyes> Im on a different PC because my linux machine will not connect
[23:37] <drubin> realeyes: Do you have a live cd?
[23:37] <realeyes> uhm, my first question was: How do I update grub2 in order to show Ubuntu 10.10? I just upgraded from 10.04
[23:37] <realeyes> No, I dont have a live CD.
[23:37] <drubin> realeyes: If you can't get to the grub screen sadly you are going to need a live cd.
[23:38] <realeyes> My other question is, why wont my machine connect to the internet? It wont connect on win7 either. Cord is in. Green light is on with orange flashing
[23:38] <drubin> unless people know of magic you can do before grub (but there is no OS loaded there)
[23:38] <realeyes> I can get to the grub screen, it just wont show 10.10, it shows my older versions
[23:38] <drubin> realeyes: your 2nd question might be firewall issue. Do you get an IP address?
[23:38] <realeyes> im dual booting win7 and 10.10
[23:39] <realeyes> Where would I find out if I get an IP or not?
[23:39] <drubin> realeyes: oo so you can log into your 10.04 then you can update grub from there.
[23:39] <realeyes> no i can log into my 10.10
[23:39] <realeyes> i dont have 10.04 anymore
[23:39] <drubin> realeyes: O you wont.
[23:40]  * realeyes c.c;
[23:40] <realeyes> uhhh
[23:41] <realeyes> yeah so... what should I do?
[23:41] <drubin> realeyes: Your no internet issue might be firewalls. to check if you get an IP you can go to network manager or you can type "ifconfig" with out the quotes in a terminal
[23:41] <drubin> realeyes: if windows and ubuntu can't get on the network it seems firewall (on you router) or hardware related though
[23:42] <realeyes> it has to be
[23:42] <realeyes> i typed "ifconfig" so now what should I be looking for?
[23:43] <drubin> inet addr:<stuff>  Bcast:<stuff>  Mask:<stuff>
 can be any thing
[23:45] <realeyes> inet6 addr: <something something>
[23:45] <realeyes> Come on guys, what should I do here? What am I looking for?
[23:45] <realeyes> does anyone here know how to update grub?
[23:46] <drubin> realeyes: why do you want to update grub? It lists 10.10 and windows no?
[23:46] <realeyes> It does not list 10.10
[23:46] <realeyes> it lists an older version of ubuntu and when i hit enter it says
[23:47] <realeyes> FATAL ERROR
[23:47] <realeyes> Failed to load
[23:47] <realeyes> generic 2.6.blah blah pae
[23:50] <realeyes> 2.6.35.22-generic-pae
[23:50] <realeyes> that is the old version
[23:50] <realeyes> and its listed four times
[23:51] <realeyes> gah this is no help
[23:52] <seidos> er, there's a grub guide somewhere, but i've never used it, because i've never needed it :/
[23:53] <seidos> realeyes, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[23:53] <seidos> realeyes, sudo update-grub?
[23:54] <drubin> realeyes: sorry I wasn't more help.