[01:59] <ScottL> holstein, now i think it's time for a meeting about the website :)
[02:52] <holstein> ScottL: cool
[02:53] <holstein> yeah
[02:53] <holstein> looks like we got a lot of themes to choose from 
[02:53] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TaskWebRevamp
[02:53] <holstein> and others right
[02:53] <holstein> ?
[03:11] <ScottL> well, just two "themes" on the web revamp wiki page really
[03:11] <ScottL> but they have really gotten much better
[03:34] <paultag> hey all
[03:34] <paultag> I hope all are doing well :)
[13:47] <rlameiro> hey everyone
[13:47] <rlameiro> scott-work: not at uds?
[14:03] <scott-work> rlameiro: no :(
[14:04] <scott-work> i had a slim chance of managing to go to UDS but alas, too many things needed to line up for it to happen
[14:04] <scott-work> next year i will make one of the UDS's
[14:04] <scott-work> my wife wants me to get sponsored for the next one, which i presume will be in europe if the historical schedule holds
[14:05] <scott-work> that way we can buy her plane ticket and she can go as well
[14:06] <scott-work> she's only flown once before (with me to go to texas tech university) and she's never been out of the state, much less the united states
[14:06] <rlameiro> ok
[14:06] <rlameiro> maybe we can meet in Europe next uds :D
[14:07] <scott-work> that would be awesome!
[14:07] <rlameiro> it depends where it is, and when
[14:07] <scott-work> there are many people i would like to finally shake hands with...you, luke, emmet
[14:08] <scott-work> maybe even falktx and janne, alessio (both of them!)
[14:08] <rlameiro> well, maybe we could do some JAM session :D
[14:08] <scott-work> yeah, jcastro and jono always seem to do something (usually some metallica) when they get together at the UDS
[14:09] <rlameiro> :D
[14:09] <rlameiro> next uds will be in may I asume
[14:09] <rlameiro> it will be a little hard if it overlays on top of my students exams, but maybe it can be don
[14:10]  * rlameiro back to writing.....
[14:20] <scott-work> oh, rlameiro, i was thinking this morning of various things and people and you were one of them!
[14:20] <scott-work> have you happened to make any progress on ubuntustudio-controls by chance?
[14:20] <rlameiro> that is a point that needs deeps discussion :D
[14:21] <rlameiro> since most of ubuntustudio controls functionallity is fading away, we should think if it should remain or not
[14:21] <rlameiro> and if it remains in wich sense
[14:22] <rlameiro> for instance, will it become on some sort of "HUB" or just a little tool
[14:22] <rlameiro> I was thinking on something like KXStudio 
[14:23] <rlameiro> A place to config plugin folders, add ppas etc
[14:23] <rlameiro> since consolekit that much of the config isnt needed anymore
[14:25] <rlameiro> For me the "hub" aproach seems to be the way we should do it.
[14:25] <rlameiro> have a central app that will link to the comunity, to FAQs, to how to, etc
[14:26] <rlameiro> also it could embed a webpage on it detailing workflows etc
[14:27] <scott-work> i'm not sure that i agree that most the functionality is fading away
[14:27] <scott-work> and you are right that more discussion is needed (or at least desired)
[14:28] <scott-work> my opinion is that just because ardour wants unlimited memlock, a user might not be able to afford that (memory wise) and would need to adjust it still
[14:28] <scott-work> additionally, i would like to see that ubuntu studio PPA where any kernels are available be listed in studio-controls along with any backports-testing ppa
[14:29] <scott-work> you have ideas, i have ideas, others most likely have ideas as well, hopefully we can find a compatible union between them all and implement it
[14:29] <scott-work> or them
[14:29] <rlameiro> yeap, exactly
[14:30] <rlameiro> but as the only controls functionality lasting is the memlock.
[14:31] <scott-work> and i think raw1394 as well, no?
[14:31] <rlameiro> scott-work: there are some technical decissions that need to be made for this
[14:31] <scott-work> for memlock?
[14:31] <rlameiro> scott-work: no, with the new firewire stack
[14:32] <rlameiro> about tech decissions are, how will it be implemented
[14:32] <rlameiro> in GTK or QT?
[14:32] <scott-work> http://www.ffado.org/?q=node/1316
[14:32] <scott-work> do you mean this?
[14:33] <rlameiro> will it be wrong to implement it in Qt? since we already ship qjackctl i dont see why not use QT.
[14:33] <rlameiro> or should it be GTK to be on line with other ubuntu implementations?
[14:33] <rlameiro> if it is in Qt, we can "use" some help from Falktx for example
[14:34] <rlameiro> or even RNCBC (i can try to pull him in)
[14:34] <scott-work> i'm not sure what you mean by "how will it be implemented" since i don't use firewire
[14:35] <scott-work> since you are mentioning gtk or qt then i am assuming something with a dialouge box
[14:35] <rlameiro> scott-work: I am talking about the controls, not FW :D
[14:35] <rlameiro> i tested firewire in the 10.10 and it worked out of the box
[14:36] <rlameiro> it maybe only my card maybe... dont know
[14:38] <rlameiro> scott-work: to clarify, i was talking about the technical choices on the ubuntustudio controls development. because that will choose who can help, for instance
[14:40] <rlameiro> http://video.ubuntu.com/live/
[14:54] <TheMuso> Did anybody find out what Sebo wanted from me?
[14:54] <TheMuso> Sebboh even
[16:30] <grantsmith> hi.. does Studio 10.10 have gscanbus, for configuring the MAudio firewire solo ? And if so, is it compiled against libgtk2 ?
[16:31] <AutoStatic> Don't know
[16:31] <AutoStatic> I don't use gscanbus
[16:32] <AutoStatic> I think it's deprecated regarding FireWire soundcards
[16:32] <AutoStatic> ffado-test and ffado-diag do all the magic
[16:34] <grantsmith> oh, interesting. Thanks I'll research that.
[16:34] <AutoStatic> You're welcome. Those tools are in the ffado-tools package
[16:35] <grantsmith> so is ffado a replacement to freebob ?
[16:37] <grantsmith> never mind. thanks google :]
[18:24] <scott-work> holstein: are you around?
[19:09] <scott-work> abogani: have you heard anything from UKT or JFo about getting the -lowlatency kernel into natty?
[19:49] <paultag> morning scott-work :)
[19:49] <scott-work> hia paultag !
[19:49] <paultag> scott-work, how's life? :)
[19:49] <scott-work> how are you doing?
[19:49] <scott-work> paultag: been real, real busy lately  :/
[19:50] <paultag> scott-work, well, thanks -- I was up late last night doing *nothing*, it was the worst, but I've got my coffee, and doing just fine :)
[19:50] <paultag> scott-work, awww. Anything I can help with, or is it all meatspace stuff?
[19:50] <scott-work> non-ubuntu studio stuff unofrtunately
[19:50] <paultag> Shucks
[19:50] <scott-work> lol
[19:50] <paultag> :)
[19:50] <scott-work> i started updating the seeds for natty this weekend but haven't finished yet, but with UDS going on i don't think it's a big rush anyways
[19:51] <paultag> scott-work, nah
[19:51] <scott-work> i doubt than per.sia or the.muso will have time to review it before the weekend
[19:51] <paultag> mmm
[19:52] <paultag> scott-work, is it just the ubuntustudio-meta package?
[19:54] <paultag> scott-work, I've been working on metapackages with germinate lately ( Might try and upload a fluxbox metapackage )
[19:55] <scott-work> paultag: no, it's far more than that
[19:55] <paultag> OK, cool. Then I'm useless :)
[19:56] <scott-work> i'll be updating video and graphic seeds, removing the audio seed and then adding audio-common, recording, and generation seeds
[19:56] <paultag> Oh jeez
[19:56] <scott-work> the idea to two fold: give the user more control over the audio applications installed and also clear out the cruft of packages installed
[19:57] <paultag> mmhum :)
[19:57] <scott-work> i've spent weeks working through things and then documenting the steps i want/need to take, and even then i've overlooked some stuff :P
[19:57] <scott-work> i can only imagine how this would have gone had i gone in blindly
[19:57] <paultag> +1
[19:58] <scott-work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Sandbox#Seeds%20Update
[19:58] <scott-work> that's my working notes
[19:58] <paultag> scott-work, sweet.
[19:59] <scott-work> and i will need to also update the -meta package to make a transition package for the deprecated audio seed
[19:59] <scott-work>  
[19:59] <scott-work> although, i did think of something
[19:59] <scott-work> i was going to talk with astraljava about a backports testing PPA
[20:00] <scott-work> the idea would be to create a PPA that ubuntu studio devs use to make backport packages and test them
[20:00] <paultag> scott-work, should be easy enough :)
[20:00] <scott-work> then we can alert the official backports persons know about them to get them into the official backports repositories
[20:00] <paultag> scott-work, +1, solid idea
[20:00] <paultag> scott-work, I can help with backporting, if you need more hands
[20:01] <scott-work> it's really only in the gestation phase at this moment
[20:01] <scott-work> i was hoping that astraljava would pounce on it as well :)
[20:01] <paultag> scott-work, just putting the offer on the table :)
[20:01] <astraljava> scott-work: Hi.
[20:01] <scott-work> absolutely paultag, the help would be appreciated
[20:02] <scott-work> hi astraljava 
[20:02] <scott-work> i don't know if we want to backport applications for every release or just for the lts version
[20:02] <scott-work> i was thinking just the LTS for the time being, which is fortuitous since the last release *was* the LTS release ;)
[20:03] <astraljava> Right, works for me.
[20:03] <scott-work> astraljava: do you think you could identify some of the applications from maverick that would be good in lucid ?
[20:03] <astraljava> scott-work: Absolutely.
[20:03] <scott-work> later this week i can make the ppa (or someone else within ubuntustudio-dev in launchpad can)
[20:04] <astraljava> scott-work: I can do that too.
[20:04] <scott-work> and anyone who wants to help (including you paultag!) can help
[20:04] <paultag> :P
[20:04] <scott-work> astraljava:  per.sia mentioned that we should focus this ppa on testing backports...so we might call it "backports-testing" or something simiilar
[20:04] <paultag> are we thinking bug reports after the list is all set?
[20:05] <astraljava> scott-work: Gotcha.
[20:05] <scott-work> paultag: yes, we would want to file bugs to get the backports done properly
[20:06] <scott-work> we can do them now, or later when the backport is tested
[20:07] <astraljava> I think the normal procedure is to file the bug once you have two testers report already.
[20:14] <paultag> against ubuntu studio?
[20:14] <paultag> I was just thinking logistics for people to prepare stuff for studio testing
[20:19] <holstein> scott-work: hey
[20:19] <holstein> i was busy for a bit there
[21:39] <scott-work> paultag:  i think it backport bugs have general been filed against ubuntu for any particular package
[21:39] <scott-work> you might add ubuntu studio as "Also affect project" however ,but that may not be necessary
[21:40] <scott-work> especially if we are the ones spearheading the backports
[21:40] <scott-work>  
[21:40] <scott-work> holstein: would you like to help organizing the website meeting and some other odds and ends
[21:40] <scott-work>  
[21:40] <scott-work> oh, astraljava and paultag, i would defintely be available to help with testing for backports
[21:42] <astraljava> scott-work: Noted, but I will most likely send a message to the lists anyway when a package is uploaded. Will let you know separately here, too.
[21:42] <paultag> scott-work, cheers
[22:58] <scott-work> i've read that shuttleworth is changing ubuntu desktop away from gnome to unity
[22:58] <scott-work> http://blogs.computerworld.com/17224/ubuntu_changes_its_desktop_from_gnome_to_unity
[22:58] <scott-work> i wonder how much truth is in this and how it will affect ubuntu studio