[00:11] <BUGabundo> is it me or is it kinda stupid for notify-osd to stop working once you have *anything* in fullscreen in any desktop?
[00:22] <bjsnider> mr. shuttleworth has almost declared war on the gnome devs today
[00:23] <bjsnider> "Shuttleworth says that GNOME would benefit from greater receptiveness to outside innovation and is disappointed that the Zeitgeist project isn't being embraced by the upstream community."
[00:23] <BUGabundo> :)
[00:24] <bjsnider> "...Canonical made an effort to participate in the GNOME Shell design process and found that Ubuntu's vision for the future of desktop interfaces was fundamentally different from that of the upstream GNOME Shell developers."
[00:26] <bjsnider> i think ryan paul's right that the decision to go with unity over gnome-shell could marginalize gnome-shell
[00:26] <bjsnider> even on other distros
[00:27]  * kklimonda_ actually agrees
[00:27] <bjsnider> but now unity will be moved to a compiz backend instead of mutter
[00:27] <kklimonda_> especially that g-s is still not ready
[00:27] <kklimonda_> it's a good decision imo
[00:27] <kklimonda_> mutter, while technologically a better solution just doesn't work with our current drivers
[00:29] <bjsnider> yes but i don't think they're eventually going to switch to gnome-shell
[00:29] <bjsnider> or possibly even mutter
[00:30] <kklimonda_> it wouldn't be that hard to replace compiz with mutter (just as it's not that hard to do that the other way around)
[00:31] <kklimonda_> as for whether we are going to switch to g-s at some point I can't say.. but then I'm not sure if g-s is actually going to be released at some time >:)
[00:32] <bjsnider> that's the kind of comment that will fan the flame war
[00:32] <kklimonda_> indeed :)
[00:32] <kklimonda_> but It's only partially my poor attempt to make a joke
[00:33] <kklimonda_> the development of g-s, at least so far, has been pretty chaotic
[00:33] <kklimonda_> I think it actually suffers from some of the problems current unity (mutter based) does.
[00:34] <bjsnider> mutter performs ok here, but not as well as compiz
[00:36] <kklimonda_> you are one of the lucky few then :)
[00:40] <bjsnider> i r using nvidia
[00:41] <kklimonda_> so am I and the mutter doesn't perform ok
[00:41] <kklimonda_> it doesn't slow down but it does heat up my gpu
[00:48] <bjsnider> compiz doesn't heat up your gpu?
[02:15] <kklimonda_> bjsnider: nope
[02:23] <bjsnider> i haven't used it in so long that i'm not sure
[03:15] <johnjohn101> is gnome really gone it 11.04?
[03:17] <rww> johnjohn101: gnome-panel is being replaced with Unity. The rest of GNOME will still be there.
[03:18] <johnjohn101> gnome panel? is this the upper panel?
[03:18] <johnjohn101> i'll have to look it up
[03:22] <johnjohn101> do you think I can still use gnome panel?
[03:22] <rww> johnjohn101: yes, it'll still be around. Unity will automatically fall back to it on some graphics cards, actually.
[03:23] <johnjohn101> can I install unity on my 10.10 to see what it looks like?
[03:24] <rww> johnjohn101: You can install the netbook version (see the ubuntu-netbook package), but it'll apparently differ significantly from the desktop version planned for 11.04, so it wouldn't be too useful for judging Unity.
[03:25] <johnjohn101> ok, thanks, I'll have to be patient and wait for one of the alphas to take a peek.
[03:37] <bjsnider> kklimonda_, you're right. my power profile is down to minimum under compiz, where it was at maximum under mutter
[14:32]  * patdk-wk should upgrade his maverick machine
[14:35] <vish> !development
[14:35] <vish> oops!
[15:34] <patdk-wk> man, have to optimize my system all over again :(
[15:34] <patdk-wk> maverick had 8sec boots, natty is having 12seconds :( all cpu load
[15:55] <th3hate> is it possible to install unity shell on ubuntu 10.10 desktop?
[17:55] <patdk-wk> hmm, vmware so isn't liking natty at all
[18:00] <ePirat> hi, maybe here anyone can help me
[18:01] <ePirat> i want to acces from my mac to my ubuntu machine, i installed netatalk, but when i try to login, i get the error that user or pass is wrong, but it isnt
[18:03] <ePirat> :-(
[18:03] <patdk-wk> epirat, your running natty?
[18:03] <ePirat> what
[18:03] <ePirat> natty?
[18:03] <patdk-wk> I guess not, so you beong in #ubuntu
[18:05] <virtuald> i think netatalk is for the old mac os
[18:05] <ePirat> oh
[18:06] <patdk-wk> man, I so wish I could get vmware tools to work in natty, but so don't feel like digging into kernel compile issues at the moment
[19:19] <BUGa_badmood> o/
[20:42] <AnxiousNut> So since 11.04 will ship with desktop unity and as the default session, will it still have the gnome desktop session as a secondary option?
[20:43] <bjsnider> it will certainly have hte gnome shell
[20:43] <bjsnider> i imagine it will have gnome 3, and it depends on what options are available there
[21:46] <BUGabundo> and now avidemux breaks
[21:46] <BUGabundo> now I know I'm in natty
[21:46] <BUGabundo> only missing an X breakage now
[21:47] <BUGabundo> where's penguim ?
[21:59] <iShawnW> Anyone have issues of kernel panics?
[21:59] <iShawnW> Like if it idles down too far it just freezes.
[22:06] <BUGabundo> iShawnW: me
[22:08] <zanus> I obviously have two monitors hooked up, http://pastebin.com/9tKjcJyR . Though no matter what I do.. I even did a "sudo Xorg -configure" I can't get the second one on that list to show up.  At one time it showed a bunch of gray/red/blue pixels at login, but that's about it
[22:09] <zanus> Anyone have an idea how I can detect it?
[23:12] <Ian_Corne> Ah it's open again :)
[23:12] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: you dog, you didn't tell me
[23:13]  * BUGabundo hides
[23:13] <Ian_Corne> I just updated X with xorg-edge ppa and it crashes hard
[23:13] <BUGabundo> LOL
[23:13] <BUGabundo> don't use the PPA :P
[23:13] <Ian_Corne> downgrading with synaptic atm
[23:13] <Ian_Corne> Yeah i've got myself a new laptop, it's a worry child
[23:14] <Ian_Corne> no working touchpad, no working nvidia driver
[23:14] <Ian_Corne> the thing where you can switch off the gpu
[23:14] <Ian_Corne> no suspend/resume
[23:14] <BUGabundo> you can't do that in real time
[23:14] <BUGabundo> its on boot only
[23:14] <BUGabundo> limitations in X
[23:14] <Ian_Corne> what can't be done?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> change between onboard and dedicated gp
[23:15] <BUGabundo> *gpu
[23:15] <Ian_Corne> ah
[23:15] <Ian_Corne> I thought it was implemented starting from .34?
[23:15] <Ian_Corne> ubuntu control center has an option for it
[23:15] <Ian_Corne> but I've never actually noticed it switching
[23:15] <BUGabundo> oh??
[23:16] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: ^^^^^^^^^^
[23:17] <Ian_Corne> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/ubuntu-control-centre-0-5-brings-gpu-switching-to-linux/
[23:17] <bjsnider> afaik there's no support for gpu switching
[23:17] <Ian_Corne> I haven't seen the "power-save gpu is in use" thingy yet
[23:17] <Pici> but omg ubuntu reported it!
[23:18] <Ian_Corne> I read on phoronix .34 should have support for it
[23:18] <bjsnider> "using the ‘vga-switchero’ module present in the Linux kernel 2.6.35"
[23:18] <bjsnider> that's just a small bit of code that may or may not work
[23:18] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: http://i.imgur.com/JPxql.gif
[23:18] <Ian_Corne> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODAxOA
[23:18] <BUGabundo> stop messing with it
[23:19] <Ian_Corne> I know that gif
[23:19] <Ian_Corne> :p
[23:19] <bjsnider> the best thing to do is use the bios to pick one gpu permanently, if such an option exists
[23:19] <Ian_Corne> I'll check it
[23:22] <Ian_Corne> Is there an easy script to undo all changes a PPA did? :)
[23:23] <bjsnider> ppa-purge
[23:24] <Ian_Corne> thnx trying it now
[23:28] <BUGabundo> http://mjg59.livejournal.com/128419.html
[23:28] <bjsnider> Ian_Corne, it goes without saying you'll have to reboot after purging xorg-edgers
[23:28] <Ian_Corne> i did :)
[23:28] <Ian_Corne> well if I want the changes to be in effect that is
[23:29] <Ian_Corne> i got my touchpad working!
[23:29] <Ian_Corne> no 2 finger scrolling tho :(
[23:29] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: its scroll by defaul
[23:29] <bjsnider> i think there are options available for that if you want to dig into some config files
[23:29] <BUGabundo> for some WEIRD reason
[23:29] <Ian_Corne> so it doesn't see it as a real touchpad, rather an emulated mouse
[23:29] <BUGabundo> you can only have one
[23:30] <BUGabundo> two fingers or side scroll
[23:30] <BUGabundo> it _used_ to work for a while with both
[23:30] <Ian_Corne> yeah and you could change it in mouse preferences
[23:30] <Ian_Corne> but it doesn't show the tab
[23:31] <BUGabundo> Ian_Corne: gconf-editor FTW
[23:32] <Ian_Corne> yeah but then i'll have to go search through it all :p
[23:32] <Ian_Corne> and the reason it's not showing is because it's not supported probably?
[23:35] <Ian_Corne> ok it has more settings then the menu
[23:35] <Ian_Corne> but shouldn't the changes take effect immediatly?
[23:37] <BUGabundo> no idea
[23:37] <BUGabundo> reboot and be sure
[23:46] <Ian_Corne> I did, it did not help
[23:49] <iShawnW> BUGabundo: how did you solve your kernel panicing issues?
[23:50] <BUGabundo> I didn't
[23:50] <BUGabundo> its happening dailly
[23:50] <BUGabundo> when I transfer stuff
[23:50] <BUGabundo> cwillu: where's the party?
[23:50] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, you know what i don't understand about the whole checkgmail thing?
[23:51] <bjsnider> why doesn't the guy that created that just contribute patches to gm-notifier instead?
[23:51] <BUGabundo> LOL
[23:51] <iShawnW> oh... well on lxde with nautilus I have yet to get one, I will try a transfer. What kind of transfer would you do that would cause the KP
[23:51] <BUGabundo> cause the other guy is a brick?
[23:51] <BUGabundo> he refuses to do anything to it
[23:52] <bjsnider> ok, but it's open source
[23:52] <bjsnider> take the source code, fork it and add the patches
[23:52] <BUGabundo> iShawnW: so it isn't hw or kernel
[23:52] <BUGabundo> humm
[23:53] <iShawnW> BUGabundo: no but Win7 Blue screens at EXT3, it makes me laugh
[23:53] <iShawnW> well like every other time