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Lex79JontheEchidna: can you retry? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sip4-qt3/4.11.1-0ubuntu1/+build/201482200:34
Lex79thanks00:34
JontheEchidnaLex79: done00:35
Lex79k00:35
Lex79oh I didn't see python2.7 is ftbfs00:48
CIA-96[libqapt] jmthomas * 1190119 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/ (6 files in 3 dirs) (log message trimmed)01:16
CIA-96Birth of a new Config class. It's a wrapper around the libapt-pkg config API,01:16
CIA-96providing a KConfig-like API to the world. Let's start off read-only for now, as01:16
EagleScreenkgmailnotifier has not debug symbols in the debug repository02:33
JontheEchidnaUnfortunately, I think QApt::Config is more robust against failure than APT's config parser. I cannot test the failure handling of QApt::Config because APT fails to initialize when junk data is in apt.conf v.v02:52
JontheEchidnabut I guess that's what you get when you work with a 13 year old library02:54
JontheEchidnawell, it does initialize. It just reports to have 3 million packages available, but isn't actually able to show packages02:58
JontheEchidnanevermind. It doesn't initalize. LibQApt doesn't seem to be catching the error and throwing an InitError in that case...02:59
JontheEchidnaApt is still braindead because it could easily ignore the junk at the end of the file03:01
CIA-96[libqapt] jmthomas * 1190132 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) Throw an InitError in two more places that it can occur. Make a private throwInitError function since we are now using the exact same code in 3 places03:16
CIA-96[libqapt] jmthomas * 1190133 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/worker/ (worker.cpp worker.h) Handle the additional potential init failure points in the worker, too.03:20
CIA-96[libqapt] jmthomas * 1190136 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (config.cpp config.h) Add writeEntry functions for bool, int and QString types. All that's left is to write a function that can actually write to disk in the QApt Worker, and use it here.03:47
CIA-96[libqapt] jmthomas * 1190139 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (8 files in 2 dirs) Add a worker function to write a file to disk. Config can now read and write to disk int, bool and QString APT settings. \o/04:19
JontheEchidnaHmm, didn't imagine I'd get that whole thing done in an evening. Qt is great.04:20
JontheEchidnag'night04:30
faboRiddell: have some logs about the #ubuntu-uds-curacao12 meeting07:42
faboRiddell: it was midnight when you pinged ;)07:42
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sheytanKubuntu ad, this time with free music and fixed text http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JJFySfHaqo :D12:11
CIA-96[libqapt] jmthomas * 1190313 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h) Add a method to get the Backend's Config pointer.12:13
eMyllersheytan_: hey! :)12:53
eMyllerneeds some design @ ad12:53
udsloggerRiddell: do the gudielines also apply to us?14:08
Riddelludslogger: I agree we shouldn't have the circle in aubergine14:13
macoudslogger: i think we get our own colour scheme14:14
udslogger^^14:14
udsloggerI was refering to spacing and stuff :P14:14
Riddellyes i think the spacing is sensible for us to keep14:16
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sheytaneMyller hey :)14:17
sheytaneMyller how's the html5 player? :)14:17
eMyllersheytan: you told me a flash one would be used Oo14:18
sheytanudslogger i think we did. Or i was with someone else. Anyway, did you see the ad? we can add this little boy. It's only 1mb :D14:18
sheytaneMyller nope, flash as a secondary one14:18
sheytaneMyller but we have time :)14:18
sheytanflash is a crap14:19
eMyllersheytan: http://videojs.com/14:19
eMylleram gonna use it :)14:19
udsloggersheytan: 1mb is a lot14:19
eMyllerit = videojs, not flash14:19
sheytanudslogger we can remove some stuff from the example content :D14:19
eMyllerad on the site? OH NOES14:19
eMyllerat least not as a video/with audio14:20
udsloggersheytan: we do not have an example content?14:20
sheytaneMyller is this done by you?14:20
sheytanudslogger i didn't say that  :P14:20
eMyllersheytan: nope14:20
udsloggersheytan: we do not have example content!14:20
eMyllersheytan: i still have to code a site for my js project :014:21
eMyller* :)14:21
sheytaneMyller but this java script, not html5 right?14:21
sheytanudslogger yes, i know, i didn't say we don't have. I said we can remove something to pu there the ad. Remove something to make space :D14:21
eMyller"html5" (as people call) is composed also by js stuff.14:21
udsloggerah right14:21
udsloggerwhat would you like to remove?14:22
udsloggerfrench translations?14:22
udsloggerlibreoffice?14:22
shadeslayerKDE?14:22
sheytanudslogger sometime ago i saw there examples of open document files. Is this still there?14:23
udsloggerno14:23
udsloggerthat is what I am saying14:23
udslogger:P14:23
sheytaneMyller well, ok ;) But when we get this one, can we change the look of it? :)14:23
eMyllersheytan: yeah :)14:23
eMyllergimme the style and i code it asap14:24
sheytanudslogger ooh :( Anyway, if there will be some space available, you can include the ad :D14:24
udsloggerwhat would the point be14:24
sheytaneMyller i already sent it to you :)14:24
udsloggeryou do not need to advertise something someone is already trying or even installing14:24
eMyllersheytan: i lost my hd :D14:24
eMyllersheytan: please send me again @ pvt14:24
eMylleroh wait14:24
eMyllerubuntu one :)14:24
sheytaneMyller ok, tell me if you have it14:24
udsloggershadeslayer: manpage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!14:24
udsloggershadeslayer: hello hello!14:25
udsloggershadeslayer: dude!14:25
sheytanudslogger well, you're right :D14:25
udsloggershadeslayer: HALO!14:25
udsloggershadeslayer: ...14:25
eMyllerhow can i install ubuntuone here? (maverick)14:25
DarkwingDuckudslogger: where you guys at14:25
udsloggershadeslayer aint is getting no notifications14:25
eMyllerforgot the resource.14:25
udsloggerDarkwingDuck: nakkid meeting14:25
shadeslayerhaha14:25
shadeslayeri was staring at the spreadbuntu page14:26
udsloggermaco: Riddell: what happened to the hot tub plans btw?14:26
sheytaneMyller kubuntu ?14:26
udsloggershadeslayer: manpage!!!!!14:26
eMyllersheytan: sure14:26
shadeslayerwe are so geeky, sitting next to each other and IRC'ing14:26
udsloggeroh 14:26
DarkwingDucklol14:26
macoudslogger: the security people yelled at us that the hot tub was closed14:26
sheytaneMyller i don't think you can. You need use browser14:26
udsloggerI am ultimate geek14:26
shadeslayerone man page coming right up14:26
udsloggerI got myself a Qt tattoooooo14:26
eMyllersheytan: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/install-ubuntuone-alpha-1-for-kde-in.html14:26
shadeslayer^ yea14:26
udsloggermaco: wtf14:26
shadeslayereMyller: that is unmaintained 14:27
sheytanyeah14:27
shadeslayeror whatever is a alias for gnome14:27
macoapparently it was 2300 and thats too late to be surrounded by water14:27
udsloggermaco: we should tell mark so he can ensure we get special hot tub permission ^^14:27
shadeslayerhot tub rekonq bashing14:27
eMyllershadeslayer: it was working before Oo14:27
DarkwingDuckudslogger: +114:27
udsloggershadeslayer: manpage!!!!14:27
udsloggereMyller: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/37514514:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 375145 in Ubuntu One Client "Ubuntu One should have a KDE client" [Wishlist,Confirmed]14:28
sheytaneMyller http://pastebin.com/Q141eXkU14:30
shadeslayereMyller: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/375145/comments/3514:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 375145 in Ubuntu One Client "Ubuntu One should have a KDE client" [Wishlist,Confirmed]14:30
eMyller:\14:30
eMyllershadeslayer: do you use the gnome client?14:33
shadeslayeri dont use U114:33
shadeslayeras simple as that 14:33
eMyllercool :)14:34
shadeslayereven if a client exsisted, i dont think ill use it :P14:34
eMyllerdropbox instead?14:34
eMyllershadeslayer: any special reason?14:34
shadeslayereMyller: just dont really need a file sharing service :P14:35
shadeslayeri can just upload to p.u.c or rapidshare or whatever14:35
shadeslayer( u1 is a good concept, just that i have no use case for it )14:35
shadeslayerudslogger is doing some scary stuff right now14:36
shadeslayerand his desktop is all fluffy14:36
udsloggerhow is that scary14:37
eMyllerhehe14:42
eMyllerudslogger: any code to share? :)14:42
eMyllersidenote: gnome's ubuntuone client is working here and syncd is running. :)14:42
udsloggershadeslayer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Man Pages14:46
udsloggerone version of how to make a manpage14:46
udsloggereMyller: its in bzr branches all over launchpad14:46
udsloggeralso newboon2Age wants to continue it, so you should talk to him14:46
eMyllerkay14:48
drdanzHi! is there any plan to backport kdevplatform 1.1 and kdevelop 4.1 to maverick?14:49
newboon2Agecontinue which udslogger?14:55
newboon2Agescarey shadeslayer?  i don't understand what you mean14:56
newboon2AgeWe need to complete kubuntu on U1.  incorporating kde is very important to making U1 accessible by other distros, etc.14:57
* txwikinger cannot join the uds channel for the rekonq session15:02
Riddell** rekonq session moved to 11:0015:02
Riddelli.e. one hours time15:02
Riddelldrdanz: hi15:03
Riddelldrdanz: it's in the beta PPA due to lack of testing time https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta15:04
Riddellplease try it out and let me and shadeslayer know how it works15:04
txwikingerRiddell: you are moving a lot of sessions15:04
txwikingersame room?15:04
Riddelltxwikinger: it won't be in a room so no audio feed I'm afraid15:04
drdanzRiddell: I will try it, thanks!15:04
txwikingerbummer15:04
txwikingerso much for remote participation.. that session I was really interested in15:05
txwikingerwell.. stupid me... should have come to UDS :(15:05
udsloggerRiddell: you should come to bonaire1, should be interesting15:11
udsloggerScottK: the hooks on the arm box are sort of missing important ones :P15:12
udsloggerlike the one running apt-get update before doing stuff15:12
shadeslayerRiddell: works for me ( just kdevelop ), ill package the rest of kdevelop when i get some time15:14
udsloggershadeslayer: how is the manpage coming along?15:18
shadeslayerpretty good15:18
udsloggerwhy is it not done? :P15:18
shadeslayerim listening to their discussion15:19
udsloggerthat is like 5 minutes of work :P15:19
udsloggershadeslayer: you are not, you are obviously chatting on irc :P15:19
shadeslayerudslogger: multitasking :P15:19
udsloggerScottK: also maybe we should look into cowbuilding, (de)compression of the pbulder tar is just to darn slow15:20
shadeslayerudslogger: since it does has no --help-qt or --help-kde options, can i remove it?15:20
udsloggershadeslayer: you want to remove multitasking? :O15:21
udsloggerare you applying for a job at apple?15:21
shadeslayerno15:21
shadeslayerfrom the man page15:21
shadeslayercan i remove the --help-qt and --help-kde options15:21
shadeslayerlol15:21
udsloggerwell15:21
udsloggeryes?15:21
udsloggerobviously? :P15:21
shadeslayerudslogger: http://pastebin.ca/197473015:30
shadeslayerudslogger: looks ok?15:31
udsloggeris it pornstack?15:31
shadeslayeryes15:32
CIA-96[libqapt] jmthomas * 1190401 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/config.cpp Better handling of existing keys and appending new keys to the end of the file.15:41
shadeslayerudslogger: did you look at the man page?15:41
udsloggerno15:41
udsloggerit is not SFW15:41
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shadeslayerwha15:43
dasKreechhi hunger15:45
hungerdasKreech: Hello15:45
dasKreechHow are?15:45
shadeslayerudslogger: whaaaa15:47
udsloggeris it the devil?15:47
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shadeslayer0_o15:47
udsloggershadeslayer: how does that manpage help exactly?15:47
udsloggerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manpage15:47
shadeslayerit tells the user what it is15:47
udsloggerMan pages (short for manual pages) are the extensive documentation15:48
udslogger*extensive*15:48
shadeslayerwhat WMIface is15:48
shadeslayerah15:48
shadeslayeroh15:48
shadeslayerfffff15:48
udsloggerthe control file tells the user what it is15:48
hungerdasKreech: Great, how are you?15:48
shadeslayerim so royally screwed15:48
udsloggeralso the user will hopefully know what it is by the time he had installed it15:48
udsloggeryou are not royal15:48
udslogger:P15:48
dasKreechhunger: great :) following Telepathy stuff15:48
dasKreechTubes are interesting15:48
udsloggerand if you were, you surely should not tell jr ;)15:48
hungerdasKreech: I', only great since I no longer do that:-)15:49
udsloggershtylman: I got a battery warning notification again15:49
udsloggershtylman: also shadeslayer has all messed up quassel notifications15:49
shadeslayeryayy15:50
shadeslayerso rekonq is not the only broken Qt app15:50
shtylmanudslogger: if only I was at UDS15:50
shtylmanoh... if only15:50
dasKreechhunger: I know :) But it's still interesting :)15:50
drdanzRiddell, shadeslayer: Installation of kdevelop 4.1 from beta archive was smooth, it starts without any apparent issue, sessions, projects and opened files are correctly restored from 4.0.2, and git integration seems to work. I will let you know if I encounter any problem later. If you want me to test for something in particular just ask!15:51
txwikingerrekonq session on irc in this channel?15:51
shadeslayernooo15:51
shadeslayerdrdanz: awesome15:51
Riddelldrdanz: groovy15:51
Riddelltxwikinger: in 10 minutes15:51
txwikingerok15:51
dasKreechwell I'm off15:52
dasKreech*waves*15:52
sheytanhey15:54
sheytanwhere can i find the blueprints of the new unity from uds? :D15:54
sheytananyone have them? :D15:54
txwikingerunity? Do we use unity in Kubuntu?15:58
shtylmanno15:58
* txwikinger thought unity is a Gnome shell15:58
Riddell** http://piratepad.net/appdev-n-kubuntu-rekonq-wishlist16:03
Riddellsheytan: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-n?searchtext=unity16:04
txwikingerok.. rekonq16:04
txwikingerDo we have a document for the wishlist?16:05
Riddelltxwikinger: http://piratepad.net/appdev-n-kubuntu-rekonq-wishlist16:05
Riddellhttp://techbase.kde.org/Projects/rekonq/Roadmap is upstream's roadmap16:05
nixternalRiddell: you guys in a room for this one? I don't see it on the list anymore for today16:07
Riddellnixternal: sorry no room16:07
Riddellbut feel free to chat here16:07
nixternalroger that16:07
RiddellI just want it released in time for natty16:07
shadeslayeroh Lex79 is here as well :)16:07
Riddelland a clear button on the URL bar16:07
Riddelland then I'm happy16:07
shadeslayerhahaha16:07
txwikingerIs there any way the extension support can be bumped up?16:08
RiddellI suspect not, it needs someone to code it and that's not easy16:08
Lex79ho16:08
shadeslayeronly if we get more coders16:08
Lex79hi shadeslayer :)16:08
Riddellextensions are on http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/rekonq/Roadmap16:08
shadeslayernikhil is already working on it16:08
Riddellbut http://gitorious.org/~nikhilm/rekonq/nikhilms-mainline/commits/extensions hasn't had commits in a while16:09
Riddelltxwikinger: what do you need extensions for?16:09
shadeslayeryes, because he had exams :P16:09
txwikingera firebug kinda thing16:09
shadeslayertxwikinger: is that like the webinspector thing16:09
txwikingerWell.. webinspector is missing some stuff16:10
txwikingerlike console.log message16:10
shadeslayerhttp://imgur.com/z4wpL16:10
shadeslayerah ok16:10
txwikingerand messages from the server backend16:10
txwikingershadeslayer: yes webinspector does css inspection, but not javascript debugging16:11
shadeslayerok, i did not know that16:11
nixternalRiddell: fyi, bonaire 7 room, that topic has been cancelled. people are just chatting amongst themselves in there16:12
ScottKWe aren't moving16:13
Riddellhttp://piratepad.net/appdev-n-kubuntu-rekonq-wishlist16:13
shtylmanput the address bar under the tabs16:13
shtylmanit makes more sense16:14
shadeslayerisnt it just easy to do Ctrl+A and Del ?16:14
shadeslayer( to clear the urlbar )16:14
nixternalmake 'Yahoo Sports' work :)  can't easily get to my fantasy football page from rekonq like I can with ff or chrome16:15
nixternalstuff doesn't work there16:15
shtylmanoverall I am pretty happy with rekonq...  the nice thing with chrome is that it doesn't have the title bar16:16
shtylmanwhich means more vertical space.. cause titlebars are a waste of space :)16:16
nixternalnevermind. some reason in rekonq i was logged into yahoo as 'nixternal' and not my real account16:17
shadeslayerhttp://piratepad.net/appdev-n-kubuntu-rekonq-wishlist16:17
Riddellvalorie_: http://piratepad.net/appdev-n-kubuntu-rekonq-wishlist16:17
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: http://piratepad.net/appdev-n-kubuntu-rekonq-wishlist | Kubuntu 10.10 is out! | what to do for Natty? http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSNatty | SRUs http://goo.gl/iDJ6 | Merges! https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/NattyMerges | congratulations to debfx
nixternalplus i hate that i can't disable it from asking me to store or not store the password when logging into sites16:17
shtylman++nixternal16:18
ScottKnixternal: Put it in the piratepad16:18
nixternalSorry, the all-new att.net Mail does not support your browser.  <- odd that I get this seeing as it is webkit16:18
shadeslayernixternal: uh.. you can disable it for one site with "Never store password for this site"16:18
nixternalthat disables it for one site, i don't want to ever have it ask me, like ff and chrome can do16:18
nixternali hate the kde way of doing it, it is shit16:18
DarkwingDuckDo I dare ask about FTP suppert within? rekonq? :P16:18
valorie__ok, now paste it again?16:19
shtylmancan we just ship google chrome?16:19
shtylmanScottK: :p16:19
jjessethat would be nice :)16:19
ScottKshtylman: No.16:19
valorie__chromium, you mean?16:20
shtylmanyea16:20
ScottKCan't ship that either.16:20
ScottKSecurity team hasn't accepted it in Main.16:20
DarkwingDuckvalorie__: http://piratepad.net/appdev-n-kubuntu-rekonq-wishlist16:20
shadeslayerScottK: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/rekonq/2010-July/001521.html16:20
valorie__thank you!16:20
crimsunI've been using rekonq while at UDS; it's quite nice.16:22
nixternalit is quite fast for me16:22
nixternalthe yahoo issues is a let down since i use yahoo for my fantasy football16:22
DarkwingDuckI like the speed and I have switched fairly well16:22
DarkwingDucknixternal: +116:22
shtylmanI have been using rekonq on my laptop16:23
shtylmanwith raster render engine it is nice16:23
shtylmandon't have some of my chrome extensions16:23
udsloggerit is so cold in here :(16:23
shtylmanwhich might be a deal breaker in the end.. I dunno16:23
jjesseam i the only one who doesn't use extensions on his browser?16:24
shadeslayereveryone is now discussing Quassel16:24
shadeslayer:S16:24
shadeslayerjjesse: same here16:24
shtylmanKONVERSATION!! :p16:24
Riddellnixternal: "rekonq had me signed in with my 'nixternal' account" signed into what?16:24
nixternalRiddell: fixed it on ppad16:25
nixternalhad me signed in as nixternal to yahoo.com, and today was the first time i used rekonq, so i know i never logged into yahoo.com before16:25
nixternalsame with gmail. so rekonq is using username/passwords from kopete. it has to be16:25
txwikingerquasseln == German word for konversation :p16:26
jjessemust be lunch break :)16:47
Riddellnixternal: the question is if that's a feature or a bug16:47
Riddellnixternal: I think it's rather that kopete and rekonq both use the normal kde services for cookies and usernames/passwords16:48
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nixternalRiddell: i would guess a feature, and if so, a bad feature, at least for me16:59
macoi really wish i could unlock the screen by typing in my password *sigh*17:08
udslogger!find libnepomukutils17:16
ubottuPackage/file libnepomukutils does not exist in maverick17:16
udslogger!find libnepomukutils.so17:16
ubottuPackage/file libnepomukutils.so does not exist in maverick17:16
rbelem_udslogger, any clues?17:20
udsloggerno17:20
udsloggerrbelem_: is that our 4.5.2?17:20
rbelem_udslogger, hum...17:21
rbelem_udslogger, i just found the error :-(17:21
rbelem_my fault17:21
udsloggerI know :P17:21
rbelem_ahaha :-D17:21
udsloggerwhat else would it be :P17:21
CIA-96[libqapt] jmthomas * 1190430 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/config.cpp - Fix a bug where a newline would be added each time Config wrote to APT's config. - Change the runtime settings in the writeConfig functions, so that we can actually use our new settings before restarting.17:26
udsloggerhere there be phonons17:29
udsloggershadeslayer: you build it into one17:30
shadeslayeruhh17:30
shadeslayerudslogger: how?17:30
CIA-96[muon] jmthomas * 1190432 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/ (5 files in 2 dirs) FEATURE: Add an option to configure whether or not a package's recommends should be treated as dependencies. CCMAIL:633295@bugs.launchpad.net17:31
shadeslayerudslogger: nvm17:31
udsloggerlord google ftw!17:31
CIA-96[muon] jmthomas * 1190434 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ChangeLog ChangeLog++17:35
CIA-96[muon] jmthomas * 1190435 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/TODO Update TODO17:35
udsloggerScottK: for the sake of minimal delta I am trying my fix with cdbs, if we are fortunate phonon should be fixed in like a few minutes17:36
shadeslayerudslogger: http://pastebin.ca/197483917:38
shadeslayersheytan: dude, did you add neon PPA?17:39
sheytanshadeslayer i even installed stuff, but when i go to /opt/... and run startkde it says that kconfig4something isn't found17:39
sheytani think some path problems17:39
shadeslayerhmm17:39
sheytanbut the file is ofcourse there17:39
shadeslayerprobably because we need to fix the vars 17:40
shadeslayerudslogger: ^17:40
sheytanshadeslayer would be cool. i want to test KDE but i don't have time to setup slackware :D17:40
sheytanit takes the whole day :D17:40
shadeslayerhahaha17:40
udsloggerI have a var in my bag17:40
shadeslayerudslogger: is that why its so jumpy?17:40
udsloggershadeslayer: what exactly changed with the manpage?17:41
udsloggerit still is not a manpage17:41
shadeslayerthere is now a new para :P17:41
udsloggerwow17:41
shadeslayer:P17:41
udsloggerstill not fitting the description of a manpage17:41
shadeslayeryeah im working on it17:41
shadeslayerProject Neon FTW!17:42
shadeslayerkill them man pages!17:42
ScottKudslogger: Excellent.17:43
rbelem_udslogger, shadeslayer, what is project neon?17:44
shadeslayer:O17:44
* shadeslayer faints17:44
udsloggerrbelem_: pornstack17:44
rbelem_:-D17:44
ScottKrbelem_: It builds kdesvn trunk packages for the current Kubuntu release.17:44
shadeslayerstupid qtwebkit17:45
CIA-96[libqapt] jmthomas * 1190439 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/config.h Document QApt::Config17:45
rbelem_hum...17:45
rbelem_cool17:45
rbelem_shadeslayer, try qtwebkit2.1. it is much better17:46
udsloggermgraesslin: can you get me a trace that was incomplete WRT graphics driver17:46
shadeslayerrbelem_: dude... im working on qtwebkit for neon ;)17:46
shadeslayerand it isnt building17:46
rbelem_oh!17:46
udslogger*broken*17:47
rbelem_shadeslayer, join #qtwebkit and poke some guys :-)17:47
shadeslayerudslogger: quilt can push the patch in but it fails on lp : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/58272128/buildlog.txt.gz17:48
udsloggerwhat patch?17:48
shadeslayeri can apply the patch locally :S17:48
shadeslayer0001_fix_symbols_visibility_for_webcore.diff17:48
udslogger...you probably broke something...17:49
udsloggerScottK: root@kubuntu-efikamx00:~/phonon-4.7.0really4.4.2# dpkg-deb -c ../phonon-backend-xine_4.7.0really4.4.2-1ubuntu2_armel.deb  |wc17:52
udslogger     39     236    327617:52
udsloggersomething that checks for if armel17:53
udsloggerexport CXXFLAGS += -Wa,-mimplicit-it=thumb17:53
udsloggerendif17:53
udsloggerall you need17:53
ScottKudslogger: Thanks.17:53
rbelem_shadeslayer, build bots for qtwebkit trunk http://build.webkit.org/waterfall?category=core17:55
shadeslayermuch more difficult when you have a patch against trunk17:55
rbelem_shadeslayer, and qtwebkit2.1 http://webkit.sed.hu/buildbot/waterfall17:55
shadeslayerno no no no17:56
shadeslayerrbelem_: i have a patch, it applies against trunk locally but in the buildd it doest17:56
rbelem_shadeslayer, ok17:57
sheytanshadeslayer Quintasan I'm starting to create the PN subpage for the kubuntu page. :D18:12
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sheytanany plans to make amarok ubuntu1 music store? :D18:43
shadeslayerlulz ^18:44
sheytanshadeslayer i think, that you (pn team) should write a short how to for project neon. Will be cool :D18:50
shadeslayerthat is the plan18:50
sheytanshadeslayer i'm already working on implementing it on the page :D18:52
sheytani mean from the design not code way :D18:52
drdanzRiddell, shadeslayer: kdevelop 4.1 from beta worked like a charm but crashed when I closed it.19:02
drdanzThe kde crash handler button "Install Debug Symbols" doesn't work... "The packages containing debug information for the following application and libraries are missing: /usr/bin/kdevelop"19:02
drdanzThis is a backtrace of the crash: http://pastebin.com/u5QKaf8r, I tried installing libkdevplatform-dbg, but I can't get any better result19:02
drdanzI cannot reproduce the crash just by opening and closing kdevelop (I will see in the next days if I get the crash again) and I also believe that it is something unrelated to packaging...19:02
shadeslayerdrdanz: not so helpful :(19:05
shadeslayerdrdanz: the backtrace is quite useless.... 19:06
ScottKRiddell and udslogger: phonon uploaded.19:07
udsloggersweetness19:07
udsloggerScottK: in order to get graphics driver dbg symbols we need to switch kubuntu-debug-installer to ddebs19:08
udsloggerapparently graphics drivers do not have dbg packages in the archives19:08
ScottKudslogger: Is there a significant downside for that?19:08
udsloggera) PPAs do not have dbgsyms19:09
udsloggerb) you cannot misc dbg with dbgsym - hence the user must not have dbg packages from the archive installed19:09
ScottKAh.19:10
ScottKThat latter bit I didn't know.19:10
udsloggerwell, if one dbgsym package depends on another that conflicts with a dbg symbol -> hell19:10
ScottKRight.19:10
udsloggerespecially since they will not have proper conflicts in the package relation19:10
ScottKSo can we tell if the user is using PPA packages and behave differently?19:11
udsloggeryes, but no, how should it behave?19:11
ScottKInstall -dbgsym if there's no KDE PPA stuff and also bring in vido drivers and install -dbg if things are from a PPA.19:12
ScottKI'm curious what xorg-edgers does then.19:12
udsloggerScottK: what if once dbgsym was installed and the user since switched to a ppa?19:13
ScottKThat's the point where we need to tell the user "In order to do anything useful, we need to remove a lot of packages and download a bunch of new ones, would you like to go ahead?"19:14
txwikingermaco, scottk, anybody wants to answer this question? http://askubuntu.com/questions/9785 19:16
udsloggerScottK: that sounds overly expensive TBH19:16
ScottKudslogger: I agree it's not idea.19:16
ScottKidea/ideal19:16
ScottKAlternatively, can we get the X team to add dbg packages?19:16
udsloggerworth asking19:17
udsloggerthough in the long run we need to go with dbgsym anyway19:17
udsloggerthough that kind of stands and falls with launchpad growing support for dbgsym in ppas19:17
shadeslayerQuestion: Can i ask just for Kubuntu and not order Windoze :P19:18
ScottKshadeslayer: Talk to zareason19:18
shadeslayerScottK: already looking, but will Dell do that 19:18
ScottKtxwikinger: I think if you us dimap instead of imap you can.19:18
shadeslayer( the answe is NO :P )19:18
ScottKshadeslayer: They will do only Ubuntu, but they don't support Kubuntu.19:18
ScottKFor internal reasons they are only going to do one Linux desktop.19:19
shadeslayerScottK: i asked them if i could drop Windows from my system when ordering and they said no19:19
txwikingerScottK: You want me to relay that answer?19:19
ScottKtxwikinger: Sure.  dimap is more reliable anyway.19:19
txwikingeryeah. I know.. I used dimap since last year when you told me19:19
ScottKshadeslayer: If you order a system for which Ubuntu is available, it comes with only Ubuntu.19:19
freeflyingshadeslayer, then you can order an ubuntu preload dell notebook19:20
txwikingerhowever, the last version of kmail spins 100% cpu for me19:20
ScottKtxwikinger: Tell them that too tough.19:20
shadeslayerthe XPS didnt have it... so *shrug*19:20
ScottKtxwikinger: In maverick?19:20
ScottKWorks for me.19:20
ScottKshadeslayer: It's not for all models.19:20
shadeslayeri want dell to have it available for every model19:20
shadeslayeryeah ... see19:20
shadeslayerwell19:22
shadeslayerudslogger: qtwebkit daily builds active \o/19:23
shadeslayerQuintasan: ^^19:23
udsloggerback to basics19:24
udsloggershadeslayer: arent you supposed to create a flipping manpage?19:24
shadeslayerheh19:24
shadeslayerrekonq hacking first19:24
shadeslayeror19:24
* udslogger feels like punching shadeslayer19:25
shadeslayerlol19:25
txwikingerudslogger: Eh.. no violence19:25
* udslogger notes that the feeling just shifted to target someone else19:26
valorie_shadeslayer: http://imagebin.ca/view/b25Lnjoz.html19:28
valorie_firefox bookmark buttons19:28
shadeslayeruh19:29
shadeslayereh19:29
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shadeslayerhmm19:29
valorie2see what I mean?19:29
shadeslayervalorie2: the one in the URL bar?19:29
shadeslayeror in the bookmarks bar?19:29
valorie2right below the URL bar19:30
shadeslayerok got it19:30
valorie2I dragged down my gmail and identica buttons19:30
shadeslayerhmm19:31
valorie2chromium can do it too19:32
valorie2same way19:32
shadeslayerudslogger: okularpart doesnt support it19:37
shadeslayerudslogger: send me the link19:37
udsloggerhttp://www.cs.umd.edu/~samir/498/Amazon-Recommendations.pdf19:37
udsloggershadeslayer: I just checked19:38
udsloggerIT DOES19:38
ScottKudslogger: They claim to have -dbg packages.  Could you join #ubuntu-x?19:58
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CIA-96[ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101027192603-kzto5iuvvptg20bx * debian/ (24 files in 2 dirs) (log message trimmed)20:26
CIA-96koffice (1:2.2.83-0ubuntu1) natty; urgency=low * Merge with Debian git remaining20:26
CIA-96changes: - Add build-deps on librcps-dev, opengtl-dev, libqtgtl-dev,20:26
* txwikinger tries to figure out if anybody assigned him any action items21:04
shtylmanhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuBacklog21:04
shtylmanwe should look at adding and maintaining this document :)21:04
txwikingershtylman: yes indeed21:05
* txwikinger wonders how ScottK gets to do any paid work21:06
txwikingerif I would read all the channels I am in, I would not do anything else21:06
txwikingerhmm.. which session should I goto now?21:09
txwikingerSo what was the conclusion from last session?21:10
shadeslayertxwikinger: Riddell is going to schedule another session to complete the discussion21:11
txwikingercool21:11
txwikingerwhen?21:11
shadeslayerdunno21:11
shadeslayerudslogger: where are you?21:11
shadeslayertxwikinger: probably tmmrq21:11
shadeslayertmmrw21:12
txwikingerok21:12
txwikingerno more Kubuntu session left today, right?21:12
shadeslayerdont think so21:13
shadeslayerim in the backports one21:13
Riddelltxwikinger: when would you like me to schedule it?21:20
Riddellshadeslayer: who's the guy that wanted me to get a server for KDE?21:23
shadeslayerRiddell: its sayakb from #kde-www21:23
shadeslayerRiddell: did you get one?21:24
RiddellI think so :)21:24
shadeslayer( you could proabably ask anyone in #kde-www to set it up or whatever )21:24
RiddellScottK: I take it I need to reschedule the kolab server session?21:25
shadeslayerRiddell: hes busy speaking backport language in Bonaire 121:26
shadeslayer:P21:26
udsloggershadeslayer: visiting mickey21:39
udsloggerlike srsly21:39
shadeslayerudslogger: whaaa21:39
shadeslayerudslogger: where?21:39
shadeslayer:P21:39
udsloggerdisney world21:39
shadeslayerudslogger: really?21:40
shadeslayerwhy did you not tell me!!!!21:40
ScottKRiddell: Shoot.  Yes.21:40
ScottKDidn't see it.21:40
shadeslayerudslogger: damn you!21:40
Riddellshadeslayer: go to reception quickly and ask if there are any more tickets left21:40
shadeslayercoming21:40
udsloggermaco: yes you can ask me for c++ ;)21:41
RiddellScottK: I guess I need to e-mail paul and ask for a time21:41
udsloggerin fact you can also come and sit next to me and ask me in person ;)21:41
macoudslogger: too late, Riddell got it21:41
* maco compils21:41
udsloggerohke ^^21:41
maco*compiles21:41
maconot quite done, but...close!21:41
udsloggerso, why did I start quassel actually...21:41
shtylmanScottK: I sent the tweet to kubuntu_news asking for the logo change21:43
shtylmanshall see if anything comes of it21:43
ScottKshtylman: Thanks.21:44
Quintasanoh god21:45
Quintasanit turned out sooo bad21:45
rgreeninglots of turbulance in koffice21:45
shtylmanrgreening: how come?21:47
rgreeningsome split about to happen. just reading th elists on kde now21:47
shtylmanwhat split?21:48
shtylmanmore drama?21:48
rgreeningyar21:52
shtylmanwhat is it this time?21:53
lontrahi where can i get a .svg of the new kubuntu icon?21:53
shtylmanwho is complaining about what?21:53
shtylmanlontra: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuArtwork21:53
macoRiddell: can you come to bonaire 7?21:53
lontrashtylman: thanks21:53
lontrashtylman: do you know where i can get just the icon and not the wording or is it there too somewhere?21:54
shtylmanlontra: just download the whole svg and delete the wording21:54
shtylman:)21:54
lontrahmm i'll see what i can do21:55
shtylmaninkscape is a good editor for that21:56
shtylmanI guess we should post just the icon someplace21:56
lontrashtylman: yeah i was going to try inkscape21:56
* udslogger turns into a butterfly and flies away21:58
lontrashtylman: yeah that's not working too well for me22:06
shtylmanlontra: what format do you want the icon in? svg?22:07
lontrayeah22:07
Riddellmaco: what's in bonaire 7?22:07
lontrashtylman: i want it to replace the kmenu icon22:08
shtylmanare you running lucid?22:08
lontramaverick22:08
shtylmank22:08
shtylmanthere is already an icon packaged22:08
lontraoh22:08
shtylmanif you click on other icons in the (change icon dialog) for the kmenu22:09
shtylmanyou will see the icon22:09
lontraoh you're right!22:09
lontramuch easier ;)22:09
lontrathanks22:10
udsloggerdantti: if the pk transactions database is busted the daemon will go down and there is no way for a user to know what is going on22:29
udsloggerkpk will just say that a transaction failed or something22:29
udsloggerthere really should be a way to recover from that ... like if the database is busted, just remove it and recreate22:30
shadeslayerudslogger: whats KonqSettings::openWithItems() ?? ideas?22:30
udsloggerit opens with items22:31
udsloggerJontheEchidna: ping22:32
udsloggerJontheEchidna: ping ping22:32
JontheEchidnaudslogger: pong22:32
udsloggerJontheEchidna: ping ping ping22:32
JontheEchidnaudslogger: pong pong22:32
JontheEchidnaudslogger: pong pong pong22:32
macoudslogger: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/qdomnamednodemap.html  <-- this is confusing :(  22:33
udsloggerJontheEchidna: yo, can you try kubuntu-debug-installer /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/dri/i810_dri.so22:33
JontheEchidnalol22:33
JontheEchidnaphail22:33
* JontheEchidna loads up gdb22:33
udsloggerJontheEchidna: for me it seems m_backend->packageForFile(file); is not returning anything22:33
udsloggernot entirely sure if it is my system or qapt22:33
udsloggermaco: how so?22:34
udsloggermaco: where are you?22:34
JontheEchidnait should at least return 0 if no package was found22:34
* udslogger is a bit bored here22:34
udsloggerJontheEchidna: no22:34
udslogger2 is return for no package found22:34
udslogger#define ERR_NO_SYMBOLS 222:34
JontheEchidnaI mean, packageForFile22:35
JontheEchidnahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/521019/22:35
udsloggershadeslayer is copying code from supremekonqueror and does not know what it does :P22:35
shadeslayerhahha22:35
shadeslayer:P22:36
udsloggerJontheEchidna: oh, well, does it not return 0?22:36
shadeslayer( thats true :P )22:36
udsloggermy gdb is a bit strange today, so I couldnt tell22:36
JontheEchidnalemme start gdb22:36
shadeslayerheh22:36
shadeslayersupreme udslogger's gdb is broken22:36
shadeslayeralong with his polkit22:36
udsloggerI did not say broken, it is just acting strange22:36
udsloggermaybe it is having a bad day22:36
shadeslayerbroken .... strange.... big difference 22:36
udsloggerlike it also went drinking with ScottK22:37
JontheEchidnaaha22:37
JontheEchidnait's crashing in package->installedFilesList()22:37
udsloggerJontheEchidna: doesnt crash here :O22:37
ScottK;-)22:37
udsloggerjust goes I aint not knowing that stupid package you stupid fplease22:37
shadeslayeroh oh oh 22:37
JontheEchidnaoh, it crashes here22:38
JontheEchidnathought that was what you were talking about22:38
udsloggershadeslayer just explained to me that qmax(1,0) will return 1 :P22:38
JontheEchidnaThough I think I know what recent change broke that22:38
shadeslayer:P22:38
udsloggerJontheEchidna: no, it returns nothing and in turn means kdi will not find a dbg package22:38
shadeslayerudslogger is getting old 22:38
udsloggerwhich sux22:38
udsloggeryes22:38
JontheEchidnaudslogger: wouldn't /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/dri/i810_dri.so already be in a -dbg package?22:39
udsloggerJontheEchidna: oh22:39
shadeslayerudslogger should train me to become next udslogger22:39
udsloggerah22:39
udsloggerehm22:39
* udslogger is ashamed22:39
JontheEchidna;)22:39
JontheEchidnaudslogger: thanks tho, you caught a crash in trunk22:39
udsloggerwell22:40
udsloggerJontheEchidna: /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so doesnt work either22:40
ScottKudslogger: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phonon/4:4.7.0really4.4.2-1ubuntu222:40
udsloggerkdi also terminates with 222:40
ScottKThank you.22:40
udsloggeryay22:40
* udslogger is supreme22:40
shadeslayerScottK: only 2 vars left to fix22:41
shadeslayerand then rekonq should have open with22:41
udsloggerso he said without knowing what the code actually does22:42
udslogger...22:42
shadeslayerudslogger: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+recipe/qtwebkit/+build/579422:42
* udslogger is going to look for maco22:42
udslogger...22:42
CIA-96[libqapt] jmthomas * 1190494 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/package.cpp Only do removeLast on non-empty file lists. ;-) Fixes a crash in trunk. Thanks to udslogger.22:42
shadeslayerScottK: can you show https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+recipe/qtwebkit/+build/5794 to someone who works on lp ?22:42
shadeslayersomething is broken22:42
ScottKshadeslayer: I'm not sure who to talk to on LP stuff.22:43
macoudslogger: im in the big hallway next to the curacao little hal22:44
JontheEchidnaudslogger: I checked, and adding the qDebug function to line 7 did make it output the correct package name: http://paste.ubuntu.com/521028/22:44
JontheEchidnaudslogger: I can confirm the failure though22:44
JontheEchidnaI'll dig around in k-d-i22:46
shtylmanRiddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuBacklog 22:46
shtylmangot some blueprints/piratepads with items needing adding?22:47
shtylmanI will gladly add things22:47
shadeslayerbah22:47
shadeslayerill ask stevek22:48
CIA-96[trunk] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101027214815-nnv9ro1sm60as5rz * src/DebugFinder.cpp Indentation fix.22:48
JontheEchidnaoh22:51
JontheEchidnaah22:51
JontheEchidnaudslogger: I know what the problem is22:51
JontheEchidnaDebugFinder::getDebPkg only tries adding -dbg or -dbgsym to the package's source package name22:52
JontheEchidnae.g. kate's debug symbols are in kdesdk-dbg22:52
JontheEchidnabut the intel driver is in libgl1-mesa-dri22:52
JontheEchidnaand libgl1-mesa-dri's debug symbols are in libgl1-mesa-dri-dbg22:52
JontheEchidnabut libgl1-mesa-dri's source package is mesa22:53
JontheEchidnashould be easy enough to add a fallback for binary package name + "-dbg" || + "-dbgsym22:53
JontheEchidna"22:53
debfxJontheEchidna: it should look for the .so file in /usr/lib/debug instead of guessing the debug package name22:55
JontheEchidnadebfx: that would only work if the debug package was installed22:55
shadeslayerplugActionList ... what is that!!!!!!22:55
JontheEchidnaudslogger: http://imgur.com/BSfTg22:55
udsloggermaco: QString code = node.attributes().namedItem("code").nodeValue();22:55
udsloggeryippeee22:56
debfxin that case it needs to depend on apt-file :P22:56
JontheEchidnaapt-file is unreliable. it didn't work for me for all of the karmic and lucid cycles22:57
CIA-96[trunk] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101027215907-izdf056nsh7dui85 * (debian/changelog src/DebugFinder.cpp) Some packages' debug packages follow the format binaryPackageName + "-dbg". Use this as a fallback in case the semi-standard sourcePackageName + ("-dbg" || "-dbgsym") rule hasn't been followed.22:59
debfxit works for me but reimplementing it wouldn't be hard23:01
debfxthe only issue is that the Contents files are quite large23:01
JontheEchidnawow, finally works in natty23:02
debfxok, they are very large (17 MB) ^^23:02
JontheEchidnawhat would be cool is if there could be a -dbg naming standard23:03
JontheEchidnamaybe we could get the "-dbgsym from ddebs.ubuntu.com" thing working more reliably. Then we would know that it would be sourcePackage + -dbgsym23:04
JontheEchidnaudslogger: you wanna release an 11.04ubuntu1 of k-d-i or should I?23:06
JontheEchidnaoops, left in a few kdebugs23:11
debfxhow is ddebs.u.c unreliable?23:11
JontheEchidnak-d-i's support of it is23:13
JontheEchidnadoesn't check to see if it's in the sources.list23:13
JontheEchidnaso if it wasn't already enabled, it's going to be pretty much useless23:13
CIA-96[trunk] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101027221142-35lbblrwga51j3ch * src/ (DebugFinder.cpp DebugFinder.h) (log message trimmed)23:13
CIA-96kDebug() cleanup. Also rename getDebPkg to getDbgPkg. I changed the23:13
CIA-96functionality of getDebPkg into a debug package getter during the QApt port, but23:13
JontheEchidnanot any fault of the ddebs repo23:13
debfxah, yes23:15
JontheEchidnaI think that if the user wants to search for dbg symbols it should: 1) Add ddebs uri to sources.list, 2) check for updates, 3) Install dbg packages, 4) remove URI and re-update in the background23:15
JontheEchidnawouldn't be too hard, since all you have to do is plunk down a file in /etc/sources.list.d/, get the gpg key, and update the cache23:16
JontheEchidna*/etc/apt/sources.list.d/23:16
JontheEchidnaand as it just so happens, I wrote a "write file as root" function in the QApt Worker for config writing that could be used for this23:17
debfxthat wouldn't work for ppa packages though23:22
JontheEchidnatrue...23:22
CIA-96[libqapt] jmthomas * 1190510 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/config.cpp SVN_SILENT: Style fix.23:22
JontheEchidnaIt'd be neat if you could run pkgbinarymangler on ppas for dbgsym separation only23:26

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