[01:09] <maheanuu> If anyone is seeing this, would you please email me at maheanuu.tane@gmail.com as I am not seeing any conversations at all in here, although I do see my post after I send it....   I think that it is Mana causing the problem as I had a dickens of a time getting in here just now
[01:10] <aveilleux> maheanuu ping
[02:24] <deejoe> do we have anyone who speaks persian
[02:25] <deejoe> ?
[03:19] <johnny77> Anyone up for a conversation about how Gnome and KDE work?
[03:20] <johnny77>  I just read that Linux is like legos and Gnome and KDE are just packages. So can any "gnome" program work in KDE and vice versa?
[03:20] <aveilleux> johnny77: What do you mean by "work"?
[03:20] <collinp> Linux is like Legos, but with a singular base - the Linux kernel.
[03:20] <johnny77> aveilleux, how they are put together.
[03:20] <aveilleux> johnny77: As long as the libraries are there on the system, it doesn't matter if the program was written for GNOME or KDE
[03:21] <collinp> GNOME and KDE are both desktop environments. GNOME uses GTK while KDE uses QT, but you can run GTK applications on KDE or QT apps on GNOME.
[03:21] <johnny77> so the plasma desktop could be loaded in gnome?
[03:21] <aveilleux> johnny77: Programs written in Qt can run properly in GNOME (see Amarok) and any GTK program can run properly in KDE (see Brasero)
[03:21] <aveilleux> johnny77: Plasmids could, yes
[03:22] <collinp> The way KDE works is that most everything is dependent upon Plasma, so you would effectively be loading KDE on top of GNOME if you can do that.
[03:22] <aveilleux> johnny77: You'd generally not run both GNOME and KDE simultaneously, they do the same thing and it would just cause problems
[03:22] <aveilleux> johnny77: You can, however, run KDE programs on GNOME and vice-versa without a problem
[03:23] <johnny77> So I could completely drop the KDE panel and run the gnome panel or run both to get features of both.
[03:24] <aveilleux> johnny77: Theoretically, yes
[03:25] <johnny77> Honestly, I'm finding things in both I like, but don't really want to keep logging in and out. I'm trying to fingure out how I can combine the best of both to get what I want.
[03:26] <johnny77> I'm curious how the two work together and independently. i.e. If I load the gnome panel in KDE and edit it, when I log back into gnome will it retain the edit I made it KDE?
[03:26] <aveilleux> johnny77: Yes, the settings are retained.
[03:29] <johnny77> If I play around with something and it "breaks" KDE, I should be able to just log into gnome and reinstall KDE? Probably depends on how bad the break is, right?
[03:31] <aveilleux> johnny77: You always have the option of reinstallation, but a better idea would be to just clear the KDE settings
[03:34] <johnny77> Is there a way to make the icons on the gnome desktop only be on a certain workspace?
[03:34] <aveilleux> johnny77: Not that I'm aware of.
[03:36] <johnny77> aveilleux, that is one of my favorite features of KDE. I can set up a desktop for a certain function. And then switch to it, when I need to.
[03:36] <aveilleux> johnny77: GNOME handles the desktop differently
[03:38] <johnny77> And how it handles the desktop is a large part of what makes gnome gnome or KDE KDE, right?
[03:38] <johnny77> At least that is how I currently understand it.
[03:39] <aveilleux> johnny77: The desktop itself? That seems like very little of the desktop environment. The desktop itself is just a folder.
[03:39] <aveilleux> johnny77: The panels, window borders, menus and etc. are larger parts.
[03:42] <johnny77> it's hard to learn two similar, but different OS at the same time. It when I first start to understand, I get lost again.
[03:43] <aveilleux> johnny77: KDE and GNOME are not OSs. They are DEs, Desktop Environments.
[03:44] <_spacer_> hi room
[03:44] <johnny77> aveilleux, exactly! :)
[03:45] <johnny77> I think the most confusing thing, is coming from windows where window is both the OS and DE.
[03:45] <_spacer_> i am a complete ubuntu noob, attempting to achieve a fairly (at least it seems) complex task
[03:45] <aveilleux> _spacer_: What task
[03:45] <_spacer_> i want to run ubuntu 1010 headless, remotely
[03:45] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1010 in drivel (Ubuntu) "out-of-date (heat: 1)" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1010
[03:46] <aveilleux> _spacer_: Graphically? It can't be done.
[03:46] <aveilleux> _spacer_: X configures itself intrinsically, meaning it has to have a monitor attached.
[03:46] <_spacer_> not at all?
[03:47] <Cheri703> once it is set up it can be aveilleux...
[03:47] <aveilleux> _spacer_: There's really no reason to. Everything that can be done graphcally can be done in the command-line
[03:47] <aveilleux> Cheri703: No. You can't boot properly into the graphical environment without a monitor attached.
[03:47] <Cheri703> I did it earlier today
[03:47] <Cheri703> and then remote desktopped into it
[03:48] <Cheri703> because I moved my computer and hadn't hooked up the monitor yet and needed a file
[03:48] <aveilleux> Cheri703: I've been trying to do this since 9.04. The VNC engine won't run without a proper X session. Unless you set up a virtual X host, which is godawful to set up.
[03:48] <Cheri703> uhm, I did it earlier today
[03:48] <_spacer_> i dont doubt that, but i have very little experience with this system
[03:48] <Cheri703> I have it set to auto login, and I turned it on, it did its thing, and then I was able to access it
[03:49] <_spacer_> ok monitor or no, no big deal at this point
[03:49] <aveilleux> Cheri703: X refuses to start entirely without a monitor, or boots into safe graphics mode and won't let you connect until a user logs in (which is interrupted by the safe mode warning dialog)
[03:50] <aveilleux> _spacer_: Look into SSH. It's a command-line remote login system. Literally everything that has a graphical system can be done with the command-line (apart from obviously graphical things, like games)
[03:50] <Cheri703> ok, aveilleux I get what you're saying, but I did it earlier today. I went in via remote desktop with NO monitor connected, got transmission running, did my downloads via the web interface, then later hooked up the monitor, AGAIN remoted into it, opened "monitors" and then it recognized and came up
[03:50] <_spacer_> i am using remote x11vnc, and the ssl/ssh vnc client
[03:50] <aveilleux> _spacer_: This has nothing to dow ith VNC.
[03:50] <aveilleux> with*
[03:50] <_spacer_> im getting hung up on reboot
[03:51] <Cheri703> I also ssh -X 'd into it without the monitor hooked up
[03:51] <aveilleux> _spacer_: Yes, because X (the graphical environment) can't start properly without a monitor.
[03:51] <aveilleux> _spacer_: Look into PuTTY. Text-mode.
[03:51] <Cheri703> I am using the older kernel, so maybe that's got something to do with it, but...
[03:51] <Cheri703> it still works
[03:51] <aveilleux> Cheri703: Some hardware starts with a virtual monitor, that could be it. Certain types of video cards do, that is
[03:51] <_spacer_> there is a monitor attached for now, ideally i'd like to loose it but if i cant then it is fine for now
[03:52] <aveilleux> _spacer_: What are you looking to do on this system?
[03:52] <Cheri703> I will try it with a different video card, just to check
[03:52] <Cheri703> give me a bi
[03:52] <Cheri703> *bit
[03:53] <_spacer_> i have putty aswell, doesn't seem to be required with the ssl/ssh version of tight vnc
[03:53] <aveilleux> _spacer_: Ignore VNC. Answer my question, please.
[03:53] <_spacer_> well at the moment, iam
[03:53] <_spacer_> what i want to do with this system?
[03:54] <aveilleux> _spacer_: Yes.
[03:54] <_spacer_> mostly just to learn the system, i'd love to be free of the windows environment
[03:54] <_spacer_> a couple of things are of interest
[03:54] <aveilleux> _spacer_: A headless system is not the best learning point for Linux.
[03:55] <_spacer_> 1 a file server
[03:56] <_spacer_> i'm sure its not but if i can tuck the case away in my closet and access it from my laptop, well that would be pretty cool
[03:56] <Cheri703> aveilleux, _spacer_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System
[03:56] <aveilleux> _spacer_: You can do everything you want to do with that from command-line.
[03:56] <Cheri703> x is designed to be used over a network and NOT specifically through attached harware
[03:57] <Cheri703> *hardware
[03:57] <Cheri703> aveilleux: as a new person, they may not WANT to use the command line, whether possible or not
[03:57]  * Cheri703 doesn't want to if avoidable
[03:57] <aveilleux> Cheri703: It will simplify matters a hundredfold.
[03:58] <Cheri703> not to people used to gui's
[03:58] <aveilleux> _spacer_: I run two servers from command-line, and they operate as Web, file, SHOUTcast and game servers. And they run from command-line.
[03:58] <Cheri703> and a lot of people are comfortable with that, a lot of people are not
[03:59] <Cheri703> _spacer_: check this link out: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO.html
[03:59] <Cheri703> sorry if you're getting caught in the middle there _spacer_
[04:00] <_spacer_> thats the thing, like most people i learnt on a gui system.  i'm planning on learning the command line, but my wife is up one side of me and down the other for all these friggen computer and cables all over the place
[04:00] <_spacer_> no worries
[04:00] <Cheri703> yeah, I'm a gui person who learns cli as needed :)
[04:00] <paultag> _spacer_, rock out with the GUI until you're cool with it
[04:00] <Cheri703> hopefully that xdmcp thing will help
[04:00] <paultag> _spacer_, keep at it. Cheri703 rocks, listen to her :)
[04:00] <Cheri703> _spacer_: one thing that may have helped mine was to set up auto login, it's under system > administration > login screen
[04:01] <Cheri703> ha! I'm still learning
[04:01] <_spacer_> thanks paul i will
[04:01] <Cheri703> that way you don't end up with it stuck in limbo or something
[04:01] <Cheri703> I have NO idea if that is the missing piece, but something to try
[04:01] <Cheri703> also you will need to set up the password for connecting (this threw me for a while)
[04:01] <_spacer_> thats one other thing i was tring to avoid... auto login
[04:01] <Cheri703> ok, hang on then, one sec
[04:02] <_spacer_> i actually tried to use that but i was getting hung up on the whole keyring pass thingy
[04:02] <_spacer_> sure sp
[04:02] <Cheri703> ok, go to system > preferences > remote desktop
[04:03] <_spacer_> ok
[04:03] <Cheri703> and I know you're using some other vnc program, but start there, set up access
[04:03] <_spacer_> ok there
[04:04] <Cheri703> ok, that *should* let you log in via vnc from another comp, and I *think* you have to be logged in to use that
[04:04] <_spacer_> i have allow view, control
[04:04] <_spacer_> and user pass thats it, oh and never display and icon
[04:05] <_spacer_> + my network ip
[04:05] <Cheri703> yeah, put in a password on that, yeah
[04:06] <Cheri703> then try from another computer, just to check that you have access
[04:06] <_spacer_> yeah if i reboot, im done.  need to run down and enter the pass word
[04:06] <_spacer_> oh i can vnc np, its the whole login thats messin me up
[04:07] <Cheri703> ok, so that's where we will try the auto login, just to check things out. I will look to see if there's another method (probably is)
[04:07] <Cheri703> oh, ok...sorry, was confused on that
[04:07] <Cheri703> ok, so go to system > administration > login screen and choose the auto login
[04:07] <Cheri703> might have to go to users and choose "not asked at login" or something
[04:07] <_spacer_> i read somewhere about ssh into the box, login that way is that a possibility?
[04:08] <Cheri703> uhm, maybe? I have ssh'd, but not to do that
[04:08] <_spacer_> i can get in via ssh, but unable to start the vnc server
[04:08] <_spacer_> or display for that matter
[04:09] <Cheri703> AH, ok
[04:09] <Cheri703> you want just file server mainly?
[04:09] <Cheri703> at the moment?
[04:09]  * Cheri703 got distracted by all of the other stuff
[04:10] <Cheri703> from terminal type: ssh -X IPAddressOfServerComputer
[04:10] <Cheri703> wait...are you on a linux computer now?
[04:10] <Cheri703> sorry...I need to ask these things first
[04:10] <_spacer_> really just want to be able to have complete control of the desktop remotely, file server and all that stuff is secondary
[04:10] <Cheri703> ok
[04:10] <_spacer_> yes i am running both at the moment
[04:10] <Cheri703> because you can access files graphically via ssh, but not the desktop that way
[04:10] <Cheri703> ok
[04:11] <Cheri703> from terminal type: ssh -X IPAddressOfServerComputer  it will ask you to confirm stuff and login and whatnot
[04:11] <_spacer_> i am running xp on my laptop (for now)
[04:11] <Cheri703> ok
[04:11] <Cheri703> nvm
[04:11] <Cheri703> sorry
[04:11] <Cheri703> why don't you want it to auto login?
[04:12] <_spacer_> oh sorry,flippin touchpad just went all wrangy on me
[04:13] <Cheri703> np
[04:13] <_spacer_> i dont want to auto login because i have a 15 yo son
[04:13] <Cheri703> ahhh...ok
[04:13] <Cheri703> that makes sense :)
[04:13] <Cheri703> hmm...
[04:13] <_spacer_> hey is currently on internet ban, and would do anyhting to get on his msn
[04:14] <Cheri703> understandable
[04:14] <_spacer_> ok so where were we
[04:14] <Cheri703> I'm pondering
[04:14] <Cheri703> I think we got thrown off track initially by the whole boot into x headlessly or not topic
[04:15] <Cheri703> so here's what I understand: you want to a. be headless, b. have full desktop control, c. not auto-login
[04:15] <_spacer_> you got it exactly
[04:15] <_spacer_> am i asking too much?
[04:15] <Cheri703> I don't think so
[04:15] <Cheri703> a. should not be a problem
[04:15] <Cheri703> b. in theory shouldn't be a problem
[04:15] <_spacer_> i didn't think so either
[04:16] <Cheri703> c. is where I'm not super familiar but I will look
[04:16] <shahan> Hello
[04:17] <Cheri703> hi
[04:17] <_spacer_> if you can do anything from command line, then it shouldn't be a stretch to think that the login could be satisfied from ssh session
[04:17] <shahan> I have a xubuntu 10.10 cd, now I want to create an .iso from this cd and want to store the .iso on my PC
[04:18] <_spacer_> can you not download the .iso?
[04:18] <Cheri703> yeah, I think I've found something
[04:18] <Cheri703> _spacer_: see if this is helpful/makes sense: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8913391&postcount=10
[04:19] <Cheri703> shahan: if you can't download it, you *may* be able to use brasero (or whatever the xubuntu equivalent is, I have no idea) to create the iso, I would suggest testing it once created though
[04:20] <_spacer_> reading brb
[04:20] <_spacer_> thx btw
[04:20] <shahan> Cheri703, I am on Maverick. just want to create the .iso from that xubuntu cd..... ok... I am trying
[04:21] <Cheri703> shahan: in brasero, it'd be the "disc copy" option
[04:22] <Cheri703> _spacer_: no problem :) if you can deal with my fumbling over myself, and something helpful is in there, then awesome :)
[04:22] <shahan> ChanServ, its for cd/dvd to cd/dvd  copy
[04:23] <Cheri703> no, you can choose image file
[04:24] <Cheri703> under "select disc to write to" there should be the option for "image file"
[04:25] <_spacer_> read thru looks like it makes sense, im gonna give it a go.
[04:25] <Cheri703> good luck!
[04:25] <Cheri703> let me know if it works
[04:25] <Cheri703> I'm going to bookmark that page :)
[04:34] <_spacer_> yeah, its getting late gonna try in the am, thx for your help.  I'll stop back in tomorrow and let you know how it works out.
[04:34] <_spacer_> thanks for all your help either way.
[04:34] <Cheri703> kk, sure :) have a good night
[04:34] <_spacer_> and you
[04:35] <Cheri703> shahan: did you find it?
[05:04] <shahan> Cheri703, Brasero is creating a .toc file
[05:04] <shahan> its not .iso file
[05:04] <Cheri703> hmm...
[05:05] <Cheri703> http://www.sajeshcherian.com/2010/08/convert-brasero-images-into-iso-format.html
[05:09] <shahan> Cheri703, tnx... hope it will be helpful.
[05:09] <Cheri703> sure
[05:10] <shahan> electricity gone....
[05:10] <shahan> will be back after an hour
[05:10] <shahan> bye
[05:10] <Cheri703> k, bye
[05:40] <ggeorgy> hi ? :)  how create a shortcut to a sh file? :)
[05:44] <JoeMaverickSett> ggeorgy: right click > Make link > drag that link to anywhere you want :)
[05:46] <ggeorgy> ok thanks :)
[06:29] <shahan> back
[07:10] <safetynet> This is a new install of Meercat, I download a file and cannot find it in the "Download" folder under "Places" Any idea's what going on ? ?
[07:11] <safetynet> Ah never mind I found it.......
[07:40] <shahan> I am from xubuntu now
[07:42] <Rahi> how can I add ubuntu repository on xubuntu?
[07:43] <Rahi> repositoy is not downloading anything
[07:44] <hobgoblin> Rahi: if you added it did you also update?
[07:46] <Rahi> hobgoblin no
[07:47] <hobgoblin> then you need to - add repository - update - stuff in new repo available
[07:47] <hobgoblin> no idea what gui tool is available in xubuntu - but in a terminal sudo apt-get update will work
[07:48] <Rahi> hmm.... xubuntu 's gui is not strong ....
[07:48] <Rahi> have many bugs I think
[08:03] <bioterror> I would like to know about these bugs
[08:10] <hobgoblin> bioterror: I think bug in this case = I don't know what I need to do as I can't find it
[08:10] <bioterror> dont say it like that! the problem is never between the seat and the display
[08:56] <shahan> getting no sound on my MAVERICK
[09:35] <jappie> bioterror, sorry I never reacted yesterday...my internet connection had problems and it took nearly all day to get it fixed! You were saying about my imap problem that I have to adjust where I store my send emails?
[09:37] <bioterror> oh
[09:37]  * bioterror hamemrs head
[09:37] <bioterror> hammers
[09:37] <bioterror> I dont have a evolution near me (i'm at work ;)
[09:38] <bioterror> maybe I could soon try go google something
[09:44] <jappie> bioterror, thanks! Kind of a bummer that it won;t work well with evolution. ...I tried a bunch but maybe I have to switch back to pop3 or something.
[09:45] <bioterror> no you dont
[09:45] <bioterror> pop3 is not an option
[09:45] <jappie> that's what I hoped for:-)
[09:46] <jappie> ps..any idea why my media-tech mt40290 webcam will not work with actual calls in skype? I works fine in skype test mode.
[09:53] <bioterror> jappie, it might take a while from to get evolution running. so I'm hoping someone with already running evolution could help you
[09:53] <bioterror> I'm stuck for another 5 to 6 hours at my work plus an hour for traveling back to home ;)
[09:55] <jappie> bioterror, now worries and no hurries! If anybody else can help great, if not I can wait until tonight or tomorrow! Thanks !
[09:56] <bioterror> yeah, I'll help you as soon as I can
[09:56] <bioterror> I'll promise ;)
[10:00] <jappie> bioterror, I really appreciate it;-)
[10:00] <jappie> good luck at work!
[10:00] <bioterror> well
[10:00] <bioterror> moving profiles over network
[10:01] <bioterror> I just noticed that this chick has some m4a files and moving her profile folder takes a little longer than it usually takes. I should have walked downstairs, take her laptop and use usb drive
[10:15] <LeMoiLib> Hello world! I have this error when trying to update my packages:
[10:15] <LeMoiLib> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ lucid/partner Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_ubuntu_dists_lucid_partner_binary-i386_Packages)
[10:15] <LeMoiLib> Does anyone know what's wrong?
[10:15] <LeMoiLib> thanks
[10:16] <bioterror> you have same source twice
[10:16] <bioterror> open your software sources from synaptics or what every you use and check it
[10:18] <LeMoiLib> hi bio, looking....
[10:24] <LeMoiLib> Bio I found the same source twice and I remove one! It works fine now thanks. Bio, I know its not the place here but you might be able to help me, which channel do I go to if I have some programming issues?
[10:24] <bioterror> I'm not a programmer :)
[10:24] <bioterror> I'm local it support guy at tv/radio station ;)
[10:38] <ManikDepresif> hi
[10:39] <ManikDepresif> I have a question regarding to HP ProLiant Microserver and ubuntu installation
[10:39] <ManikDepresif> anyone can help around?
[10:51] <bioterror> http://www.sophos.com/blogs/gc/g/2010/10/27/firefox-hit-critical-zeroday-vulnerability/
[10:58] <LeMoiLib> Hey bio, hope still around! My old notebook just went to one of his long inner meditative state! I really admire you supporting other at tv/radio! I'm not a programmer myself, actually only lot of books with theory. But I wanted to learn on my own, but I promise you that's not easy! You'll hardly found a manual out where they don't assume basic clicking is obvious! The book you have to learn are not IDE specific unless sponsored by M$. Result ne
[11:03] <bioterror> hmmm
[11:03] <bioterror> result ne
[11:03] <bioterror> ends there
[12:11] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[12:11] <friTTe|> hi
[12:16] <kristian-aalborg> how do I stop linux from looking for my soundcard at startup?
[12:17] <kristian-aalborg> it doesn't find it, so I added it to a startup script.. thus there is no use of spending time on it during the "regular" boot
[12:25] <friTTe|> but it works ok?
[12:44] <kristian-aalborg> yes
[12:44] <kristian-aalborg> I'm just looking to maximize boot time ;)
[12:49] <bioterror> kristian-aalborg, you have to download kernel source and compile with minimal hardware configuration
[12:49] <kristian-aalborg> can't I just throw in a # somewhere?
[12:49] <bioterror> maximize boot time sounds fun
[12:50] <kristian-aalborg> bioterror: it is
[12:50] <bioterror> did you rather mean "minimize" :D
[12:50] <kristian-aalborg> maximize it from the viewpoint of the user, that is ;)
[12:50]  * kristian-aalborg saved it 
[12:54] <bioterror> kristian-aalborg, http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/Kernel-HOWTO.html start from there
[12:55] <kristian-aalborg> thanks, but kernel-building is beyond my capabilities
[12:55] <kristian-aalborg> there must be a script where I can disable looking for the sound card
[12:55] <bioterror> my lubuntu boots fast
[12:56] <kristian-aalborg> so does my slitaz... I'm just slightly annoyed by this
[12:56] <duanedesign> kristian-aalborg: have you looked at Bootchart yet? It automatically makes a chart of your system’s boot performance.
[12:56] <bioterror> I cant understand how disabling soundcard would make it "faster"
[12:56] <kristian-aalborg> it spends time looking for it... then does not find it
[12:56] <bioterror> ahhh, it was searching for something that doesnt work
[12:56] <kristian-aalborg> yes
[12:58] <kristian-aalborg> it does work, due to a line I added in some configuration file or other... but not via the normal boot
[13:46] <danielmontt> Hello, I have a problem with Ubuntu 10.04; I can run the Live CD with option "noapic", no problem, it runs quite well, then I install it to the hard drive and when it starts after a while it hangs up and that's it
[13:48] <yip> I got something weird. I tried installing frontpage with Wine. Something went terribly wrong and now I can uninstall it anymore. I re-started my machine and now when I start my Evolution mail I get a dialogscreen "openshh" which will not go away and I don;t want to type any of my passwords here...help please
[13:51] <yip> now suddenly the openshh disappeard....do I need to be worried?
[16:00] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[18:37] <jappie> I think I have a problem; When I start Evolution I get a "openshh" terminal and it won't let em do anything except write a password. I can't close the terminal and all other applications are not accessible. ON my desktop appears the message "could not grab keyboard. A malicous client maybe eavesdropping on your session". Not sure if it is related but this started appearing after  installed some software with Wine and this went wron
[18:37] <jappie> g and could not uninstall it(  I finally managed to uninstall but "openssh" keeps poping up in Evolution.  How do I close/stop this...
[18:39] <jappie> brb
[18:39] <bioterror> hi jappie
[18:39] <bioterror> just got home from work
[18:50] <jappie> hi Bioterror..
[18:50] <bioterror> hi
[18:50] <jappie> hope u had a good day!
[18:50] <bioterror> well
[18:50] <bioterror> I had to buy some chocolate and grapefruit limonade for my wife
[18:51] <jappie> must have mad her happy;-)
[18:51] <bioterror> well, hope so
[18:51] <jappie> I hope so too....mine is sometimes less easy to please...
[18:52] <bioterror> well
[18:52] <bioterror> about evolution
[18:52] <jappie> yes please
[18:53] <jappie> did you read about my openssh problem?
[18:54] <bioterror> well
[18:54] <bioterror> sounds weird
[18:55] <jappie> yes..it worries me! I did try to change some email setting for the imap to see if had some effect but that was much ealier.
[18:56] <jappie> When I use Wine or virtual box with XP installed, can I get Window virusses and such or no?
[18:56] <bioterror> trojans you might get ;)
[18:56] <bioterror> and basic malmware
[18:56] <bioterror> but that machine should be behind NAT
[18:57] <jappie> so should install anti-virus in VB and Wine?
[18:57] <jappie> what is NAT?
[18:57] <bioterror> Network Address Translation
[18:58] <jappie> ps...I do have Ubuntu Firewall installed and does not show anything in its log
[18:59] <bioterror> you should have AppArmor by default
[19:01] <jappie> Any ideas what I can do to get rid of the openshh?
[19:02] <bioterror> jappie, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1008906
[19:03] <bioterror> I use openssh all the time
[19:03] <bioterror> you dont want to get rid of that?
[19:05] <jappie> I want to get rid of the fact when I open Evolution that it brings up openshh and everything freezes. (Probably not openshh)
[19:05] <bioterror> can you take screenshot?
[19:08] <bioterror> jappie, waiting my daughter to fall asleep
[19:08] <bioterror> then I can check  that evolution
[19:09] <jappie> bioterror...great..will check up on my 2 boys and kiss them goodnite...and be back in a bit:-)
[19:28] <bioterror> jappie, that was easy! ;D
[19:30] <bioterror> jappie, Edit -> Preferences -> Mail Accounts -> Edit your account -> Defaults tab -> Sent Message Folder -> Choose your remote folder
[19:36] <jappie> im back....will start what u suggested...
[19:43] <jappie> Bioterror...U R the MAN!!!! It works great!
[19:44] <bioterror> ofkooz ;)
[19:47] <jappie> bioterror,  (I think...oeps) I figured out what it was with the openshh. I created a new email account and played around with the (wrong) options. I deleted this account from Evolution and now the openshh is gone. I will re-create it in a minute and configure it correctly.
[19:52] <bioterror> :)
[21:44] <kosaidpo> hello
[21:44] <kosaidpo> any idea how to kno the size of the installed packages ?
[22:26] <zeacuss> hello
[22:27] <zeacuss> \what is this
[22:27] <zeacuss> is this a chat
[22:27] <zeacuss> ?
[22:33] <aveilleux> Well then.
[22:38] <ibuclaw> lol
[23:20] <johnny77> I was looking for a gmail notifier in KDE and found that Google has developed one. I've pastebinned how they told me to install. Now while I trust Google, I'm curious from a learning point what they are telling me to do. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/521044/
[23:22] <aveilleux> johnny77: They're having you download the source and compile it yourself
[23:22] <aveilleux> johnny77: Instead of using sudo make install, though, you should do sudo checkinstall
[23:24] <johnny77> aveilleux: thanks again!
[23:27] <johnny77> aveilleux: do you use or familiar with KDE 4.5?
[23:27] <aveilleux> johnny77: No, not really
[23:27] <johnny77> aveilleux: ok, just checking.
[23:32] <johnny77> In trying to install gmail notifier made by google I ran into this error http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/521049/ Can anyone help?