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duanedesignevening all00:15
senseevening duanedesign00:18
duanedesignsense: you going to the happy hour tonight?00:20
senseduanedesign: I think we'll be out for dinner then.00:21
duanedesignahh00:21
duanedesignsense: you getting adjusted yet to the time zone difference :)00:22
duanedesigni woke up early yesterday and walked around and I saw all our friends from across the pond were up and about00:22
duanedesign:)00:23
senseI sleep long enough, don't get up early. I guess I'm tired enough to keep sleeping. ;)00:24
duanedesign:)00:25
sensejcastro: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-n-upstream-contacts needs a series, otherwise its work-items will not show up on the burn-down charts.00:33
doctormojcastro: paultag said to let you know you're crap.04:14
doctormoDon't ask me why04:14
paultagThat's not what I said at all!04:14
paultagdoctormo, I said to go to the bar and tell him he *sucks*. He's not crap.04:15
doctormoI translated it to ENGLISH04:15
paultagahha04:15
sensegood night everyone04:17
nigelbhola folks04:19
Technovikingis the freenode closure message true?04:25
nigelbwhaaa!04:27
doctormoTechnoviking: link04:27
Technovikingthink ir was a fake message04:29
nhandlerTechnoviking: Yes, it was just spam. No real announcements would come as a normal public message. They would come as global notices and/or on the site/blog04:32
Technovikingthought so04:33
nhandlerThe unidentified user without a staff cloak getting killed for posting the message is also a good hint ;)04:34
nigelbheh04:35
nigelbmorning AlanBell :)06:02
czajkowskialoha06:59
AlanBellmorning08:29
nigelbAlanBell: hey08:34
nigelbAlanBell: How did the drinking game go? ;)08:34
AlanBellI got 18 words08:45
AlanBellit was a bit early in the day so I was playing with coffee08:45
duanedesignmorning all09:19
kim0o/ everyone :)09:20
nigelbdammit kim0 , have you no sleep?09:42
nigelbduanedesign: ^^ you too09:42
* kim0 not at UDS09:42
* nigelb hugs kim0 09:43
* kim0 hugs nigelb :)09:43
nisshhakgraner, shame about your house :(10:17
popeyyikes! Sorry to hear that akgraner10:31
duanedesignakgraner:  what happened :o11:13
duanedesignnigelb!!11:13
duanedesignnigelb: are you going to be able to remote participate today?11:14
popeyduanedesign: http://akgraner.com/?p=76311:16
nigelbduanedesign: doubtful, have a packed schedule today11:24
duanedesignnigelb: ok. wish you were here, Alan too. :)11:34
czajkowskialoha11:43
nigelbmorning czajkowski :)11:46
cjohnstonmornin11:47
* nigelb waves to cjohnston 11:47
nigelbcjohnston: Did you find floor space to sleep?11:47
cjohnstonno11:49
cjohnstonlol11:49
nigelbhaha11:52
nigelbcjohnston: did ya try bribing Daviey with caffeine stock for 6 months? :p11:52
cjohnstonno11:53
cjohnstonheh11:53
duanedesignmorning cjohnston11:54
cjohnstonhey duanedesign11:54
czajkowskiTEAM REPORTS REMINDER!11:59
nhandlerBleh, I need a new computer. My current one is starting to fail one part at a time on me. It now won't even stay powered on through the night while plugged in.12:40
czajkowski:(12:42
czajkowskinhandler: pimping reports at sessions12:42
Pendulumnhandler: she's a good pimp too. Very vocal and very persuasive :P12:43
nigelbhahahaha12:43
nhandlerczajkowski: Are any details of the discussions available anywhere? I saw a mere bullet on some blueprint mentioning it12:43
czajkowskiyesterday in round table12:43
czajkowskiso some folks still find it hard to create a wiki...12:43
Pendulumyou could look at the gobby doc12:43
czajkowski*sigh*12:43
czajkowskiso we;re gonna come up with a cheat sheet for it12:44
czajkowskiand also get thet team reporting page translated12:44
nhandlerczajkowski: That might be the case for some people (especially some LoCo teams), but I still think the key reason many people despise them is that it requires sitting down and thinking about what the team has done during the month and writing it down (which takes some time and is boring). I'm going to look back at the team-reports stats script (now that I think we have team report headings that match up with ...12:46
nhandler... LP). Maybe getting a box on the HoF or somewhere might make this more interesting by adding a small element of competition12:46
nigelbnhandler: +112:46
nhandlerThat is assuming my computer remains functional12:46
nigelbhrm, I should get around to classroom team reports12:46
nigelband accesibility12:46
nhandlernigelb: The classroom report is usually pretty easy. Normally, it is just going through our calendar12:47
nigelbthankfully12:47
nigelbaccessibility is challenging12:47
Pendulumnigelb: I know there's a page up already12:48
nigelbPendulum: I saw, I want to add a few12:49
Pendulum*nods*12:49
Pendulumnigelb: also, you may want to liase with charlie-tca on some of the bug-related stuff12:50
nigelbPendulum: I should, waiting for my laptop return again :/12:50
Pendulumyeah, no worries.12:50
AlanBellczajkowski: we talked about replacing gobby with etherpad before, is there any plan to do so?12:54
AlanBellone of the issues was that gobby was more accessible than etherpad, however gobby 0.5 is not accessible, the edit window is silent12:56
nhandlerHaving our own gobby server for the UDS stuff is also nice for people who want to go back later in the cycle to look at the discussions (pretty easy to find them there)12:57
AlanBellI am pretty sure that etherpad can be made to be accessible12:57
AlanBellnhandler: how is that different to etherpad?12:57
AlanBellif we set up pad.ubuntu.com then there would be a much better history of changes, no random deletions and a server that stays up given enough ram12:58
nhandlerAlanBell: If they were to setup pad.ubuntu.com (or something similar), it would probably be used for much more than UDS (which isn't a bad thing)12:58
AlanBellprobably, yes12:58
AlanBellbut if the summit schedule had a pad URL on each session that would be the index to it all12:59
nhandlerIt is nice having only the UDS stuff on the current gobby. So basically, I am in favor of setting up pad.ubuntu.com, but I still like gobby for UDS12:59
nhandlerAlanBell: The summit schedule is a PITA (due to being so large). The links would be nice for during UDS, but I'm not sure how long they would stay up afterwards13:00
AlanBellslap them all in a wiki page or even a pad document13:01
nhandlerIMO, the best place for them would be in the comment section of the relevant blueprint. That way, you have the discussion and the resulting action items13:02
AlanBelleven better13:03
AlanBellthere is a url link on the blueprints already, just point that to an etherpad server, job done13:04
AlanBelle.g. http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/packageselection-dx-n-unity-a11y13:05
nhandlerAlanBell: The URL (I think you are talking about) is for a detailed Spec. Re-using it for the discussion stuff might get confusing13:06
AlanBellhmm, possibly13:06
popeyetherpad > gobby13:06
popeyin almost every single way13:06
AlanBellbut just matching the blueprint name with etherpad URL as above would work fine13:07
AlanBellnow that the gobby accessibility is broken I am unaware of any valid reason for sticking with it13:10
popeyproblem is nobody thinks about this issue until UDS itself13:11
AlanBellwell the *only* reason I didn't push for it this cycle is because Luke Yelavich asked me not to because gobby was accessible13:12
popeywhats luke doing this cycle?13:17
popeygiven he's there, and he must be involved in sessions13:17
AlanBellhe is doing a lot on Unity accessibility and maybe some work on the installer13:19
AlanBellhe is involved in sessions13:19
popeyno, thats not what I meant13:20
popeyI meant, what is he doing to enable his involvement if gobby is broken from an a11y perspective?13:21
AlanBellI am scribing in the accessibility sessions13:51
AlanBellI would assume he is taking his own notes, but with gobby down more than it is up I don't think he is bothering with it13:53
czajkowskiAlanBell: problem with etherpad is one swift move and the document is deleted14:03
AlanBellwhut?14:03
AlanBellthat is the problem with gobby14:03
AlanBellnot etherpad14:04
AlanBellI have no idea how to delete an etherpad document14:04
czajkowskiselecting it all and deleting it14:04
czajkowskiremoves it there is no undo14:04
czajkowskialso being able to save gobby remotely is good14:05
czajkowskiproblem atm with gobby is it wont stay up14:05
popeyczajkowski: lies14:13
popeythere is undo14:13
czajkowskireally...14:13
popeyyes14:13
czajkowskihmm14:13
popeythats kinda the whole point14:13
popeyyou can roll back any change14:14
czajkowskiI knew I could save14:14
czajkowskithanks14:14
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AlanBellhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-etherpad-for-uds14:37
senseAlanBell: Will it really take a whole session to decide to switch?14:40
AlanBellwell yes, it will take a bit of discussion of the merits, and plan out who is going to do what to make it happen14:41
AlanBellcould be done in another session perhaps if there is one appropriate14:41
AlanBellbut it is going to need action items for implementation and might need server resources14:41
AlanBelleasier to get that stuff if there is a clear decision at UDS to do it14:42
czajkowskipaultag: grrrrrrr missing channel18:33
cjohnstonlol18:34
czajkowskiPici: ping19:14
Piciczajkowski: pong19:15
czajkowskiPici: can you poke nafallo he's looking to talk re bots19:15
czajkowskiplease19:15
Piciczajkowski: sure.  Now?19:16
czajkowskiyes in pm19:18
czajkowskior else near the stand at uds19:19
jcastrokim0: nice job on the blogging!19:20
Piciczajkowski: I'd like to listen to the next plenary, so I'm in there.  I've sent him a pm.19:20
kim0jcastro: hey thanks ;)19:20
Technovikingafternoon all20:11
kim0afternoon20:31
Technovikingkim0: howdy20:32
kim0going good :)20:32
kim0How about you20:32
Technovikingdoing well20:32
kim0cool20:34
Pendulumhiya kim020:36
kim0Pendulum: hey how's it going20:37
dholbachhey kim020:38
Pendulumkim0: not bad. you?20:38
kim0dholbach: hey daniel :)20:38
kim0Pendulum: going good too :)20:38
kim0dholbach: I actually miss our team call :)20:38
* dholbach hugs kim020:40
* kim0 hugs dholbach back20:40
cjohnstonbug 64481720:40
ubot2Launchpad bug 644817 in loco-directory "Global Event Page should list the team name and the event name (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64481720:40
nhandlerAlanBell: To answer your question from earlier, technically, the team reports are for Ubuntu teams. There is nothing stopping Canonical teams from using them, but I think in most cases, they try and utilize the most similar Ubuntu team's report.21:11
Technovikingjono: ping-a-ling21:44
czajkowskiTechnoviking: he's not so much on irc..21:45
Technovikingdholbach: ping21:46
dholbachTechnoviking, pong21:47
Technovikingdholbach: I'm trying to get a session at UDS added for Ubuntu Forums upgrade, can you help?21:47
dholbachTechnoviking, jcastro's your man21:47
dholbachTechnoviking, do you have a blueprint in launchpad for it?21:48
Technovikingdholbach: yes I do21:48
dholbachTechnoviking, give him the name of it and it should be fine21:48
dholbach... I guess :)21:48
Technoviking:)21:48
jonoTechnoviking, hey21:48
jonooh its all sorted21:48
Technovikingjono: yep21:49
jonocool :)21:49
jonobiab21:49
sensevish: Where are you?22:15
senseWe need you here!22:15
senseBug Squad Documentation review.22:15
vishsense: where?22:17
sensevish: BOnaire 522:17
vishsense: i'm in the china design review session..22:18
vishchineese even..22:18
senseok22:18
vishoh goody, 5min break..22:18
sensevish: What are you doing?22:18
vishcoming there for 5mins.. :)22:18
senseyay!22:19

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