[00:15] <duanedesign> evening all
[00:18] <sense> evening duanedesign
[00:20] <duanedesign> sense: you going to the happy hour tonight?
[00:21] <sense> duanedesign: I think we'll be out for dinner then.
[00:21] <duanedesign> ahh
[00:22] <duanedesign> sense: you getting adjusted yet to the time zone difference :)
[00:22] <duanedesign> i woke up early yesterday and walked around and I saw all our friends from across the pond were up and about
[00:23] <duanedesign> :)
[00:24] <sense> I sleep long enough, don't get up early. I guess I'm tired enough to keep sleeping. ;)
[00:25] <duanedesign> :)
[00:33] <sense> jcastro: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-n-upstream-contacts needs a series, otherwise its work-items will not show up on the burn-down charts.
[04:14] <doctormo> jcastro: paultag said to let you know you're crap.
[04:14] <doctormo> Don't ask me why
[04:14] <paultag> That's not what I said at all!
[04:15] <paultag> doctormo, I said to go to the bar and tell him he *sucks*. He's not crap.
[04:15] <doctormo> I translated it to ENGLISH
[04:15] <paultag> ahha
[04:17] <sense> good night everyone
[04:19] <nigelb> hola folks
[04:25] <Technoviking> is the freenode closure message true?
[04:27] <nigelb> whaaa!
[04:27] <doctormo> Technoviking: link
[04:29] <Technoviking> think ir was a fake message
[04:32] <nhandler> Technoviking: Yes, it was just spam. No real announcements would come as a normal public message. They would come as global notices and/or on the site/blog
[04:33] <Technoviking> thought so
[04:34] <nhandler> The unidentified user without a staff cloak getting killed for posting the message is also a good hint ;)
[04:35] <nigelb> heh
[06:02] <nigelb> morning AlanBell :)
[06:59] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:29] <AlanBell> morning
[08:34] <nigelb> AlanBell: hey
[08:34] <nigelb> AlanBell: How did the drinking game go? ;)
[08:45] <AlanBell> I got 18 words
[08:45] <AlanBell> it was a bit early in the day so I was playing with coffee
[09:19] <duanedesign> morning all
[09:20] <kim0> o/ everyone :)
[09:42] <nigelb> dammit kim0 , have you no sleep?
[09:42] <nigelb> duanedesign: ^^ you too
[09:42]  * kim0 not at UDS
[09:43]  * nigelb hugs kim0 
[09:43]  * kim0 hugs nigelb :)
[10:17] <nisshh> akgraner, shame about your house :(
[10:31] <popey> yikes! Sorry to hear that akgraner
[11:13] <duanedesign> akgraner:  what happened :o
[11:13] <duanedesign> nigelb!!
[11:14] <duanedesign> nigelb: are you going to be able to remote participate today?
[11:16] <popey> duanedesign: http://akgraner.com/?p=763
[11:24] <nigelb> duanedesign: doubtful, have a packed schedule today
[11:34] <duanedesign> nigelb: ok. wish you were here, Alan too. :)
[11:43] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:46] <nigelb> morning czajkowski :)
[11:47] <cjohnston> mornin
[11:47]  * nigelb waves to cjohnston 
[11:47] <nigelb> cjohnston: Did you find floor space to sleep?
[11:49] <cjohnston> no
[11:49] <cjohnston> lol
[11:52] <nigelb> haha
[11:52] <nigelb> cjohnston: did ya try bribing Daviey with caffeine stock for 6 months? :p
[11:53] <cjohnston> no
[11:53] <cjohnston> heh
[11:54] <duanedesign> morning cjohnston
[11:54] <cjohnston> hey duanedesign
[11:59] <czajkowski> TEAM REPORTS REMINDER!
[12:40] <nhandler> Bleh, I need a new computer. My current one is starting to fail one part at a time on me. It now won't even stay powered on through the night while plugged in.
[12:42] <czajkowski> :(
[12:42] <czajkowski> nhandler: pimping reports at sessions
[12:43] <Pendulum> nhandler: she's a good pimp too. Very vocal and very persuasive :P
[12:43] <nigelb> hahahaha
[12:43] <nhandler> czajkowski: Are any details of the discussions available anywhere? I saw a mere bullet on some blueprint mentioning it
[12:43] <czajkowski> yesterday in round table
[12:43] <czajkowski> so some folks still find it hard to create a wiki...
[12:43] <Pendulum> you could look at the gobby doc
[12:43] <czajkowski> *sigh*
[12:44] <czajkowski> so we;re gonna come up with a cheat sheet for it
[12:44] <czajkowski> and also get thet team reporting page translated
[12:46] <nhandler> czajkowski: That might be the case for some people (especially some LoCo teams), but I still think the key reason many people despise them is that it requires sitting down and thinking about what the team has done during the month and writing it down (which takes some time and is boring). I'm going to look back at the team-reports stats script (now that I think we have team report headings that match up with ...
[12:46] <nhandler> ... LP). Maybe getting a box on the HoF or somewhere might make this more interesting by adding a small element of competition
[12:46] <nigelb> nhandler: +1
[12:46] <nhandler> That is assuming my computer remains functional
[12:46] <nigelb> hrm, I should get around to classroom team reports
[12:46] <nigelb> and accesibility
[12:47] <nhandler> nigelb: The classroom report is usually pretty easy. Normally, it is just going through our calendar
[12:47] <nigelb> thankfully
[12:47] <nigelb> accessibility is challenging
[12:48] <Pendulum> nigelb: I know there's a page up already
[12:49] <nigelb> Pendulum: I saw, I want to add a few
[12:49] <Pendulum> *nods*
[12:50] <Pendulum> nigelb: also, you may want to liase with charlie-tca on some of the bug-related stuff
[12:50] <nigelb> Pendulum: I should, waiting for my laptop return again :/
[12:50] <Pendulum> yeah, no worries.
[12:54] <AlanBell> czajkowski: we talked about replacing gobby with etherpad before, is there any plan to do so?
[12:56] <AlanBell> one of the issues was that gobby was more accessible than etherpad, however gobby 0.5 is not accessible, the edit window is silent
[12:57] <nhandler> Having our own gobby server for the UDS stuff is also nice for people who want to go back later in the cycle to look at the discussions (pretty easy to find them there)
[12:57] <AlanBell> I am pretty sure that etherpad can be made to be accessible
[12:57] <AlanBell> nhandler: how is that different to etherpad?
[12:58] <AlanBell> if we set up pad.ubuntu.com then there would be a much better history of changes, no random deletions and a server that stays up given enough ram
[12:58] <nhandler> AlanBell: If they were to setup pad.ubuntu.com (or something similar), it would probably be used for much more than UDS (which isn't a bad thing)
[12:58] <AlanBell> probably, yes
[12:59] <AlanBell> but if the summit schedule had a pad URL on each session that would be the index to it all
[12:59] <nhandler> It is nice having only the UDS stuff on the current gobby. So basically, I am in favor of setting up pad.ubuntu.com, but I still like gobby for UDS
[13:00] <nhandler> AlanBell: The summit schedule is a PITA (due to being so large). The links would be nice for during UDS, but I'm not sure how long they would stay up afterwards
[13:01] <AlanBell> slap them all in a wiki page or even a pad document
[13:02] <nhandler> IMO, the best place for them would be in the comment section of the relevant blueprint. That way, you have the discussion and the resulting action items
[13:03] <AlanBell> even better
[13:04] <AlanBell> there is a url link on the blueprints already, just point that to an etherpad server, job done
[13:05] <AlanBell> e.g. http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/packageselection-dx-n-unity-a11y
[13:06] <nhandler> AlanBell: The URL (I think you are talking about) is for a detailed Spec. Re-using it for the discussion stuff might get confusing
[13:06] <AlanBell> hmm, possibly
[13:06] <popey> etherpad > gobby
[13:06] <popey> in almost every single way
[13:07] <AlanBell> but just matching the blueprint name with etherpad URL as above would work fine
[13:10] <AlanBell> now that the gobby accessibility is broken I am unaware of any valid reason for sticking with it
[13:11] <popey> problem is nobody thinks about this issue until UDS itself
[13:12] <AlanBell> well the *only* reason I didn't push for it this cycle is because Luke Yelavich asked me not to because gobby was accessible
[13:17] <popey> whats luke doing this cycle?
[13:17] <popey> given he's there, and he must be involved in sessions
[13:19] <AlanBell> he is doing a lot on Unity accessibility and maybe some work on the installer
[13:19] <AlanBell> he is involved in sessions
[13:20] <popey> no, thats not what I meant
[13:21] <popey> I meant, what is he doing to enable his involvement if gobby is broken from an a11y perspective?
[13:51] <AlanBell> I am scribing in the accessibility sessions
[13:53] <AlanBell> I would assume he is taking his own notes, but with gobby down more than it is up I don't think he is bothering with it
[14:03] <czajkowski> AlanBell: problem with etherpad is one swift move and the document is deleted
[14:03] <AlanBell> whut?
[14:03] <AlanBell> that is the problem with gobby
[14:04] <AlanBell> not etherpad
[14:04] <AlanBell> I have no idea how to delete an etherpad document
[14:04] <czajkowski> selecting it all and deleting it
[14:04] <czajkowski> removes it there is no undo
[14:05] <czajkowski> also being able to save gobby remotely is good
[14:05] <czajkowski> problem atm with gobby is it wont stay up
[14:13] <popey> czajkowski: lies
[14:13] <popey> there is undo
[14:13] <czajkowski> really...
[14:13] <popey> yes
[14:13] <czajkowski> hmm
[14:13] <popey> thats kinda the whole point
[14:14] <popey> you can roll back any change
[14:14] <czajkowski> I knew I could save
[14:14] <czajkowski> thanks
[14:37] <AlanBell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-etherpad-for-uds
[14:40] <sense> AlanBell: Will it really take a whole session to decide to switch?
[14:41] <AlanBell> well yes, it will take a bit of discussion of the merits, and plan out who is going to do what to make it happen
[14:41] <AlanBell> could be done in another session perhaps if there is one appropriate
[14:41] <AlanBell> but it is going to need action items for implementation and might need server resources
[14:42] <AlanBell> easier to get that stuff if there is a clear decision at UDS to do it
[18:33] <czajkowski> paultag: grrrrrrr missing channel
[18:34] <cjohnston> lol
[19:14] <czajkowski> Pici: ping
[19:15] <Pici> czajkowski: pong
[19:15] <czajkowski> Pici: can you poke nafallo he's looking to talk re bots
[19:15] <czajkowski> please
[19:16] <Pici> czajkowski: sure.  Now?
[19:18] <czajkowski> yes in pm
[19:19] <czajkowski> or else near the stand at uds
[19:20] <jcastro> kim0: nice job on the blogging!
[19:20] <Pici> czajkowski: I'd like to listen to the next plenary, so I'm in there.  I've sent him a pm.
[19:20] <kim0> jcastro: hey thanks ;)
[20:11] <Technoviking> afternoon all
[20:31] <kim0> afternoon
[20:32] <Technoviking> kim0: howdy
[20:32] <kim0> going good :)
[20:32] <kim0> How about you
[20:32] <Technoviking> doing well
[20:34] <kim0> cool
[20:36] <Pendulum> hiya kim0
[20:37] <kim0> Pendulum: hey how's it going
[20:38] <dholbach> hey kim0
[20:38] <Pendulum> kim0: not bad. you?
[20:38] <kim0> dholbach: hey daniel :)
[20:38] <kim0> Pendulum: going good too :)
[20:38] <kim0> dholbach: I actually miss our team call :)
[20:40]  * dholbach hugs kim0
[20:40]  * kim0 hugs dholbach back
[20:40] <cjohnston> bug 644817
[20:40] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 644817 in loco-directory "Global Event Page should list the team name and the event name (affects: 1) (heat: 4)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/644817
[21:11] <nhandler> AlanBell: To answer your question from earlier, technically, the team reports are for Ubuntu teams. There is nothing stopping Canonical teams from using them, but I think in most cases, they try and utilize the most similar Ubuntu team's report.
[21:44] <Technoviking> jono: ping-a-ling
[21:45] <czajkowski> Technoviking: he's not so much on irc..
[21:46] <Technoviking> dholbach: ping
[21:47] <dholbach> Technoviking, pong
[21:47] <Technoviking> dholbach: I'm trying to get a session at UDS added for Ubuntu Forums upgrade, can you help?
[21:47] <dholbach> Technoviking, jcastro's your man
[21:48] <dholbach> Technoviking, do you have a blueprint in launchpad for it?
[21:48] <Technoviking> dholbach: yes I do
[21:48] <dholbach> Technoviking, give him the name of it and it should be fine
[21:48] <dholbach> ... I guess :)
[21:48] <Technoviking> :)
[21:48] <jono> Technoviking, hey
[21:48] <jono> oh its all sorted
[21:49] <Technoviking> jono: yep
[21:49] <jono> cool :)
[21:49] <jono> biab
[22:15] <sense> vish: Where are you?
[22:15] <sense> We need you here!
[22:15] <sense> Bug Squad Documentation review.
[22:17] <vish> sense: where?
[22:17] <sense> vish: BOnaire 5
[22:18] <vish> sense: i'm in the china design review session..
[22:18] <vish> chineese even..
[22:18] <sense> ok
[22:18] <vish> oh goody, 5min break..
[22:18] <sense> vish: What are you doing?
[22:18] <vish> coming there for 5mins.. :)
[22:19] <sense> yay!