| === zach_ is now known as zkriesse | ||
| === bilalakhtar_ is now known as bilalakhtar | ||
| nisshh | omg | 18:35 |
|---|---|---|
| nisshh | i was so close to catching jenkins | 18:35 |
| nisshh | bugger | 18:35 |
| === bilalakhtar_ is now known as bilalakhtar | ||
| === bilalakhtar_ is now known as bilalakhtar | ||
| nisshh | godbyk, ping | 20:32 |
| nisshh | aquarius, i will sort out the tex live PPA as soon as possible | 20:33 |
| godbyk | nisshh: pong | 20:39 |
| trijntje | is there any news on the screenshot server python issue? | 20:44 |
| mterry_ | Is there a technical reason the versions of texlive needed aren't in Ubuntu? No one to update them or something worse? | 20:47 |
| dutchie | mterry_: i understand that texlive is a bit of a monster to package, so there is a fair bit of lag between upstream releases and them getting into debian, then ubuntu | 20:49 |
| mterry_ | Yar, I believe it. It's just a shame how gross the 'getting texlive on your system' part of contributing to the manual is (looking at it for a separate Ubuntu Developer's Manual which hopes to use same stylesheets etc) | 20:50 |
| dutchie | mterry_: there is slow progress being made on a ppa | 20:54 |
| mterry_ | dutchie, yeah? is there a link? I don't see texlive-base in any PPA newer than karmic | 20:55 |
| dutchie | i don't think it works yet :) | 20:55 |
| mterry_ | :( | 20:55 |
| bilalakhtar | mterry_: Are you a member of the desktop team? | 20:57 |
| mterry_ | bilalakhtar, yeah | 20:58 |
| nisshh | godbyk, see mterry_'s question | 20:59 |
| godbyk | trijntje: not yet, I'm afraid. | 21:00 |
| godbyk | mterry_: I think jenkins was working on the LaTeX PPA, but he's been really busy lately. | 21:01 |
| godbyk | mterry_: But AFAIK, there shouldn't be an technical reasons why it can't be packaged (aside from needing to get more space in your PPA). | 21:01 |
| godbyk | mterry_: We contacted the debian package maintainers for the texlive packages and they basically said they're waiting for the next version of debian before they work on new packages (if I remember correctly). | 21:01 |
| mterry_ | godbyk, heh. OK. Could split across PPAs or something. Still gross, but... | 21:02 |
| mterry_ | godbyk, guh. Understandable, but there's no ETA on that | 21:02 |
| godbyk | mterry_: texlive is a big download at the beginning, but once you have it, you can keep it up to date using their updater (called tlmgr). So it's just the initial cost that's a pain. | 21:02 |
| godbyk | mterry_: no ETA that I'm aware of. | 21:03 |
| mterry_ | godbyk, yes. I'm not so worried for myself, but I'm trying to make it easy to contribute | 21:03 |
| godbyk | mterry_: If you come up with an easier way I'd love to hear about it. It's something that holds a lot of people back from contributing to our project, too, I think. | 21:04 |
| mterry_ | godbyk, OK. will ping if I do... might modify install-pkgs.sh script to do a bit more automatically or something | 21:05 |
| mterry_ | Sounds like I don't want to try to package it myself in a PPA (unless difficulty is overblown? Might be one of those things where someone that didn't know it was impossible could do it) | 21:05 |
| mterry_ | godbyk: how difficult would it be to avoid using bits of 2009 that aren't in Ubuntu yet? Like, is it lots of stuff, or just one icon somewhere? | 21:06 |
| godbyk | mterry_: I haven't checked the Maverick stuff yet. I know for sure that they haven't packaged the ccicons stuff (which just gives us nice-looking Creative Commons icons). | 21:12 |
| godbyk | mterry_: Also, if you're wanting to translate to a lot of languages, you'll want the latest polyglossia and csquotes packages. | 21:12 |
| mterry_ | hrm, not worrying about translation yet... but ok | 21:12 |
| godbyk | mterry_: We had a big problem with using TeX Live 2008 as packaged in Lucid. The XeLaTeX version was too old. | 21:13 |
| godbyk | But if they've brought XeLaTeX up to date, then you might be able to get away with just manually installing some newer tex packages. | 21:13 |
| godbyk | (You can write a script to do it easily.) | 21:13 |
| godbyk | In short, for plain English stuff, you can get away with what's packaged in Maverick. | 21:14 |
| godbyk | The problems show up when you're trying to translate to a number of different languages. | 21:14 |
| nisshh | godbyk, right, so only translators need a version newer than whats in maverick? | 21:24 |
| godbyk | nisshh: translators and anyone who wants to build translated PDFs. | 21:24 |
| godbyk | At least, I *think* that's true. | 21:24 |
| nisshh | ok | 21:24 |
| godbyk | I haven't actually tested the packages in Maverick. | 21:24 |
| nisshh | yeah | 21:24 |
| nisshh | i guess some people will do that | 21:24 |
| godbyk | Since I write LaTeX code often enough, I just keep up to date on CTAN (TeX Live) directly. | 21:24 |
| nisshh | yeah | 21:25 |
| nisshh | not xelatex | 21:25 |
| godbyk | XeLaTeX just gives you access to non-TeX fonts (read: all your normal fonts). | 21:26 |
| godbyk | Oh, and it understands Unicode. | 21:26 |
| nisshh | ah ok | 21:26 |
| nisshh | godbyk, thanks for pointing out some stuff in the manual session earlier btw :) | 21:26 |
| godbyk | np | 21:27 |
| nisshh | :) | 21:27 |
| nisshh | godbyk, can you do me a favour? | 21:27 |
| godbyk | I'm happy to help you guys with the book design or LaTeX code, if you like. | 21:27 |
| godbyk | nisshh: Sure. | 21:27 |
| nisshh | oh cool | 21:27 |
| nisshh | godbyk, if you talk to flan any time soon, can you please tell him i need to speak to him about Quickshot? | 21:28 |
| nisshh | i never seem to be able to get hold of him, even though i have pinged him 10 times | 21:28 |
| godbyk | nisshh: Sure. I don't see him too often these days. I think he's really busy with work right now. | 21:28 |
| nisshh | i see | 21:29 |
| nisshh | that would explain why he isnt replying | 21:29 |
| godbyk | I think there's a quickshot-devs mailing list you could try, too | 21:29 |
| nisshh | ok, thanks | 21:29 |
| nisshh | also, any design we do will be later in the cycle, once we have most other things in place | 21:30 |
| nisshh | godbyk, did you hear about the sprint during the session? | 21:30 |
| godbyk | I caught bits and pieces. | 21:31 |
| godbyk | (and yeah, it's easier to design the book after you have more of the content written. that way I have an idea of what needs to go into the design.) | 21:31 |
| nisshh | yeah | 21:31 |
| dutchie | those lines had a pretty cascade of spaces | 21:32 |
| dutchie | then godbyk ruined it | 21:32 |
| nisshh | godbyk, wasnt there talk not that long ago of using the new Ubuntu color scheme in the natty pdf design? | 21:32 |
| godbyk | lol | 21:32 |
| dutchie | shouldn't have put a bracket in there | 21:32 |
| nisshh | hehe | 21:32 |
| godbyk | nisshh: yeah. I've got some of the color stuff in my working dir, but I have to print it a few places to see if it looks okay. then I'll get it committed. | 21:33 |
| nisshh | godbyk, cool | 21:34 |
| nisshh | aquarius, you there? | 21:34 |
| nisshh | popey, i didnt know you did the UK loco podcast :) | 21:35 |
| popey | heh | 21:36 |
| dutchie | popey is a celebrity! | 21:36 |
| nisshh | hehe | 21:36 |
| aquarius | nisshh, hi | 21:39 |
| aquarius | nisshh, sorry, gotta go, hopefully we can catch up later | 21:43 |
| nisshh | aquarius, ah, i was just going to say that i will get the PPA back up ASAP, just need to get hold of the maintainer | 21:46 |
| nisshh | the tex live PPA that is | 21:46 |
| trijntje | godbyk, I just remember I only thought "ok" when you said the server isnt working yet | 21:46 |
| godbyk | trijntje: ha! no worries. :) | 21:46 |
| nisshh | meh, nvm.... | 21:47 |
| trijntje | and now that I have repented from my sins, i'm off too bed. Goodnight all | 21:53 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!