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| owh | I have a hardy server with 2 x 500Gb HDD configured as a software raid1 set. The drives are almost full. I need to replace them with 2 x 2Tb drives. I have 2 sata connectors. What is the smartest way to migrate? | 03:00 |
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| owh | Is there an RTFM someone might point me at? | 03:00 |
| twb | Put all four disks in the machine, configure a four-way RAID1, then remove the old pair and grow the array | 03:00 |
| owh | Not enough sata connectors. | 03:01 |
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| twb | Then one way is to degrade the array first, then do the merge one-half of old and one-half of new | 03:01 |
| owh | Can I remove 1 x 500Gb, add 1 x 2Tb, boot from CD, then dd the data from small to large, rinse and repeat with the other two, then bring it up, then grow it? | 03:02 |
| twb | I suppose so, but that means your machine will be offline for the entire resync | 03:03 |
| twb | (You wouldn't use dd from one of the 2TBs to the other; you'd just assemble the array.) | 03:03 |
| owh | Yeah, I was thinking dd from each of the 500Gb to each of the 2Tb. | 03:04 |
| twb | It's a mirror | 03:04 |
| twb | there's no point doing that | 03:04 |
| owh | You're suggesting, degrade the array, shutdown, remove 1 drive, add a new drive, add the new drive to the array, resync, degrade the array again, add the other new drive - right? | 03:05 |
| twb | shut down, replace one 500Gb with one 2TB; bootdegraded from the remaining 500GB, add the 2TB to the array, let it resync. | 03:06 |
| owh | Right, and then rinse and repeat. | 03:06 |
| twb | Then, shut down, replace the remaining 500GB with the second 2TB, bootdegraded from the first 2TB, add the second to the array | 03:06 |
| twb | Finally, call mdadm with the appropriate command to say "notice that there's more space now" | 03:06 |
| qman__ | that's not enough though, you still need to expand the filesystem afterward | 03:07 |
| twb | --grow, I think. I haven't done it for a while | 03:07 |
| qman__ | whcih is an offline operation | 03:07 |
| twb | qman__: not on ext3 | 03:07 |
| qman__ | in any case, it's quite time consuming | 03:07 |
| twb | A resize2fs *grow* takes negligible time | 03:07 |
| twb | It's probably O(n), but the k is quite small | 03:08 |
| qman__ | I meant the process as a whole | 03:08 |
| twb | Granted | 03:08 |
| owh | And I'm partitioning the 2Tb the same as the 500Gb? | 03:08 |
| qman__ | taking more space, of course | 03:09 |
| owh | Or am I partitioning it in the way that I want it to become? | 03:09 |
| qman__ | if your 500GB is one full-size raid partition, your 2TB would be one full size raid partition | 03:09 |
| owh | No, two partitions, swap and / | 03:09 |
| qman__ | I guess that's a bad way to explain it | 03:10 |
| qman__ | you want the new raid partition to be the size of the new raid | 03:10 |
| owh | And mdadm won't choke that the partitions are not the same size? | 03:10 |
| qman__ | of course not | 03:11 |
| qman__ | it uses the full capacity of the smallest device in the raid | 03:11 |
| twb | owh: the partitions on the new disks should be full size | 03:11 |
| qman__ | the extra space is simply wasted until you eliminate the small disk and grow the array | 03:11 |
| twb | Yep | 03:12 |
| owh | Excellent, seems we have a plan. Any gotchas? | 03:12 |
| twb | owh: the case edges are probably sharp | 03:12 |
| qman__ | you will not be redundant while it's resyncing | 03:12 |
| owh | ROTFL | 03:12 |
| owh | qman__: Yeah | 03:12 |
| qman__ | so don't do something silly like wiping your 500GB drive before everything is said and done | 03:12 |
| owh | I wasn't intending to wipe it at all - nice offline backup :) | 03:13 |
| qman__ | you'd think that would go without saying, but I've seen people do it | 03:14 |
| owh | Any merit in making home a new partition on the new large drive. | 03:14 |
| qman__ | that's why I mention it | 03:14 |
| owh | qman__: fair enough | 03:14 |
| qman__ | not really | 03:14 |
| qman__ | the only reason you might do that is convenience if you wipe / frequently | 03:14 |
| qman__ | or if you use encrypted filesystems | 03:14 |
| owh | No, more from a perspective that silly users cannot fill the server / and bring it down :) | 03:15 |
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| qman__ | that's what quotas are for | 03:15 |
| qman__ | filling home will prevent users from logging on | 03:15 |
| owh | :) | 03:15 |
| twb | On any multi-user system, I always make user data separate from the OS | 03:16 |
| qman__ | there's certainly good reasons to do it | 03:16 |
| owh | Yeah, this is a *historic* server and I'm trying to regain some composure while attempting to avoid shooting my foot off with a large cannon. | 03:17 |
| qman__ | but it's not a necessity, and it will involve more downtime | 03:17 |
| qman__ | up to you | 03:17 |
| twb | Of course, I'd also be using LVM | 03:17 |
| owh | This will be over the weekend, so I'm expecting to at least have the server up and syncing in 48 hours, down-time over the weekend not so much an issue. | 03:17 |
| qman__ | resyncing 2TB can take considerably longer than 48 hours | 03:17 |
| owh | twb: I've been shy to use LVM, last time I used it, it ate my data. | 03:18 |
| owh | qman__: Only 500Gb, not 2Tb. | 03:18 |
| katronixserf | Hi all, can someone tell me which Firewall Jaunty came with? | 03:18 |
| twb | katronixserf: linux only has one firewall: netfilter | 03:18 |
| katronixserf | oh ok, not iptables? | 03:18 |
| twb | iptables is the UI for netfilter | 03:18 |
| qman__ | and UFW is a frontend for iptables | 03:19 |
| twb | Right | 03:19 |
| qman__ | owh, I see three resync operations, 500GB to the first 2TB, 500GB to the second 2TB, and then the expansion operation | 03:19 |
| twb | qman__: the third isn't a resync | 03:20 |
| owh | qman__: Right, but I only need to be on-site for the first one, since I'll need to reboot before 1, between 1 and 2, the rest shouldn't affect connectivity. | 03:20 |
| katronixserf | does: http://pastebin.com/vKRMSptr mean nothing is blocked? | 03:20 |
| qman__ | that's true, I'm forgetting this is raid 1, not raid 5/6 | 03:21 |
| twb | katronixserf: in the filter table, yes. | 03:21 |
| qman__ | I added two drives to a raid 5 and it took over three days to finish expanding | 03:21 |
| twb | katronixserf: you could be doing something silly in the nat, mangle, raw tables, etc. | 03:21 |
| owh | How much should I budget for the first 500Gb sync? | 03:21 |
| katronixserf | haven't touched it, tried running an app that connects using port 9000, and wanted to see if it was being blocked or not | 03:22 |
| qman__ | katronixserf, ubuntu has, by default, an accept all policy with no rules | 03:23 |
| qman__ | in essence no firewall, just the kernel modules | 03:23 |
| katronixserf | k | 03:23 |
| qman__ | owh, that depends a lot on how fast your disks are | 03:24 |
| qman__ | I'm going to take a fairly safe guess at 80MB/s | 03:24 |
| qman__ | if you tweak the kernel to allow full speed syncing, that would theoretically be the same as a flat dd | 03:24 |
| qman__ | quick calculator suggests about 2 hours | 03:25 |
| owh | So, double it, add 1 for good measure, 5 - that's doable :-) | 03:26 |
| qman__ | but yeah, make sure you tweak the kernel during the resync | 03:27 |
| owh | How? | 03:27 |
| qman__ | it has settings that slow it down to prevent excessive iowait during operations on an active server | 03:27 |
| owh | Which RTFM should I consult? | 03:27 |
| qman__ | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-raid-increase-resync-rebuild-speed.html | 03:27 |
| owh | Niice | 03:28 |
| qman__ | if you just set them absurdly high it'll go full speed | 03:29 |
| qman__ | no need to change any configuration, just echo to proc | 03:29 |
| owh | It won't lock the console? | 03:29 |
| qman__ | no | 03:29 |
| owh | Excellent. | 03:29 |
| qman__ | the system's actually quite responsive | 03:29 |
| * owh guesses that booting in single mode would be a GOOD IDEA. | 03:29 | |
| qman__ | I did on mine | 03:30 |
| owh | Yeah, as I said, no users to worry about :) | 03:30 |
| qman__ | you don't have to, but I wasn't taking any risks | 03:30 |
| owh | I've heard suggestions, in addition to those uttered by twb to use LVM, but as I said, last time it ate my data - very, very unhappy, since it didn't eat it when I did it, just later when the users were actually using the system. As luck would have it, right before the regular backup :( | 03:32 |
| owh | Any comments about why I should consider LVM? | 03:32 |
| twb | Because it allows you to resize partitions on the fly, and to move them between disks -- without an outage | 03:33 |
| twb | In particular, it allows you to allocate only (say) 2GB to / and 10GB to /home, and increase this later when the users whinge | 03:33 |
| owh | So this would be useful in a high-availability environment, not so much in a - we can fix it on the weekend environment? | 03:34 |
| owh | In essence, I'd be adding another layer of abstraction between the os and the drive - right? | 03:35 |
| qman__ | you use LVM basically instead of partitioning, though with a RAID the order is different | 03:38 |
| qman__ | in non-raid, it goes full-disk partition, LVM, filesystems | 03:38 |
| qman__ | in raid, it goes full disk partition, mdadm, LVM, filesystems | 03:39 |
| owh | I understand. I cannot do a full disk partition software raid with 2 sata connectors and only two drives - or did I miss something? | 03:41 |
| qman__ | you could | 03:41 |
| qman__ | but it would be very difficult to convert what you have to that | 03:41 |
| qman__ | or at least a lot more difficult than if you could hook all the drives up | 03:42 |
| qman__ | also of note, I normally put /boot outside any LVM or raid to avoid any hassles with grub | 03:42 |
| qman__ | but 255MB off the size of the raid is insignificant with today's disk sizes | 03:43 |
| owh | Well, theoretically I could connect the sata drives via two sata/usb adapters, but I'm not sure what that gains me, other than a slower resync. | 03:43 |
| owh | s/slower/much much slower/ | 03:44 |
| qman__ | yeah, looking at about 40MB/s if each disk is on a separate controller | 03:44 |
| owh | In return for time, do I get some other benefits that don't appear obvious to me? | 03:45 |
| qman__ | well, you don't have to open your server as many times | 03:47 |
| qman__ | and normally, it would be a time saving operation | 03:47 |
| owh | Other than that the first resync would take much longer and I'd still need to be there to do the final swap. | 03:48 |
| owh | Well, this has been enlightening, thanks qman__ and twb, much appreciated. | 03:50 |
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| katronixserf | which package provides cmp? | 04:48 |
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| owh | katronixserf: diff | 04:54 |
| twb | katronixserf: dpkg -S or apt-file will tell you | 04:55 |
| owh | twb: dpkg will only tell if you have it already installed. | 04:55 |
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| twb | owh: hence apt-file | 04:59 |
| owh | twb: Fair enough :) | 05:01 |
| twb | If I have a hardy NFS server and a bunch of harder workstations, and I want user quotas, do I need to install "quota" on the client machines? | 05:10 |
| twb | IIRC I only need to install it on the server itself, and that's only to modify/inspect quotas -- the actual quota enforcement is entirely done in the kernel. | 05:10 |
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| yuri_sevatz | hello | 06:46 |
| yuri_sevatz | I'm having an issue with the installer cd getting stuck at "Configuring linux-image-2.6.35" | 06:46 |
| yuri_sevatz | did a verification and the cd integrity said perfect | 06:46 |
| yuri_sevatz | this is the 10.10 edition | 06:47 |
| * RoyK += 0xc0ffee | 06:49 | |
| Error404NotFound | i am trying to generate a multidomain ssl, but when i visit second domain firefox reports that cert is only valid for domain1, http://pastebin.com/1ANmNUKY | 07:02 |
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| Error404NotFound | even tried with: http://pastebin.com/pXV5krTk (new conf at bottom) | 07:08 |
| Error404NotFound | updated pastebin: http://pastebin.com/Cwq89rRX | 07:11 |
| Error404NotFound | further updated: http://pastebin.com/7gz03Mrt seems like method 1 doesn't work at all | 07:21 |
| git__ | anyone here work with sheepdog ? | 07:43 |
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| a_ok | what is the best place to add a location to path for all users? | 08:32 |
| \sh | a_ok: /etc/login.defs ? | 08:43 |
| a_ok | \sh: well accourding to the documentation I just found /etc/envirionment. never knew of login.defs | 08:45 |
| \sh | a_ok: yes that's also possible...depending on when and where you want to use the paths | 08:46 |
| Error404NotFound | a_ok, environment is the recommended place, there are other places as well, but conventionally /etc/environment has been used to define global settings such as PATH, HTTP_PROXY, JAVA_HOME, etc | 08:47 |
| a_ok | \sh: when do I want to use login.defs? | 08:48 |
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| theblueone | can anyone point me to the location upstart logs process output to by default? | 09:36 |
| theblueone | I can't seem to find this anywhere | 09:36 |
| ghaleb | hello, I have ubuntu-server 8.10 installed and configured on server, and I moved the os disk to another server and it's not working, when the kernel starts it ends up with errors in modprob and starts initramfs, any help what to do ? | 09:47 |
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| drcode | hi all | 10:18 |
| drcode | I can't make samba with printer to work | 10:18 |
| drcode | I am running on ubuntu 10.04 | 10:18 |
| drcode | I have strange this error: | 10:19 |
| drcode | [2010/10/27 11:17:06, 0] smbd/server.c:1115(main) | 10:19 |
| drcode | standard input is not a socket, assuming -D option | 10:19 |
| drcode | any idea? | 10:19 |
| twister004 | hi guys.. during ubuntu 10.04 server installation, i selected 'do not update'and now, when i do an 'apt-get install <pkg>', it gives the following errors: "Couldn't find the package".. please advise if there is anything i can do to prevent this | 10:22 |
| twister004 | i have uncommented entries in the sources.list file | 10:23 |
| mike9055 | is there anyway i can see how much data my server has transfered to a certain ip | 10:25 |
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| _bt | twister004: suso apt-get update | 10:27 |
| _bt | sorry "sudo" | 10:27 |
| twister004 | i did that | 10:29 |
| twister004 | i get errors... Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com.......... Hash Sum mismatch | 10:31 |
| jpds | twister004: Are you behind a proxy? | 10:35 |
| twister004 | no | 10:35 |
| twister004 | i did a apt-get clean | 10:35 |
| twister004 | and ... apt-get update && apt-get upgrade | 10:36 |
| twister004 | seems to be downloading something | 10:36 |
| jpds | twister004: Try: sudo apt-get -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=true update | 10:39 |
| twister004 | yes.. i did that | 10:40 |
| jpds | With the No-cache flag/ | 10:40 |
| twister004 | yes | 10:42 |
| jpds | Righto. | 10:42 |
| twister004 | it's downloading some stuff now... | 10:42 |
| twister004 | ill try downloading the app and check | 10:42 |
| twister004 | thanks a lot!!! | 10:42 |
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| binBASH | http://lackrack.org/ | 11:32 |
| binBASH | haha, this is nice idea ;) | 11:32 |
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| cemc | I have a 10.04 with snmpd on it. every time there's a request from another machine, the snmpd daemon writes a log entry "Connection from UDP etc etc". how can I disable that? | 12:21 |
| joschi | cemc: http://raetsel.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/snmpd-filling-up-varlogmessages/ | 12:41 |
| joschi | cemc: alternatively filter these messages in your syslog daemon | 12:41 |
| cemc | joschi: mhm, thanks. found it in the meantime | 12:43 |
| MrWise | running cap deploy, it asks for my git user pass twice, then just goes "Password:" and no matter what I type in I get permission denied | 12:44 |
| MrWise | any ideas as of what I'm doing wrong? :| | 12:44 |
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| AndyGraybeal | hi, i'm having a problem destroying a machine; it says it times out. | 13:42 |
| AndyGraybeal | what do i do to kill it? | 13:42 |
| AndyGraybeal | i'm using libvirt's virsh with kvm | 13:43 |
| k5673 | AndyGrayBeal: A virtual one? | 13:43 |
| k5673 | Ah | 13:43 |
| AndyGraybeal | yes, no power button on this guy | 13:43 |
| k5673 | AndyGrayBeal: I'm having issues shuting down the machine, not destroying it | 13:44 |
| AndyGraybeal | yea, i can't connect, shutdown or destroy :( | 13:44 |
| AndyGraybeal | if there was a virtual knife ..... | 13:44 |
| k5673 | AndyGrayBeal: No idea. Are you controlling a remote kvm or local one? | 13:44 |
| AndyGraybeal | local | 13:44 |
| AndyGraybeal | the other virtual machines are running just fine | 13:45 |
| binBASH | AndyGraybeal: ps -ef|grep kvm | 13:45 |
| binBASH | :D | 13:45 |
| binBASH | and how you kill processes? | 13:46 |
| k5673 | AndyGrayBeal: You can destroy them using virt-manager | 13:46 |
| AndyGraybeal | k5673: i've tried tht too.. it acts the same as virsh | 13:47 |
| binBASH | and yup with virt-manager you can see their console as well | 13:47 |
| AndyGraybeal | binBASH: i can't connect to it | 13:47 |
| binBASH | you can't connect to it with virt-manager? | 13:47 |
| binBASH | weird ;) | 13:47 |
| AndyGraybeal | yea, virt-viewer doesn't work either | 13:48 |
| binBASH | or do you mean, virt-manager is unable to connect to your libvirt daemon? | 13:48 |
| k5673 | So, there's your problem | 13:48 |
| AndyGraybeal | virt-manager connects to libvirt fine, i can connect to my other machines just fine. they are all running just fine. | 13:49 |
| k5673 | AndyGraybeal: can you see anything running virsh --connect qemu:///system list | 13:49 |
| k5673 | AndyGraybeal: ? | 13:49 |
| AndyGraybeal | yes, that works stupendously. | 13:49 |
| binBASH | ok | 13:49 |
| k5673 | AndyGraybeal: OK | 13:49 |
| AndyGraybeal | it's specifically one machine that times out | 13:49 |
| AndyGraybeal | binBASH: i will try to destroy the process now | 13:49 |
| binBASH | yup | 13:49 |
| binBASH | try it | 13:50 |
| binBASH | then restart the machine in virt-manager and open the console | 13:50 |
| binBASH | maybe you can see what's the issue | 13:50 |
| AndyGraybeal | that appears to have worked. | 13:51 |
| mrpeters-isl | hey all anyone here use virt-manager and know the trick to getting a virt-manager graphical console to the dom0 is? just simply instaling a vnc server on dom0? something else? Ubuntu 10.04 for virt-manager but Debian Lenny dom0's | 13:51 |
| k5673 | AndyGraybeal: Maybe is an issue with the ACPI support for your guests | 13:51 |
| AndyGraybeal | k5673: i'm not sure, it's ubuntu 10.04 on ubuntu 10.04 | 13:51 |
| sommer | morning | 13:51 |
| k5673 | morning | 13:52 |
| k5673 | AndyGraybeal: It can be possible | 13:52 |
| k5673 | AndyGraybeal: May be. | 13:52 |
| k5673 | AndyGraybeal: Remember. The destroy feature lis like unplugging the power cord from the wall. Or pressing the power button for 4 seconds. That behavior is controlled by ACPI | 13:53 |
| AndyGraybeal | well it has worked fine until today | 13:53 |
| AndyGraybeal | this morning | 13:53 |
| k5673 | AndyGraybeal: Can you see ACPI errors in dmesg | more, inside your guest? | 13:54 |
| AndyGraybeal | lemme look | 13:54 |
| k5673 | AndyGraybeal: Ah | 13:54 |
| k5673 | AndyGraybeal: It's just an idea... | 13:54 |
| AndyGraybeal | nope no errros in dmesg | 13:54 |
| k5673 | AndyGraybeal: Mmmmmmm | 13:55 |
| AndyGraybeal | it's working now, killing the process allievated whatever issue was happening. | 13:57 |
| AndyGraybeal | :) | 13:57 |
| k5673 | AndyGraybeal: What process? KVM? | 14:05 |
| uvirtbot | New bug: #667269 in samba (main) "winbind crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/667269 | 14:11 |
| garymc | Anyone ever bought a SSL certificate? I bought one yesterday from Godadddy but its PENDING. Anyone know how long it takes till i can use this SSL certificate on my server? | 14:22 |
| AndyGraybeal | garymc: i want to buy some from startssl | 14:36 |
| patdk-wk | pending? what kind of cert did you get? normally it's like a few min | 14:37 |
| patdk-wk | unless you get one that needs some kind of background check | 14:37 |
| garymc | I got the best one they did | 14:39 |
| garymc | they say they are doing checks | 14:39 |
| garymc | taking ages pissing me right off | 14:39 |
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| MrWise | I accidentally chmod -R 777 / | 15:57 |
| MrWise | am I fucked? :| | 15:57 |
| patdk-wk | use the undo command :) | 15:57 |
| MrWise | sorry, what? | 15:57 |
| MrWise | I have nothing that runns from 'undo' | 15:58 |
| patdk-wk | I'm joking | 15:58 |
| MrWise | :| | 15:58 |
| patdk-wk | pretty much, going be annoying as hell to fix | 15:58 |
| MrWise | chmod SHOULD have an undo command :P | 15:59 |
| patdk-wk | that would be your filesystem :) | 15:59 |
| alvin | (I did the same some 9 years ago on a live production system.) Did the command complete, or did you interrupt? | 16:05 |
| MrWise | it completed | 16:07 |
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| patdk-wk | how can I get a user to have access to raw disks? | 16:24 |
| patdk-wk | I added the user to the disk group, but it's just not going | 16:25 |
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| pmatulis | MrWise: i recommend a re-install | 16:36 |
| patdk-wk | ah fixed it, had to reloging to notice the new group | 16:37 |
| Reyuken | does anybody know if the pure-ftpd package is still in a repository? | 16:57 |
| lau | I got smbd INTERNAL ERROR: Signal 11 I tried to get a gdb backtrace of the smbd process | 16:57 |
| Reyuken | i clearly installed universe, but it gives me a cant find package error | 16:57 |
| lau | http://dpaste.com/265175/ but i am not familiar with those symbols | 16:57 |
| Reyuken | http://paste-it.net/public/p84f849/ | 16:57 |
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| lau | Reyuken: did you try packages.ubuntu.com ? | 16:57 |
| Reyuken | hmm | 16:58 |
| Reyuken | ill try adding that one | 16:58 |
| lau | no check the http://packages.ubuntu.com | 16:58 |
| etcetera | how intensive is it for rsync to sync a directory of thousands of files to an ftp every 5 seconds or so? | 16:58 |
| rbnicknej | Reyuken, I found pure-ftpd package in lucid/universe | 17:00 |
| Reyuken | i Think i added that one | 17:01 |
| Reyuken | as shown in the paste-it above | 17:01 |
| etcetera | anyone? we are doing something similar on windows with a 3rd party utility, and we know the rsync algo is pretty fast. | 17:02 |
| etcetera | just not sure how well it handles large batches of < 1KB files. | 17:02 |
| patdk-wk | etcetera, depends | 17:03 |
| patdk-wk | it syncs millions of files for me pretty damned quick | 17:04 |
| patdk-wk | it's harddrive intensive though, if all those files metadata doesn't fit in ram | 17:04 |
| etcetera | patdk-wk: yea, not near millions of files. | 17:05 |
| etcetera | we clear out stuff older than a day every day. | 17:05 |
| etcetera | maybe thousands, < 100K / day. | 17:05 |
| rbnicknej | Reyuken, you try 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' after adding them? | 17:05 |
| patdk-wk | what I don't know is exactly how much bandwidth that will use up | 17:05 |
| patdk-wk | using unison instead, will keep bandwidth down to basically nothing, if files don't change | 17:06 |
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| etcetera | patdk-wk: right we are only syncing new files. | 17:15 |
| patdk-wk | doesn't matter if you sync only new or not | 17:16 |
| patdk-wk | it still has to check the metadata to know what is new or not | 17:16 |
| etcetera | right, obviouly you're IO bound. | 17:17 |
| patdk-wk | na, I'm not io bound, my metadata fits in ram nicely, and stays there :) | 17:20 |
| etcetera | patdk-wk: how does it get disposed? | 17:21 |
| patdk-wk | disposed? | 17:21 |
| patdk-wk | it's cache data, if the system needs the ram for something else, out it goes | 17:21 |
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| LowValueTarget | WTH.... i just had a db consultant tell one of my clients that Ubuntu is not good for a MySQL environment | 17:28 |
| etcetera | most people are stupid, let the benchmarks speak for your specific use case. | 17:29 |
| LowValueTarget | etcetera: this was Percona.... the "MySQL Experts" | 17:29 |
| ChmEarl | LowValueTarget, BestPractical uses latest Ubuntu to host their site (rt3 authors) | 17:36 |
| zul__ | everyone has their own agenda | 17:38 |
| Reyuken | <rbnicknej> Reyuken, you try 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' after adding them? | 17:43 |
| Reyuken | hah that, works, thanks alot! | 17:43 |
| Reyuken | im such a newbie when it comes to linux | 17:44 |
| ciastek | where should i write about wrong information in ubuntu server guide? | 17:48 |
| etcetera | LowValueTarget: who cares? | 17:48 |
| etcetera | I plan on using postgres + ubuntu on the server. | 17:48 |
| etcetera | and Windows on the web server. | 17:49 |
| jcastro | ciastek: is it on the wiki? | 17:49 |
| LowValueTarget | etcetera: just bothers me | 17:49 |
| etcetera | it's appropriate for my use case and by budget. | 17:49 |
| jcastro | you can just fix it | 17:49 |
| etcetera | let them show you why. | 17:49 |
| LowValueTarget | we deploy hundreds of ubuntu servers | 17:49 |
| LowValueTarget | i just called them asking for benchmarks... none | 17:49 |
| LowValueTarget | must be the consultants personal pref | 17:49 |
| jcastro | ciastek: asommer can help you but we're at UDS this week so not on irc so much. If it's on the wiki and wrong dive in and fix it. :) | 17:49 |
| ninja1 | When i try to do /oper on my ircd-hybrid server i always get wrong password even if i wrote right password, someone had this problem before? | 17:50 |
| ciastek | jcastro: it's not wiki, but i've found launchpad page for ubuntu-docs, so i fill a bug here | 17:50 |
| ciastek | jcastro: thank you | 17:50 |
| etcetera | LowValueTarget: what do they prefer? | 17:50 |
| Error404NotFound | can i ask an openssl related question here? | 18:02 |
| tax | I would like to install a mailserver (pop3, smtp), what is the best way to do it? | 18:27 |
| cfairles | tax, https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/email-services.html | 18:29 |
| tax | k5673: thnak you for your help yesterday, i succeeded in my firewall made of squid firestarter and dansguardia | 18:30 |
| cfairles | tax, i think dovecot is the most popular for an MDA, i dont really know though, i use postfix for an MTA | 18:30 |
| etcetera | is anyone using zimbra on ubuntu? | 18:33 |
| etcetera | the server component. | 18:33 |
| lieuwe | hey, i'm looking for a torrent client for on my server, so it needs an webinterface. but google isn't really helping, any ideas? | 18:39 |
| jeiworth | lieuwe: mldonkey | 18:39 |
| tax | cfairles: can you have the same users on the both of them? | 18:40 |
| Pici | lieuwe: transmission-daemon provides a web interface. | 18:41 |
| tax | does anyone know how to use exim? | 18:44 |
| k5673 | tax:OK | 18:46 |
| progre55 | hi people. I upgraded libc6 from backports, but now I want to downgrade. when I say "apt-get remove libc6" ubuntu wants to remove half of my server. any suggestions, please? | 18:52 |
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| Error404NotFound | progre55, disable backports and may be try apt-get install --reinstall, not sure if that will work or not | 18:56 |
| Error404NotFound | progre55, using backports/proposed on production environments is really a good idea btw | 18:57 |
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| progre55 | thanks, I'll try that | 18:59 |
| progre55 | Error404NotFound: now when I open the link, it's offering me the php file to download.. I think I've broken some config files.. | 19:02 |
| progre55 | it's actually a phtml file | 19:03 |
| Error404NotFound | progre55, which link? | 19:03 |
| Error404NotFound | progre55, webserver? make sure you have php module loaded, try apache2ctl -l, that small "L" | 19:04 |
| progre55 | Error404NotFound: actually, I have the php mod enabled, just forgot to add .phtml to AddType in the apache conf file =) | 19:05 |
| Error404NotFound | progre55, that was "apache2ctl -t -D DUMP_MODULES" to list all modules | 19:05 |
| Error404NotFound | progre55, aah, great | 19:05 |
| Error404NotFound | so it works now? | 19:06 |
| progre55 | sec, let me try restarting it now | 19:06 |
| progre55 | Error404NotFound: well, still now working | 19:10 |
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| progre55 | and there is php5_module loaded | 19:10 |
| Error404NotFound | progre55, are you using userdir? | 19:16 |
| progre55 | in apache? | 19:16 |
| Error404NotFound | progre55, yes | 19:16 |
| progre55 | Error404NotFound: no | 19:17 |
| Error404NotFound | progre55, what if you try with a .php instead of .phtml? | 19:17 |
| progre55 | Error404NotFound: oh, it's working.. I guess it was my browser cache =) | 19:19 |
| progre55 | when I opened it with a different browser, it works fine | 19:19 |
| Error404NotFound | progre55, good.. | 19:19 |
| progre55 | Error404NotFound: pardon my ignorance =) | 19:19 |
| progre55 | Error404NotFound: thanks a lot for the support | 19:19 |
| Error404NotFound | progre55, at these times using Incognito/private browsing mode, thats good for testing | 19:19 |
| progre55 | I'll consider that, thanks | 19:20 |
| ivoks | is ubuntu one really running on IIS? | 19:52 |
| ivoks | i got IIS's error at one point | 19:53 |
| ivoks | it's powered by 7digital, so i guess it's their server | 19:53 |
| Reyuken | when i do usermod -d it strangely tells me the user is currently logged in | 20:04 |
| Reyuken | but the who command only shows root as logged in ? | 20:05 |
| lieuwe | is it possible to set up an samba share so that it's password protected? | 20:06 |
| patdk-wk | heh? you can password protect stuff? | 20:08 |
| patdk-wk | normally you just limit users to shares, then the user is required to enter their password, therefor protected | 20:08 |
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| lieuwe | patdk-wk: indeed, but there are three shares. two of which should only be accessible to the lan, one of which should be public and have a pw | 20:10 |
| patdk-wk | so? | 20:10 |
| lieuwe | patdk-wk: i don't want the two lan shares to have a password | 20:10 |
| RoyK | lieuwe: still running with security = share? | 20:11 |
| lieuwe | RoyK: yes, my parents need to acces it and they forget passwords like shit | 20:11 |
| RoyK | lieuwe: you can't combine share security with authentication | 20:11 |
| lieuwe | RoyK: sure? no way to do something like this? | 20:11 |
| patdk-wk | but you can easily make a guest user :) | 20:11 |
| RoyK | not that I know about | 20:11 |
| lieuwe | FFFUUU | 20:11 |
| lieuwe | RoyK: thanks :-3 | 20:12 |
| RoyK | lieuwe: create a user guest passwd guest | 20:12 |
| RoyK | allow that user access to the 'public' areas | 20:12 |
| RoyK | set security = user | 20:12 |
| RoyK | case closed | 20:12 |
| patdk-wk | this is where I don't know about samba that much | 20:12 |
| lieuwe | RoyK: too difficult for my peeps :-/ | 20:12 |
| patdk-wk | but can you limit a user login to source ip's? or share access based on ip? | 20:12 |
| patdk-wk | that would fix it up fine | 20:12 |
| ivoks | bad user = guest | 20:12 |
| RoyK | lieuwe: just save the password on their boxes while mapping the shares | 20:12 |
| ivoks | allways use security = user | 20:13 |
| lieuwe | hmehhhmmmmmpfffffffffffff | 20:13 |
| RoyK | patdk-wk: you can only allow/disallow from IPs | 20:13 |
| lieuwe | RoyK: ip ranges? | 20:13 |
| patdk-wk | I know, but he wants to allow/disallow shares | 20:13 |
| patdk-wk | the shares that have guest | 20:13 |
| patdk-wk | so that would work | 20:14 |
| _Techie_ | does samba allow for authentication on a per IP basis? | 20:14 |
| RoyK | ivoks: he was on some time back and wanted to know how to share to everyone in the household, so I told him security = share will _turn_off_ auth, which was what he wanted at that time | 20:14 |
| patdk-wk | unless the allow/disallow is samba global | 20:14 |
| RoyK | _Techie_: not that I know | 20:14 |
| ivoks | RoyK: even that's bad | 20:14 |
| ivoks | RoyK: vista and 7 probably won't work with that setup | 20:14 |
| RoyK | ivoks: it's a choice | 20:14 |
| RoyK | ivoks: it does | 20:15 |
| ivoks | map to guest = Bad User | 20:15 |
| ivoks | if you have a share that need auth | 20:15 |
| ivoks | and a share that doesn't need it | 20:15 |
| ivoks | then set up security = user | 20:15 |
| ivoks | and for public shares add | 20:15 |
| ivoks | map to guest = Bad User | 20:15 |
| ivoks | that's it | 20:15 |
| patdk-wk | hmm | 20:15 |
| RoyK | ivoks: samba will still ask for auth for those connections | 20:15 |
| ivoks | it won't | 20:15 |
| patdk-wk | maybe I am reading this wrong | 20:16 |
| ivoks | so: | 20:16 |
| patdk-wk | "but there are three shares. two of which should only be accessible to the lan, one of which should be public and have a pw" | 20:16 |
| ivoks | [global] | 20:16 |
| ivoks | security = user | 20:16 |
| patdk-wk | that mean two for local network with guest access, and one world accesable? | 20:16 |
| ivoks | [private_share] | 20:16 |
| ivoks | guest ok = no | 20:16 |
| ivoks | [public_share] | 20:16 |
| ivoks | guest ok = yes | 20:16 |
| ivoks | map to guest = Bad User | 20:17 |
| RoyK | ivoks: that will still ask for authentication | 20:17 |
| lieuwe | patdk-wk: no, the two lans should be without pass, and the global one with | 20:17 |
| qman__ | depends on your client | 20:17 |
| RoyK | ivoks: also, please use a pastebin for that sort of multiline output | 20:17 |
| patdk-wk | lieuwe, yes, but what is the definition of GLOBAL? | 20:17 |
| patdk-wk | world wide over the internet? | 20:17 |
| qman__ | depending on the policy set, many versions of windows will simply auth as guest | 20:17 |
| patdk-wk | cause that doesn't work | 20:17 |
| lieuwe | patdk-wk: world wide | 20:17 |
| patdk-wk | won't work | 20:17 |
| qman__ | which has caused me all sorts of trouble in the past | 20:17 |
| patdk-wk | use a vpn | 20:17 |
| lieuwe | patdk-wk: why wont it work? | 20:17 |
| qman__ | yeah, you can't use samba over the net directly | 20:17 |
| * RoyK wonders what some people in here are smoking | 20:18 | |
| qman__ | it's not a routable protocol | 20:18 |
| lieuwe | wtf | 20:18 |
| patdk-wk | hehe | 20:18 |
| lieuwe | why not? seems awfully limited | 20:18 |
| patdk-wk | most isp's block the ports samba uses, for good purpose | 20:18 |
| qman__ | well, it is routable, but yeah | 20:18 |
| _Techie_ | qman__, i could prolly get samba working on the net, but have no needd for it | 20:18 |
| qman__ | the name service isn't | 20:18 |
| _Techie_ | quite easily | 20:18 |
| qman__ | and most places block it | 20:18 |
| _Techie_ | port 445 | 20:19 |
| RoyK | qman__: netbeui is not routable, but samba uses this protocol called IP, see, so it's routable | 20:19 |
| * patdk-wk doesn't use winserv | 20:19 | |
| ivoks | http://pastebin.com/3A3gv5sk | 20:19 |
| ivoks | this works | 20:19 |
| ivoks | those that don't belive, read smb.conf or try | 20:19 |
| ivoks | of course, add other variables | 20:19 |
| patdk-wk | ivoks, yes, but that doesn't answer his question :) | 20:19 |
| patdk-wk | getting that public share to work with user auth, over the internet :) | 20:20 |
| ivoks | over the internet? | 20:20 |
| patdk-wk | yep | 20:20 |
| ivoks | smb over the internet? | 20:20 |
| ivoks | do not do that | 20:20 |
| qman__ | even if you could, it's still a bad idea | 20:20 |
| ivoks | period. | 20:20 |
| qman__ | use sftp | 20:20 |
| lieuwe | okay, i get the point, never mind :P | 20:20 |
| ivoks | if you need something like that, setup webdav | 20:20 |
| lieuwe | i better just host some files using apache then... | 20:20 |
| * patdk-wk just uses ipsec/openvpn/.... | 20:21 | |
| sobersabre | hi guys. | 20:24 |
| sobersabre | what's the "right" way to install an init script ? | 20:24 |
| RoyK | SMB/CIFS over the internet is a PITA - the protocol is so chatty it'll slow down your multimegabit connection down to a single B-channel ISDN link for random access | 20:24 |
| sobersabre | I'm reading insserv manual, and I don't see examples of usage. | 20:24 |
| sobersabre | is insserv "the" way ? or update-rc.d ? | 20:25 |
| sobersabre | (I'm on 10.04) | 20:25 |
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| qman__ | well, 10.04 is most of the way changed over to upstart | 20:25 |
| sobersabre | qman__: so ... what do I do ? | 20:25 |
| qman__ | so only a few straggling init scripts left | 20:25 |
| ivoks | sobersabre: copy it in /etc/init.d/ and then update-rc.d | 20:25 |
| sobersabre | ivoks: but I looked in /etc/rc2.d and it has SO few scripts in there. | 20:26 |
| sobersabre | so, I assume more scripts have been invoked, because of some changes. | 20:26 |
| sobersabre | and I haven't been in sync with this. | 20:26 |
| ivoks | sobersabre: ubuntu is moving to upstart | 20:26 |
| ivoks | sobersabre: those are in /etc/init/ | 20:26 |
| sobersabre | ivoks: so what do I do, how do I use upstart ? | 20:27 |
| sobersabre | I ran insserv, and got many warnings, loops, etc. | 20:27 |
| qman__ | the entire sysvinit in 10.04 is just compatibility | 20:27 |
| Reyuken | does anybody know how to create a user with ftp access to / ? | 20:27 |
| ivoks | i administred debian/ubuntu systems for more than a decade | 20:27 |
| ivoks | i've never used insserv :) | 20:28 |
| Reyuken | i know i shouldnt change a users home directory to / | 20:28 |
| qman__ | you shouldn't be using ftp | 20:28 |
| patdk-wk | never used insserv also | 20:28 |
| sobersabre | ivoks: I am running the script as S99 and it's supposed to be the last. | 20:28 |
| sobersabre | but it IS NOT running the last. | 20:28 |
| ivoks | sobersabre: it's not the last | 20:28 |
| soren | sobersabre: Why does it need to be last? | 20:28 |
| qman__ | especially if you're not locked down to a chroot | 20:28 |
| ivoks | sobersabre: i told you, ubuntu is moving to upstart | 20:28 |
| Reyuken | i just want something to move files over easily to my server | 20:28 |
| ivoks | upstart works differently | 20:28 |
| sobersabre | ivoks: I'm at its homepage. | 20:29 |
| Reyuken | ftp would be a good option imo | 20:29 |
| qman__ | Reyuken, use sftp | 20:29 |
| qman__ | it's part of SSH, which you probably have anyway | 20:29 |
| ivoks | sobersabre: look at some examples in /etc/init/ | 20:29 |
| sobersabre | how do I upstart myself ? :) | 20:29 |
| qman__ | and, FTP is never a good option | 20:29 |
| sobersabre | init! | 20:29 |
| sobersabre | ok. | 20:29 |
| sobersabre | moment. | 20:29 |
| ivoks | sobersabre: figure out what your program requires to start | 20:29 |
| soren | sobersabre: Again, why does it need to be last? | 20:29 |
| sobersabre | soren: I don't have time to investigate who it depends upon. | 20:30 |
| soren | sobersabre: What is it? | 20:30 |
| sobersabre | if it runs manually after the system has been up | 20:31 |
| ivoks | soren: it's a secret :) | 20:31 |
| sobersabre | it brings up a bridge and nas interface | 20:31 |
| soren | sobersabre: But if you don't know what it depends on, put it in S99, add a "sleep 3600" to the top, and you should be fine. | 20:31 |
| qman__ | Reyuken, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie | 20:31 |
| ivoks | then it starts after networking | 20:31 |
| soren | Probably. | 20:31 |
| sobersabre | I assume it should be after $network. | 20:31 |
| Reyuken | heh | 20:31 |
| ivoks | start on started networking | 20:31 |
| ivoks | done | 20:31 |
| sobersabre | OK... I'll copy from ssh. | 20:31 |
| ivoks | ssh doesn't start after network | 20:32 |
| ivoks | cause ssh is smart; it detects network changes :) | 20:32 |
| Reyuken | oh my, using my root account details via sftp brings me to the root directory automaticly | 20:32 |
| Reyuken | problem solved i guess | 20:32 |
| Reyuken | /* | 20:32 |
| patdk-wk | or, created :) | 20:33 |
| sobersabre | ivoks: yep. so assuming I did modify ssh.conf to this thing, do I need to install anything, or is it supposed to work as soon as this script has been created ? | 20:33 |
| ivoks | sobersabre: restart ssh | 20:34 |
| _Techie_ | Reyuken, rm -R /* | 20:34 |
| _Techie_ | JK | 20:34 |
| sobersabre | ivoks: no, it's not ssh :) | 20:34 |
| yann2 | btw, what's the best place to learn how to write upstart files? | 20:34 |
| Reyuken | lol | 20:34 |
| ivoks | then start your_service | 20:34 |
| sobersabre | yep. | 20:34 |
| sobersabre | now, questions... | 20:34 |
| sobersabre | expect fork. I don't run daemon... I removed this. OK ? | 20:34 |
| sobersabre | respawn, don't run daemons. | 20:34 |
| sobersabre | removed. | 20:35 |
| Reyuken | im still incapable of changing home directories though, usermod just keeps telling me that the user in question is logged in :/ | 20:35 |
| ivoks | sobersabre: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Stanzas | 20:35 |
| _Techie_ | Reyuken, usually if you have the godly root access, then it shouldnt matter | 20:35 |
| ivoks | yann2: start with existing jobs in /etc/init/ and look at http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/Stanzas | 20:35 |
| binBASH | btw. soren good tip with that cloud stuff, I didn't buy many servers now :D But it took 4 weeks to adopt software :) | 20:36 |
| Reyuken | i kinda prefer to put everything under a ftp folder of some kind | 20:36 |
| Reyuken | instead of lots of folders in home | 20:36 |
| sobersabre | OK. | 20:36 |
| yann2 | bookmarked, cheers, that'll be useful :) | 20:36 |
| qkumbers | is there no longer a #ubuntu-virt room? | 20:51 |
| soren | No. | 20:51 |
| soren | (and they're called channels) | 20:51 |
| qkumbers | I'm trying to find a good example of how to take advantage of qemu overlays, but I'm not using virt-manager | 20:52 |
| qkumbers | I created the virtual machine with vmbuilder and I use virsh to manage it | 20:53 |
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| k5673 | Yo! | 20:59 |
| k5673 | soren: vmbuilder can not build maverick guests in lucid. ALready updated the packages. | 21:00 |
| k5673 | Why?! | 21:00 |
| soren | Because it sucks. | 21:00 |
| ivoks | :) | 21:01 |
| alex88 | hi, i've setup the vsftp server, i'm in a folder owned by user, connected as user.. but it says permission denied for upload (i can connect and download) | 21:04 |
| alex88 | how do i troubleshoot this? | 21:05 |
| alex88 | no one? | 21:07 |
| ivoks | vsftpd.conf | 21:08 |
| alex88 | oh..write_enable was default.. | 21:12 |
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| benedikt | if i have a libvirt/qemu/kvm system with a couple of virtual machines, what is the best way to peridocly backup the guest systems to a remote server? | 23:21 |
| benedikt | or is there any other way then to transfer the disc images as they are? | 23:26 |
| benedikt | im hoping for a incremental backup alternative | 23:26 |
| owh | benedikt: Well, you can backup from within the guest using rsync. Alternatively you can shutdown/suspend the guest and backup the disc image. I'm using OS X as my host with a sparse-bundle disk image where all my virtual machines are stored. Time machine (rsync gui) does the differential backup, since the sparse-bundle is a collection of disk blocks in a directory structure. | 23:32 |
| owh | I've also heard of LVM snapshots being used for this purpose, but I have no experience with it. | 23:32 |
| benedikt | owh: but the problem is that I dont have access to all of the guest systems | 23:32 |
| benedikt | (but they are not mission critical anyways) | 23:33 |
| benedikt | so regular backup it is | 23:33 |
| owh | You could store all the images for each machine on an LVM volume and snapshot that, but I have no personal experience with that. | 23:33 |
| benedikt | neither do i | 23:34 |
| benedikt | im not even using lvm | 23:34 |
| owh | Google: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/snapshots_backup.html | 23:34 |
| owh | More: http://rhcelinuxguide.wordpress.com/2006/06/03/what-is-a-logical-volume-manager-lvm-snapshot-and-how-do-i-use-it/ | 23:35 |
| zealiod | hey, i have inherited a network that has 10 vlans on eth.111, eth.112, etc - I want them all to share a common subnet - how can this be made possible? | 23:42 |
| zealiod | and what is a proxy network? | 23:44 |
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