[04:11] <grantbow> while installing on 10.04 I got the following:
[04:12] <grantbow> Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/python-sugar-0.88_0.88.0-1ubuntu1_i386.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[04:20] <timClicks> grantbow, how did you install it?
[04:24] <grantbow> timClicks: I followed the 10.04 instructions https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sugar/
[04:24] <timClicks> sorry to hear things went badly for you
[04:25] <grantbow> if I can debug it far enough I'm happy to file a good bug out of the experience
[04:26] <grantbow> oops, because for 10.04 it's still a ppa the automatic bug reporting didn't complete successfully
[04:27] <grantbow> a box popped up but it failed after two click-throughs
[04:27] <timClicks> hrm
[04:39] <timClicks> grantbow, what happens when you do "sudo dpkg -i   /var/cache/apt/archives/python-sugar-0.88_0.88.0-1ubuntu1_i386.deb"
[04:42] <timClicks> actually, a better command would be
[04:42] <timClicks> sudo dpkg  --debug=3773 -i  /var/cache/apt/archives/python-sugar-0.88_0.88.0-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[04:45] <timClicks> there is a quite good tutorial here
[04:45] <timClicks> http://shearer.org/Debugging_Dpkg_Problems
[04:46]  * grantbow triest the dpkg command
[04:47] <grantbow> hmm, quite a bit of output, looking for a pastebin
[04:51] <grantbow> ok, I ran that with 2>&1 on the end and I got http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/520539/
[04:51] <grantbow> timClicks: I'll look at the tutorial now too, thanks for the link
[05:00] <grantbow> timClicks: I tried to do an apt-get install asoundconf-gtk for an unrelated problem
[05:01] <timClicks> was that having trouble as well?
[05:01] <grantbow> I got the following: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/520541/
[05:01] <timClicks> i recommend asking in #ubuntu
[05:02] <grantbow> I have nowhere near the time to do that.  I'm at UDS trying to catch up on things before tomorrow and still get some sleep.
[05:02] <grantbow> I don't think these issues are unrelated to the sugar packages from what I see so far
[05:02] <nUboon2Age> sometimes apt-get is ineffective in resolving dependencies, where Synaptic does better (or Aptitude) grantbow
[05:03] <Quozl> i've never had anything do better than apt-get for resolving dependencies.
[05:03] <grantbow> maybe, but the real issue is a failed install script in python-sugar per http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/520539/
[05:04] <nUboon2Age> well your mileage may vary, but i'm not the first to say that Quozl
[05:04] <grantbow> nUboon2Age: you came in late and missed the first part of this discussion unfortunately
[05:04] <nUboon2Age> so sorry grantbow
[05:05] <nUboon2Age> so does the install script essentially break the apt cache stuff grantbow?
[05:07] <grantbow> every package includes install scripts, and when they break the system can be in an indeterminate state
[05:08] <grantbow> as I think is part of the problem here along maybe with some dependencies that may be related to my older attempt to install packages similar to these on this machine
[05:09] <grantbow> looking at http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/520541/ I think the problems are related to the current packages and current failed install script as described by the output http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/520539/
[05:20] <grantbow> I wish these packages were rock solid - I need them.
[07:14]  * grantbow goes to bed, ttyl I hope
[12:21] <satellit_> grantbow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sugar and http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Ubuntu
[12:23] <satellit_> http://download.sugarlabs.org/usr/USR-i386-20101007.iso latest (Just have to add surf-115 to complete it)
[14:10] <grantbow> satellit_: I'll try that later after I fix my machine one way or another as the package install script broke and now my machine can't install packages until I get something resolved with it.
[14:11] <grantbow> I will probably uninstall I guess
[14:12] <satellit_> Try USR  (use USB startup disk creator to make a USB installer)
[14:13] <grantbow> satellit_: I will do that after I fix my broken system then download USR
[14:13] <satellit_> ok good luck......
[14:13] <grantbow> I just got the zsync files from http://download.sugarlabs.org/usr/
[14:15] <satellit_> you can run as non-install also
[14:15] <satellit_> from USB
[14:15] <grantbow> after I fix the broken package script
[14:15] <satellit_> :  )
[14:15] <grantbow> breaking people's systems with bad packages is very very bad
[14:17] <satellit_> http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/Surf-115.xo  is good browser to use with USR then can load terminal etc,,,,
[14:17] <satellit_> drag drop from 2nd USB
[14:17] <grantbow> quite frustrating this discussion
[14:17] <grantbow> the package is broken
[14:17] <grantbow> it needs to get fixed
[14:17] <grantbow> if you can help great
[14:18] <grantbow> anything else than my broken system right now is not very helpful as once I uninstall I won't be able to help debug this serious problem of breaking machines with the existing sugar packages offered for use in the PPA
[14:20] <grantbow> I would rather work with someone who cares to fix this than ignore it as it's a serious bug that disables at least my machine and probably others
[14:21] <satellit_> USR is 10.10 so no need for ppa  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sugar-remix from Universe
[14:22] <anubhav_> alsroot: hi
[14:22] <alsroot> anubhav_: hi
[14:22] <anubhav_> alsroot:  could you provide some pointers on Multiple numbers appended to make filenames unique on removable devices.(#2453)
[14:23] <grantbow> satellit_: you are missing the point
[14:24] <satellit_> OK I am not a ubuntu guru....... I am sugesting a fresh install....Obviously you are not
[14:24] <anubhav_> alsroot: according to my understanding i have to get the metadata of each item in listview and check there titles and chnge them accordingly
[14:24] <alsroot> anubhav_: see model.py in journal sources, it should take care of creating new files
[14:25] <grantbow> the sugar packages broke my system - if I uninstall I can't help fix it
[14:25] <grantbow> and my effort is wasted and other people's machines are going to break
[14:25] <grantbow> did you see the output of the two pastebins last night?
[14:26] <satellit_> grantbow: I cannot help you on this....sorry
[14:29] <anubhav_> alsroot: we have check the titles of other icons while writing here w can change but how could we get the titles on already existing icons ?
[14:30] <grantbow> satellit_: Understood, just stop offering alternatives as if you are ignoring the real problem.  I'm not only interested but willing and able to help try to help get things fixed for myself and anyone else that tries the packages on Ubuntu. I can look at the script later when I have more time.
[14:30] <alsroot> anubhav_: in my mind changing filenames of already existed files is overkill
[14:32] <anubhav_> alsroot: ok.. my question was how can we get the previous title not for changing but for comparing so that we can name the existing bundle accordingly
[14:34] <alsroot> anubhav_: if there is not chances to get it from code, it is impossible - datastore doesn't provide history of matadata changing
[14:37] <anubhav_> alsroot: ok thank you...
[16:56] <lfaraone> grantbow: did you file a bug about tht?
[16:56] <grantbow> hi luke!
[16:56] <grantbow> not yet
[16:57] <lfaraone> grantbow: the issue is that you have sugar-base installed from the PPA, at least from my inspection of your logs.
[16:57] <grantbow> are the pastbins enough for an actionable bug? I'd like to narrow it down first
[16:57]  * lfaraone doens't like the PPA, personally.
[16:57] <grantbow> thanks for looking!
[16:57] <lfaraone> grantbow: line 122 http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/520539/ appears to be the actual error.
[16:58] <grantbow> I'm about to step into a session at uds.ubuntu.com on desktop testing
[16:58]  * grantbow looks
[16:59] <grantbow> the ppa is the only way to install on 10.04 right?
[16:59] <lfaraone> grantbow: no.
[16:59] <grantbow> oh, interesting
[16:59] <lfaraone> grantbow: I think you can install Sugar in 10.04, but it just doesn't have activities.
[17:00] <grantbow> I did install via the ppa.  If there's another way https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sugar needs an update
[17:00] <lfaraone> As a group, I don't think we intend to support 10.04. 10.10 was the first release there was a concerted effort to make it Not Suck.
[17:00] <grantbow> but MY laptop is 10.04 right now, lol
[17:01] <grantbow> I hear you
[17:01] <lfaraone> In all honesty, I don't think we should advise *anybody* to use the PPA, there's no quality assurance before packages are uploaded.
[17:01] <grantbow> that wiki page should be updated then
[17:04] <satellit_> grantbow alsroot used to maintain a ppa for ubuntu. not sure if it still exists
[17:06] <alsroot> satellit_: the last ppa was for karmic, for recent ubuntu versions - official packages and bazaar packages (it contain eg pyxpcom)
[17:06] <lfaraone> We really should do some quality assurance *before* suggesting these things to users.
[17:06] <satellit_> alsroot: thanks
[17:11] <grantbow> lfarone: yes
[17:14] <satellit_> grantbow: lfaraone: also see wiki http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Ubuntu#Sugar_on_Ubuntu_10.04_.28lucid.29  these should be checked It has been 6 months since I tried this (worked then)
[17:17]  * lfaraone just posted to the ML about proposed QA for the PPA
[17:18] <satellit_> grantbow: does software sources show ppa?
[17:19] <grantbow> thank you for the link and ML item
[17:19] <grantbow> satellit_: I always use a command line and manually check /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[17:19] <satellit_> sudo apt-get remove `dpkg-query -W -f '${package} ${maintainer}\n' | grep alsroot | awk '{print $1}'`
[17:19] <satellit_> sudo sed -i '/alsroot.sugar-0.86/d' /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:19] <satellit_>  to remove it?
[17:20] <grantbow> interesting, I'll try that later today
[17:20] <satellit_> that is from wiki instructions for older ubuntu....just an idea
[17:20] <alsroot> satellit_: yup, but it was an issue only if older ppa was used before
[17:21] <grantbow> I don't think I have an older ppa now
[17:25] <satellit_> I have 10.10 (USR 902 running now on external USB Drive) works well.. per instructions on wiki's I so sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get upgrade to maintain latest activities
[17:28] <satellit_> s/do
[17:38] <satellit_> lfaraone: any way to restore the ppa to an older working version? (I saw your note in lists about it)
[17:51] <satellit_> grantbow: Virtualbox? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Emulator_image_files#VirtualBox   Appliance of UbuntuSugarRemix
[17:53] <grantbow> Virtualbox performance of SoaS sucks. I'm having to repartition a few machines when I get back to california
[17:54] <satellit_> grantbow: depends on laptop  works great on hp AMD 64x2 laptop
[18:09] <USRMaverick-48f0> grantbow: here is Maverick 10.10 USR with sugar as sugar-emulator -f
[19:03] <thangam_arun> dfarning, Hii
[19:04] <manusheel> thangam_arun: Hi Arun.
[19:04] <dfarning> thangam_arun, he
[19:04] <dfarning> thangam_arun, ^Hi
[19:05] <thangam_arun> manusheel, Hii
[19:05] <dfarning> thangam_arun, id you have a good trip?
[19:05] <thangam_arun> dfarning, Yes
[19:05] <thangam_arun> dfarning, gud experience
[19:06] <thangam_arun> dfarning, i have one question
[19:06] <thangam_arun> I am trying to run ./usr-scratch.sh
[19:07] <thangam_arun> it throws cp: cannot stat `build/i386-fs/boot/initrd.img*': No such file or directory
[19:09] <thangam_arun> dfarning, i need to have the rootfs structure in ./usr directory ??
[19:10] <dfarning> thangam_arun, one minute I'll log in th the build machine
[19:11] <thangam_arun> dfarning, okay
[19:13] <dfarning> thangam_arun,  did you run it as 'sudo ./usr-scratch.sh all i386'?
[19:14] <thangam_arun> no
[19:14] <thangam_arun> ./usr-scratch.sh iso i386
[19:14] <dfarning> thangam_arun, it must be run as root because of the file squashing stuff
[19:15] <thangam_arun> dfarning, fine
[19:15] <dfarning> thangam_arun, I think you are on the sudo list.
[19:15] <thangam_arun> dfarning, now its working
[19:15] <thangam_arun> dfarning, Thanks a lot
[19:16] <dfarning> thangam_arun, thanks for working on this!  Have you met grantbow? He is at the ubuntu developer summit this week.
[19:17] <thangam_arun> dfarning, No
[19:17] <grantbow> thangam_arun: are you at UDS too?
[19:17] <thangam_arun> dfarning, i did not know him
[19:17] <thangam_arun> grantbow, no no
[19:18] <grantbow> ok
[19:18] <dfarning> grantbow, thangam_arun is working on the build system so we can make USR - ISOs
[19:18] <grantbow> excellent!
[19:18] <dfarning> http://download.sugarlabs.org/usr/
[19:19] <dfarning> grantbow, it is a slightly modified version of Ubuntu Netbook remix with Sugar as a GUI.
[19:21] <dfarning> thangam_arun,  i use the following incantation to run a build+upload
[19:21] <dfarning> sudo ./usr-scratch.sh all i386 && sudo ./usr-scratch.sh all amd64 && rsync -aP output/* sunjammer:/upload/usr
[19:22] <thangam_arun> dfarning, okay
[19:22] <thangam_arun> dfarning, I just started usr build for both i386 and amd64
[19:23] <dfarning> thangam_arun, nice.
[19:24] <satellit_> I will test when it gets uploaded to /usr....
[19:24] <thangam_arun> satellit_, Thanks for your support.
[19:24] <satellit_> yw thanks for all of yours
[19:25] <dfarning> thangam_arun,  A nice task to get familiar with the build script might be to abstact is slightly so that we can make both 10.10 and 11.04.
[19:27] <dfarning> thangam_arun, would be pretty straight forward.  just changing a couple of constants to variables.  the chroot command handles all of the hard stuff:)
[19:27] <thangam_arun> dfarning, what are all the chnages need to be done ?
[19:29] <dfarning> thangam_arun, add another case in function_uasge()
[19:29] <thangam_arun> dfarning, okay
[19:30] <dfarning> thangam_arun, change the hardcoded maverick in line 78 of do_debboot strap
[19:30] <dfarning> thangam_arun, a couple of minor things like that.
[19:31] <thangam_arun> dfarning, okay
[19:32] <dfarning> thangam_arun, to be complete we will also want to split up the template dir into 10.10 an 11.04 templates.
[19:34] <thangam_arun> dfarning, okay. Right now i am just modifying the script
[19:40] <dfarning> thangam_arun, cool.
[20:02] <thangam_arun> dfarning, we need to have to usr-10.10 and usr-11.04 directories ??
[20:03] <thangam_arun> dfarning, how are we going to organise the build for 10.10 & 11.04 ??
[20:04] <dfarning> thangam_arun, hmmm. not sure. What do you think is best?
[20:07] <thangam_arun> we will have two directories like "usr-04" "usr-10" build scripts for the same. Otherwise we will be able to build only one codename at a time not both(10.10 &11.04)
[20:09] <thangam_arun> dfarning, between, i am getting "Failed to read file build/i386-fs/proc/acpi/info, creating empty file" --> is it wrong or just an information ??
[20:09] <dfarning> thangam_arun, +1
[20:10] <dfarning> thangam_arun, I have not noticed that error before.
[20:22] <thangam_arun> dfarning, i am getting more like so
[20:49] <thangam_arun>  dfarning, the iso creation process will take more time ??