[13:18] <hyperair> Sarvatt, bryceh: is nvidia-96 working in maverick?
[13:18] <Sarvatt> nope, no nvidia-96 compatible yet
[13:19] <ion> sarvatt: Did you notice my message, btw?
[13:19] <hyperair> Sarvatt: goddamn nvidia.
[13:19] <Sarvatt> no never got a message
[13:20] <Sarvatt> hotel wireless is crap and kicking me off a lot :(
[13:21]  * Sarvatt checks irclogs.ubuntu.com
[13:22] <ion> sarvatt: It would be nice to get the Provides: xserver-xorg-video-… stuff back to the fglrx packaging. Otherwise, we’re back in the situation where some xorg update in natty will break fglrx and the fglrx package doesn’t do anything to defer it. For easy backports, how about a list like “natty→760 maverick→760 lucid→7x0 karmic→7x0” in debian/rules and pick both the fglrx object directory and the Provides string based on the distro version the ...
[13:22] <ion> ... package is being built for? When xorg becomes incompatible in natty, fglrx will refuse to be installed alongside, and whenever there’s an update to fglrx that is compatible again, one just has to add it to the packaging and change debian/rules to say the equivalent of “natty→770” or whatever.
[13:24] <Sarvatt> ion: we've got at least 4 months to worry about that and will do it next package update, the consensus at UDS seemed to be sticking with 1.9.x if at all possible though
[13:32] <Sarvatt> also xserver 1.10's abi won't be in the X.Org 7.7 katamari for it to go in 770, i'm sure they'll just make 760 support both if they even bother
[13:44] <Sarvatt> ion: sorry, ubuflu caught up to me there.. a part of the problem is that the xserver-xorg-video-foo stuff changed completely in xserver 1.7.6.901 that wasn't in lucid and backporting the abi stuff needs a ton of changes in the rules, the 760/750/740 stuff is mapped to X.Org katamari releases
[13:48] <Sarvatt> i dont know which folder supports xserver 1.8's video abi actually, hmm.. wonder if they just skipped it completely
[14:05] <Sarvatt> no reason for me to drop the serverabi target from maverick or natty packages though at any rate
[14:06] <Sarvatt> ugh these icecast streams are unusably quiet, so much for staying in the hotel room and listening remotely to not get people sick today :)
[14:06] <RAOF_> Heh.  What are you listening to?
[14:07] <Sarvatt> unity switch to compiz
[14:07] <RAOF_> I presume that's the one that I'm in :)
[14:08] <Sarvatt> oh it hadnt started yet haha
[14:09] <RAOF_> I think the compiz-specific one is actually tomorrow.
[14:10] <Sarvatt> i like that there's a Git for Bzr users session :)
[14:10] <RAOF_> )
[14:12] <Sarvatt> RAOF_: oh it got rescheduled?
[14:12] <RAOF_> Sarvatt: Yeah.  Always. :)
[14:13] <RAOF_> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/2010-10-28/ - tomorrow at 9.
[14:14] <Sarvatt> oh sheesh I was looking at tomorrows schedule
[14:14] <RAOF_> You're sick - it's allowable to be a bit foggy :)
[14:35] <Sarvatt> cnd: you're marked essential at 2 sessions at 4:15?
[14:35] <cnd> erm?
[14:35] <cnd> let me check
[14:36] <cnd> Sarvatt, which sessions?
[14:36] <cnd> I see gesture support in gtk/gnome applications
[14:36] <Sarvatt> Gesture Support in GTK/GNOME Applications and Flexibility in support for different touchscreens/hardware configurations
[14:37] <cnd> oh yeah
[14:37] <cnd> so I think the GTK one is wrong
[14:37] <cnd> it also appears right above it
[14:37] <cnd> at 15:00
[14:37] <Sarvatt> oh gotcha
[14:37] <cnd> I'll sort it out with oubiwann
[14:37] <cnd> thanks for the heads up!
[15:43] <Ian_Corne> Hello!
[16:56] <Sarvatt> RAOF_: this multi monitor discussion seems to be mostly gnome problems instead of X..
[16:56] <Sarvatt> ahh beat me to it bryce :)
[16:56] <RAOF_> As I say, X is perfect :)
[16:59] <Sarvatt> i missed the first half, locked myself out of the room and went to cvs for medicine :( found recordings though! http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-n/
[18:15]  * Sarvatt tries to dig around for some lists of GL hardware limiations
[19:23] <knittl> hi. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/318325 news on this bug?
[19:23] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 318325 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (Fedora) (and 2 other projects) "[X1100] flickering after resume from ram (affects: 17) (dups: 2) (heat: 88)" [Undecided,New]
[19:28] <knittl> i want to try xorg-edgers ppa from launchpad
[19:29] <knittl> which ppa should i add? nouveau/edgers-ppa-kernel-source
[19:29] <knittl> +?
[19:47] <ScottK> RAOF_: Would it be possible to have the x* packages generate -dgb packages?  How do you handle xorg-edgers not having -dbsym packages?
[19:49] <ScottK> It would solve out no debug symbols for the drivers problem as we discussed in the session.
[19:52] <knittl> hm. xorg-edgers did not help
[19:52] <knittl> flickering did go away, but screen stays blank
[19:53] <knittl> i would be more than happy to provide additional information
[19:54] <Sarvatt> ScottK: they have them already
[19:55] <Sarvatt> even in the archive, -dbgsym isnt really useful for X stuff since they all have -dbg
[19:55] <Sarvatt> outside of a few oddball libs
[19:58] <ScottK> Hmmm.
[19:58] <ScottK> OK.  I asked udslogger to join us
[19:59] <ScottK> Since he thought they weren't there.  
[19:59] <ScottK> Maybe I asked for the wrong thing.
[20:07] <RAOF_> (Also, ppas should have dbgsyms soonish)
[20:11] <Sarvatt> really? i quite liked that pkg-create-dbgsym wasn't run on a ppa because it meant i had working X dbg packages unlike the archive ones for lucid :D
[20:15] <ricotz> Sarvatt, hi, any plans to start the natty pocket for edgers?
[20:16] <Sarvatt> ricotz: haven't decided what to do with it yet, got any ideas?
[20:17] <Sarvatt> i'm questioning the worth of building all the libs this time around
[20:18] <ricotz> Sarvatt, mhh, i see, i am currently using the natty repos so i was hoping to get some proper builds for it
[20:19] <ricotz> not sure if the packaging is final yet? might be some discussions on uds propably
[20:19] <Sarvatt> the packaging?
[20:20] <Sarvatt> i've got git versions of all of the X libs and protos in lucid and maverick but its not really needed in natty at the moment, but not updating those is going to mean natty has older stuff
[20:20] <ricotz> i just read some things about switching to as gallium default
[20:20] <Sarvatt> ricotz: oh i already did all that in edgers
[20:21] <Sarvatt> ricotz: its safe to use the maverick repo on natty still at any rate
[20:22] <Sarvatt> i'm thinking of just leaving off all the protos and libs for natty this time around
[20:22] <ricotz> oh really, what does the experimental contain?
[20:23] <ricotz> yeah if there arent required that is fine
[20:23] <Sarvatt> i only needed to add those for the xserver 1.6-1.7-1.8 transitions, but ended up having to keep them around because of the + :(
[20:23] <Sarvatt> ok will start uploading things now then
[20:24] <RAOF_> I think it's reoasonable to not do any extra work on the libs unless it looks like there are potentially interesting fixes in them.
[20:24] <ricotz> Sarvatt, no need to hurry perhaps you are makeing some other decisions this week
[20:24] <Sarvatt> this is the latest i've held off updating to the new release since intrepid, needed a working laptop for UDS and all :)
[20:25] <Sarvatt> ricotz: i'm sick as a dog with ubuflu in the hotel room and its all automated, no biggie at all
[20:26] <ricotz> alright
[20:26] <ricotz> Sarvatt, you are still using mutter?
[20:26] <Sarvatt> actually, I ran the update script earlier today already, it'll have to wait until tomorrow for most of the stuff
[20:26] <Sarvatt> nope good old metacity
[20:27] <ricotz> ok,  i remember you were say that you are using mutter out of my ppa
[20:27] <Sarvatt> excitement in the PPA recently?
[20:27] <ricotz> there is a package for mutter 2.91 now ;)
[20:28] <ricotz> gnome-shell is working on intel for me, but nouveau has problems
[20:28] <Sarvatt> i think nouveau has problems in general now that they added the page flip stuff
[20:29] <ricotz> yeah, also crashes 0ad for me
[20:29] <RAOF_> Oh, really?  When did pageflip go in?
[20:30] <ricotz> RAOF_, 5 days ago
[20:30] <Sarvatt> 6 days ago for the libdrm side
[20:31] <RAOF_> Yay!  More bug source.
[20:31] <Sarvatt> oh wait, its only <nv50 actually
[20:33] <Sarvatt> i'm kinda scared to build all the X libs on natty anyway :)
[20:33] <Sarvatt> (gcc 4.5 and all..)
[20:46] <Sarvatt> well, i'm down to one page flip hang a week on 945, definitely an improvement
[20:47] <Sarvatt> one of the commits we just pulled into the maverick-proposed kernel fixed page flip hangs completely on 965 for someone in #intel-gfx
[20:48] <RAOF_> So we should probably drop the disablement patch from Natty, at least to begin with.
[20:48] <RAOF_> (that worked *awesomely* at the Prague sprint ;))
[20:54] <Sarvatt> I cant reproduce this xvfb bug with just the commands run in the build process, guess I have to build openjdk (on an atom..)
[20:55] <RAOF_> I need to get Sam to update the ssh forwarding at home; then you could have access to an amd64 at least.
[20:58] <Sarvatt> it looks like a dbus problem to me, maybe it only happens in a chroot anyway
[21:42] <udslogger> hellos
[22:29] <kcj> Can anyone here help me with this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/665734 please? 
[22:29] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 665734 in xorg (Ubuntu) "Xorg freezes when viewing website in Firefox. (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New]
[22:31]  * bryceh_ looks quizzically at ubot4`
[22:32] <kcj> I did that.
[22:33] <bryceh_> kcj, ahh
[22:33] <bryceh_> thought we had a bot auto-reporting bugs as filed again or something