[00:00] <txwikinger> ola.. que me cuentas?
[00:00] <txwikinger> +H
[00:09] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Add it to build-depends.
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> can't exactly ask everybody to change every package in every ppa to add it, tho
[00:37] <CIA-96> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1190530 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/config.cpp SVN_SILENT: Whitespace
[00:45] <ScottK> Sure, but we could do it for Kubuntu PPAs.
[00:45] <CIA-96> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101027234533-ac6iii1xwlgvtwqt * debian/control Keep kchart package for now
[00:47] <ScottK> FYI, phonon built on armel and I've given Riddell a proposed debian/rules change based on the fix for that to see if he can build qt4-x11 in the armel PPA he has access to (it won't build on my box the way it's set up at the moment).
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, good point. That would ensure that we could always have a debug package for every package in the PPA
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> which have a significant userbase
[00:50]  * starcraftman waves hello to kubuntu-dev and DarkwingDuck :)
[00:50] <DarkwingDuck> Hey guys... starcraftman is a KDE user with dev aspirations. Let's give him a warm welcome 
[00:50] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: ^^^^^^ Already starting. ;)
[00:51] <Lex79> only KDE packages?
[00:51] <Lex79> welcome starcraftman :)
[00:51] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Excellent.
[00:51] <ScottK> starcraftman: Welcome.
[00:52] <starcraftman> hello Lex79, and ScottK guess I'll just be sitting for now and see as I get free time. I been meaning to get into linux dev but being coop uni student = low free time. 
[00:53] <ScottK> starcraftman: You are using Kubuntu now?
[00:53] <starcraftman> ScottK: For a while now, long time Ubuntu user I suppose. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/starcraft.man
[00:53] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: just add pkgbinarymangler to kde-sc-dev-latest dependencies in the ppa package, no?
[00:54] <JontheEchidna> Lex79: that'd do it
[00:54] <Lex79> ok
[00:56] <ScottK> starcraftman: Nice.
[00:56] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: I have another rekonq request... form field and text input spell check... unless I'm missing something somewhere... 
[00:56] <txwikinger> what's cooking?
[01:02] <Sput> that reminds me, I meant to try starcraft 2 in wine
[01:02] <starcraftman> ScottK: hmmm, so are you in charge? Looked through links seem to be focused on natty, any that go over team organization?
[01:09] <ScottK> starcraftman: Not in charge.  Just one of the contributors (who is heading off to dinner).  We can chat later though.
[01:10] <starcraftman> ScottK: later then, enjoy supper. I'll be around.
[02:42] <CIA-96> [muon] jmthomas * 1190553 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Add the ability to change how often APT auto-cleans obsolete cached package archives. Making the General settings page layout HIG-compliant is on my todo.
[02:50] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: are you using git for muon?
[02:50] <shtylman> if not... why not?
[10:02] <markey> hey kubuntu devs
[10:02] <markey> I have a packaging request:
[10:02] <markey> http://git-annex.branchable.com/
[10:02] <markey> this tool seems very useful
[10:02] <markey> (making backups with Git)
[10:44] <\sh> markey: wishlist bug against ubuntu? ;) or bribe harald ;)
[10:46] <markey> I think offering apachelogger a kiss would work best ;)
[10:47] <markey> or, promising Riddell to say something nice about Kubuntu ;)
[10:47] <markey> actually I already did that
[10:47] <markey> so maybe he will be nice :)
[12:45] <sheytan> hey
[12:45] <sheytan> is there a todo for natty already? ;)
[12:47] <Sput> "make it work and make it shiny"?
[12:52] <ulysses> world domination?
[12:54] <al> is udslogger behind this? http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/
[12:55] <nigelb> sheytan: zarro boogs? ;)
[12:55] <nigelb> al: tis not pink :p
[12:56] <al> close enough ;)
[12:57] <ulysses> al: http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/fluffy/
[12:57] <al> yea, that's what i remembered
[12:57] <al> could be the 2nd version ;)
[12:58] <nigelb> The famous, but unfortunately now deserted Hannah Montana Linux also used Kubuntu as a base. We are currently working on some minor disturbances, so that soon you will be able to run an early alpha version of Fluffy already.
[12:58] <nigelb> al: ^^
[13:00] <al> i see :>
[14:11] <udslogger> shadeslayer: http://www.disneyphotopass.com does show a stupid message in rekonq - go do something
[14:12] <udslogger> markey: that reminds me that I still need to snuggle with Riddell
[14:12] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: feel free to release kdi
[14:12] <JontheEchidna> kk
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> I am also tempted to release a first alpha of LibQApt 1.1, so that k-d-i can use the pretty includes :P
[14:13] <udslogger> also
[14:13] <udslogger> http://twitter.com/sil/status/28985698311
[14:13] <udslogger> :D
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> and for that reason alone :P
[14:13] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: that is a perfectly fine reason
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> I think I'll do a release of both over the weekend
[14:14] <udslogger> kool
[14:14] <Riddell> udslogger: the hot tub is just over there
[14:15] <udslogger> Riddell: oh, btw, we need to schedule a hot tub session, somehow ad-hoc hot tubbing does not work out ;)
[14:15] <Riddell> hot tub with irn bru this evening?
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> not much kubuntu things going on today
[14:16] <udslogger> Riddell: sounds, just set a time for it
[14:16] <udslogger> *sounds good
[14:16] <Riddell> three sessions if you include agateau's git one
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> oh? I just saw the natty community one
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> which unfortunately falls right on my only class of the day: http://imgur.com/PE1ax
[14:17] <Riddell> udslogger: I think we should go to universal studios thingy tonight then come back in time for an irn bru session
[14:17] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: you have a really skiving timetable
[14:18] <udslogger> jussi, shadeslayer: photo download is 15 bucks, so please find me when you have a minute, so that we can choose the best one
[14:18] <Riddell> only 8 classes a week?
[14:18] <Riddell> udslogger: ksnapshot is your friend
[14:18]  * JontheEchidna learned a new british slang word today
[14:18] <udslogger> lol
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> in exchange I have a crapton of 3 hour classes
[14:19] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: I have 4 hour classes and yet my schedule is filled up with stuff :P
[14:19] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:20] <shadeslayer> udslogger: where are you?
[14:20] <udslogger> shadeslayer: roundtable
[14:20] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[14:20] <udslogger> though there is no round table
[14:20]  * JontheEchidna gets back to homework
[14:20] <udslogger> or maybe it is not
[14:20] <udslogger> I dunno
[14:20] <udslogger> I just went into some room
[14:21] <udslogger> cause the spying on users session was moved back
[14:21] <shadeslayer> ^ i want to go into that but its clashing with git for bzr stuff
[14:21] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:21] <udslogger> dang
[14:22] <shadeslayer> udslogger ScottK build is still stuck :P
[14:22] <sheytan> Hey
[14:22] <udslogger> yo
[14:22] <sheytan> which package do i need to install to get sporano working with virtuoso?
[14:22] <sheytan> soprano compiled from sources (as well as kde trunk, too)
[14:22] <udslogger> jono wants my hat...
[14:23] <ScottK> shadeslayer: So go hunt someone down.
[14:24] <sheytan> anyone? :D
[14:24] <shadeslayer> ScottK: im sitting with Jorge ... he says, it looks as if its dead
[14:25] <udslogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot82.png or http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot83.png or http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot84.png or http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot85.png
[14:26] <shadeslayer> funny
[14:26] <shadeslayer> udslogger: last one opens in rekonq instead of gwenview
[14:26] <jjesse_> i love the pink
[14:27] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[14:27] <shadeslayer> udslogger: take 83
[14:27] <shadeslayer> i think we should just take one and be done with it....
[14:28] <udslogger> for 15 bucks I want the best one :P
[14:28] <jussi> Im not bothered, whichever you like
[14:37] <Sput> I know the one with the ears and the nose!
[14:37] <Sput> oh wait, it's jussi.
[14:37] <jussi> hahah
[14:37] <jussi> Sput: ScottK has some thing to convey to you with regard to building quassel on android...
[14:38] <Sput> do we have Qt on Android yet?
[14:38] <ScottK> jussi: I forgot the details.  
[14:38] <jussi> Sput: yes
[14:38] <Sput> I'm hearing its getting closer at least
[14:38] <ScottK> Sput: We do, but it's qml only or something.
[14:38] <ScottK> If only there had been less alcohol and more sleep between when we talked to Thiago and now.
[14:38] <shadeslayer> lol ^
[14:39] <jussi> I heard something along the lines of "you have a canvas and you can paint anything on that" or something
[14:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: they killed the build again and are looking into it ...
[14:39] <Sput> ScottK: good thing I have a qml branch on gitorious. which doesn't see any work because I still don't have any device I could build quassel for
[14:39] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Great.
[14:39] <Sput> also, qml was missing... features last time I played with it
[14:40] <Riddell> ScottK: server natty kolab tomorrow at 11:00/16:00 in #ubuntu-uds-curacao12
[14:40] <jussi> Riddell: 1+2
[14:41] <ScottK> Riddell: Looks good.
[14:41] <ScottK> Riddell: I see a different spec in that slot.
[14:41] <Riddell> jussi: you changed it?
[14:42] <shadeslayer> udslogger: your going to... Bonaire 8?
[14:42] <jussi> yeah, its forwarded, so not really a big thing, but still...
[14:42] <udslogger> I am sitting somewhere
[14:42] <udslogger> no clue where
[14:42] <udslogger> ask valorie
[14:42]  * udslogger is clueless here
[14:42] <jussi> bonaire 5
[14:42] <jussi> udslogger: 
[14:43] <udslogger> thank you
[14:43] <udslogger> shadeslayer: I am in bonaire 5 it seems
[14:43] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:43] <udslogger> I am not in the channel
[14:43] <udslogger> omg!
[14:43] <shadeslayer> im just outside bonaire 1
[14:43] <udslogger> I am inside the bonaire5 channel
[14:43] <jussi> our door is open..
[14:44] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:44] <shadeslayer> udslogger: i thought you had to do something?
[14:44] <udslogger> we have an open door policy it seems
[14:44] <shadeslayer> like
[14:44] <udslogger> shadeslayer: like?
[14:44] <shadeslayer> kick something
[14:44] <shadeslayer> or soemone
[14:44] <shadeslayer> *someone
[14:44] <udslogger> I did?
[14:44] <udslogger> *shrug*
[14:44] <shadeslayer> good :P
[14:44] <udslogger> it is windy in here
[14:45] <jjesse> not as windy as in the midwest :)
[14:46] <udslogger> I would not know
[14:47] <jjesse> 30mph winds
[14:47] <jjesse> with gusts up to 50
[14:47] <udslogger> ScottK: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=91110&p=175637&hilit=kubuntu#p175637 thoughts?
[14:47] <udslogger> what i mph? :P
[14:47] <udslogger> "multiple processes, honestly"?
[14:47] <jjesse> 48.28 km/h according to google :)
[14:47] <udslogger> ic
[14:48] <udslogger> jussi: you know it would be very good if the chat clients would use a bigger font setting than default
[14:48] <udslogger> you cannot read soup in the back
[14:49] <jussi> lol
[14:49] <jussi> ahh you mean the projector font?
[14:49] <udslogger> yeah
[14:50] <udslogger> on that note, I think it would be very cool to have kubuntu switch font settings around for screens that are projected
[14:50] <udslogger> like switch to a different konsole profile with bigger fonts and stuff
[14:50] <udslogger> kate too
[14:51] <udslogger> nothing is more annoying than when you are having some talkthing and want to project code and compile that and no one sees anything because the font is not projector appropriate
[14:52] <ScottK> udslogger: Complain to notmart is my idea.
[14:52] <ScottK> Acutally explain the problem and ask him how to troubleshoot it works very well IME.
[14:53] <ScottK> shadeslayer should do it and make sure it works with rekonq too.
[14:53] <udslogger> shadeslayer: go fix bookmarks
[14:53] <udslogger> and where is the manpage
[14:53] <shadeslayer> whu
[14:53] <shadeslayer> whu
[14:53] <udslogger> while I am at it
[14:53] <shadeslayer> what
[14:53] <shadeslayer> wha
[14:53] <shadeslayer> huh?
[14:53] <jussi> lol
[14:53] <ScottK> shadeslayer: See udslogger's last ping to me.
[14:53] <shadeslayer> will do
[14:54] <udslogger> "I avoid Qt apps because once in a while one pulls in most of KDE and all its Phonon garbage. Last thing we need is *another* sound system competing for resources."
[14:54] <udslogger> that is so silly
[15:06] <shadeslayer> udslogger: where are you? your not in bonaire 8!
[15:09] <davidbarth> welcome unity places fans!
[15:09] <shadeslayer> uh
[15:09] <davidbarth> gobby document link: other-dx-n-unity-places-api
[15:09] <shadeslayer> davidbarth: wrong channel? :P
[15:09] <davidbarth> njpatel is presenting slides atm
[15:10] <davidbarth> oops, sorry
[15:10] <shadeslayer> np
[15:12] <ScottK> Riddell: Can we push kolab back again.  There's a spec I submitted next hour that I missed before.
[15:18] <maco> udslogger: do ever use the debugger in kdevelop?
[15:18] <udslogger> I do not use kdevelop
[15:18] <maco> udslogger: and are you wearing mickey's hat from fantasia?
[15:18] <udslogger> kdevelop == ui design fail
[15:18] <udslogger> yes I am
[15:18] <udslogger> ^^
[15:18] <udslogger> also it got lights built in :D
[15:18] <maco> so i guess i wait til after this session to ask agateau how to debug
[15:19] <DarkwingDuck> udslogger: where did you end up at?
[15:19] <maco> or i just ask you how to make the thing print to the terminal when i run it
[15:19] <udslogger> DarkwingDuck: git4bzr users
[15:19] <DarkwingDuck> udslogger: Ah
[15:19] <udslogger> maco: kDebug()
[15:19] <maco> i thought in c++ it was something like..   cout << "stuff to print";    or is it >> cout?  hrmph
[15:19] <udslogger> unless it is Qt only
[15:19] <udslogger> then you go qDebug()
[15:19] <Riddell> ScottK: push kolab back to when?
[15:19] <maco> um ok
[15:19] <udslogger> both are used like qDebug() << "hi there";
[15:20] <udslogger> maco: please note that for qDebug you need to build in debug mode to get output
[15:20] <ScottK> Riddell: Good question.  I'll look into it.
[15:21] <ScottK> Riddell: How about 1500?
[15:23] <udslogger> shadeslayer, jussi, rbelem: I am going to get pic #3 then?
[15:24] <shadeslayer> no problem
[15:24]  * shadeslayer just created a new gpg key
[15:24] <rbelem> udslogger, :-D
[15:25] <udslogger> btw, who has the pluto pic?
[15:25] <shadeslayer> udslogger: just the download is 15 USD?
[15:25] <shadeslayer> udslogger: me
[15:25] <udslogger> yeah
[15:26] <udslogger> shadeslayer: can you ship me the pluto one
[15:26] <shadeslayer> udslogger: ill mail it to you, the cord is back in the room
[15:26] <udslogger> dang
[15:27] <udslogger> come to think of it, I am not sure about the data on my google card ^^
[15:28] <shadeslayer> i have a memory pro 2 stick, so if you can get a card reader
[15:29] <shadeslayer> ScottK: im following this : http://ekaia.org/blog/2009/05/10/creating-new-gpgkey/ , do i need to 'Change Prefrences', 'Set Primary UID' and 'Add subkey for Encryption'
[15:31] <shadeslayer> well.. the blog says skip the add subkey thing
[15:31] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I last made a new key in 2006.  How much do you imagine I recall about it?
[15:31] <shadeslayer> hahaha :P
[15:31] <ScottK> The blog is likely to know more than I do about it.
[15:31] <ScottK> subkeys can be added later.
[15:33] <Riddell> ScottK: that's 20:00 in Scotland, I can check if that's ok with paul
[15:33] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[15:33] <udslogger> shadeslayer: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/avatar/snapshot86.png
[15:33] <udslogger> more bugs
[15:33] <shadeslayer> huh?
[15:35] <udslogger> is that qtwebkit?
[15:37] <udslogger> "Your Disney Digital Download order has been received and is in process. You will be receiving an e-mail when your Photos are ready to be downloaded from your account. "
[15:40] <CIA-96> [trunk] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101028144037-ub2usppvrxom7eae * src/DebugFinder.cpp Whitespace
[15:42] <Riddell> 15:34 < padams> on a friday night after a long week.... very badly.... like i said.... if needs be, we can coordinate at a later time in #kolab or wherever
[15:42] <Riddell> 15:35 < padams> this might not be a bad idea as it will grab more attention form the kolab.org community and not just kolab sys
[15:42] <Riddell> ScottK: ^^
[15:43] <CIA-96> [trunk] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101028144307-sh17dbw5brdeshv1 * src/DebugFinder.cpp compile++
[15:44] <CIA-96> [trunk] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101028144315-j50j01boo1xi08ln * src/DebugInstaller.cpp (log message trimmed)
[15:44] <CIA-96> We don't need to initialize these in the constructor initializer. As a
[15:44] <CIA-96> non-pointer data type, the QStringLists were already initialized globally within
[15:46] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Maybe we should just have a session on wishlist to move forward and then we can coordinate later.  I know enough to write the wishlist.
[15:47] <Riddell> ScottK: ok
[15:49] <CIA-96> [trunk] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101028144804-37u22t9wpwg85qrl * src/ (DebugInstaller.cpp DebugInstaller.h) Oh, those were pointers to QStringLists. They really don't need to be, though. We can pass by reference easily enough to other functions, and otherwise we have to worry about deleting them manually.
[15:56] <CIA-96> [trunk] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101028145639-spk4my5rrxvab3ch * src/ (DebugInstaller.cpp DebugInstaller.h main.cpp) Less heap action
[15:58] <Riddell> ScottK: so move kolab server to 15:00 tomorrow?  (clashes with xorg requirements that you're subscribed to)
[16:37] <udslogger> mgraesslin: http://blog.samat.org/2007/02/18/gpg-public-key-signing-post-party-automation-with-kmail
[16:37] <udslogger> shtylman: mgraesslin's laptop just made noise along his notification
[16:39] <shtylman> ...
[16:44] <maco> udslogger: woo! i got the next dropdown filled properly
[16:45] <maco> Riddell: you have a mobile carrier in the uk called "3"?  
[16:45] <udslogger> yay
[16:45] <Riddell> maco: yes, Hutchison, they're made of money
[16:51] <maco> udslogger: turn around
[16:52] <maco> udslogger: spacer is there now :P
[17:01] <maco> udslogger: ithought matthias was you. whoops
[17:05] <shadeslayer> udslogger: http://pastebin.com/TLKgf4JV
[17:11] <CIA-96> [libqapt] gmartres * 1190699 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/includes/Config Add missing forward include
[17:13] <CIA-96> [muon] gmartres * 1190700 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (6 files in 3 dirs) Use Solid::Networking to disable the "update" and "apply" buttons when the network is down
[17:27] <shadeslayer> udslogger: dude, its not installing man pages
[17:28] <shadeslayer> udslogger: http://pastebin.com/4NGBJSrB
[17:32] <shtylman> Riddell: do you have a list of piratepads for kubuntu sessions?
[17:32] <Riddell> shtylman: in my browser history :)
[17:33] <Riddell> but I've been pasting all the ones to the Proceedings pages
[17:33] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UDSProceedings/N
[17:34] <jjesse> are those kubuntu specific or not?
[17:34] <Riddell> no
[17:34] <Riddell> but most sessions haven't bothered to use them despite jono's pleading
[17:35] <shtylman> Riddell: haha. .. k I will track down the kubuntu ones
[17:36] <maco> Riddell, udslogger: i think its done
[17:39] <maco> oh wait. jussi pointed out i still need to do the country code --> country name mapping + flags for bonus points
[17:39] <maco> ok, all the *functional* *logicy* parts are done
[18:59] <CIA-96> [ubuntu] Alessandro Ghersi <alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org * alessandro-ghersi@kubuntu.org-20101028175949-wxjt0aghzcmif1dq * debian/changelog choqok (0.9.92-0ubuntu1) natty; urgency=low * New upstream release
[19:09] <txwikinger> So we are a downstream project now?
[19:09] <shtylman> heh
[19:09] <shtylman> txwikinger: what do ya mean?
[19:09] <shadeslayer> haha
[19:10] <txwikinger> that was just said in the plenum
[19:10] <shtylman> is that good or bad?
[19:11] <txwikinger> Well. if we are siblings, we should not be a downstream project
[19:11] <shtylman> but we aren't really siblings
[19:11] <jjesse> maybe step brothers?
[19:11]  * txwikinger is just picking words
[19:11] <shtylman> heh
[19:12] <jjesse> same mother different fathers (gnome vs. kde)
[19:12] <jjesse> mother = cannonical
[19:12] <shtylman> haha
[19:14] <\sh> hum?
[19:14] <\sh> downstream project?
[19:17] <maco> QComboBox::setCurrentIndex() is laughing at me right now :(((
[19:22] <markey> udslogger: have you snuggled with Riddell yet?
[19:30] <Riddell> how does this read? http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4346
[19:35] <jjesse> reads fine to me
[19:36] <jjesse> like the title
[19:36] <jjesse> freaked me out a bit :)
[19:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: lol
[19:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i think one of the pics is added twice
[19:36] <shadeslayer> the group photo thingy
[19:37] <maco> Riddell: s/patched/patches/
[19:38] <Riddell> maco: ta, fixed
[19:39] <Riddell> maco: someone wanted you
[19:39] <Riddell> or rather he wanted "someone who knows Washington DC"
[19:39] <maco> um ok? who?
[19:39] <jjesse> batman
[19:39] <Riddell> Indian chap
[19:39] <Riddell> name begins with V
[19:39] <maco> amit?
[19:39] <maco> oh
[19:39] <maco> V? no idea
[19:39] <shadeslayer> maco: vish
[19:40] <shadeslayer> probably
[19:40] <maco> oh vish ok
[19:40] <jjesse> maco where abouts DC world do you live?  next week monday i'll be in beltsville MD, and tuesday/wednesday i'll be in roslyn area
[19:40] <maco> um whats he look like?
[19:40] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://blog.ratonred.com/2010/10/pardus-2011-beta-with-new-pm/
[19:40] <maco> jjesse: i live in arlington, aboiut 2 miles from rosslyn
[19:40] <shadeslayer> maco: you told surbhi about me? :P
[19:40] <maco> shadeslayer: yes
[19:40] <shadeslayer> :)
[19:41] <maco> grrr
[19:41] <maco> Riddell:  where are you? can you look at this code and tell me why .setVisible(true) ISNT SETTING VISIBLE?
[19:41] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: dantti if either of you can implement that, i shall push for having muon/kpk on the CD :>
[19:42] <shadeslayer> maco: feel free to paste code, were not listening :P
[19:43] <Riddell> maco: I'm in the talks
[19:46] <Riddell> maco: if I stare at the tail in the wrong way without my glasses I can justabout see how it could be a greyhound, but not much
[20:00] <shtylman> Riddell: are you going to the LightDM session?
[20:02] <Riddell> shtylman: no but rbelem should
[20:03] <shtylman> k
[20:03] <shtylman> I will as well
[20:03] <shadeslayer> ScottK: dude.... sign my key :P
[20:03] <shtylman> ScottK: don't do it!
[20:03] <shadeslayer> shtylman: notification: I shall strangle you
[20:04] <shadeslayer> :>
[20:04] <shtylman> -.-
[20:22] <freeflying> Riddell, ping
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> all the UDS sessions going on now are boring :(
[20:25] <shtylman> haha
[20:27] <Riddell> hi freeflying 
[20:27] <freeflying> Riddell, are you in any session now?
[20:27] <Riddell> freeflying: yes but nothing important
[20:27] <Riddell> just a random gnome session I thought I'd gatecrash
[20:28] <freeflying> Riddell, do you mind a conversation now? or some other time frame?
[20:28] <Riddell> freeflying: now is fine
[20:29] <ghostcube> o/
[20:29] <freeflying> Riddell, which room are you in?
[20:29] <Riddell> antimony 3
[20:29] <Riddell> are you at UDS?
[20:29] <freeflying> Riddell, yes
[20:30] <udslogger> markey: no, omg
[20:30] <udslogger> Riddell: where are you? we need to snuggle...
[20:31] <markey> udslogger: omg. I made some nice promotion for Kubuntu on the Podcast interview. but only after Riddell had promised to me to snuggle with you...
[20:31] <markey> he'd better keep his promise
[20:31] <udslogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/21766940000.jpg
[20:31] <markey> hah, you are starting to lose hair :) admit it, you have been using OpenSUSE secretly!
[20:32] <\sh> (harald + jonathan + mark) * snuggle == HELP !
[20:32] <udslogger> markey: secretly??? :O
[20:32] <markey> yep
[20:32] <markey> it does that to you
[20:32] <markey> look at Coolo for the end result
[20:32] <markey> (just takes about a year more)
[20:41] <CIA-96> [muon] jmthomas * 1190749 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/MuonMainWindow.cpp I noticed a few crashes when closing muon very quickly after opening it, when things are still loading. As a workaround, don't let the app closed until things are initialized.
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: I do have this, but it doesn't do much more than display packages at the moment: http://imgur.com/kmUHo (install button don't do squat yet)
[20:48] <CIA-96> [muon] jmthomas * 1190752 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/OriginView.cpp Icon update
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> lol
[20:48] <udslogger> :D
[20:48] <udslogger> he asked for it
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> what'd he do?
[20:48] <udslogger> he wanted me kicked
[20:48] <JontheEchidna> the horror!
[20:50] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: it says like one ;)
[20:51] <JontheEchidna> I really just threw that model/view together after I got the delegate working
[20:51] <udslogger> JontheEchidna: it says like one ;) ;)
[20:53] <udslogger> jussi: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:53] <udslogger> jussi: hello hello
[20:54] <udslogger> jussi: hello!!!
[20:54] <udslogger> jussi: http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/21766940000.jpg
[20:54] <udslogger> jussi: hey
[20:54] <udslogger> jussi: dude!
[20:54] <udslogger> jussi: geezer!
[20:54] <udslogger> jussi: ....
[20:54] <udslogger> jussi: HELLO
[20:54] <udslogger> JUSSI!
[20:58] <maco> udslogger: i put in kDebug()'s and it thinks its unchecking
[20:58] <udslogger> just use a proper solution !!!!!!!!!!
[20:58] <udslogger> jussi: hello!!!!
[20:58] <udslogger> jussi: hai!
[20:58] <udslogger> jussi: you there...
[20:59] <udslogger> oh cmon
[20:59] <udslogger> jussi: HALLO~!O!O!Igth][
[20:59] <udslogger> jussi: you cannot just kick me
[20:59] <udslogger> you need to tell me why 
[20:59] <udslogger> and warn me
[20:59] <udslogger> !!!1
[20:59] <udslogger> I will complain to the IDC board!
[21:00] <udslogger> this is outrages
[21:00] <udslogger> ...
[21:00] <\sh> udslogger: how many drinks? ;)
[21:00] <udslogger> \sh: none
[21:01] <\sh> udslogger: unglaublich
[21:01] <shadeslayer> udslogger: :|
[21:01] <udslogger> \sh: yeah ^^
[21:01] <\sh> udslogger: but you are in the states...a lot of koks on the dollar bills ;)
[21:03] <shtylman> \sh: btw.. thank you for the recommendation of puppet last UDS. .. we have been using it with great success
[21:04] <\sh> shtylman: no problem...we do have fun with puppet too :) right now working on multi instance tomcat6 stuff :)
[21:17] <sheytan> udslogger is that a qt tatoo? :D
[21:18] <shadeslayer> sheytan: yeah
[21:18] <sheytan> Cool :D
[21:18] <shadeslayer> Qt on neck
[21:18] <shadeslayer> yeah they have a whole stack
[21:18] <sheytan> i thought about getting one with kubuntu logo ;D
[21:25] <Riddell> hi sheytan, some of the artwork we'd like done this cycle include wiki theme, cdimage page theme, installer slideshow and cd covers.  are you interested in helping with any of that?
[21:32] <sheytan> Riddell i'm interested in all of that :D The problem is i can't promisse i will do all. I don't know how much time will i have :)
[21:32] <sheytan> am looking for a payd job. Need to live :D
[21:32] <shtylman> Riddell: should probly prioritize that list some
[21:32] <Riddell> of course that's the same for everyone
[21:33] <shtylman> sheytan: ;)
[21:33] <maco> Riddell: 'cept you. you get paid to work on foss
[21:33] <shtylman> every time someone says foss I think of floss
[21:33] <sheytan> Riddell a dream job would be to create artwok and get payed. I even looked at such but they want all that adobe stuff, flash and things ;//
[21:34] <Riddell> shtylman: foss and floss are both messy acronyms for the same thing
[21:34] <sheytan> Riddell what is all that about "dropping kde desktop" thing? :D
[21:34] <shtylman> haha
[21:34] <sheytan> do yout want plasma-netbook as default?!
[21:34] <shtylman> plasma netbook sucks
[21:35] <sheytan> yeah, a bit
[21:35] <shtylman> a big bit :)
[21:35] <sheytan> Riddell could you explain? :D
[21:36] <Riddell> sheytan: KDE branding has changed.  the desktop is now called Plasma, KDE is the team of people who make Plasma (and 100 other software projects)
[21:37] <sheytan> Riddell uff, i was afraid you want to develop new desktop shell :D
[21:37] <Riddell> I did add a note at the bottom of my blog to explain that, maybe not everyone has read to the end :)
[21:38] <sheytan> oh yeah, it's there :D
[21:40] <sheytan> Riddell lots of informations from the wiki we include on the new web page. I think this is a way better way to get informations for new users as well as new developers
[21:41] <sheytan> so we can simplify the wiki when creating a new theme ;)
[21:42] <Riddell> sheytan: "the new web page" is the new design you've been working on?
[21:43] <sheytan> Riddell yes. We already have lots code done (ofirk did this job). Now he's busy on the uni
[21:43] <sheytan> so we have a little pause 
[21:43] <Riddell> sheytan: what still needs done?
[21:44] <sheytan> but i'm almost done. The text only needs review if it's all correct. I'll ask my friend to do this ;)
[21:44] <sheytan> Riddell are you on dropbox?
[21:44] <Riddell> nope
[21:45] <sheytan> Riddell http://pastebin.com/PZWKybUE
[21:45] <sheytan> What's besides this left are the video manuals and pdf manuals.
[21:45] <sheytan> the video will be done by me with some text stuff. I've got a dude from Poland helping me with this :D
[21:46] <Riddell> sheytan: we have a docs session tomorrow
[21:46] <Riddell> there's probably overlap there
[21:46] <sheytan> Riddell well, all we need for users are manuals. Devs have techbase.kde.org :D
[21:46] <sheytan> on the page with have info about kubuntu irc channels
[21:46] <sheytan> mailing lists
[21:46] <sheytan> all that stuff
[21:47] <sheytan> we even have developers blog list :D
[21:47] <sheytan> and we're planing to add a microbloggin stuff into the page. let me show you :D
[21:48] <sheytan> Riddell http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/6246/communityblogsmicroblog.jpg :D
[21:49] <sheytan> with some desktop feeling :D
[21:49] <sheytan> i will ask ofir to write a mechanism that will allow new users or developers to request to add their blogs or feeds to the page
[21:50] <Riddell> sheytan: interesting
[21:50] <Riddell> sheytan: on the artwork, I'd really like to see it include elements from the KDE artwork
[21:50] <maco> agateau: you win! a few .blockSignals() sprinkled around fixes it
[21:50] <Riddell> we had lots of comments on the current design that this was appreciated
[21:51] <agateau> maco: great!
[21:51] <Riddell> the circles or other elements from KDE wallpapers
[21:51] <maco> oh wait.. well it got closer
[21:51] <sheytan> Riddell, yeah. Let me show you something :D
[21:52] <sheytan> Riddell it is hard to implement a theme from a wall. It changes ;)
[21:52] <sheytan> But the cricles yes, this is a good idea :)
[21:53] <Riddell> doesn't have to be the full wallpaper (it's a website not a wallpaper we want), just something that links it into the KDE artwork
[21:53] <sheytan> Riddell http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/5245/mockupr.jpg
[21:53] <sheytan> we have almost every thing about kubuntu :D
[21:54] <sheytan> This page will really interest people with content
[21:54] <Riddell> ah hah, a description of activities!
[21:54] <Riddell> I always wondered what those were
[21:55] <sheytan> you see? :D
[21:55] <sheytan> even a hard dev can find info there :D
[21:58] <sheytan> Riddell and this will be our support page http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/6510/support2ne.jpg :D
[22:01] <maco> agateau: ok /now/ i got it.. was missing 1 check in one of those if's
[22:01] <Riddell> sheytan: what are you doing tomorrow at 12:00 Florida time?
[22:02] <sheytan> Riddell what time will be in Poland? :D
[22:02] <sheytan> i hate all this time mess :D
[22:04] <Riddell> sheytan: 18:00
[22:04] <sheytan> Riddell i should be at home ;)
[22:05] <sheytan> have something todo in the city on the morning, t hen i have free :)
[22:05] <Riddell> sheytan: join us for the session in #ubuntu-uds-antigua2 and audio stream http://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/remote/
[22:05] <maco> a Qt guy was just sitting next to me going "you should be using QtCreator!"
[22:07] <sheytan> Riddell i will :)
[22:10] <nixternal> maco: does qtcreator do python yet? I swore I just read that somewhere
[22:12] <Riddell> nixternal: I don't think so
[22:12] <Riddell> maybe you read qt designer?
[22:13] <Riddell> ScottK: ping
[22:13] <Riddell> rbelem: are you in the light dm session?
[22:14] <nixternal> Riddell: yeah, maybe it was designer. i was gonna say, i use qtcreator 2.0.1 and haven't seen python love in it yet
[22:15] <rbelem> Riddell, yup :-)
[22:16] <Riddell> groovy
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> whoa, almost forgot about this session
[22:16] <Riddell> udslogger, maco, shadeslayer, valorie: have you all blogged yet?
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> (l10n)
[22:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer doesn't even have a blog, what decade does he live in?
[22:19] <rbelem> Riddell, mine are rbelem.info and rbelem.blogspot.com :-)
[22:19] <rbelem> i'm planning move everything from rbelem.blogspot.com to rbelem.info
[22:20] <sheytan> rbelem hey, are you a dev or just a user? :D
[22:21] <sheytan> rbelem and i understand that you write about kubuntu, too? :)
[22:21] <udslogger> sheytan: yes I have a cute neck
[22:21] <shadeslayer> :P
[22:23] <rbelem> sheytan, i need to blog more :-(
[22:23] <sheytan> rbelem if you do, we will include you in 'community blogs' in the new shiny web page of Kubuntu :)
[22:23] <rbelem> cool :-D
[22:23] <sheytan> rbelem but as a dev or a user? :)
[22:24] <rbelem> as a dev
[22:24] <sheytan> rbelem, sure, welcome there :D
[22:25] <sheytan> ok guys. /me needs some sleep
[22:25] <sheytan> bye all :)
[22:25] <rbelem> thanks sheytan :-D
[22:25] <sheytan> welcome :)
[22:25] <rbelem> bye
[22:25] <rbelem> have sweet dreams
[22:27] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/v0aQqcpt << whats wrong with that?
[22:41] <CIA-96> [muon] jmthomas * 1190783 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (Application.cpp Application.h) Store the raw .desktop file data as a QByteArray. This reduces RAM usage by ~1.1 MiB, and makes both startup and scrolling of the installer view faster.
[22:55] <dantti> shadeslayer: what's up with the link? What you want is the Application rating?
[22:55] <shadeslayer> that and the whole list of stuff you can see
[22:55] <shadeslayer> the dark effect and stuff
[22:56] <maco> Riddell: blogged what?
[22:56] <Riddell> maco: about UDS!
[22:56] <maco> oh. umm...no
[22:56] <dantti> shadeslayer: well < 0.6.1 the list was pretty similar, but ends up it seems better to use as a standard list
[22:56] <maco> i dont think ive ever blogged about uds...
[22:56] <dantti> shadeslayer: for the app rating it is planned for 0.6.3 but it relies on app-install having that info
[22:57] <shadeslayer> dantti: cant you pull that from popcon ?
[22:57] <dantti> shadeslayer: I can but I need a way to be more cross distro 
[22:57] <shadeslayer> dantti: popcon.foo.bar ?
[22:57] <shadeslayer> or does suse not have popcon ?
[22:58] <dantti> shadeslayer: afaik not all have this data that's why these data need to be in app-install db
[22:58] <dantti> this way when fedora get's app-install suport it will work out of the box
[22:59] <dantti> the weird part is that Kubuntu users of KPK 0.6.2 love it, and Fedora users want the 0.6.1 UI back :P
[23:01] <dantti> about that dark effect I'm no big fan of that, since what I want for newer releases is to reduce the number of dialogs
[23:01] <dantti> and that effect you get for free with modal dialogs
[23:02] <dantti> imo what would be great is a screenshot.ubuntu.com with support for more screenshots per app
[23:02] <dantti> the problem with using debian is that debian stable doesn't look like ubuntu apps