[00:42] I have files with errors in their name (from windows), I'm trying to delete them but I can't. What can I do > [00:42] ? [00:45] New to Linux and (obviously) kubuntu. I'm having a wireless problem. [00:46] My system is "seeing" my wireless adapter, I'm able to "see" wireless networks, but I can't connect. [00:47] I'm trying to connect to a WEP router, and I'm getting as far as authentication, and then everything stalls. [00:47] I'm on kubuntu 10.10 and I updated the network adapter drives to the BC43 drivers earlier today. [00:48] I'm using the default network manager, so I'm assuming that's knetworkmanager. [00:56] davidearney: hello [00:57] EagleScreen: hi [00:57] I supose you have got a Broadcom wifi card [00:57] bcm43xx [00:57] yep [00:58] 4312 to be exact [00:58] what driver do you usually use? b43 or wl, know difference between them? [00:59] I am totally new to linux. this is a first install for me. I downloaded the b43 driver this afternoon. [00:59] davidearney: which Kubuntu version? [00:59] I was able to see wireless networks last night when I installed, but I could not even get as far as I'm getting now. [00:59] 10.10 [01:01] davidearney: there are two alternative drivers to use your card: 'b43': free driver (open source, included in the Linux kernel), but it requires the installaiton of non-free firmware, this sometimes cause problems with some card, overall in the LPHY models [01:02] well, whatever I installed earlier today, it was free. [01:02] LOL [01:02] and the "wl" driver: restricted (non-free), developed by Broadcom, it is not free software but works better in some cards === Mike is now known as Guest43552 [01:03] So, what you're saying is I should download and pay for Broadcom's driver. [01:03] ? [01:03] I'm having a little trouble working with the desktops. I'm new to Kubuntu and might be doing something wrong or not possible. [01:03] davidearney: did you install b43 firmware with "Additional Drivers" assistant? [01:03] Yes. [01:04] johnny77: ?? [01:04] davidearney: non-free does NOT means to pay === root is now known as Guest89469 [01:04] Free Software is the software which source code is open and public [01:04] Oh, you mean proprietary drivers. [01:05] not open source. [01:05] yes, you can use it for free [01:05] exactly [01:07] davidearney: please open a temrinal [01:07] K-Menu -> Applications -> system -> Terminal [01:07] EagleScreen: I'm having trouble getting icons onto the desktop I want. I currently have three and if I hit add to desktop on a menu item it adds it to the second one even though I'm on the third. [01:09] Okay, I'm in Terminal. Sorry, got a phone call there. [01:09] davidearney: type "lspci" and hit enter [01:10] johnny77: I dont fully understand you, could you take a screenshot and pastebin it? [01:10] done.... [01:10] what are you looking for? [01:11] copy the text and paste it here http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ abd share it; i am looking for your model, it is important to know if it is lpphy branch [01:11] It is. [01:12] for instance, do you see 04:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01)? [01:12] I'm lookin at it right now in the last line of the output. [01:12] That's exactly what I see. [01:12] okay then I recommend you the restricted "wl" driver [01:13] davidearney: please open software management [01:13] done [01:13] Applications -> System -> Software Management (Kpackagekit) [01:13] on the search flield, look for "b43" [01:13] and you will see some packages listed [01:14] packages like those: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=b43&searchon=names&suite=maverick§ion=all [01:14] two entries. [01:14] i am trying to use kde and gnome wit the kubuntu 10.10. is there any way to keep the kde programs out of gnome and the other way around? [01:14] which are them? [01:14] b43-fwcutter [01:14] EagleScreen: I have three desktops. If I'm in desktop 3, click application launcher menu, find an application, right click and click "add to desktop" it will put the icon on the second desktop, not the current desktop. [01:14] and firmware-b43-lpphy-installer [01:15] johnny77: my KDE put it on the two Desktops I have [01:15] oh, and both of them have green check marks. [01:16] davidearney: is the last one marked as already installed? [01:16] if that's what the green check marks mean, then yes. [01:16] then you must uninstall both of them [01:17] to install later the wl driver [01:17] Okay..... [01:17] removing them now. [01:18] after you do it, you must search for bcmwl-kernel-source package and install it [01:19] wait.... [01:19] let me get this straight....that driver only supports ad hoc connections...... [01:22] davidearney: the wl driver only support ad hoc connections? where did you find that information? [01:22] sorry [01:23] I am forum searching at the same time as we're talking, and I stumbled upon an erroneous comment. [01:23] wl connects well to routers [01:24] and it is contained in the bcmwl-kernel-source package [01:24] Okay, I'm downloading the package now. [01:24] the Linux STA driver source. [01:25] Okay, that's installed. [01:26] davidearney: it would be useful if you could test this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bcmwl/+bug/666483 [01:26] Launchpad bug 666483 in bcmwl (Ubuntu) "wl module is not loaded at boot up" [Undecided,New] [01:26] read that bug report please [01:28] read it...not that I know what I'm looking at....again, new to Linux. [01:29] but I'm assuming that I need to run sudo modprobe wl to get my card working? [01:30] yes davidearneyyou must run it on the terminal [01:30] but dont worry, there is a workaround to avoid having to do it each time you boot up [01:30] just ran it.... [01:30] but.... [01:31] davidearney: listen.. [01:31] listening. [01:31] the firmware of your old b43 driver is probably still loaded inside the card,a nd it wont work with wl driver until the old firmware dissapear [01:32] to erase the old firmware you must shutdown and turn your computer off, you must completly turn off your computer and disconect it from the power suplly for at least 10 second [01:32] if you're worrying about me having to reboot....I'm on IRC here on my Mac, and the ubuntu machine is sitting beside me. [01:32] do you understand? [01:33] yep. Do that all the time. I'm a Windoze IT guy. [01:33] trying to change my evil ways. [01:33] rebooting now. [01:33] okay [01:33] disconect electric source for at least 10 seconds [01:34] then boot Kubuntu up and check the conenction [01:34] that would be the battery, in this case. [01:35] please first check it before running "sudo modprobe wl" [01:35] roger that. [01:35] I want to see if all users are affected by that bug [01:35] you might not be affected [01:36] you a Linux ddev? [01:36] dev* [01:36] not exactly [01:37] but i have tried to maintain some packages in Debian [01:37] ahhhh [01:37] well, just as an FYI. [01:37] submitted some patches to Kubuntu bugs [01:37] This machine is dual boot W7 and kUbuntu [01:38] I think the Windows driver and the wl driver share the same firmware, so you shouldn't have problems [01:39] davidearney: what happens with that driver? [01:39] Right now, the interface just prompted me for the passphrase..... [01:40] which it was doing before. [01:40] No IP Address, stuck at "Configuring interface" [01:40] and the driver is listed as "wl" [01:41] davidearney: click on manage connections, see wireless connections recordered, remove yours, apply, accept and try to connect again [01:43] done [01:43] did it connect property? [01:44] Stuck on "Setting IP Address....wait....just switched to Waiting for Auth, and is prompting me for the passphrase or Hex key again. [01:45] davidearney: you might be entering the code wrongly, or just choosing a wrong encryption type [01:46] if your password is WEP, be sure you choose the right option (128 bits OR 40/64 bits) [01:46] I have WiFiFoFum on my iPhone...which gave me all the properties that I needed for the connection. [01:46] let me retry.... [01:47] if you password is 10 characters from 0 to 9 and from A to F then you use a 64 bits WEP [01:47] Oh, my god === john-charles is now known as gkffcks [01:47] whoever set up this WEP connection is a terrible person. [01:47] why? [01:48] not only is it just 64-bit...but it's just a simple 10-digit number. [01:48] I was defaulting to 128, because I thought that might be a "little" bit better choice when they set it up 5 years ago. [01:49] by the way....I'm at my grandfather's house. Living with him for a while so I can take care of him after a hospital stay.....I'm not changing anything on his network, but I should. [01:49] if the key is not the router's default, it is not easy to discover or to crack it [01:50] then did you connect? [01:50] I just did....thanks to you. [01:50] wow.. good to hear [01:51] so I understand that you aren't affected by the LP: #666483 Bug [01:51] you, Sir, are a god. [01:51] I would have to agree with that assesment. [01:51] I can let you know more about my system if you would like. [01:51] okay, useful to know [01:51] maybe dump my lspci somewhere? [01:53] du you install from final 10.10 release CD? [01:53] Basically, yes. I downloaded the latest 10.10 iso === thiago is now known as Guest13870 [01:55] okay [01:56] EagleScreen: I really appreciate your assistance. Really [01:56] thanks, you are welcome [01:57] just enjoy Linux, and share it [01:57] I will. I'm actually going to do thematic posts on my blog and twitter about my progress with Linux. [01:58] EagleScreen: I just have one more basic question. [01:58] feel free to ask them [01:58] I ran across some install instructions earlier today and part of the instructions were to su into root [01:59] I attempted to do this in terminal and was prompted for a password. [01:59] I used my admin password and still got told I didn't have the appropriate rights. [01:59] I haven't set any other passwords I'm aware of...so I'm not sure what's wrong there. [01:59] so that manual wasn't made for Ubuntu, lol [02:00] Okay, but it was under the ubuntu install instructions for OpenOffice. [02:00] always, first try to look for packages for applications in Kpackagekit tool or on Launchpad PPA's repositories [02:00] I know there is MOST of OO in kubuntu, but not all of OO if I am looking in the right places. [02:01] Okay [02:01] can do [02:01] in Ubuntu you must use "sudo su" to become root [02:01] ahhhhh [02:01] that would explain that. [02:02] or just run any command preceded by sudo [02:02] SUper-userDO === root is now known as Guest88359 [02:04] and I don't have a problem using kpackagekit until I get more advanced as a user. [02:05] another nice tool for installing and uninstalling packages is "moun" it is just another package manager, I prefer it [02:05] EagleScreen: except for gui apps, those get gtksu or kdesudo [02:05] does launchpad have an installer like the kpackagekit? [02:06] launchpad repositories can be added to your system and then you will see the packages in that repository in the package manager you use [02:06] but each project or team has their own repository [02:06] ah, okay. [02:06] and I'm sure.....instructions on how to add them to your system? [02:07] two ways: by command line or by "graphical interface" [02:07] choose one [02:07] okay === contrast83 is now known as contrast [02:08] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu#Managing Repositories in Kubuntu (version 9.04 - Jaunty Jackalope and later) [02:08] nice link [02:08] err https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu [02:10] tho I do need to update it a bit for Maverick, as kpackagekit looks a little different there [02:10] claydoh: sweet! thanks. [02:11] EagleScreen: Thanks again. You were a great help [02:11] Glad you're so familiar with the Broadcom problem. [02:13] yes i am because I have got one [02:14] laters all. [02:59] When I am in the application launcher menu, right click on an application and pick "add to desktop" it always puts it on my second desktop doesn't matter which desktop is current. === root is now known as Guest39165 === dave is now known as Guest28869 [03:16] Not trying to spam, but I had to reboot can anyone help me? [03:20] I don't know what happened, but I think my KDE is totally screwed up. [03:32] When I am in the application launcher menu, right click on an application and pick "add to desktop" it always puts it on my second desktop doesn't matter which desktop is current. [03:53] gotta admit...so far I'm liking Linux quite a bit. === peter_ is now known as NotQ === peter_ is now known as NotQ [05:02] The battery monitor widget no longer has a "CPU Policy" section when editing profiles, just an "Enable system powersaving" tickbox. How do I get the former back? [05:03] In 10.10, I should add. [05:03] (and yes, I have acpi enabled and working, and can use eg. 'cpufreq-set' to change the cpu frequency, so it's working on the baser levels) [05:07] chemtail: i have this complaint as well. seems this option has been removed... no idea why [05:07] meh. [05:07] chemtail: chemtailby far not my only complaint about maverick [05:08] well, it fixed a few problems for me, added a few others .. my usual experience :p [05:08] I've just noticed that the cooling fan is speeding up a lot more often after my upgrade to 10.10 [05:09] Then again, it's running non-stop once the CPU goes above 45 degrees Celcius anyway, and that goes for any distro I've ever run this laptop with (Acer Aspire 5738zg) [05:09] chemtail: yes, that is how it goes... very dependent upon what hardware one has. however, have to constantly deal with regressions with each upgrade can be discouraging [05:10] chemtail: with these CPU frequency-scaling settings, i have to wonder whether or not this is a KDE issue, or a kubuntu packaging issue [05:11] I'm guessing it's the battery monitor expecting some cmdline utility to do the actual controlling which it can't find. [05:11] chemtail: i have a dell inspiron e1505 laptop, and kubuntu 10.10 runs terribly on it, between the horrid intel mobile graphics performance, and this CPU freq issue [05:13] I thought Intel gave out open source drivers for those things, would expect the performance to be about as good as it can get for a low-end gpu. [05:14] chemtail: with 10.10, MAJOR regressions appeared [05:15] i am planning to either re-install 10.04(.1) on this laptop, or else go with fedora 14 (providing it does not have this same problem) [05:15] Considering how some things improved and others stopped working, I'm just gonna do what I always do when I can't solve it in a few hours. [05:16] Sit back and wait for the laptop to grow old enough that all the issues are fixed. [05:17] chemtail: i dunno, i would have thought that at 4 years old, this lappy was already well-seasoned... i actually retrieved this laptop froma trash pile [05:17] o.O [05:17] ok, that's a little disappointing then [05:18] i pulled 2 laptops out of a recycle pile at the small college where i work in as many days [05:19] free hardware.! [05:19] i like making servers from old laptops [05:19] they fit in my closet [05:19] yep. i am not the type that usually wins anything, but i hit the jackpot during that E-waste drive [05:19] heh [05:20] chemtail: i had thought about doing just that! i am wanting to set up a web-server in my apartment.... i was not sure how well a laptop would stand up to always being on, etc. [05:20] so, today, i finally ordered a bare-bones "mini-top" from newegg... for $210 [05:21] in my experience it's mainly about how much dust it gathers and whether or not it's on the floor or some other relatively cool area. [05:22] have an old 1.2Ghz doing various duties that's on 24/7 all year [05:22] well, i think this mini-top will do the trick... plus serve as an HTPC.... AT $200, i am really impressed with the specs [05:22] chemtail: that is awesome [05:22] i've only ever seen one die from such at a friend's place, after running in a smoke-filled room for a year [05:25] i have a desire to switch entirely to low-wattage systems, over time [05:27] nothing beats an old laptop for a cheap server, imo. built-in keyboard, mouse and monitor for fixing and debugging, usually runs quiet, small and easy to move, built-in UPS .. [05:27] and, as you mentioned, low on power consumption by design [05:29] yes, i like the idea a lot, and have seen where others have used laptops as servers in areas where low energy consumption was essential [05:36] very strange, my router/WAP just went down === borja_ is now known as zito [05:58] -j pontevedra_joven [05:58] #pontevedra_joven === jorn is now known as Guest67503 === Mike is now known as Guest68353 === nixternal_ is now known as nixternal [06:42] is there a repository for 'w32codecs' ? [06:45] !medibuntu [06:45] medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org [06:45] Ok. [06:45] RadSurfer: /home/nixternal/Downloads/jfmtt.png [06:45] err [06:45] that won't work :) [06:46] hehe [06:46] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu <- but that will [06:47] w32codecs_20071007-0medibuntu2.1_i386.deb 14M apparently :-) [06:49] w32codecs depends on libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1); however: Package libstdc++5 is not installed. [06:49] well, thats no good! [06:50] what do I do now? [06:51] I package contains 'libstdc++5' ? [06:54] Ok. wonder if this works now [07:01] !find libstdc++5 [07:01] File libstdc++5 found in libstdc++5 === muzer is now known as MuzerAway === root is now known as Guest47874 [08:14] hello [08:15] I'm trying to boot from a pen drive. I get the splash screen, but it never moves beyond that. When I switch to the VTs, there are blank. I'm thinking of trying one of the boot options to see if that helps. Does anyone have any suggestions? [08:18] hmmm I tried all the options and it worked, apparently [08:18] lol [08:25] ctrl+alt+F2 login and startx may allso work from that point. === chronos is now known as Therio === Therio is now known as chronos__ === chronos__ is now known as chronos === chronos is now known as Therio === laptop is now known as Guest38557 === albatros is now known as Birdwalker [10:57] anyone know how to get networkmanager to connect with vpnc? I got it to configure it, and it appears in the task bar thingy, but there is no connect button or anything [11:54] If you have it configured allready try just "/etc/init.d/networking restart" and see what happens [11:55] bionegative: I havent check connect automatically, because I don't want that [11:57] is it up in "ifconfig" [11:58] i have had simillar problem but restarting network worked for me. [12:22] i am not able to connect my nokia phone to my computer using bluedevil [12:26] hi, sound is not working on kde it says "The audio playback device HDA Intel (CONEXANT Analog) does not work", this is the default device i used, and it used to work before, but i switched the default device for hdmi output, and when i switched back it didn't work [12:29] edon: did you restart after that [12:29] phoenix_: yes [12:29] edon: did it aked you to remove the device? [12:29] edon: did it asked you to remove the device? [12:30] phoenix_: yes it did, i said no [12:30] edon: did you change any bios settings, like "disable onboard audio"? [12:31] phoenix_: no, it works well with mplayer and firefox, just not in amarok and whatever uses phonon i guess [12:32] edon: Have you checked the devices set to receive output in System Settings/Multimedia/Phonon? [12:33] DarthFrog: yes, the default one (which i used to use) is disabled now, it's grey [12:33] even though it's the default one [12:33] edon: is your device visible in the phonon output devices [12:34] phoenix_: yes, but it says this device is currently not available [12:35] Is Pulseaudio set to be the active device? === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [12:37] DarthFrog: how do you set that? I use Xine as a backend on phonon [12:37] Not there. In the output device section. [12:38] Xine or gstreamer, should make no difference. [12:39] DarthFrog: there is one device with the name Playback/recording through pulseaudio sound server, it's the last option to use, and it is active [12:39] Bingo. [12:39] You need to configure Pulseaudio, I believe. Well, I had to, and it's still working for me. :-) YMMV. [12:40] Try this: "sudo apt-get install pavumeter paman padevchooser paprefs" Then run padevchooser, which will put an applet in your System Tray. Use that to configure Pulseaudio. [12:41] ee [12:41] co ai o day ko [12:41] answer me plz [12:41] DarthFrog: ok i will try that, thanks [12:41] edon: Good luck. Let us know how it works. [12:42] who are you [12:42] and what is this programe for :) [12:42] just chatting or st else ? [12:42] !kubuntu | viet [12:42] viet: kubuntu is Ubuntu with the KDE Software Compilation instead of !Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support join #kubuntu - See also !kde [12:43] viet: If you want to chat, go to #kubuntu-offtopic [12:43] you are user or helpdesk ? [12:44] Everybody here is a user. [12:44] :) [12:44] thanks :D [12:45] i have a problem with WINE [12:45] when i click on Browse in C: [12:45] viet: You might get the help you need in #wine. [12:45] i am not able to connect my nokia phone to my computer using bluedevil, can any one help me [12:46] yes [12:46] viet, try #winehq [12:46] ok [12:46] thanks [12:50] DarthFrog: i just made that device the default one and it seems to be working, thanks for all the help [12:50] edon: Glad to hear it. Glad I was able to help. [12:51] * DarthFrog thinks that those packages should be installed by default and padevchooser run by default, if PulseAudio is going to be the default sound server on Kubuntu. [12:52] Sound in Linux is a mess, a real dog's breakfast. [12:55] how can i install sound in kubuntu :| [12:55] no sound for music :-s [12:56] anyone can help, plz ? [12:58] hi guys. I have ubuntu + kubuntu-desktop, but using the KDM session all the time. When I have a dual monitor, and the second monitor is a bit bigger, and I click on the "empty space" under the smaller monitor, I loose the kdm desktop and have the gdm desktop instead, with the wallpaper I've installed on my ubuntu. Any suggestions, please? [13:01] Umm, don't do that? [13:33] DarthFrog: well, not on purpose of course =) [13:33] Hi people [13:35] anybody know why mp4 video play very slowly in ubuntu 10.10 [13:38] I'm having trouble with the virtual desktops. No matter which desktop is current, if I click "add to desktop" from the application launcher menu it puts the icon in the same desktop. [13:42] Hey folks [13:43] Hide the cheese! BluesKaj is here! [13:43] :-) [13:44] hi all, something severe crashed my kubuntu; what is the default panel software for kubuntu? [13:44] havarti ftw ...hi DarthFrog :) [13:44] hsquared, plasma [13:45] thanks, I'll check if this is installed [13:46] then xfce4 stuff is not wanted [13:46] hsquared, rifgt click on the desktop/add panel [13:46] xfce isn't kubuntu [13:47] I found plenty of those "recover my taskbar" faq entries, but the problem seems togo deeper [13:47] Xfce4 is Xubuntu. [13:47] kubuntu is kde desktop [13:47] right click unfortunatelly does not work any more :-/ [13:48] it won't help on xfce, hsquared ...ask in #xubuntu [13:48] Xubuntu has its own charms. I like it on low-powered systems, esp. laptops. [13:48] is there a way to force reinstall plasma with it's default options? [13:49] I can't even start "plasma-desktop from Alt+F2" [13:49] sorry " went wrong [13:50] ah, plasma is not installed :-) [13:50] I'll try that [13:50] hsquared, we assumed you have kde desktop..pls join #xubuntu for your solution [13:51] well, one day I had kubuntu installed and I want my KDE back [13:51] so, plasma was the right way, yep? [13:52] hsquared: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" [13:52] I tried sudo apt-get install plasma-desktop [13:53] * BluesKaj shakes his head [13:53] and startet plasma-desktop [13:53] that worked [13:53] DarthFrog: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" will reinstall kubuntu completely? [13:54] re-install? No. Install, yes, if it's not already there. [13:54] It's a meta-package that will gather in dependencies. [13:55] o.k., understand that [13:56] the install once was a Kubuntu 9.04 from a CD, so KDE of course [13:56] then went to 9.10 and today to 10.04 LTS [13:56] that should be fine for a while [13:57] how plasma was lost ... better don't ask [13:57] !enter [13:57] Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [13:57] hsquared: How about this: "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade". All on one line. [13:57] well, it's back, and looks good. Thanks for your help. [13:58] DarthFrog: that would take me to 10.10, right? I think 10.04 is fine for the moment. [13:59] hs noaXess that will upgrade your desktop , to upgrade to 10.10 the command is sudo do-release-upgrade [13:59] oops hsquared [14:00] BluesKaj: hey.. :)... [14:00] hsquared: No, that will simply bring your 10.04 system up to date. [14:00] hi , srry i mistyped the tab [14:00] BluesKaj: no prob... you wanted to just bring me away from business ;).. [14:00] DarthFrog: thank you, I'll try that then. [14:00] I have three desktops, and if I click "add to desktop" in the application launcher menu it always adds it to desktop 2, not the current desktop. Anyone help? [14:01] aha, noaXess ..time for a break, anyway :) [14:01] BluesKaj: espresso ;).. enjoy [14:04] !botsnack [14:04] Yum! Err, I mean, APT! [14:05] LOL [14:06] o.k. guys, I say a big thank you, you brought a lot of relief with a few lines of commands, thanks! === petr is now known as Guest34103 [14:24] Ive been using NIS for login for several years now. I always have problems with yppasswdd not running on the NIS Master. I am considering switching to LDAP . Anyone know a good how to for a noob to set up ldap? Im using 10.04 both server and clients [14:29] *JuJuBee -> http://www.opinsys.fi/en/setting-up-openldap-on-ubuntu-10-04-lucid-part2 === root is now known as Guest83638 [14:58] I'm running maverick on our media server pc , and for some reason if I open a file with kate in the run command the fonts on the the toolbar are very small ( the monitor is a 42" plasma tv). However if I open saved and edited text files in kate the toolbar fonts set to the settings in /system settings / application appearance [15:19] ht === dario is now known as clark === nuno__ is now known as slug === luis__lopez is now known as luis_lopez [16:32] hi, how i can make kde start w/ desktop effects by default... i always have to over ride it with alt+shift+f12 [16:32] also my apps always open slow initially ... and i have a quick computer. this is unrelated to kde but i am curious if something might be up with localhost or something and that's why they open slowly [17:06] this is a dead channel [17:07] hee [17:08] I think it has to do with noise vs signal [17:08] being the default channel for quassel [17:08] that means lots of people who are neophytes parking here [17:09] and then the vast number of diconnects making it difficult to hold a conversation [17:09] quassel should have set the default to #quassel [17:09] but then they'd be swamped there :-) [17:10] it is nice to try to help people learn about IRC but pre-configuring an IRC client isn't that helpful [17:10] I do like the irc://irc.freenode.net/kubuntu protocol option [17:11] if you could extend that to also configure the standard requirements of a connection I think we'd have this problem solved [17:13] of course, by the time you see this it will have scrolled off the end of your buffer due to the timeouts [17:13] and we'll be back to dead channel state again [17:27] how to find out size of file? [17:29] ls -al file [17:30] but easier? [17:31] ok [17:31] it is acceptable [17:31] ls -alh may be better [17:32]