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Lex79cjwatson: can you add in kubuntu set of packages koffice-l10n and kde-l10n-* ? also, it doesn't make sense have language-pack-kde-* (they are signed by  automatic language-pack builder) it make sense have kde-l10n-*. Thanks00:43
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cjwatsonLex79: please mail me about it, I'll need to figure out how to add wildcard exceptions.  (also I don't think it's worth putting in effort to actively remove language-pack-kde-*)03:37
Lex79cjwatson: ok03:40
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gaspasomeone knows if there 's a tag for bugs about  fail to build with gold linker?09:12
tumbleweedgaspa: such bugs are tagged in debian (see the natty open announcement email)09:34
gaspatumbleweed: but in debian they still build, often09:35
gaspa(anyway, let's see..:P)09:35
tumbleweedyeah, but someone has been running rebuilds with gold09:35
gaspatumbleweed: well, i'd like to see some diff to see the fixes...09:36
tumbleweedI don't know of a tag on the ubuntu side. There's a wiki page with a list of the early fixes, but I don't think people are updating it.09:37
gaspatumbleweed: link?09:39
tumbleweedhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/RobSavoye/GoldFixes09:40
gaspatumbleweed: thanks  alot09:40
tumbleweedyeah, I don't see that many people forwarding patches to debian for this... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=no-add-needed;users=peter.fritzsche@gmx.de09:42
gaspatumbleweed: ever faced things like «unrecognized option '-Bsymbolic-functions;-Wl'»09:59
gaspa?09:59
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tumbleweedgaspa: haven't seen that10:17
gaspatumbleweed: pity, thanks ;)10:18
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jemaduxi am not a devel , but i want to know... in natty will have uninity instead of gnone ?12:49
sebnerjemadux: du mean unity instead of gnome-shell?!12:49
jemaduxyes this i mean12:50
sebnerjemadux: gnome-shell != gnome, it's just a part of it but the answer is yes12:50
jemaduxgnome shell == part of gnome 3 ?12:54
Oli```Hey does anybody know what state a window has to be to be able to overlay the panel?12:55
sebnerjemadux: jes12:56
sebner*yes12:56
jemaduxok :)12:57
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jemaduxunity is a fork of gnome shell ?13:14
StevenKIt is not13:15
jemaduxand why dont make a version of ubuntu called unibuntu ? and leave to 11.04 with gnome-shell ? :p13:21
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om26ercan anyone please sponser bug 636161 ? (upstream recommended)(sru approved)13:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 636161 in gexiv2 (Ubuntu) "shotwell crashed with SIGSEGV in gexiv2_metadata_get_orientation()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63616113:55
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Riddellttx: server natty kolab rescheduled for tomorrow at 11:00/16:00 in #ubuntu-uds-curacao12, if one/some of your people could be there that would be lovely14:42
* ttx looks14:43
ttxzul_: do you think you can go ? I need to be in the automated testing / Hudson one14:44
zul_sure14:44
ttxzul_: or find someone else more interested than you are :)14:44
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macokees: that ptrace change that breaks debuggers in 10.10... emails say to put 0 in /proc/sys/kernel/ptrace_scope but when i try to echo | tee it tells me that file doesn't exist. how do i debug?15:12
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keesmaco: where did you find that path documented? (it's the old path)15:13
cjwatsonmaco: cjwatson15:13
cjwatsonerr?15:13
cjwatsonmaco: /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope15:14
* cjwatson is not a kernel configuration path15:14
keesmaco: the correct path ... what cjwatson said faster than me :)15:14
macokees: i was grepping emails15:14
macocjwatson: thanks15:14
keesmaco: ah-ha, okay. it was discovered that gdb lost the "education" patch it had -- I actually just uploaded the fix for that to proposed15:15
keesmaco: but the release notes and things hsould have it updated.15:15
tseliotpitti: ping15:24
pittitseliot: pong15:24
tseliotpitti: can we talk a bit about jockey some time today?15:25
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pittitseliot: I'd have time today at 12:0015:25
pittitseliot: my afternoon is full already15:27
nemohm. ok. I disabled all my cronjobs that use gconf, and Xorg is no longer steadily sucking up memory.15:28
tseliotpitti: great, shall we meet at the front desk (where Michelle and Marianna are) by then?15:28
* nemo searches for known related bugs15:28
nemos/gconf/dbus/15:28
pittitseliot: yes, sounds good15:28
tseliotpitti: ok, I'll see you there then15:30
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m_101hi!15:44
m_101i found weird behavior with Unity interface15:44
m_101:(15:44
m_101Unity kind of "restart" when i change tabs in Kile15:45
svwilliamshas anyone had the issue with Unity that if you hibernate the images on the bar to the left become white blocks?15:56
svwilliamswhen you return15:57
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hrw|udshi16:13
hrw|udssomeone remember which kernel version does ubuntu udev require?16:14
ebroderhrw|uds: udev generally requires a kernel *at least as new* as was released with that version of ubuntu16:14
hrw|udsebroder: sure, but I have a board which has 2.6.31 only so far and we want to get buntu working on it with this version16:15
ebroderhrw|uds: Then you probably either need to look at karmic (or at least karmic's udev) or be prepared for some potential pain16:15
rhysdid anyone ever notice that http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/gnuplot-nox package pulls in a ton of X11 libraries?16:37
rhysits not actually "nox"16:37
geserwhich ones? I don't see any X package in depends for that package16:43
ChogyDangeser: maybe it is groff16:53
rhysIts groff16:55
rhyshttp://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/groff16:56
rhysthose pull in alot more16:56
rhysis there a flag to apt/dpkg to shut off installing "recommended"16:56
rhys?16:56
psusi--no-install-recommends16:56
ebroderor --without-recommends if you're using aptitude17:03
\shrhys: in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99norecommends paste the following:http://paste.ubuntu.com/521508/17:03
\shdunno if aptitude respects apt configurations17:04
ebroder\sh: It should17:04
\shebroder: I try to avoid aptitude ;)17:04
ebroder\sh: I'm less opinionated about it than I used to be now that apt-get's resolver got better17:05
rhysinteresting17:06
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rhysshould groff be suggested and not recommended?17:11
\shrhys: depends?17:13
\shrhys: which packages17:13
\shs/s$//17:13
rhys\sh, for the "gnuplot-nox" package17:14
rhysi am not familiar with the policy on what recommends should be17:14
rhysit just seems strange to me that "apt-get install gnuplot-nox" gets "groff" which gets a bunch of X11 libraries.17:15
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\shWell, recommends only says (as I interpretate it), that it will install additional packages which will give the app in the to be install package more functionality...which is for desktop ok, regarding a server, I would always go without recommends...17:17
micahgI thought recommends is for packages that would be used with the package in most scenarios17:20
\shmicahg: well, they are not "Essential" for the functionality...but gives eventually more functionallity...well, on servers I always deploy apt without recommends installation...especially on vmware machines, with openvm-tools...17:25
micahg\sh: right, essential is depends17:25
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rhysah. right17:28
\shmicahg: when zf 1.11 is out and reaching natty..you get again some work ;)17:31
micahg\sh: heh, no problem, maybe I'll be MOTU by then and we can backport officially :)17:31
\shmicahg: I thought you wanted to be motu at the end of UDS?17:33
micahg\sh: yes, but we'll see17:33
\shmicahg: good luck :)17:37
micahg\sh: thansk17:37
micahg*thanks17:37
Keybukkees: I saw this http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RemoveSETUID and thought of you17:37
keesKeybuk: yup. Debian and Ubuntu need to support fscaps first. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/FilesystemCapabilties17:40
keesKeybuk: Fedora is just bringing this idea back up because of the recent libc vulnerabilities17:40
Keybukindeed17:40
keeswhich isn't very helpful because at least something will still have CAP_SYS_ADMIN, and that's virtually everything anyway. :P17:42
ebroderAre they going to drop sudo or something?17:43
ebroderPush everything through PolKit?17:43
keesebroder: the ultimate goal has always been to get rid of sudo in favor of PolKit, yeah.17:44
Keybukkees: ah, I remember this - we can't do fscaps because we use squashfs for the live cd17:46
ebroderKeybuk: Doesn't squashfs have xattr support?17:46
ebroder(at least in theory)17:47
Keybuksquashfs barely has permissions support ;-)17:47
Keybukin fact, we're lucky it does directories17:47
cody-somervillelol17:47
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bmmI've got a python package with a setup.py which defines "entry_points" containing "console_scripts", which easy install will create into a file in the bin directory but cdbs does not seem to understand that.19:50
bmmAny tips, do I need to symlink, patch, or is there a way to configure cdbs to understand that?19:51
ebroderbmm: What does cdbs need to understand about that?19:55
ebroderIf you're using the python-distutils.mk class, it should run (something like) setup.py install, which will install the script into (something like) $(DESTDIR)$(PREFIX)/bin, in which case everything will be fine19:56
bmmebroder: ok, I'll have to check again then..19:59
bmmebroder: Ok, it's not working yet, but I'm to tired to finish it today. I'll have a look at it tomorrow or something. Thanks for the response!20:04
ebroderbmm: Hmm...it's possible that cdbs is passing some weird argument that keeps the setup.py script from creating the script (like --one-version-centrally-managed or whatever that argument is called)20:05
bmmebroder: I'll write that down for tomorrow :)20:09
ebroderHmm...I can't magically build a URL for ".dsc file of the current version of <package> in <release>", right? I have to hit the API?20:19
dholbachebroder, apt-get source? :-)20:20
ebroderdholbach: For arbitrary values of <release> :)20:20
dholbachebroder, -t :)20:20
ebroderThet let's me pull from different pockets but not, say, get a maverick source package on a lucid machine20:21
dholbachchdist might be easier20:21
ebroderwhoa...20:23
ebroderNever seen that before20:23
ebroderAlthough I still don't think that actually solves this particular problem; I'll just use the API20:23
dholbachebroder, what exactly are you trying to do? just get a source package from a different release?20:24
ebroderI'm trying to write a script that does that. (This is eventually going to be for backports testing)20:24
geserebroder: something like "pull-lp-source" in u-d-t?20:25
dholbachebroder, to me chdist looks like a good idea for using that :)20:25
ebrodergeser: Uh...yeah. Something exactly like pull-lp-source :-P20:26
ebroderThanks for that20:26
micahgstgraber: are you interested in merging pidgin?20:29
stgrabermicahg: not really20:29
micahgstgraber: ok, thanks20:29
* micahg will prepare a merge later20:29
stgrabermicahg: I just happen to be the last uploader because a colleague of mine needed a patch from upstream to be applied to our package. Latest upstream should have it so this delta can be dropped.20:30
micahgstgraber: right, I figured as much, but wanted to ask anyways20:30
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Riddellskaet: ping20:46
skaetRiddell: hi20:46
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slangasekogra_ac: since you appear to be able to reproduce bug #652035, can you confirm the fix for SRU verification?22:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 652035 in alsa-lib (Ubuntu Maverick) "libasound2 not finding usb sound card" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65203522:45
* ogra_ac checks which one that is22:46
ogra_acslangasek, comment 11 isnt enough ?22:46
slangasekogra_ac: if you can confirm that the fix crimsun uploaded to his ppa is identical to the one that was in the SRU queue?22:51
ogra_acslangasek, already done22:51
ogra_aci commented22:51
slangasekogra_ac: ok, thanks!22:53
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