[00:43] <Lex79> cjwatson: can you add in kubuntu set of packages koffice-l10n and kde-l10n-* ? also, it doesn't make sense have language-pack-kde-* (they are signed by  automatic language-pack builder) it make sense have kde-l10n-*. Thanks
[03:37] <cjwatson> Lex79: please mail me about it, I'll need to figure out how to add wildcard exceptions.  (also I don't think it's worth putting in effort to actively remove language-pack-kde-*)
[03:40] <Lex79> cjwatson: ok
[09:12] <gaspa> someone knows if there 's a tag for bugs about  fail to build with gold linker?
[09:34] <tumbleweed> gaspa: such bugs are tagged in debian (see the natty open announcement email)
[09:35] <gaspa> tumbleweed: but in debian they still build, often
[09:35] <gaspa> (anyway, let's see..:P)
[09:35] <tumbleweed> yeah, but someone has been running rebuilds with gold
[09:36] <gaspa> tumbleweed: well, i'd like to see some diff to see the fixes...
[09:37] <tumbleweed> I don't know of a tag on the ubuntu side. There's a wiki page with a list of the early fixes, but I don't think people are updating it.
[09:39] <gaspa> tumbleweed: link?
[09:40] <tumbleweed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RobSavoye/GoldFixes
[09:40] <gaspa> tumbleweed: thanks  alot
[09:42] <tumbleweed> yeah, I don't see that many people forwarding patches to debian for this... http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=no-add-needed;users=peter.fritzsche@gmx.de
[09:59] <gaspa> tumbleweed: ever faced things like «unrecognized option '-Bsymbolic-functions;-Wl'»
[09:59] <gaspa> ?
[10:17] <tumbleweed> gaspa: haven't seen that
[10:18] <gaspa> tumbleweed: pity, thanks ;)
[12:49] <jemadux> i am not a devel , but i want to know... in natty will have uninity instead of gnone ?
[12:49] <sebner> jemadux: du mean unity instead of gnome-shell?!
[12:50] <jemadux> yes this i mean
[12:50] <sebner> jemadux: gnome-shell != gnome, it's just a part of it but the answer is yes
[12:54] <jemadux> gnome shell == part of gnome 3 ?
[12:55] <Oli```> Hey does anybody know what state a window has to be to be able to overlay the panel?
[12:56] <sebner> jemadux: jes
[12:56] <sebner> *yes
[12:57] <jemadux> ok :)
[13:14] <jemadux> unity is a fork of gnome shell ?
[13:15] <StevenK> It is not
[13:21] <jemadux> and why dont make a version of ubuntu called unibuntu ? and leave to 11.04 with gnome-shell ? :p
[13:55] <om26er> can anyone please sponser bug 636161 ? (upstream recommended)(sru approved)
[14:42] <Riddell> ttx: server natty kolab rescheduled for tomorrow at 11:00/16:00 in #ubuntu-uds-curacao12, if one/some of your people could be there that would be lovely
[14:43]  * ttx looks
[14:44] <ttx> zul_: do you think you can go ? I need to be in the automated testing / Hudson one
[14:44] <zul_> sure
[14:44] <ttx> zul_: or find someone else more interested than you are :)
[15:12] <maco> kees: that ptrace change that breaks debuggers in 10.10... emails say to put 0 in /proc/sys/kernel/ptrace_scope but when i try to echo | tee it tells me that file doesn't exist. how do i debug?
[15:13] <kees> maco: where did you find that path documented? (it's the old path)
[15:13] <cjwatson> maco: cjwatson
[15:13] <cjwatson> err?
[15:14] <cjwatson> maco: /proc/sys/kernel/yama/ptrace_scope
[15:14]  * cjwatson is not a kernel configuration path
[15:14] <kees> maco: the correct path ... what cjwatson said faster than me :)
[15:14] <maco> kees: i was grepping emails
[15:14] <maco> cjwatson: thanks
[15:15] <kees> maco: ah-ha, okay. it was discovered that gdb lost the "education" patch it had -- I actually just uploaded the fix for that to proposed
[15:15] <kees> maco: but the release notes and things hsould have it updated.
[15:24] <tseliot> pitti: ping
[15:24] <pitti> tseliot: pong
[15:25] <tseliot> pitti: can we talk a bit about jockey some time today?
[15:25] <pitti> tseliot: I'd have time today at 12:00
[15:27] <pitti> tseliot: my afternoon is full already
[15:28] <nemo> hm. ok. I disabled all my cronjobs that use gconf, and Xorg is no longer steadily sucking up memory.
[15:28] <tseliot> pitti: great, shall we meet at the front desk (where Michelle and Marianna are) by then?
[15:28]  * nemo searches for known related bugs
[15:28] <nemo> s/gconf/dbus/
[15:28] <pitti> tseliot: yes, sounds good
[15:30] <tseliot> pitti: ok, I'll see you there then
[15:44] <m_101> hi!
[15:44] <m_101> i found weird behavior with Unity interface
[15:44] <m_101> :(
[15:45] <m_101> Unity kind of "restart" when i change tabs in Kile
[15:56] <svwilliams> has anyone had the issue with Unity that if you hibernate the images on the bar to the left become white blocks?
[15:57] <svwilliams> when you return
[16:13] <hrw|uds> hi
[16:14] <hrw|uds> someone remember which kernel version does ubuntu udev require?
[16:14] <ebroder> hrw|uds: udev generally requires a kernel *at least as new* as was released with that version of ubuntu
[16:15] <hrw|uds> ebroder: sure, but I have a board which has 2.6.31 only so far and we want to get buntu working on it with this version
[16:15] <ebroder> hrw|uds: Then you probably either need to look at karmic (or at least karmic's udev) or be prepared for some potential pain
[16:37] <rhys> did anyone ever notice that http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/gnuplot-nox package pulls in a ton of X11 libraries?
[16:37] <rhys> its not actually "nox"
[16:43] <geser> which ones? I don't see any X package in depends for that package
[16:53] <ChogyDan> geser: maybe it is groff
[16:55] <rhys> Its groff
[16:56] <rhys> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/groff
[16:56] <rhys> those pull in alot more
[16:56] <rhys> is there a flag to apt/dpkg to shut off installing "recommended"
[16:56] <rhys> ?
[16:56] <psusi> --no-install-recommends
[17:03] <ebroder> or --without-recommends if you're using aptitude
[17:03] <\sh> rhys: in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99norecommends paste the following:http://paste.ubuntu.com/521508/
[17:04] <\sh> dunno if aptitude respects apt configurations
[17:04] <ebroder> \sh: It should
[17:04] <\sh> ebroder: I try to avoid aptitude ;)
[17:05] <ebroder> \sh: I'm less opinionated about it than I used to be now that apt-get's resolver got better
[17:06] <rhys> interesting
[17:11] <rhys> should groff be suggested and not recommended?
[17:13] <\sh> rhys: depends?
[17:13] <\sh> rhys: which packages
[17:13] <\sh> s/s$//
[17:14] <rhys> \sh, for the "gnuplot-nox" package
[17:14] <rhys> i am not familiar with the policy on what recommends should be
[17:15] <rhys> it just seems strange to me that "apt-get install gnuplot-nox" gets "groff" which gets a bunch of X11 libraries.
[17:17] <\sh> Well, recommends only says (as I interpretate it), that it will install additional packages which will give the app in the to be install package more functionality...which is for desktop ok, regarding a server, I would always go without recommends...
[17:20] <micahg> I thought recommends is for packages that would be used with the package in most scenarios
[17:25] <\sh> micahg: well, they are not "Essential" for the functionality...but gives eventually more functionallity...well, on servers I always deploy apt without recommends installation...especially on vmware machines, with openvm-tools...
[17:25] <micahg> \sh: right, essential is depends
[17:28] <rhys> ah. right
[17:31] <\sh> micahg: when zf 1.11 is out and reaching natty..you get again some work ;)
[17:31] <micahg> \sh: heh, no problem, maybe I'll be MOTU by then and we can backport officially :)
[17:33] <\sh> micahg: I thought you wanted to be motu at the end of UDS?
[17:33] <micahg> \sh: yes, but we'll see
[17:37] <\sh> micahg: good luck :)
[17:37] <micahg> \sh: thansk
[17:37] <micahg> *thanks
[17:37] <Keybuk> kees: I saw this http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RemoveSETUID and thought of you
[17:40] <kees> Keybuk: yup. Debian and Ubuntu need to support fscaps first. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/FilesystemCapabilties
[17:40] <kees> Keybuk: Fedora is just bringing this idea back up because of the recent libc vulnerabilities
[17:40] <Keybuk> indeed
[17:42] <kees> which isn't very helpful because at least something will still have CAP_SYS_ADMIN, and that's virtually everything anyway. :P
[17:43] <ebroder> Are they going to drop sudo or something?
[17:43] <ebroder> Push everything through PolKit?
[17:44] <kees> ebroder: the ultimate goal has always been to get rid of sudo in favor of PolKit, yeah.
[17:46] <Keybuk> kees: ah, I remember this - we can't do fscaps because we use squashfs for the live cd
[17:46] <ebroder> Keybuk: Doesn't squashfs have xattr support?
[17:47] <ebroder> (at least in theory)
[17:47] <Keybuk> squashfs barely has permissions support ;-)
[17:47] <Keybuk> in fact, we're lucky it does directories
[17:47] <cody-somerville> lol
[19:50] <bmm> I've got a python package with a setup.py which defines "entry_points" containing "console_scripts", which easy install will create into a file in the bin directory but cdbs does not seem to understand that.
[19:51] <bmm> Any tips, do I need to symlink, patch, or is there a way to configure cdbs to understand that?
[19:55] <ebroder> bmm: What does cdbs need to understand about that?
[19:56] <ebroder> If you're using the python-distutils.mk class, it should run (something like) setup.py install, which will install the script into (something like) $(DESTDIR)$(PREFIX)/bin, in which case everything will be fine
[19:59] <bmm> ebroder: ok, I'll have to check again then..
[20:04] <bmm> ebroder: Ok, it's not working yet, but I'm to tired to finish it today. I'll have a look at it tomorrow or something. Thanks for the response!
[20:05] <ebroder> bmm: Hmm...it's possible that cdbs is passing some weird argument that keeps the setup.py script from creating the script (like --one-version-centrally-managed or whatever that argument is called)
[20:09] <bmm> ebroder: I'll write that down for tomorrow :)
[20:19] <ebroder> Hmm...I can't magically build a URL for ".dsc file of the current version of <package> in <release>", right? I have to hit the API?
[20:20] <dholbach> ebroder, apt-get source? :-)
[20:20] <ebroder> dholbach: For arbitrary values of <release> :)
[20:20] <dholbach> ebroder, -t :)
[20:21] <ebroder> Thet let's me pull from different pockets but not, say, get a maverick source package on a lucid machine
[20:21] <dholbach> chdist might be easier
[20:23] <ebroder> whoa...
[20:23] <ebroder> Never seen that before
[20:23] <ebroder> Although I still don't think that actually solves this particular problem; I'll just use the API
[20:24] <dholbach> ebroder, what exactly are you trying to do? just get a source package from a different release?
[20:24] <ebroder> I'm trying to write a script that does that. (This is eventually going to be for backports testing)
[20:25] <geser> ebroder: something like "pull-lp-source" in u-d-t?
[20:25] <dholbach> ebroder, to me chdist looks like a good idea for using that :)
[20:26] <ebroder> geser: Uh...yeah. Something exactly like pull-lp-source :-P
[20:26] <ebroder> Thanks for that
[20:29] <micahg> stgraber: are you interested in merging pidgin?
[20:29] <stgraber> micahg: not really
[20:29] <micahg> stgraber: ok, thanks
[20:29]  * micahg will prepare a merge later
[20:30] <stgraber> micahg: I just happen to be the last uploader because a colleague of mine needed a patch from upstream to be applied to our package. Latest upstream should have it so this delta can be dropped.
[20:30] <micahg> stgraber: right, I figured as much, but wanted to ask anyways
[20:46] <Riddell> skaet: ping
[20:46] <skaet> Riddell: hi
[22:45] <slangasek> ogra_ac: since you appear to be able to reproduce bug #652035, can you confirm the fix for SRU verification?
[22:46]  * ogra_ac checks which one that is
[22:46] <ogra_ac> slangasek, comment 11 isnt enough ?
[22:51] <slangasek> ogra_ac: if you can confirm that the fix crimsun uploaded to his ppa is identical to the one that was in the SRU queue?
[22:51] <ogra_ac> slangasek, already done
[22:51] <ogra_ac> i commented
[22:53] <slangasek> ogra_ac: ok, thanks!