[00:30] <wgrant> ajmitch: Well, rebasing is less of a problem in git. They don't care much about history. But I'm not sure how it's going to work in the bzr world.
[00:30] <wgrant> It should be OK for now, since we're not importing tarballs yet.
[00:34] <ajmitch> wgrant: right, rebasing a public branch is something that just feels wrong
[00:34] <ajmitch> though I know it's popular enough
[08:43] <bilalakhtar> hyperair: I see you daily connecting and re-connecting, what's the matter?
[08:51] <hyperair> bilalakhtar: changing location.
[08:51] <bilalakhtar> hyperair: ohk
[08:52] <hyperair> bilalakhtar: i put my notebook on suspend when moving between room to lecture theatre,  and from lt to lt
[08:52] <hyperair> and so on
[08:52] <bilalakhtar> okie
[08:54] <hyperair> does anyone know where i can find written proof on ubuntu.com that ubuntu is freely redistributable?
[08:54] <hyperair> we're planning to hold an installfest and need to convince higher-ups in the university that we're not doing anything illegal.
[08:54] <ajmitch> http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/licensing
[08:55] <hyperair> apparently that wasn't enough
[08:55]  * hyperair will try to highlight specific phrases inside it
[08:55] <ajmitch> like the "Must allow redistribution"?
[08:55] <hyperair> yeah
[11:18] <bilalakhtar> vish: Good morning!
[11:25] <vish> bilalakhtar: nope.. going back to sleep..  ;)
[11:25] <bilalakhtar> vish: ah, I would recommend you to sleep at a stretch, forget about mail
[11:37] <bilalakhtar> quadrispro: Hello there! I have seen that from many days, you have marked a few merges as ' quadrispro on it'. Are you working on them>
[11:37] <bilalakhtar> ?
[11:39] <quadrispro> bilalakhtar, which merges are you interested in?
[11:39] <bilalakhtar> quadrispro: pyx
[11:40] <quadrispro> bilalakhtar, feel free to take it
[11:40] <bilalakhtar> Thanks
[13:10] <micahg> hi ari-tczew, do you mind if I merge conkeror?  you TIL
[13:11] <ari-tczew> hi micahg, what is TIL?
[13:11] <micahg> ari-tczew: Touched It Last
[13:13] <ari-tczew> micahg: I don't see available merge from conkeror (or maybe experimental if you want), anyway feel free! :)
[13:13] <micahg> ari-tczew: yep (it's in experimental), thanks
[13:16] <nigelb> micahg: heh, give it a rest :p You're at UDS :D
[13:36] <micahg> nigelb: it's for something at UDS :P
[13:40] <nigelb> micahg: ah, finishing action items within a few hours? ;)
[13:40] <micahg> nigelb: heh, this is more of a pre-action item :)
[13:41] <nigelb> dang it, this must be a record.
[13:41] <nigelb> finishing an action item before you even define it.
[13:58] <andreserl> .win 3
[13:58] <andreserl> pff
[15:17] <lu_zero> hi
[16:36] <micahg> ScottK: does this look ok? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/521495/
[16:38] <ScottK> For the changelog entry use * No change backport for Maverick (LP: #nnnnnn) - the rest is good.
[16:38] <ScottK> It won't auto close since it's in the wrong pocket, but it should still be documented.
[16:38] <Laney> i thought that was generated by the script
[16:39] <micahg> is bug 667803 good enough?
[16:39]  * micahg is about to attach a build log
[16:41] <micahg> ScottK: so, I'll upload now then?
[16:41] <Laney> no-change backports don't get uploaded
[16:42] <micahg> Laney: this is for a test
[16:44] <ScottK> Laney: This is a special case.
[16:44] <Laney> ok
[16:45] <ScottK> micahg: Needs a statement that it installs and runs.
[16:45] <micahg> k, will test that now
[16:48] <micahg> ScottK: ok, comment added
[16:50] <ScottK> micahg: Approved.
[16:51] <micahg> ScottK: k, will upload, thanks
[17:01] <micahg> ScottK: looks like we're good, it's sitting in the queue
[18:23] <simar> shadeslayer, hi
[18:46] <Laney> does pull-debian-source work for anyone?
[18:47] <Laney> I get "The source package xxx isn't available in Debian testing"
[18:47] <sebner> Laney: yep
[18:47] <sebner> Laney: oh, wait. I only tried sid
[18:47] <Laney> I just did pull-debian-source chromium-bus
[18:47] <Laney> bsu*
[18:48] <sebner> Laney: nope, it's working
[18:48] <Laney> weird
[18:48] <sebner> Laney: but, Could Not Get http://qa.debian.org/madison.php?text=on&package=chromium-bus&s=unstable at /usr/bin/pull-debian-source line 84.
[18:48] <Laney> bsu
[18:50] <sebner> Laney: ah, yes working her
[18:50] <sebner> e
[18:50] <Laney> hmm
[19:15] <ari-tczew> \sh: are you going to update all your TIL merges?
[19:16] <Rhonda> lol
[19:16] <\sh> ari-tczew: I would like too...but it looks like that I don't have the time for it...(i mean in the next 4 weeks or so)
[19:16] <Rhonda> Earlier today you didn't now that acronym, now you are throwing it around like you always used it. ;)
[19:17] <\sh> ari-tczew: you are free to take them (btw..most of the stuff FTBFS because of binutils-gold)
[19:17] <ari-tczew> \sh: ok, if package from debian will build fine, I'll sync.
[19:18] <ari-tczew> that's right, besides merges we have to do a lot fix FTBFS
[19:18] <geser> ari-tczew: if you are out of merges, you can take my remaining ones
[19:19] <\sh> ari-tczew: they won't :)
[19:19] <Rhonda> It's still better to help Debian release squeeze. You are wasting effort on merges that you'll most likely have to redo once squeeze is released because there will be new versions uploaded after that.
[19:19] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: heh, you're perceptive. I prefer to use acronym instead 'merges where you are marked as a last uploader'.
[19:19] <\sh> Rhonda: many bugs in the DBTS are about binutils-gold without patches...if we get the patches here...we need to push them to the DBTS
[19:19] <Rhonda> Or could even become potential unneeded because the changes got obsolete because they got incorporated into Debian.
[19:20] <\sh> honestly, during the last releases I don't care about TIL anymore, regarding my packages
[19:21] <ari-tczew> lol, please calm down and stop encouraging me to "help release debian". I always forward patches - as policy says. I don't want beg maintainer for apply changes from Debian.
[19:21] <sebner> Rhonda: I heard that estimated release is around xmas, as I know Debian it won't release before our FF so nvm :P
[19:21] <ari-tczew> s/from Debian/from Ubuntu
[19:22] <geser> sebner: xmas of which year? :)
[19:22]  * geser runs
[19:22] <Rhonda> You can make fun of it as much as you like, natty won't have much stuff to release with if squeeze doesn't get out.
[19:22] <sebner> geser: hahahaha! you made my day
[19:23]  * Rhonda slaps geser with the suse chameleon that I got at last week's conference
[19:23] <geser> Rhonda: I know :( it was similar when Debian released the last time
[19:24]  * geser wants an Ubuntu plush maskot :)
[19:24]  * kklimonda_ wants a plush companion cube
[19:24]  * Rhonda wants a plush room to stick all you crazy folks into
[19:25]  * ajmitch is glad he's not a crazy folk
[19:25] <geser> Rhonda: who does then the work?
[19:25] <kklimonda_> debian guys!
[19:25] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: I'm not a almighty and I can't to all things for Ubuntu and also for Debian. Grabing changes from Debian to Ubuntu is the one thing which MOTU should deal with. I'm doing this, just. You have to accept that. Sorry.
[19:25] <kklimonda_> ;)
[19:25] <Rhonda> geser: You are currently making fun of people doing the work.
[19:27] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: reduce the gap, not carry it along like a shield to keep it seperated. That's the point.
[19:28] <geser> Rhonda: was not intended, but it sometimes hard to follow the processes to get something gone just to see that it doesn't move forward
[19:28] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: I think that you're too theoretical.
[19:28] <\sh> ari-tczew: MOTU should also push to debian...it's also a deal...
[19:29] <ari-tczew> I have to say again: I'm not going to make good for maintainer if he doesn't want to apply our changes.
[19:29] <ScottK> It's just efficient.  Pushing to Debian reduces our work load in the long run, even if the changes don't always get applied.
[19:29] <kklimonda_> ari-tczew: as long us you make sure that all our local changes, the ones that make sense, are sent back to debian it's enough. the rest is obviously up to DDs
[19:30] <ari-tczew> kklimonda_: do you mean report bug on BTS?
[19:30] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: I don't think so. Reducing the gap is immensly reducing the workload of the MOTU team because every merge requires a fair amount of effort to check wether the difference still applies or wether it should get removed or wether it has to get adjusted. For every single update. Removing it reduces the whole procedure to a requestsync call.
[19:30] <kklimonda_> ari-tczew: yes, it's all you can do if you aren't the DD
[19:30] <Rhonda> That's *very* practical to me.
[19:30] <\sh> ari-tczew: nobody says that...but we should do our best...even when I'm not a good example...because of bad experience with some people, but regarding some packages I do push patches
[19:30] <kklimonda_> ScottK: btw, any chance I could get my key signed on the uds?
[19:30] <kklimonda_> gpg key*
[19:30] <ScottK> It's also a form of code review.  If the Debian maintainer doesn't want to apply the change, he may have a good reason that's relevant to Ubuntu and we should revert the change to reduce the diff.
[19:31] <ari-tczew> kklimonda_: and I'm doing this. They couldn't understand this.
[19:31] <ScottK> kklimonda_: Certainly.
[19:31] <\sh> ScottK: re: If the Debian maintainer doesn't want to apply the change, he may have a good reason that's relevant to Ubuntu and we should revert the change to reduce the diff.
[19:31] <\sh> ScottK: this is not always the truth
[19:31] <kklimonda_> ScottK: is there going to be some organized event or should I just run from a person to a person? I know there has been one in the past but haven't heard anything about keysigning party this time.
[19:32] <ScottK> \sh: I said "may" for a reason.
[19:32] <ScottK> kklimonda_: Run from person to person.
[19:32] <kklimonda_> ok
[19:32] <ScottK> (there often is, but not this time)
[19:32] <Laney> you might email a list and ask if people are interested in something informal
[19:32] <kklimonda_> ScottK: where are you ? :)
[19:33] <kklimonda_> Laney: which list?
[19:33] <ScottK> In the plenaries.  We'll do it later.
[19:33] <kklimonda_> ok
[19:33] <\sh> ScottK: is UDS-N better then UDS-M or even more crowded then belgium?
[19:33] <Laney> devel?
[19:33] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: Some practical example? spl and wesnoth, which I am responsible in Debian, did carry around a ubuntu diff for several releases before I noticed it (because I wasn't interested in Ubuntu back then). Now there is no difference anymore. And I'm working on reducing the need of irssi merges, even though that's a far more difficult topic, but from what I understand doable with 3.0 (quilt).
[19:33] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: please tell me, how do you imagine reducing delta?
[19:34] <Rhonda> I don't imagine, I *do*.
[19:34] <ScottK> \sh: It's a much larger venue.  UDS may not even be the largest event this week. Much better in that regard.
[19:34] <\sh> ScottK: hopefully we can chat during next UDS in Europe again in person :)
[19:35] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: this is not response for my question. Please describe details of your forwarding process.
[19:35] <ScottK> ari-tczew: Just accept that you will not always be successful in getting your changes in Debian (you won't) and be glad for the times it does as it helps both distrobutions.
[19:35] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: It is a response. Just because it doesn't suit your expecation doesn't make it a response.
[19:36] <\sh> dpkg-genchanges: error: cannot fstat file ../<pkgname>_<upstream version>-<release no>_.deb: No such file or directory wtf?
[19:36] <kklimonda_> well, I guess the real response is "become a DD" :)
[19:36] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: But not even trying to forward changes by sending patches to the BTS is definitely not improving the situation.
[19:36] <ScottK> kklimonda_: That isn't a universal solution.
[19:37] <Rhonda> If I would have got forwarded the changes for both wesnoth and spl there wouldn't had been a need for a difference in the first place.
[19:37] <kklimonda_> right
[19:37] <Rhonda> Which got carried around for a pretty long time because noone even did try to forward them.
[19:37] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: now you're very funny. again: I'm not going to make good for maintainer if he is lazy to review his BTS. Bug reported, patch attached - well done. What's next? I don't care.
[19:37] <\sh> ari-tczew: just forward the patch to the BTS and be done with it....you don't even have to care if the maintainer is applying the patch or not..you just did your ubuntu duty
[19:38] <ari-tczew> \sh: and I'm doing this...
[19:38] <ScottK> That's great then.
[19:38] <ari-tczew> do you can understand me?
[19:38] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: If you have forwarded it then that's fine. Though, when doing the merge, sending a short ping to the bugreport about the status doesn't hurt and can help a lot.
[19:38] <ari-tczew> kklimonda_: help me please, because I don't know how to explain this.
[19:39] <Rhonda> It did happen to me and also others that things got drowned in spam and stuff.
[19:44] <\sh> Rhonda: which patch of wesnoth? in the past I had problems to convience upstream (not debian) that (int)<pointer> is not true on x86_64 ;)
[19:46] <Rhonda> \sh: Related to shipping a wesnoth-all package. I heard through third parties about it in the first place.
[19:46] <Laney> anyone uploaded in the last ~hour?
[19:48] <Laney> weird, it was accepted but dput still hasn't returned
[19:49] <sebner> Laney: you have quite the troubles today? =)
[19:50] <Laney> woe is me!
[19:51] <Rhonda> \sh: And if you need a mediator or proxy for such things to the wesnoth team, feel free to abuse me.
[19:51] <ari-tczew> Laney: I did 2 uploads while last hour. They were accepted.
[19:52] <Rhonda> \sh: My approach ever was and ever will be to establish proper communication channels with my upstreams. In wesnoth I got as deep in as being security contact person. %-)
[19:56] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: ping on bug or better mail to maintainer?
[19:58] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: ping on bug, that reaches the maintainer and potential other subscribers, have it public documented for other interested parties to review.
[19:59] <Rhonda> And having it public also often is a good driving force to keep the tone in the mail on a proper level. ;)
[19:59]  * Rhonda . o O ( not for some, I'm aware of that )
[20:03] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: having it public? is it private? I don't understand.
[20:06] <Rhonda> If you mail the maintainer it's private in their mailbox. If you send it to the BTS it's public.
[20:14] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: A mail containing "This is a ping, any news on this bugreport? Is there a problem with the patch, do you consider it needs some rework? It would be kind to have any update in case more information is needed. Thanks." should be quite sufficient.
[20:21] <ari-tczew> Rhonda: Gotcha. Do you still think that I'm wasting a time?
[20:24] <\sh> hmm..I hope google staffing will understand that I'm not into "Hello, Google knocks at your door, you should be excited" anymore
[20:25] <Rhonda> anymore?
[20:26] <\sh> Rhonda: it's the 12th time they are sending emails to me with content like "your profile looks promising" or "are you interested in working for google?" or "We had some colleagues here who are saying that you are a good catch for google" blabla...
[20:26] <ajmitch> \sh: heh, I got a mail from them last week as wel
[20:26] <simar> ari-tczew, I hope, you could guide me something at which i can work .. some security patches..  i have nothing to do and have a week totally free.
[20:26] <simar> ari-tczew, by the way .. hi
[20:26] <\sh> ajmitch: 12 emails in the last 6 weeks
[20:26] <\sh> from us staffing, from external google head
[20:27] <\sh> hunters and now from zurich
[20:27] <ajmitch> \sh: they must want you
[20:27] <\sh> damn, I'm 40...I'm too old for google
[20:27] <ari-tczew> simar: hey, I think that I'll find some time for you.
[20:28] <simar> ari-tczew, thanks a lot .. i will be gratefull
[20:29] <\sh> ajmitch: I wrote an email now, if they are still interested after reading that...I'll reply with my CV..if not...I'll mark google staffing mails as spam on my google mail account ;)
[20:29] <\sh> and also on linkedin and xing ;)
[20:30] <ajmitch> \sh: I haven't replied yet, I probably should :)
[20:30] <\sh> ajmitch: you are young enough :)
[20:30] <ajmitch> though I'm dead certain they won't want me :)
[20:30] <\sh> ajmitch: why? you are a damn good man...
[20:30] <\sh> ajmitch: they need you
[20:31]  * geser got contacted by Google too
[20:32] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: Thanks for assuming that you are my center of attention span.
[20:32] <ajmitch> they probably did a pass over LP team members
[20:32] <\sh> ajmitch: 12 times? they are crazy...or they use broken software
[20:32] <ajmitch> or both
[20:33] <geser> mine contact was some months ago and they mentioned my Ubuntu work in their mail as reason
[20:33] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: Even if you consider it unlikely, but I also have a private life that doesn't evolve around you. Wether you are wasting time is not for me to decide, you do whatever you want to do anyway. I did respond to your questions, so having it in plural form is also not really true.
[20:34] <\sh> geser: that's different from the emails I got...they are refering to my "profile"...whatever that is...in linkedin, in xing and also via plain email
[20:34] <\sh> I wonder how they got to know me (without googling ;))
[20:34] <geser> \sh: perhaps your profile in their database
[20:35] <\sh> geser: from 2005 yeah ;)
[20:35] <ajmitch> \sh: so you didn't say "sign me up!" yet?
[20:35] <\sh> ajmitch: why should I...
[20:36] <simar> ari-tczew, if you busy ,..should I contact you sometime later... or if you like we can get in touch on email if you like ??
[20:36] <ajmitch> \sh: because it's google & obviously awesome
[20:36] <ajmitch> or at least they hope you'll think that so they don't have to pay as much
[20:36] <\sh> ajmitch: I'm awesome, you are awesome but google...;) *joking*
[20:37]  * Rhonda feels left out, haven't received google recruiting mails since a longer time now.
[20:37] <\sh> honestly. I think google will become the "United Federation Of Planets" in the future, when Star Trek will be reality
[20:37] <Rhonda> There was one from facebook last year though.
[20:37] <ajmitch> Rhonda: \sh can forward you one, he's got 11 to spare
[20:37] <Rhonda> ajmitch: heh :)
[20:37] <geser> Rhonda: perhaps \sh should forward some of his to you :)
[20:37] <ari-tczew> so, these mails are fake?
[20:38] <\sh> ari-tczew: nope
[20:38] <geser> ari-tczew: no
[20:38] <ajmitch> ari-tczew: no, quite real
[20:38] <\sh> ari-tczew: sadly not
[20:38] <Rhonda> ajmitch: no
[20:38] <ari-tczew> oh, what a massive reaction ;d
[20:38] <Rhonda> I had a longish mail exchange with that facebook recruiter though.
[20:39] <Rhonda> They insisted on giving me interview even after I told them that I would consider if they are out for performance in their LAMP system they should start with replacing mysql with postgres.
[20:39] <ajmitch> ari-tczew: google are known for their aggressive recruiting
[20:39] <ari-tczew> you must be a very good objects for hire... ?
[20:40] <\sh> ari-tczew: spammers and fakers are not aggressive
[20:40] <ari-tczew> btw. I've got a lot of spam with @ubuntu.com adresses in subject
[20:40] <Rhonda> ari-tczew: Being active in Free Software for over 10 years makes one a good target, yes.
[20:40] <ajmitch> ari-tczew: they send out a *lot* of emails to try & attract smart people to work for them
[20:41] <ari-tczew> are you going to take this job?
[20:41] <Rhonda> Which of the 12? :)
[20:42] <Rhonda> Given that they usually involve relocating, and given that I have a small family on my own, they aren't an option. Speaking for myself, that is.
[20:44] <ajmitch> they could be an interesting change from what I'm doing now, but I find it unlikely I'd make it through the interview gauntlet :)
[20:45] <Rhonda> ajmitch: Given that the interview is abroad you could at least enjoy the flight and visiting the other city. ;)
[20:45]  * geser failed on the on-site interview
[20:46] <ajmitch> Rhonda: right, I think sydney is the closest for me
[20:46]  * Rhonda would love to see sydney.
[20:47]  * StevenK misses Sydney
[20:47]  * ajmitch has only been there a couple of times
[20:48] <ajmitch> StevenK: I'm sure you'll get back there one day
[20:48] <StevenK> Next month, sadly
[20:49] <StevenK> (I literally leave the US in October and land in Sydney in November)
[20:49] <ajmitch> so flying back next week, or spending a bit more time in the US?
[20:49] <StevenK> Leaving on Saturday
[20:51] <ari-tczew> simar: 21:00 UTC is okay for you?
[20:53] <\sh> Rhonda: that's one of my impediments...small family....kid, wife and a good life here in .de ...
[20:55] <simar> ari-tczew, wait,, let me check
[20:58] <simar> ari-tczew, no mate .. i have some last classes tomorrow..
[20:58] <simar> ari-tczew, somewhere after 11:30 would be fine ..
[20:59] <simar> GMT
[21:00] <simar> ari-tczew, oh .. i think i miscalculated ... 21 would be good .. that means after 1 hour right??
[21:00] <ari-tczew> simar: Exactly.
[21:01] <ari-tczew> simar: what is your timezone? (UTC)
[21:02] <simar> +5:30 UTC
[21:03] <simar> That would be 2:30 AM here but i will manage..
[21:03] <simar> ari-tczew, What is yours?
[21:05] <ari-tczew> simar: UTC +2 hours
[21:05] <simar> ari-tczew, ok :))
[21:05] <simar> cya at 21 utc
[21:06] <ari-tczew> k
[21:19] <ivoks> persia: i'll talk to you
[21:19] <ivoks> persia: and you shout :)
[22:10] <ari-tczew> simar: I'm here
[22:11] <simar> ari-tczew, great. i was waiting .. :))
[22:11] <ari-tczew> simar: I'm waiting for your ping. You want get information from me.
[22:11] <simar> ari-tczew, I was having a look at some old sessions in #ubuntu-classroom
[22:11] <simar> ari-tczew, ya sure
[22:11] <ari-tczew> simar: do you want discuss there?
[22:12] <simar> ari-tczew, sure
[22:12] <simar> anywhere
[22:13] <ari-tczew> simar: for me it's indifferent
[22:13] <simar> ari-tczew, then its fine here for me too :-)
[22:14] <ari-tczew> simar: ok, what about your packaging knowledge?
[22:15] <simar> ari-tczew, I have a print out of a ubuntu packaging guide and read it almost..
[22:15] <simar> ari-tczew, but don't know where i can start.. i always puzzle with dependencies in FTBFS
[22:16] <ari-tczew> simar: specifically, are you familiar with debdiff?
[22:16] <simar> ari-tczew, I don't know how can I learn about each one of them. There are a lot of them with no reference anywhere
[22:17] <simar> ari-tczew, I hope I can do things with it..
[22:18] <ari-tczew> simar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Howtos/Debdiff
[22:19] <simar> ari-tczew, I was already looking at it ..
[22:19] <ari-tczew> simar: and what's the problem?
[22:20] <simar> ari-tczew, no problem with following the guide but where to apply the procedure.. i don't have any packages on which i can work
[22:20] <ari-tczew> simar: let's take an example based on merges
[22:21] <simar> ari-tczew, that would be fine..
[22:21] <ari-tczew> simar: btw. please be patient, firstly you must be familiar with basic packaging, then you can work easier on security patches
[22:22] <ari-tczew> simar: use command: grab-merge gcl
[22:22] <simar> ari-tczew, ok
[22:23] <ari-tczew> simar: or grab-merge festival, less disk space
[22:25] <simar> ari-tczew, I have run both. The one which will complete early, we can use that.
[22:26] <simar> grab-merge festival.. says package not found
[22:26] <ari-tczew> simar: ok, if you got gcl, festival is not necessary, nevermind
[22:26] <ari-tczew> simar: let's do: cd gcl
[22:27] <ari-tczew> do you see .dsc files?
[22:27] <simar> ari-tczew, its still getting gcl from the internet
[22:27] <ari-tczew> if you use terminal, let's point only .dsc files by command: ls | grep .dsc
[22:28] <simar> .topic
[22:28] <ari-tczew> huh, someone has changed topic to Kubuntu's channel?
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> looks fine here
[22:29] <JontheEchidna> both give debfx congrats, but that's it
[22:30] <micahg> ari-tczew: he's a new MOTU, quite appropriate
[22:30] <simar> ari-tczew, I can see a list of 'pending merges' here. Should I choose anyone in future ...
[22:31] <simar> https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[22:31] <ari-tczew> simar: you can, but I want show you only how to use debdiff.
[22:32] <ari-tczew> simar: gcl is already merged by me IIRC ~2hours ago by me.
[22:32] <micahg> simar: at this point in the cycle, you should ask the person who last updated it if they are working on it
[22:32] <simar> ari-tczew, ok
[22:33] <simar> micahg, what do last update mean. Have they already worked somewhat on it??
[22:35] <ari-tczew> simar: I suggest to move out on PM, as here someone else could broke our discussion.
[22:36] <micahg> ari-tczew: this is the perfect forum for that type of help
[22:36] <micahg> simar: meaning the last person in the changelog (the one who did the merge), they might have an interest in the package or have some specific knowledge about it
[22:36] <ari-tczew> micahg: but I'm teaching simar firstly how to use debdiff, then how to fix security issues. Now you're confusing him.
[22:37] <micahg> ari-tczew: he brought up merges, that's the first thing to tell someone about merges, before you start make sure you're not working on someone's else's thing (at this point in the cycle)
[22:38] <simar> oh!
[22:38] <simar> I think PM would be fine
[22:38] <ari-tczew> micahg: I'm teaching him how to use debdiff, based on .dsc files prepared by merge-o-matic. we are not merging...
[22:38] <ari-tczew> very hard to explain
[22:39] <ari-tczew> I want to close this discussion. I'm talking with simar on PM.
[22:39] <shadeslayer> can someone help me with this rules file : http://pastebin.com/nDssMqWY
[22:39] <shadeslayer> it doesnt seem to work
[22:39] <ari-tczew> shadeslayer: buildlog?
[22:39] <micahg> ari-tczew: ok
[22:40] <shadeslayer> micahg: http://pastebin.ca/1975878
[22:40] <micahg> shadeslayer: why is override_dh_auto_build indented?
[22:40] <shadeslayer> whoops
[22:41] <shadeslayer> ah
[22:41] <shadeslayer> micahg: thanks :P
[22:41] <micahg> shadeslayer: np
[22:44] <shadeslayer> micahg: so after indenting, lintian still says : binary-without-manpage
[22:45] <micahg> shadeslayer: ok, try a tab instead of spaces for docbook-to-man
[22:45] <shadeslayer> maybe because i have to have a custom move rule?
[22:45] <shadeslayer> it is a tab
[22:45] <micahg> shadeslayer: ok
[22:45] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/tsFS2mZ8
[22:46] <micahg> shadeslayer: is it installed?
[22:46] <shadeslayer> nope
[22:46] <micahg> shadeslayer: so install it :)
[22:47] <shadeslayer> no no no... see dpkg --contents foo.deb doesnt show the man page
[22:47] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/hXrvrMc8
[22:47] <micahg> shadeslayer: right, it's not installed
[22:47] <shadeslayer> yeah, so how do i install it?
[22:47]  * micahg doesn't know with dh7 if a .manpages file is needed
[22:47] <shadeslayer> its a docbook
[22:47] <shadeslayer> oh.
[22:47] <shadeslayer> right...
[22:47] <micahg> shadeslayer: yes, but you're making it a man page :)
[22:48] <shadeslayer> yes i just understood it
[22:49] <shadeslayer> but.. i still dont know how to fix it :P
[22:50] <azeem_> 23:47  * micahg doesn't know with dh7 if a .manpages file is needed
[22:50] <azeem_> shadeslayer: add it to .manpages
[22:50] <shadeslayer> right
[22:50] <shadeslayer> already working on it
[22:50] <micahg> shadeslayer: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html#s-manpage
[22:53] <shadeslayer> still not there yet
[22:53] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/mkU1nEk5
[22:54] <micahg> shadeslayer: no, dh_installman is by default, just create a wmiface.manpages file in the debian dir
[22:55] <shadeslayer> hmm