[01:51] <h00k> So, I'm not entirely sure the 'best' way to handle people that seemingly ignore instructions to direct them to their correct language room
[04:47] <tonyyarusso> h00k: I (and) others have occasionally resorted to a temporary banforward and hoping they figure out to rejoin.
[04:47] <tonyyarusso> Really, there's not a better option available.
[06:56] <MindVirus> Flannel: Gonna unban me now?
[06:57] <Flannel> MindVirus: it's not "If you enter #ubuntu-ops, then you get unbanned".  Would you like to discuss your ban?
[06:57] <MindVirus> Flannel: Sure.
[06:57] <MindVirus> I said "hookers".
[06:57] <Flannel> MindVirus: Do you know why you were banned?
[06:57] <MindVirus> That wasn't even a complete sentence.
[06:57] <MindVirus> Because I said "hookers"?
[06:57] <Flannel> No
[06:58] <MindVirus> Oh, it was one of those delay-bans.
[06:58] <MindVirus> Flannel: Why did I get banned?
[06:58] <Flannel> MindVirus: No, because you continued behaving poorly.
[06:58] <MindVirus> And I did that by saying "hookers", right?
[06:59] <Flannel> Actually no.
[06:59] <MindVirus> Was it the sarcastic and whimsical "hankers" comment?
[06:59] <Flannel> If I had to pick a single line, that lead most directly to your ban, it would have to be the "h**kers" comment.
[06:59] <MindVirus> Seriously?
[07:00] <Flannel> MindVirus: yes.
[07:00] <MindVirus> Did you see how hard I blocked out those "o"s?
[07:00] <Flannel> MindVirus: I thought you blocked out an 'a' and a 'n'?
[07:00] <MindVirus> Flannel: Me too, but apparently you thought "h**kers" meant something else.
[07:01] <Flannel> MindVirus: The rules do apply to you as well, regardless of how much disdain you have for them.  That includes the "Be considerate" and "Be respectful" ones, and it applies to everyone in the channel.
[07:01] <MindVirus> I have no problem with the rules, which is why I followed them.
[07:01] <MindVirus> Saying "hookers" is not disrespectful or inconsiderate.
[07:02] <MindVirus> Or do you want me to talk to the denizens of the channel like babies?
[07:02] <Flannel> MindVirus: Which is why you called someone "dumber than you thought"?
[07:02] <MindVirus> Flannel: See, that's deflection.
[07:02] <MindVirus> You punished me for that.
[07:02] <Flannel> MindVirus: I did.  I kicked you as a warning.
[07:02] <MindVirus> Right, and I didn't do anything after that.
[07:03] <Flannel> I considered banning you then, but figured I'd give you a chance to straighten up first.
[07:03] <MindVirus> Flannel: I would have not fought against a ban there.
[07:03] <Flannel> MindVirus: Consider this a ban for that then, if it makes you feel better.
[07:03] <MindVirus> Flannel: It doesn't because it's not true.
[07:03] <Flannel> MindVirus: It is though.  One got you 90% of the way, the other got you the last 10%
[07:04] <MindVirus> Saying "hookers" should have got me a total of 0%.
[07:04] <MindVirus> That is actually an innocent word.
[07:04] <MindVirus> In fact, you taking offense to that word is offensive.
[07:04] <Flannel> MindVirus: Regardless, re-read the code of conduct, re-read the IRC guidelines, and I'll talk to you again in 24 hours.
[07:04] <MindVirus> I have the code right here.
[07:04] <Flannel> MindVirus: Good to hear, you'll have no trouble reading it then.
[07:04] <MindVirus> Flannel: Neither will you. "Some topics are controversial and often end in negativity. Take care on subjects like war, race, religion, politics, gender, sexuality, drugs, potentially illegal activities and suicide. The topics are not banned; stating your position is ok, but trolling, baiting, hostility or repetition are not. If you are asked to stop, do so politely. Disputes to !appeals, please adhere to !freenode Policy and the !CodeOfCond
[07:05] <MindVirus> Where does it even remotely imply I'm not allowed to say "hookers"?
[07:05] <MindVirus> I wasn't even talking about them.
[07:05] <MindVirus> I just said that word.
[07:05] <MindVirus> Then I blocked out the word when asking about it, because I wasn't even sure what I did.
[07:06] <MindVirus> Wait, is this about "potentially illegal activities"?
[07:06] <MindVirus> So if I talk about someone else stealing something that would get me banned?
[07:06] <Flannel> MindVirus: This has nothing to do with that factoid.  Read the code of conduct, and the IRC guidelines.
[07:06] <MindVirus> I guess I didn't have the code of conduct then.
[07:06] <MindVirus> I'll google it because it's 2:00AM and I have nothing better to do.
[07:06] <Flannel> !coc | MindVirus
[07:07] <MindVirus> Thank you.
[07:07] <Flannel> !guidelines | MindVirus
[07:07] <MindVirus> OK, the code of conduct seems to agree with me.
[07:07] <Flannel> MindVirus: Again, read and understand those, and we'll talk again in 24 hours.
[07:08] <MindVirus> Flannel: You want me to talk to you on thirsty Thursday.
[07:08] <Flannel> MindVirus: You're welcome to come back on Friday or Saturday (or whenever past 24h), that's fine.
[07:08] <MindVirus> The only topic of note here is "Language and Subject".
[07:09] <MindVirus> Huh, odd. Seems to say the same thing as ubottu.
[07:09] <MindVirus> Flannel: The only reason I "read" the CoC so fast is because I only assumed the headings summarized the following paragraph(s).
[07:10] <Flannel> MindVirus: It basically does.  I do encourage you to read the whole thing though, but if you only catch the headings, thats sufficient.
[07:11] <MindVirus> Right, so skipping the CoC, and moving on to the IRC guidelines, which I assume follows the same rule of logic...
[07:11] <MindVirus> There's only one pertinent section.
[07:11] <MindVirus> That I've already read in that factoid.
[07:11] <Flannel> MindVirus: No, sorry.  I guess I didn't make it clear.  Read them so you know them in general, not just how they may apply to the situation at hand.
[07:12] <MindVirus> Oh, OK.
[07:12] <Flannel> MindVirus: And then come back later and we can chat.
[07:12] <MindVirus> Flannel: So, you admit then that I did nothing against the code of conduct.
[07:12] <MindVirus> And you further admit that I did nothing against the guidelines.
[07:12] <Flannel> MindVirus: Eh?  No, I never said that.
[07:12] <MindVirus> Flannel: That's the implication.
[07:12] <MindVirus> I'm talking about just the ban, BTW.
[07:12] <MindVirus> I agree I deserved that kick.
[07:12] <Flannel> No it isn't.
[07:12] <MindVirus> Probably more.
[07:13] <MindVirus> Flannel: Does "double jeopardy" apply here?
[07:13] <Flannel> MindVirus: Each time something happens administratively to you, your slate does not get wiped clean immediately.
[07:13] <MindVirus> So the dirtier my slate gets, the more rules are invented?
[07:14] <MindVirus> I didn't do anything at that point in time.
[07:14] <MindVirus> You gotta see that.
[07:14] <Flannel> MindVirus: No, you did.  But I'm not going to have this discussion with you now.  Come back later like I said a while ago.
[07:14] <MindVirus> But this is about the banning.
[07:15] <MindVirus> I won't even remember it in an hour.
[07:15] <MindVirus> Please, I've read the guidelines and the CoC.
[07:15] <Flannel> MindVirus: You best write it down then.
[07:15] <Flannel> MindVirus: I will not be discussing this with you, nor removing your ban tonight.
[07:15] <MindVirus> Fine, don't.
[07:15] <MindVirus> But it was unjustified.
[07:16] <MindVirus> The next time I'll try to join #ubuntu-offtopic will be in like a week and I will have forgotten your name by then.
[07:16] <MindVirus> Please, just bear with me.
[07:16] <Flannel> MindVirus: That's fine.  You can just come here and discuss it with the folks here.
[07:16] <MindVirus> I would like to discuss things now if possible.
[07:16] <MindVirus> You need not unban me now.
[07:16] <MindVirus> Just unban me whenever you think is fit.
[07:16] <MindVirus> As long as we talk now.
[07:18] <MindVirus> Flannel: Look, you're an op, which means you have power. I don't want to say it but you overstepped your boundaries this time.
[07:19] <MindVirus> I don't want to say it because you're a good, rational op most of the time.
[07:19] <MindVirus> I understand I've pissed you off enough but you can't punish me for being annoying.
[07:20] <MindVirus> Nobody sees "hookers" on their monitor and cries for help.
[07:22] <MindVirus> Flannel: You don't have to listen to me. I just want you to know that you were wrong, and I want you to admit it. I am a rational person myself and I am not a hypocrite.
[08:37] <rww> Hola. Pretty sure aborticide is trolling in #ubuntu.
[08:52] <jpds> I agree that he is odd, quite.
[09:20] <rww> Hello. whoisme in #ubuntu is ban-evading and rather offensive.
[09:21] <ikonia> ok
[09:22] <rww> ikonia: he's rather ban-evading prone. The only reason it took him so long this time is because he was busy screwing around in #debian instead.
[09:22] <ikonia> it's fine, I'll keep an eye out now that I'm awake
[09:22] <rww> thanks
[09:22] <ikonia> thank you
[09:33] <rww> KKKlanMan in #ubuntu
[09:37] <ikonia> I've put a temp blanket ban on that ISP as it's range was changing too much
[09:37] <ikonia> no-one else is using that ISP at this time, so I'll remove it shortly when he's got bored
[09:39] <rww> sounds like a plan. I couldn't find anything in common between his IPs either. You'd think mobile ISPs would be able to tie users to static IPs easily... :(
[09:40] <ikonia> not to worry
[09:40] <ikonia> I'll remove it shortly when he's bored
[10:15] <ikonia> now removed the above ban
[10:16] <bazhang> notorious kline evader 'rucas'
[10:16] <ikonia> the one I banned earlier ?
[10:16] <bazhang> whoisme ? then yep
[10:17] <ikonia> I wasn't aware of him
[10:31] <ikonia> can a council member please put a ban on Bacta's IP in #ubuntu-marketing and #ubuntu-devel after another round of "jewkonia" or can we finally get some assitance from freenode
[10:32] <ikonia> Ricky@203.184.32.124
[10:33] <jpds> Or just kline it.
[10:41] <ikonia> that's the staff "help"
[10:41] <ikonia> he's hitting a ton of channels with it
[12:03] <jpds> Hmm, aborticide is border-line on odd.
[12:20] <topyli> the nick sounds borderline on troll to begin with :\
[14:41] <gord> i forget the syntax for ubottu again, can someone change the unity factoid to point to http://unity.ubuntu.com please
[14:42] <Pici> gord: sure.
[14:42] <Pici> gord: Probably because I made it for -ot only.
[14:42] <Pici> !forget unity-#ubuntu-offtopic
[14:42] <Pici> unity is <reply> Unity is a shell for GNOME, but it is not GNOME-shell. See http://unity.ubuntu.com for more information.
[14:43] <Pici> !unity is <reply> Unity is a shell for GNOME, but it is not GNOME-shell. See http://unity.ubuntu.com for more information.
[14:43] <gord> great, right now i'm rather interested in making sure anyone that asks about unity can go somewhere where there are actual facts, so much nonsense going about
[14:43] <Pici> gord: Righto.
[15:16] <azertyu> hi there
[15:16] <azertyu> i can't able to access on ubuntu channel
[15:16] <seeker> @login
[15:16] <seeker> Nah
[15:16] <seeker> *nah
[15:16] <seeker> *bah
[15:17] <azertyu> i can't able to access on ubuntu channel
[15:17] <jpds> seeker: Nah.*
[15:17] <popey> @login
[15:17] <popey> @btlogin
[15:17] <popey> :p
[15:17] <azertyu> anyone there
[15:17] <seeker> I was gonna go for @bansearch myself
[15:17] <jpds> popey: There's always something wrong with British Telecom.
[15:17] <Pici> ..
[15:18] <seeker> ...
[15:18] <popey> performance could have been improved there with "one moment azertyu"
[15:18] <Pici> Yes.
[15:18] <IdleOne> you think :)
[15:18] <popey> just a guess
[15:18] <popey> :)
[15:18] <jpds> popey: Yah, but he's in -uk.
[15:18] <Pici> Oh well.  We messed up.
[15:19] <seeker> Well, I was trying to type that I'm on a phone and can't do much
[15:19] <seeker> But being on a phone, I wasn't quite quick enough
[15:20] <Pici> For the record he was banforwarded here because he rudely asked someone named 'jgay' to change their name.
[15:20] <jpds> Haha, and the guy replied that it was his family name and he fled.
[15:29] <azertyu> back
[15:29] <Pici> Hi.
[15:30] <Pici> azertyu: It looks like you've been banforwarded from #ubuntu to here.
[15:31] <azertyu> why ?
[15:32] <Pici> azertyu: Because you acted inappropriately towards a user in our channel.
[15:32] <Pici> Perhaps you remember your brief interaction with 'jgay'?
[15:34] <azertyu> yease i remember
[15:34] <azertyu> for me it is someone who insulting
[15:34] <azertyu> ppl
[15:34] <azertyu> with pseudo like that
[15:34] <Pici> In what way?
[15:34] <azertyu> i hate kind of ppl behave like that
[15:35] <azertyu> it disturb in my life
[15:35] <azertyu> welllllllllllll           bref
[15:35] <IdleOne> azertyu: that is his real family name. I realise that the word gay is used pejoratively a lot of times but in this case it was a legitimate nick name. The issue here is the bad language you used towards them.
[15:35] <azertyu> can you give me access on ubuntu or not
[15:35] <azertyu> ?
[15:36] <azertyu> simply
[15:37] <IdleOne> azertyu: have you read the Ubuntu channel guidelines yet?
[15:37] <azertyu> i m not here to justifing thing
[15:37] <Pici> IdleOne: I'll leave this to you, my UDS session is ending soon anyway.
[15:37] <IdleOne> Pici: sure thing, thanks
[15:38] <IdleOne> errr
[15:38] <IdleOne> When they learn to sit still and have a conversation. I will consider removing the ban.
[15:47] <IdleOne> !guidelines | azertyu
[15:47] <IdleOne> !guidelines > azertyu
[15:47] <Pici> You missed him.
[15:47] <IdleOne> !codeofconduct > azertyu
[15:47] <IdleOne> that should catch him
[15:50] <IdleOne> does the user have to be in a channel with ubottu for the factoid to be sent?
[15:50] <Pici> I forget.
[15:51] <IdleOne> I think maybe it does.
[15:52] <jpds> I think they have to be in a channel ubottu is in.
[15:53] <IdleOne> makes sense, avoids possible abuse
[15:53] <IdleOne> unless someone can make it so ops can send factoids to users who are not in a common channel
[16:07] <ikonia> yes
[16:07] <ikonia> oops
[17:18] <jpds> Maybe the SASL will kill the bots.
[17:18] <Pici> What sasl?
[17:18] <ikonia> secure socket stuff
[17:18] <Pici> No... I know what SASL is.
[17:18] <ikonia> oh
[17:18] <Pici> I just don't listen to what spambots say.
[17:18] <ikonia> sorry
[17:19] <jpds> popey: http://pthree.org/2010/01/31/freenode-ssl-and-sasl-authentication-with-irssi/
[17:19] <jpds> Ah.
[17:19] <Pici> Just because a spambot says that SASL is required doesn't mean its true.
[17:20] <popey> jpds: thanks!
[17:21] <jpds> popey: Sorry, was meant for Pi.ci.
[17:21] <popey> jpds: your sarcasm detector is broken
[17:22] <jpds> At least I didn't say marmite.
[17:22] <popey> \o/
[17:23] <Pici> Oooh... a sarcasm detector.  Thats a useful invention.
[17:23] <ikonia> I'd like that
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[17:23] <popey> wakka wakka wakka, he's here all week!
[17:23] <ikonia> sorry
[17:46] <jpds> Nothing like looking at code you wrote a year ago and not remembering how it works.
[17:47] <Pici> Is that what comments are for?
[18:02] <ikonia> @comment this is terrible code
[18:02] <ikonia> see, even ubottu agree's
[19:09] <Pici> This spam is annoying.
[19:10] <ikonia> where are you seeing it ?
[19:10] <ikonia> oh #ubuntu
[19:11] <Pici> I normally don't care, but people seem to be especially succeptable to beleiving that its true this time.
[20:19] <ikonia> check out #ubuntu-marketing please
[20:19] <ikonia> bacta as jewkonia again
[20:22] <ikonia> !ops | someone with access to #ubuntu-marketing deal with bacta as jewkonia
[20:24] <Pici> ugh
[20:24] <ikonia> tomaw don't think staff can help out
[20:24] <marienz> staff isn't on the acl in there
[20:24] <ikonia> unless you want to kline him
[20:24] <ikonia> yeah, just seen staff is missing
[20:25] <ikonia> how long do we have to put up with bact ?
[20:25] <ikonia> bacta
[20:25] <Pici> marienz: Could you please grant UbuntuIrcCouncil +F in #ubuntu-marketing ?
[20:25] <ikonia> Pici: council is missing too
[20:25] <ikonia> Pici: aahhh will down
[20:25] <ikonia> done
[20:25] <marienz> Pici: done
[20:26] <Pici> marienz: thanks!
[20:26] <marienz> no problem
[20:26] <ikonia> marienz: Pici tomaw thank you
[20:27] <ikonia> staff may want to keep an eye on where jewkonia pops up next
[20:28] <Pici> marienz: He continues to be a problem in our namespace and gets banned in every channel in which he appears.
[20:28] <Pici> I added staff access in there just in case we have an issue in the future.
[20:29] <ikonia> heads up on #ubuntu-nz
[20:30] <ikonia> to be honest, I can't understand why he's being allowed on the network using jew as a racist slur/inslut towards me
[20:38] <ikonia> marienz: thank you
[20:39] <marienz> no problem
[21:05] <Pici> Ubuntu IRC Planning Meeting in #ubuntu-uds-Antigua3 in 10 minutes for anyone who is interested.
[21:05] <Pici> s/IRC/IRCC/
[21:21] <elky> topyliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii?
[22:40] <Seeker`> that was certainly an interesting chat :)
[23:50] <rww> Hi, RastaHunden in #ubuntu is from the same (dynamic IP issuing) ISP as ArtArfon (who's banevaded a few times) and acting oddly in the same way.
[23:56] <IdleOne> will keep an eye open, thanks rww
[23:57] <IdleOne> man I slept right through the IRC meeting :/
[23:58] <rww> IdleOne: http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-n/ theoretically has an audio recording, though I haven't tried listening to it
[23:58] <IdleOne> thanks