| starcraftman | hi again ScottK:) There? | 00:09 |
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| DarkwingDuck | starcraftman: this week is going to be hard to catch him. | 00:12 |
| starcraftman | DarkwingDuck: hey there oh dangerous one, alright, we were gonna talk when he got back from supper other day but I kinda crashed :/. | 00:12 |
| starcraftman | DarkwingDuck: So, there an intro wiki to dev stuff? | 00:13 |
| DarkwingDuck | starcraftman: we are all at UDS so our schedules are like... wacked. | 00:13 |
| * starcraftman feels so left out. | 00:13 | |
| * starcraftman hugs new green psp. | 00:13 | |
| DarkwingDuck | starcraftman: don't worry... give us a week to sort out and there will be pleanty to do. | 00:13 |
| starcraftman | DarkwingDuck: oh ok, no problem, kinda tired today. Had stressful emergencies at work, bah :/ | 00:14 |
| DarkwingDuck | starcraftman: know that feeling. | 00:14 |
| valorie | speaking of uds, are we getting together tonight anywhere? | 00:15 |
| DarkwingDuck | I'm not... I have some work to do and my knee is killing me. | 00:26 |
| DarkwingDuck | jussi went out | 00:26 |
| DarkwingDuck | Don't know where anyone else is. | 00:26 |
| Lex79 | JontheEchidna: when you have time: https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa/+packages | 03:03 |
| Lex79 | 6 rebuilds and 2 new upstream releases | 03:03 |
| shtylman_ | Riddell: do you have the piratepad for the community session? | 03:09 |
| shtylman_ | or does anyone have a link to that for that matter :) | 03:11 |
| shtylman_ | nvm... I have located it | 03:12 |
| shtylman_ | so I am trying irssi | 03:25 |
| shtylman_ | and while it does make me look like I l337 haxor... it is bloody complicated | 03:25 |
| claydoh | shtylman_: thats why I stick to quassel :), tho not as l33t, still kewl | 03:31 |
| claydoh | :)\ | 03:31 |
| JontheEchidna | as far as cli IRC clients went, I preferred BitchX. But now I use GUI IRC clients because the only place I really used a cli irc client was with NDS Linux | 03:32 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm, doesn't look like it's in the ubuntu repos anymore | 03:32 |
| shtylman_ | it lives!! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuBacklog | 03:40 |
| nixternal | shtylman: what is complicated about irssi? you quickly learn a few commands and it is golden, for many years to come | 06:05 |
| nixternal | i ahve had the same irssi/bitchx config for 15 years now | 06:05 |
| hunger_ | When will the merging from debian to natty start for real? | 11:05 |
| === hunger_ is now known as hunger | ||
| nigelb | hunger: It already has, but debian is frozen right now, so things are a bit slow. | 11:12 |
| hunger | nigelb: Ah, that explains it. | 11:12 |
| hunger | nigelb: Normally I do get lots more upgrades at this time of the development cycle, so I was wondering:-) | 11:12 |
| hunger | Anyother maybe stupid question... Will the decision for unity impact kubuntu in any way? | 11:15 |
| === 20QACDIL1 is now known as seele | ||
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| udslogger | Riddell: ping | 14:05 |
| udslogger | Riddell: hello | 14:05 |
| udslogger | Riddell: hey | 14:05 |
| udslogger | Riddell: hello hello | 14:05 |
| udslogger | Riddell: dude! | 14:05 |
| udslogger | Riddell: anyone there? | 14:05 |
| udslogger | I tell you, those non-client bound connections will be our down fall at some point | 14:06 |
| shadeslayer | udslogger: ?? | 14:07 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 14:07 |
| shadeslayer | KDE 4.5.3 uploaded \o/ | 14:07 |
| shadeslayer | udslogger: where are you? | 14:07 |
| udslogger | berlin | 14:07 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 14:08 |
| shadeslayer | udslogger: which room?? | 14:08 |
| udslogger | none | 14:08 |
| udslogger | I am sitting in the middle of the hallway | 14:08 |
| Riddell | udslogger: hi | 14:09 |
| udslogger | Riddell: there is plenty of free slots, maybe we should schedule some stuff? | 14:09 |
| udslogger | another community session for example ;) | 14:09 |
| Riddell | udslogger: tell me what you want and when you want it | 14:10 |
| shadeslayer | udslogger: http://pastebin.com/MA1DB7bA | 14:12 |
| udslogger | Riddell: either at 10 or 16:16 ... Kubuntu Natty Community Part 3 | 14:12 |
| ScottK | Riddell: We still need the Kolab discussion. | 14:12 |
| udslogger | dave is in favor of 16:15 | 14:12 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I believe I'm free at 1000. | 14:13 |
| udslogger | shadeslayer: every sentence you mention kubuntu in is a wrong one | 14:13 |
| shadeslayer | ... | 14:13 |
| Riddell | ScottK: kolab is scheduled for 15:00 | 14:13 |
| ScottK | Oh. | 14:13 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Thanks. I think that works. | 14:14 |
| Riddell | udslogger: scheduled for 16:16 | 14:21 |
| udslogger | Riddell: cheers | 14:21 |
| udslogger | Riddell: you know, we did want to grouphug our dictator... | 14:23 |
| shtylman | hah | 14:23 |
| DarkwingDuck | bow chicka bow wow | 14:23 |
| udslogger | we should sort of execute that | 14:23 |
| shtylman | nixternal: but I don't want to learn!! :p | 14:30 |
| shadeslayer | udslogger: do you have the template for the kubuntu slides | 14:33 |
| === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening | ||
| Riddell | agateau: are you in dbusmenu session? | 15:08 |
| agateau | Riddell: i am | 15:09 |
| Riddell | groovy | 15:09 |
| Riddell | mgresslin wants to implement menu items in the top left window menu | 15:10 |
| shtylman | Riddell: nice! | 15:10 |
| shtylman | I was gonna suggest something similar to that | 15:11 |
| Riddell | shtylman: didn't you already code that? | 15:11 |
| shtylman | Riddell: sorta | 15:11 |
| shtylman | I was playing around with it last UDS | 15:11 |
| Riddell | is the code still around? | 15:11 |
| shtylman | and worked with agateau on some requirements for the registration service | 15:11 |
| shtylman | but he says it is better now | 15:11 |
| shtylman | yea | 15:11 |
| shtylman | I have the code on my box | 15:12 |
| shtylman | but it is probly outdated to the current global menu spec | 15:12 |
| shtylman | and I started with my own kwin theme | 15:12 |
| shtylman | but we probly want to extend oxygen? | 15:12 |
| shtylman | althought this would mean that users should not remove that icon/and or button that gives them the menu | 15:12 |
| shtylman | but I would certainly love to see that in natty | 15:13 |
| shtylman | make better use of the title bar :) | 15:14 |
| Riddell | shtylman: what's the difference between your backlog page and the existing todo page? | 15:14 |
| shtylman | Riddell: from what I understand the todo page is per release? | 15:15 |
| Riddell | yes | 15:16 |
| Riddell | davidbarth: do we need a session with mgreslin? | 15:16 |
| shtylman | backlog is long lived | 15:16 |
| shtylman | it also has sub categories.. which I haven't seen in todo page | 15:17 |
| Tm_T | gräßlin? | 15:17 |
| shtylman | but the biggest thing is that it is long lived | 15:17 |
| shtylman | and you can add to it during the cycle | 15:18 |
| shtylman | and then start off every UDS reviewing the items there .. mostly to make sure no ideas that we wanted to implement are lost in the wind :) | 15:18 |
| Riddell | shtylman: groovy, so I can use the backlog page to start tidying up the proceedings | 15:22 |
| Riddell | and as a basis for the todo page | 15:22 |
| shtylman | Riddell: yep | 15:22 |
| shtylman | that's the idea | 15:22 |
| Riddell | now, why are you and scott having a flamewar on kubuntu-devel? | 15:22 |
| shtylman | I wrote the backlog from the proceedings I could find (based on your link) | 15:23 |
| shtylman | we are? | 15:23 |
| shtylman | from my point of view he just clarified what I asked about | 15:23 |
| shtylman | cause I didn't know what the specific role of council has been in the past | 15:23 |
| shtylman | I didn't sense any hostility :) | 15:24 |
| shtylman | <3 scottk | 15:24 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: pingly | 15:26 |
| Riddell | the role of the council has actually never been defined, it's just been assumed it gets final say, I wonder if it would be useful to get that recognised or if it would just cause hassle | 15:26 |
| shtylman | Riddell: would be useful to do something :) I think keeping the role unclear is a bad idea | 15:27 |
| davidbarth | Riddell: yeah, i'd really like to | 15:27 |
| davidbarth | Riddell: let me schedule something, there are still slots open | 15:27 |
| shadeslayer | now... who would like to make slides for project neon so that i can present a lightning talk | 15:27 |
| shtylman | cause then there isn't a clear line on what should be said where .. etc | 15:27 |
| shtylman | I dunno what it means to get it "recognised" ... if the kubuntu contributors recognize it.. then that is enough imho | 15:28 |
| shtylman | the people can provide power and the people can take power away :) | 15:28 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer, i did not find :-( | 15:29 |
| shadeslayer | wha | 15:30 |
| shadeslayer | why | 15:30 |
| shadeslayer | hold on | 15:30 |
| shadeslayer | rbelem: piratepad.net/kubuntu-n-community | 15:30 |
| rbelem | shadeslayer, hum... "describe a person that will use kubuntu: age, a"? | 15:32 |
| davidbarth | Riddell: is martin around? we're in the dbusmenu session and we have some time to start discussing that if you want | 15:32 |
| shadeslayer | yes | 15:32 |
| shadeslayer | dunno what it is tho | 15:32 |
| shadeslayer | udslogger: ^^^ | 15:33 |
| agateau | Riddell: is Martin around? | 15:33 |
| davidbarth | or i can add a BoF at noon | 15:33 |
| davidbarth | Riddell: agateau: i have added a BoF at 12 today, in curacao 1+2 | 15:36 |
| Riddell | davidbarth: I have a docs session at 12 so I can't make that | 15:43 |
| davidbarth | Riddell: can you pass on the message to martin? | 15:44 |
| Riddell | davidbarth: done, martin nods | 15:45 |
| Riddell | markey: enough snuggles? http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/DSCF5155.JPG | 15:58 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: EPIC | 15:59 |
| JontheEchidna | turns out there are two oxygen-gtk projects | 16:40 |
| JontheEchidna | this one is by the lead oxygen dev and seem better | 16:41 |
| JontheEchidna | http://gitorious.org/oxygen-gtk/oxygen-gtk/ | 16:41 |
| JontheEchidna | I just noticed that the gtk-oxygen-engine I uploaded doesn't have the necessary COPYING.LIB, so I'd like that to get rejected so that I can use the package name for this better one :P | 16:41 |
| shtylman | taco... go with the better one :) | 16:42 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: gtk2-engines-oxygen rejected | 16:42 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: thanks | 16:42 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~neon/+recipe/project-neon-kdelibs/+build/5990 << idea why it has a dep wait? | 17:27 |
| Riddell | "Aptitude couldn't satisfy the build dependencies" | 17:29 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: and? | 17:32 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 17:36 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: seemed to be a PPA publishing issue | 17:42 |
| shadeslayer | sheytan: did project neon work for you? | 17:43 |
| sheytan | shadeslayer nope. As i told you yesterday. I complied myself :D | 17:44 |
| shadeslayer | oh.. i didnt see that part | 17:44 |
| shadeslayer | its broken right now anyways | 17:44 |
| === jefferai is now known as jefferai-away | ||
| dantti | Riddell: do you think all packages to be installable should install the language packs too? | 18:34 |
| dantti | Riddell: I can easily force a check for missing language packages before the user install the packages but some users might complaing about the size and for it be a must | 18:35 |
| Riddell | dantti: we do already prompt (at least in theory) for missing language packs at login | 19:00 |
| Riddell | dantti: the extras.ubuntu.com repository might be interesting to support | 19:01 |
| Riddell | they added some extra fields to the Packages.gz file | 19:01 |
| Riddell | so that would need to be merged into the existing application databases | 19:01 |
| Riddell | dantti: mvo wondered if command line debconf support for pkcon would be possible, I said I'd ask :) | 19:02 |
| Riddell | where's rohan? | 19:18 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: why aren't you in the queue? | 19:18 |
| sheytan | Hey guys :D | 19:25 |
| sheytan | anyone to write something like sound indicator from Ubuntu? :D | 19:26 |
| shtylman | heh | 19:26 |
| sheytan | this would be coller idea then the message indicator :D | 19:26 |
| shtylman | talk to agateau about that one | 19:26 |
| sheytan | and sound ind. is the one that is cool :D | 19:26 |
| Riddell | what should I say in my UDS summary? | 19:31 |
| shtylman | everything | 19:31 |
| Riddell | i.e. the two minutes I get to talk about Kubuntu sessions at the end | 19:31 |
| shtylman | KDE IS THE FUTURE! :p | 19:31 |
| jjesse | cannonical has decided due to the anger over switching to unity they decided to go to KDE | 19:33 |
| shtylman | haha | 19:33 |
| CIA-41 | [libqapt] jmthomas * 1191149 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/cache.cpp (log message trimmed) | 19:41 |
| CIA-41 | Also read the pin file so that settings in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ will work as | 19:41 |
| CIA-41 | well. I'll see about using pkgCacheFile in QApt::Cache once I can get a feel for | 19:41 |
| CIA-41 | jmthomas * 1191151 * branches/stable/extragear-kde4/sysadmin/libqapt/src/cache.cpp Backport fix for LibQApt not respecting preference files in the /etc/apt/preferences.d/ dir. | 19:44 |
| eMyller | hey | 19:45 |
| eMyller | anyone know how can i use the 4th and 5th buttons of the mouse on window behaviors? | 19:46 |
| shtylman | buy a mouse with less buttons | 19:46 |
| shtylman | ;) | 19:46 |
| eMyller | i'd like to set the 4th button (that defaults to Back @ browser) to minimize the window | 19:46 |
| eMyller | shtylman: then i won't have 4th and 5th buttons! :D | 19:46 |
| shtylman | eMyller: I would ask in #kubuntu (this is a developer channel) | 19:47 |
| eMyller | i know | 19:47 |
| dantti | Riddell: right but the user will only get firefox localized (for example) at login, which is not very nice | 19:48 |
| dantti | Riddell: gnome-packagekit needs a new package, (version 30 or 32 iirc) | 19:48 |
| dantti | Riddell: pkcon and gnome-packagekit will get debconf support for free probably next week, Richard coded it wrong yesterday so I guess only next week he will rewrite it | 19:49 |
| Riddell | dantti: Richard? | 19:51 |
| dantti | Riddell: pk author | 19:51 |
| Riddell | he's coding debconf support? | 19:51 |
| dantti | for free I mean he is adding it to pk-glib | 19:51 |
| dantti | Riddell: yup, it quite simple but he created a file instead of a socket and it didn't work | 19:52 |
| CIA-41 | jmthomas * 1191154 * branches/stable/extragear-kde4/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h worker/worker.cpp worker/worker.h) Backport the handling of additional error points during initialization that we weren't catching before. | 19:54 |
| dantti | eMyller: I saw a blog post on plannet a while back about a trackball mouse which such buttons, and he managed to get it working I believe that this could help | 19:54 |
| Riddell | dantti: but but.. he's a Fedora guy, why does he care about debconf? | 19:55 |
| CIA-41 | jmthomas * 1191155 * branches/stable/extragear-kde4/sysadmin/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Backport the fix for Backend not telling clients that package state has changed after loading a selections file. | 19:55 |
| dantti | Riddell: he cares about having PK used anywhere | 19:55 |
| dantti | like me I want kpk everywhere not just in kubuntu | 19:55 |
| dantti | let's dominate the world :P | 19:56 |
| dantti | Riddell: also PK got accepted into Debian after debconf was added :) | 19:56 |
| dantti | if Debian wasn't in it's Ice Age there would be packages for it already | 19:57 |
| eMyller | dantti: yeah, i was wishing that i could input clicks (like key shortcuts) instead of selecting (Left|Right|Middle) @ Window Behavior » Window Actions | 19:57 |
| eMyller | having to use imwheel sucks. :\ | 19:57 |
| dantti | eMyller: sure, I have a 5 bt mouse too, but I'm too lazy to make it work :P | 19:57 |
| eMyller | lol | 19:58 |
| eMyller | seriously, having the click choices in a dropdown looks too hardcoded | 19:59 |
| eMyller | click choices + (alt + click choices « again) | 19:59 |
| Riddell | mgraesslin: how was CSD? | 20:04 |
| mgraesslin | Riddell: pretty good - CSD is dead and we came to an agreement how to get what we want to have | 20:04 |
| JontheEchidna | \o/ | 20:05 |
| nixternal | woo, the chicago weather lady hit me up on the twitter | 20:05 |
| * nixternal faints | 20:05 | |
| DarkwingDuck | Whoot whoot | 20:05 |
| nixternal | http://twitter.com/#!/Ginger_Zee/status/29113595143 awww yeah! even with my amazingly good looks, she is well out of my league :D | 20:06 |
| DarkwingDuck | LOL | 20:06 |
| DarkwingDuck | NO one is out of your league nixternal | 20:06 |
| nixternal | i am out of my own league | 20:07 |
| shtylman | hahaha | 20:07 |
| jjesse | she used to be one of the weather babes in GR | 20:07 |
| jjesse | nixternal she worked for Wood TV (NBC affiliate) | 20:08 |
| nixternal | nice | 20:11 |
| Riddell | is weather babe a respectful term for a meteorologist? | 20:12 |
| JontheEchidna | not really | 20:13 |
| nixternal | haha, was gonna ask the same | 20:13 |
| jjesse | sry | 20:13 |
| Riddell | nixternal: quick ask her on twitter | 20:13 |
| nixternal | heck no, she is on my good side right now :p | 20:14 |
| Riddell | DarkwingDuck: I used https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UDSProceedings/N/Other#Kubuntu Natty Docs | 20:23 |
| Riddell | I need to tidy that up | 20:23 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: I could kiss you :P | 20:24 |
| shadeslayer | http://piratepad.net/appdev-n-kubuntu-rekonq-wishlist | 20:26 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: ^ | 20:26 |
| shtylman | someone should maybe add that to the backlog | 20:28 |
| DarkwingDuck | ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UDSProceedings/N/ | 20:28 |
| Riddell | txwikinger: which UDS did we discuss user profiles? | 20:57 |
| udslogger | jussi: you copied my home, so that password reset was not really necessary.... though thanks | 21:04 |
| udslogger | jussi: I'll need some software installed though ;) | 21:04 |
| ScottK | Riddell: It was the last one. | 21:11 |
| jussi | udslogger: what do you want... | 21:20 |
| shadeslayer | udslogger: where are you? | 22:13 |
| Riddell | how did I do? | 22:31 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: awesome | 22:36 |
| shadeslayer | a *bit* lengthy :P | 22:37 |
| ScottK | Pirate Pad FTW. | 22:38 |
| shadeslayer | aye | 22:39 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: why are you at the back? | 22:39 |
| shadeslayer | come forward!!! .... | 22:40 |
| ScottK | Because being in the back allows me to be out the door sooner. | 22:40 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 22:40 |
| shadeslayer | and were out | 22:41 |
| txwikinger | Riddell: I have no idea | 22:45 |
| txwikinger | which UDS user profiles were discussed | 22:46 |
| ScottK | txwikinger: It was lucid | 22:48 |
| ScottK | Oh, misunderstood the question. | 22:48 |
| ScottK | txwikinger: udslogger is collecting them and will document them. They were mostly very close to our current userbase. | 22:49 |
| ScottK | txwikinger: We could really use a "I'm an ISV and I make money on small business deployments" user story. | 22:49 |
| Riddell | jussi: http://www.wekivaadventures.com/contact.php | 23:04 |
| valorie | shtylman: sorry for not responding in the session | 23:23 |
| shtylman | valorie: no probs | 23:23 |
| shtylman | it was mostly food for thought | 23:24 |
| valorie | shtylman: sorry for not responding in the session | 23:24 |
| valorie | connectivity is crap | 23:26 |
| shtylman | haha | 23:26 |
| shtylman | I am trying to learn irssi | 23:26 |
| shtylman | this is painful | 23:26 |
| valorie | for me, at least | 23:26 |
| valorie | I can't recall finding any apps overly complex | 23:29 |
| shtylman | that is good | 23:30 |
| valorie | although I'm dreading learning drupal | 23:31 |
| shtylman | heh | 23:31 |
| valorie | irssi! | 23:31 |
| valorie | not the app for me | 23:31 |
| shtylman | that isn't really an app.. although some might claim it is :) | 23:31 |
| valorie | Konvi or Quassel | 23:31 |
| shtylman | for sure | 23:31 |
| shtylman | konvi all the way | 23:31 |
| shtylman | I am trying the irssi to see if I will like it | 23:32 |
| valorie | ok, I need to go dress for the party | 23:32 |
| valorie | ttyl, all | 23:32 |
| shtylman | haha | 23:32 |
| shtylman | enjoy | 23:32 |
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