[00:09] <starcraftman> hi again ScottK:) There?
[00:12] <DarkwingDuck> starcraftman: this week is going to be hard to catch him.
[00:12] <starcraftman> DarkwingDuck: hey there oh dangerous one, alright, we were gonna talk when he got back from supper other day but I kinda crashed :/.
[00:13] <starcraftman> DarkwingDuck: So, there an intro wiki to dev stuff?
[00:13] <DarkwingDuck> starcraftman: we are all at UDS so our schedules are like... wacked.
[00:13]  * starcraftman feels so left out.
[00:13]  * starcraftman hugs new green psp.
[00:13] <DarkwingDuck> starcraftman: don't worry... give us a week to sort out and there will be pleanty to do.
[00:14] <starcraftman> DarkwingDuck: oh ok, no problem, kinda tired today. Had stressful emergencies at work, bah :/
[00:14] <DarkwingDuck> starcraftman: know that feeling.
[00:15] <valorie> speaking of uds, are we getting together tonight anywhere?
[00:26] <DarkwingDuck> I'm not... I have some work to do and my knee is killing me.
[00:26] <DarkwingDuck> jussi went out
[00:26] <DarkwingDuck> Don't know where anyone else is.
[03:03] <Lex79> JontheEchidna: when you have time: https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa/+packages
[03:03] <Lex79> 6 rebuilds and 2 new upstream releases
[03:09] <shtylman_> Riddell: do you have the piratepad for the community session?
[03:11] <shtylman_> or does anyone have a link to that for that matter :)
[03:12] <shtylman_> nvm... I have located it
[03:25] <shtylman_> so I am trying irssi
[03:25] <shtylman_> and while it does make me look like I l337 haxor... it is bloody complicated
[03:31] <claydoh> shtylman_: thats why I stick to quassel :), tho not as l33t, still kewl
[03:31] <claydoh> :)\
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> as far as cli IRC clients went, I preferred BitchX. But now I use GUI IRC clients because the only place I really used a cli irc client was with NDS Linux
[03:32] <JontheEchidna> hmm, doesn't look like it's in the ubuntu repos anymore
[03:40] <shtylman_> it lives!! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuBacklog
[06:05] <nixternal> shtylman: what is complicated about irssi? you quickly learn a few commands and it is golden, for many years to come
[06:05] <nixternal> i ahve had the same irssi/bitchx config for 15 years now
[11:05] <hunger_> When will the merging from debian to natty start for real?
[11:12] <nigelb> hunger: It already has, but debian is frozen right now, so things are a bit slow.
[11:12] <hunger> nigelb: Ah, that explains it.
[11:12] <hunger> nigelb: Normally I do get lots more upgrades at this time of the development cycle, so I was wondering:-)
[11:15] <hunger> Anyother maybe stupid question... Will the decision for unity impact kubuntu in any way?
[14:05] <udslogger> Riddell: ping
[14:05] <udslogger> Riddell: hello
[14:05] <udslogger> Riddell: hey
[14:05] <udslogger> Riddell: hello hello
[14:05] <udslogger> Riddell: dude!
[14:05] <udslogger> Riddell: anyone there?
[14:06] <udslogger> I tell you, those non-client bound connections will be our down fall at some point
[14:07] <shadeslayer> udslogger: ??
[14:07] <shadeslayer> hmm
[14:07] <shadeslayer> KDE 4.5.3 uploaded \o/
[14:07] <shadeslayer> udslogger: where are you?
[14:07] <udslogger> berlin
[14:08] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:08] <shadeslayer> udslogger: which room??
[14:08] <udslogger> none
[14:08] <udslogger> I am sitting in the middle of the hallway
[14:09] <Riddell> udslogger: hi
[14:09] <udslogger> Riddell: there is plenty of free slots, maybe we should schedule some stuff?
[14:09] <udslogger> another community session for example ;)
[14:10] <Riddell> udslogger: tell me what you want and when you want it
[14:12] <shadeslayer> udslogger: http://pastebin.com/MA1DB7bA
[14:12] <udslogger> Riddell:  either at 10 or 16:16 ... Kubuntu Natty Community Part 3
[14:12] <ScottK> Riddell: We still need the Kolab discussion.
[14:12] <udslogger> dave is in favor of 16:15
[14:13] <ScottK> Riddell: I believe I'm free at 1000.
[14:13] <udslogger> shadeslayer: every sentence you mention kubuntu in is a wrong one
[14:13] <shadeslayer> ...
[14:13] <Riddell> ScottK: kolab is scheduled for 15:00
[14:13] <ScottK> Oh.
[14:14] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  I think that works.
[14:21] <Riddell> udslogger: scheduled for 16:16
[14:21] <udslogger> Riddell: cheers
[14:23] <udslogger> Riddell: you know, we did want to grouphug our dictator...
[14:23] <shtylman> hah
[14:23] <DarkwingDuck> bow chicka bow wow
[14:23] <udslogger> we should sort of execute that
[14:30] <shtylman> nixternal: but I don't want to learn!! :p
[14:33] <shadeslayer> udslogger: do you have the template for the kubuntu slides
[15:08] <Riddell> agateau: are you in dbusmenu session?
[15:09] <agateau> Riddell: i am
[15:09] <Riddell> groovy
[15:10] <Riddell> mgresslin wants to implement menu items in the top left window menu
[15:10] <shtylman> Riddell: nice!
[15:11] <shtylman> I was gonna suggest something similar to that
[15:11] <Riddell> shtylman: didn't you already code that?
[15:11] <shtylman> Riddell: sorta
[15:11] <shtylman> I was playing around with it last UDS
[15:11] <Riddell> is the code still around?
[15:11] <shtylman> and worked with agateau on some requirements for the registration service
[15:11] <shtylman> but he says it is better now
[15:11] <shtylman> yea
[15:12] <shtylman> I have the code on my box
[15:12] <shtylman> but it is probly outdated to the current global menu spec
[15:12] <shtylman> and I started with my own kwin theme
[15:12] <shtylman> but we probly want to extend oxygen?
[15:12] <shtylman> althought this would mean that users should not remove that icon/and or button that gives them the menu
[15:13] <shtylman> but I would certainly love to see that in natty
[15:14] <shtylman> make better use of the title bar :)
[15:14] <Riddell> shtylman: what's the difference between your backlog page and the existing todo page?
[15:15] <shtylman> Riddell: from what I understand the todo page is per release?
[15:16] <Riddell> yes
[15:16] <Riddell> davidbarth: do we need a session with mgreslin?
[15:16] <shtylman> backlog is long lived
[15:17] <shtylman> it also has sub categories.. which I haven't seen in todo page
[15:17] <Tm_T> gräßlin?
[15:17] <shtylman> but the biggest thing is that it is long lived
[15:18] <shtylman> and you can add to it during the cycle
[15:18] <shtylman> and then start off every UDS reviewing the items there .. mostly to make sure no ideas that we wanted to implement are lost in the wind :)
[15:22] <Riddell> shtylman: groovy, so I can use the backlog page to start tidying up the proceedings
[15:22] <Riddell> and as a basis for the todo page
[15:22] <shtylman> Riddell: yep
[15:22] <shtylman> that's the idea
[15:22] <Riddell> now, why are you and scott having a flamewar on kubuntu-devel?
[15:23] <shtylman> I wrote the backlog from the proceedings I could find (based on your link)
[15:23] <shtylman> we are?
[15:23] <shtylman> from my point of view he just clarified what I asked about
[15:23] <shtylman> cause I didn't know what the specific role of council has been in the past
[15:24] <shtylman> I didn't sense any hostility :)
[15:24] <shtylman> <3 scottk
[15:26] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: pingly
[15:26] <Riddell> the role of the council has actually never been defined, it's just been assumed it gets final say, I wonder if it would be useful to get that recognised or if it would just cause hassle
[15:27] <shtylman> Riddell: would be useful to do something :) I think keeping the role unclear is a bad idea
[15:27] <davidbarth> Riddell: yeah, i'd really like to
[15:27] <davidbarth> Riddell: let me schedule something, there are still slots open
[15:27] <shadeslayer> now... who would like to make slides for project neon so that i can present a lightning talk
[15:27] <shtylman> cause then there isn't a clear line on what should be said where .. etc
[15:28] <shtylman> I dunno what it means to get it "recognised" ... if the kubuntu contributors recognize it.. then that is enough imho
[15:28] <shtylman> the people can provide power and the people can take power away :)
[15:29] <rbelem> shadeslayer, i did not find :-(
[15:30] <shadeslayer> wha
[15:30] <shadeslayer> why
[15:30] <shadeslayer> hold on
[15:30] <shadeslayer> rbelem: piratepad.net/kubuntu-n-community
[15:32] <rbelem> shadeslayer, hum... "describe a person that will use kubuntu: age, a"?
[15:32] <davidbarth> Riddell: is martin around? we're in the dbusmenu session and we have some time to start discussing that if you want
[15:32] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:32] <shadeslayer> dunno what it is tho
[15:33] <shadeslayer> udslogger: ^^^
[15:33] <agateau> Riddell: is Martin around?
[15:33] <davidbarth> or i can add a BoF at noon
[15:36] <davidbarth> Riddell: agateau: i have added a BoF at 12 today, in curacao 1+2
[15:43] <Riddell> davidbarth: I have a docs session at 12 so I can't make that
[15:44] <davidbarth> Riddell: can you pass on the message to martin?
[15:45] <Riddell> davidbarth: done, martin nods
[15:58] <Riddell> markey: enough snuggles? http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/DSCF5155.JPG
[15:59] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: EPIC
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> turns out there are two oxygen-gtk projects
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> this one is by the lead oxygen dev and seem better
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> http://gitorious.org/oxygen-gtk/oxygen-gtk/
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> I just noticed that the gtk-oxygen-engine I uploaded doesn't have the necessary COPYING.LIB, so I'd like that to get rejected so that I can use the package name for this better one :P
[16:42] <shtylman> taco... go with the better one :)
[16:42] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: gtk2-engines-oxygen rejected
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: thanks
[17:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~neon/+recipe/project-neon-kdelibs/+build/5990 << idea why it has a dep wait?
[17:29] <Riddell> "Aptitude couldn't satisfy the build dependencies"
[17:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and?
[17:36] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: seemed to be a PPA publishing issue
[17:43] <shadeslayer> sheytan: did project neon work for you?
[17:44] <sheytan> shadeslayer nope. As i told you yesterday. I complied myself :D
[17:44] <shadeslayer> oh.. i didnt see that part
[17:44] <shadeslayer> its broken right now anyways
[18:34] <dantti> Riddell: do you think all packages to be installable should install the language packs too?
[18:35] <dantti> Riddell: I can easily force a check for missing language packages before the user install the packages but some users might complaing about the size and for it be a must
[19:00] <Riddell> dantti: we do already prompt (at least in theory) for missing language packs at login
[19:01] <Riddell> dantti: the extras.ubuntu.com repository might be interesting to support
[19:01] <Riddell> they added some extra fields to the Packages.gz file
[19:01] <Riddell> so that would need to be merged into the existing application databases
[19:02] <Riddell> dantti: mvo wondered if command line debconf support for pkcon would be possible, I said I'd ask :)
[19:18] <Riddell> where's rohan?
[19:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why aren't you in the queue?
[19:25] <sheytan> Hey guys :D
[19:26] <sheytan> anyone to write something like sound indicator from Ubuntu? :D
[19:26] <shtylman> heh
[19:26] <sheytan> this would be coller idea then the message indicator :D
[19:26] <shtylman> talk to agateau about that one
[19:26] <sheytan> and sound ind. is the one that is cool :D
[19:31] <Riddell> what should I say in my UDS summary?
[19:31] <shtylman> everything
[19:31] <Riddell> i.e. the two minutes I get to talk about Kubuntu sessions at the end
[19:31] <shtylman> KDE IS THE FUTURE! :p
[19:33] <jjesse> cannonical has decided due to the anger over switching to unity they decided to go to KDE
[19:33] <shtylman> haha
[19:41] <CIA-41> [libqapt] jmthomas * 1191149 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/cache.cpp (log message trimmed)
[19:41] <CIA-41> Also read the pin file so that settings in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ will work as
[19:41] <CIA-41> well. I'll see about using pkgCacheFile in QApt::Cache once I can get a feel for
[19:44] <CIA-41> jmthomas * 1191151 * branches/stable/extragear-kde4/sysadmin/libqapt/src/cache.cpp Backport fix for LibQApt not respecting preference files in the /etc/apt/preferences.d/ dir.
[19:45] <eMyller> hey
[19:46] <eMyller> anyone know how can i use the 4th and 5th buttons of the mouse on window behaviors?
[19:46] <shtylman> buy a mouse with less buttons
[19:46] <shtylman> ;)
[19:46] <eMyller> i'd like to set the 4th button (that defaults to Back @ browser) to minimize the window
[19:46] <eMyller> shtylman: then i won't have 4th and 5th buttons! :D
[19:47] <shtylman> eMyller: I would ask in #kubuntu (this is a developer channel)
[19:47] <eMyller> i know
[19:48] <dantti> Riddell: right but the user will only get firefox localized (for example) at login, which is not very nice
[19:48] <dantti> Riddell: gnome-packagekit needs a new package, (version 30 or 32 iirc)
[19:49] <dantti> Riddell: pkcon and gnome-packagekit will get debconf support for free probably next week, Richard coded it wrong yesterday so I guess only next week he will rewrite it
[19:51] <Riddell> dantti: Richard?
[19:51] <dantti> Riddell: pk author
[19:51] <Riddell> he's coding debconf support?
[19:51] <dantti> for free I mean he is adding it to pk-glib
[19:52] <dantti> Riddell: yup, it quite simple but he created a file instead of a socket and it didn't work
[19:54] <CIA-41> jmthomas * 1191154 * branches/stable/extragear-kde4/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h worker/worker.cpp worker/worker.h) Backport the handling of additional error points during initialization that we weren't catching before.
[19:54] <dantti> eMyller: I saw a blog post on plannet a while back about a trackball mouse which such buttons, and he managed to get it working I believe that this could help
[19:55] <Riddell> dantti: but but.. he's a Fedora guy, why does he care about debconf?
[19:55] <CIA-41> jmthomas * 1191155 * branches/stable/extragear-kde4/sysadmin/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Backport the fix for Backend not telling clients that package state has changed after loading a selections file.
[19:55] <dantti> Riddell: he cares about having PK used anywhere
[19:55] <dantti> like me I want kpk everywhere not just in kubuntu
[19:56] <dantti> let's dominate the world :P
[19:56] <dantti> Riddell: also PK got accepted into Debian after debconf was added :)
[19:57] <dantti> if Debian wasn't in it's Ice Age there would be packages for it already
[19:57] <eMyller> dantti: yeah, i was wishing that i could input clicks (like key shortcuts) instead of selecting (Left|Right|Middle) @ Window Behavior » Window Actions
[19:57] <eMyller> having to use imwheel sucks. :\
[19:57] <dantti> eMyller: sure, I have a 5 bt mouse too, but I'm too lazy to make it work :P
[19:58] <eMyller> lol
[19:59] <eMyller> seriously, having the click choices in a dropdown looks too hardcoded
[19:59] <eMyller> click choices + (alt + click choices « again)
[20:04] <Riddell> mgraesslin: how was CSD?
[20:04] <mgraesslin> Riddell: pretty good - CSD is dead and we came to an agreement how to get what we want to have
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[20:05] <nixternal> woo, the chicago weather lady hit me up on the twitter
[20:05]  * nixternal faints
[20:05] <DarkwingDuck> Whoot whoot
[20:06] <nixternal> http://twitter.com/#!/Ginger_Zee/status/29113595143 awww yeah! even with my amazingly good looks, she is well out of my league :D
[20:06] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[20:06] <DarkwingDuck> NO one is out of your league nixternal
[20:07] <nixternal> i am out of my own league
[20:07] <shtylman> hahaha
[20:07] <jjesse> she used to be one of the weather babes in GR
[20:08] <jjesse> nixternal she worked for Wood TV (NBC affiliate)
[20:11] <nixternal> nice
[20:12] <Riddell> is weather babe a respectful term for a meteorologist?
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> not really
[20:13] <nixternal> haha, was gonna ask the same
[20:13] <jjesse> sry
[20:13] <Riddell> nixternal: quick ask her on twitter
[20:14] <nixternal> heck no, she is on my good side right now :p
[20:23] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: I used https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UDSProceedings/N/Other#Kubuntu Natty Docs
[20:23] <Riddell> I need to tidy that up
[20:24] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I could kiss you :P
[20:26] <shadeslayer> http://piratepad.net/appdev-n-kubuntu-rekonq-wishlist
[20:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^
[20:28] <shtylman> someone should maybe add that to the backlog
[20:28] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UDSProceedings/N/
[20:57] <Riddell> txwikinger: which UDS did we discuss user profiles?
[21:04] <udslogger> jussi: you copied my home, so that password reset was not really necessary.... though thanks
[21:04] <udslogger> jussi: I'll need some software installed though ;)
[21:11] <ScottK> Riddell: It was the last one.
[21:20] <jussi> udslogger: what do you want...
[22:13] <shadeslayer> udslogger: where are you?
[22:31] <Riddell> how did I do?
[22:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: awesome
[22:37] <shadeslayer> a *bit* lengthy :P
[22:38] <ScottK> Pirate Pad FTW.
[22:39] <shadeslayer> aye
[22:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: why are you at the back?
[22:40] <shadeslayer> come forward!!! .... 
[22:40] <ScottK> Because being in the back allows me to be out the door sooner.
[22:40] <shadeslayer> :P
[22:41] <shadeslayer> and were out
[22:45] <txwikinger> Riddell: I have no idea
[22:46] <txwikinger> which UDS user profiles were discussed
[22:48] <ScottK> txwikinger: It was lucid
[22:48] <ScottK> Oh, misunderstood the question.
[22:49] <ScottK> txwikinger: udslogger is collecting them and will document them.  They were mostly very close to our current userbase.
[22:49] <ScottK> txwikinger: We could really use a "I'm an ISV and I make money on small business deployments" user story.
[23:04] <Riddell> jussi: http://www.wekivaadventures.com/contact.php
[23:23] <valorie> shtylman: sorry for not responding in the session
[23:23] <shtylman> valorie: no probs
[23:24] <shtylman> it was mostly food for thought
[23:24] <valorie> shtylman: sorry for not responding in the session
[23:26] <valorie> connectivity is crap
[23:26] <shtylman> haha
[23:26] <shtylman> I am trying to learn irssi
[23:26] <shtylman> this is painful
[23:26] <valorie> for me, at least
[23:29] <valorie> I  can't recall finding any apps overly complex
[23:30] <shtylman> that is good
[23:31] <valorie> although I'm dreading learning drupal
[23:31] <shtylman> heh
[23:31] <valorie> irssi!
[23:31] <valorie> not the app for me
[23:31] <shtylman> that isn't really an app.. although some might claim it is :)
[23:31] <valorie> Konvi or Quassel
[23:31] <shtylman> for sure
[23:31] <shtylman> konvi all the way
[23:32] <shtylman> I am trying the irssi to see if I will like it
[23:32] <valorie> ok, I need to go dress for the party
[23:32] <valorie> ttyl, all
[23:32] <shtylman> haha
[23:32] <shtylman> enjoy