[00:09] hi again ScottK:) There? [00:12] starcraftman: this week is going to be hard to catch him. [00:12] DarkwingDuck: hey there oh dangerous one, alright, we were gonna talk when he got back from supper other day but I kinda crashed :/. [00:13] DarkwingDuck: So, there an intro wiki to dev stuff? [00:13] starcraftman: we are all at UDS so our schedules are like... wacked. [00:13] * starcraftman feels so left out. [00:13] * starcraftman hugs new green psp. [00:13] starcraftman: don't worry... give us a week to sort out and there will be pleanty to do. [00:14] DarkwingDuck: oh ok, no problem, kinda tired today. Had stressful emergencies at work, bah :/ [00:14] starcraftman: know that feeling. [00:15] speaking of uds, are we getting together tonight anywhere? [00:26] I'm not... I have some work to do and my knee is killing me. [00:26] jussi went out [00:26] Don't know where anyone else is. [03:03] JontheEchidna: when you have time: https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa/+packages [03:03] 6 rebuilds and 2 new upstream releases [03:09] Riddell: do you have the piratepad for the community session? [03:11] or does anyone have a link to that for that matter :) [03:12] nvm... I have located it [03:25] so I am trying irssi [03:25] and while it does make me look like I l337 haxor... it is bloody complicated [03:31] shtylman_: thats why I stick to quassel :), tho not as l33t, still kewl [03:31] :)\ [03:32] as far as cli IRC clients went, I preferred BitchX. But now I use GUI IRC clients because the only place I really used a cli irc client was with NDS Linux [03:32] hmm, doesn't look like it's in the ubuntu repos anymore [03:40] it lives!! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuBacklog [06:05] shtylman: what is complicated about irssi? you quickly learn a few commands and it is golden, for many years to come [06:05] i ahve had the same irssi/bitchx config for 15 years now [11:05] When will the merging from debian to natty start for real? === hunger_ is now known as hunger [11:12] hunger: It already has, but debian is frozen right now, so things are a bit slow. [11:12] nigelb: Ah, that explains it. [11:12] nigelb: Normally I do get lots more upgrades at this time of the development cycle, so I was wondering:-) [11:15] Anyother maybe stupid question... Will the decision for unity impact kubuntu in any way? === 20QACDIL1 is now known as seele === yofel_ is now known as yofel [14:05] Riddell: ping [14:05] Riddell: hello [14:05] Riddell: hey [14:05] Riddell: hello hello [14:05] Riddell: dude! [14:05] Riddell: anyone there? [14:06] I tell you, those non-client bound connections will be our down fall at some point [14:07] udslogger: ?? [14:07] hmm [14:07] KDE 4.5.3 uploaded \o/ [14:07] udslogger: where are you? [14:07] berlin [14:08] heh [14:08] udslogger: which room?? [14:08] none [14:08] I am sitting in the middle of the hallway [14:09] udslogger: hi [14:09] Riddell: there is plenty of free slots, maybe we should schedule some stuff? [14:09] another community session for example ;) [14:10] udslogger: tell me what you want and when you want it [14:12] udslogger: http://pastebin.com/MA1DB7bA [14:12] Riddell: either at 10 or 16:16 ... Kubuntu Natty Community Part 3 [14:12] Riddell: We still need the Kolab discussion. [14:12] dave is in favor of 16:15 [14:13] Riddell: I believe I'm free at 1000. [14:13] shadeslayer: every sentence you mention kubuntu in is a wrong one [14:13] ... [14:13] ScottK: kolab is scheduled for 15:00 [14:13] Oh. [14:14] Riddell: Thanks. I think that works. [14:21] udslogger: scheduled for 16:16 [14:21] Riddell: cheers [14:23] Riddell: you know, we did want to grouphug our dictator... [14:23] hah [14:23] bow chicka bow wow [14:23] we should sort of execute that [14:30] nixternal: but I don't want to learn!! :p [14:33] udslogger: do you have the template for the kubuntu slides === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [15:08] agateau: are you in dbusmenu session? [15:09] Riddell: i am [15:09] groovy [15:10] mgresslin wants to implement menu items in the top left window menu [15:10] Riddell: nice! [15:11] I was gonna suggest something similar to that [15:11] shtylman: didn't you already code that? [15:11] Riddell: sorta [15:11] I was playing around with it last UDS [15:11] is the code still around? [15:11] and worked with agateau on some requirements for the registration service [15:11] but he says it is better now [15:11] yea [15:12] I have the code on my box [15:12] but it is probly outdated to the current global menu spec [15:12] and I started with my own kwin theme [15:12] but we probly want to extend oxygen? [15:12] althought this would mean that users should not remove that icon/and or button that gives them the menu [15:13] but I would certainly love to see that in natty [15:14] make better use of the title bar :) [15:14] shtylman: what's the difference between your backlog page and the existing todo page? [15:15] Riddell: from what I understand the todo page is per release? [15:16] yes [15:16] davidbarth: do we need a session with mgreslin? [15:16] backlog is long lived [15:17] it also has sub categories.. which I haven't seen in todo page [15:17] gräßlin? [15:17] but the biggest thing is that it is long lived [15:18] and you can add to it during the cycle [15:18] and then start off every UDS reviewing the items there .. mostly to make sure no ideas that we wanted to implement are lost in the wind :) [15:22] shtylman: groovy, so I can use the backlog page to start tidying up the proceedings [15:22] and as a basis for the todo page [15:22] Riddell: yep [15:22] that's the idea [15:22] now, why are you and scott having a flamewar on kubuntu-devel? [15:23] I wrote the backlog from the proceedings I could find (based on your link) [15:23] we are? [15:23] from my point of view he just clarified what I asked about [15:23] cause I didn't know what the specific role of council has been in the past [15:24] I didn't sense any hostility :) [15:24] <3 scottk [15:26] Quintasan: pingly [15:26] the role of the council has actually never been defined, it's just been assumed it gets final say, I wonder if it would be useful to get that recognised or if it would just cause hassle [15:27] Riddell: would be useful to do something :) I think keeping the role unclear is a bad idea [15:27] Riddell: yeah, i'd really like to [15:27] Riddell: let me schedule something, there are still slots open [15:27] now... who would like to make slides for project neon so that i can present a lightning talk [15:27] cause then there isn't a clear line on what should be said where .. etc [15:28] I dunno what it means to get it "recognised" ... if the kubuntu contributors recognize it.. then that is enough imho [15:28] the people can provide power and the people can take power away :) [15:29] shadeslayer, i did not find :-( [15:30] wha [15:30] why [15:30] hold on [15:30] rbelem: piratepad.net/kubuntu-n-community [15:32] shadeslayer, hum... "describe a person that will use kubuntu: age, a"? [15:32] Riddell: is martin around? we're in the dbusmenu session and we have some time to start discussing that if you want [15:32] yes [15:32] dunno what it is tho [15:33] udslogger: ^^^ [15:33] Riddell: is Martin around? [15:33] or i can add a BoF at noon [15:36] Riddell: agateau: i have added a BoF at 12 today, in curacao 1+2 [15:43] davidbarth: I have a docs session at 12 so I can't make that [15:44] Riddell: can you pass on the message to martin? [15:45] davidbarth: done, martin nods [15:58] markey: enough snuggles? http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/DSCF5155.JPG [15:59] Riddell: EPIC [16:40] turns out there are two oxygen-gtk projects [16:41] this one is by the lead oxygen dev and seem better [16:41] http://gitorious.org/oxygen-gtk/oxygen-gtk/ [16:41] I just noticed that the gtk-oxygen-engine I uploaded doesn't have the necessary COPYING.LIB, so I'd like that to get rejected so that I can use the package name for this better one :P [16:42] taco... go with the better one :) [16:42] JontheEchidna: gtk2-engines-oxygen rejected [16:42] Riddell: thanks [17:27] Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~neon/+recipe/project-neon-kdelibs/+build/5990 << idea why it has a dep wait? [17:29] "Aptitude couldn't satisfy the build dependencies" [17:32] Riddell: and? [17:36] hmm [17:42] Riddell: seemed to be a PPA publishing issue [17:43] sheytan: did project neon work for you? [17:44] shadeslayer nope. As i told you yesterday. I complied myself :D [17:44] oh.. i didnt see that part [17:44] its broken right now anyways === jefferai is now known as jefferai-away [18:34] Riddell: do you think all packages to be installable should install the language packs too? [18:35] Riddell: I can easily force a check for missing language packages before the user install the packages but some users might complaing about the size and for it be a must [19:00] dantti: we do already prompt (at least in theory) for missing language packs at login [19:01] dantti: the extras.ubuntu.com repository might be interesting to support [19:01] they added some extra fields to the Packages.gz file [19:01] so that would need to be merged into the existing application databases [19:02] dantti: mvo wondered if command line debconf support for pkcon would be possible, I said I'd ask :) [19:18] where's rohan? [19:18] shadeslayer: why aren't you in the queue? [19:25] Hey guys :D [19:26] anyone to write something like sound indicator from Ubuntu? :D [19:26] heh [19:26] this would be coller idea then the message indicator :D [19:26] talk to agateau about that one [19:26] and sound ind. is the one that is cool :D [19:31] what should I say in my UDS summary? [19:31] everything [19:31] i.e. the two minutes I get to talk about Kubuntu sessions at the end [19:31] KDE IS THE FUTURE! :p [19:33] cannonical has decided due to the anger over switching to unity they decided to go to KDE [19:33] haha [19:41] [libqapt] jmthomas * 1191149 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/libqapt/src/cache.cpp (log message trimmed) [19:41] Also read the pin file so that settings in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ will work as [19:41] well. I'll see about using pkgCacheFile in QApt::Cache once I can get a feel for [19:44] jmthomas * 1191151 * branches/stable/extragear-kde4/sysadmin/libqapt/src/cache.cpp Backport fix for LibQApt not respecting preference files in the /etc/apt/preferences.d/ dir. [19:45] hey [19:46] anyone know how can i use the 4th and 5th buttons of the mouse on window behaviors? [19:46] buy a mouse with less buttons [19:46] ;) [19:46] i'd like to set the 4th button (that defaults to Back @ browser) to minimize the window [19:46] shtylman: then i won't have 4th and 5th buttons! :D [19:47] eMyller: I would ask in #kubuntu (this is a developer channel) [19:47] i know [19:48] Riddell: right but the user will only get firefox localized (for example) at login, which is not very nice [19:48] Riddell: gnome-packagekit needs a new package, (version 30 or 32 iirc) [19:49] Riddell: pkcon and gnome-packagekit will get debconf support for free probably next week, Richard coded it wrong yesterday so I guess only next week he will rewrite it [19:51] dantti: Richard? [19:51] Riddell: pk author [19:51] he's coding debconf support? [19:51] for free I mean he is adding it to pk-glib [19:52] Riddell: yup, it quite simple but he created a file instead of a socket and it didn't work [19:54] jmthomas * 1191154 * branches/stable/extragear-kde4/sysadmin/libqapt/src/ (backend.cpp backend.h worker/worker.cpp worker/worker.h) Backport the handling of additional error points during initialization that we weren't catching before. [19:54] eMyller: I saw a blog post on plannet a while back about a trackball mouse which such buttons, and he managed to get it working I believe that this could help [19:55] dantti: but but.. he's a Fedora guy, why does he care about debconf? [19:55] jmthomas * 1191155 * branches/stable/extragear-kde4/sysadmin/libqapt/src/backend.cpp Backport the fix for Backend not telling clients that package state has changed after loading a selections file. [19:55] Riddell: he cares about having PK used anywhere [19:55] like me I want kpk everywhere not just in kubuntu [19:56] let's dominate the world :P [19:56] Riddell: also PK got accepted into Debian after debconf was added :) [19:57] if Debian wasn't in it's Ice Age there would be packages for it already [19:57] dantti: yeah, i was wishing that i could input clicks (like key shortcuts) instead of selecting (Left|Right|Middle) @ Window Behavior » Window Actions [19:57] having to use imwheel sucks. :\ [19:57] eMyller: sure, I have a 5 bt mouse too, but I'm too lazy to make it work :P [19:58] lol [19:59] seriously, having the click choices in a dropdown looks too hardcoded [19:59] click choices + (alt + click choices « again) [20:04] mgraesslin: how was CSD? [20:04] Riddell: pretty good - CSD is dead and we came to an agreement how to get what we want to have [20:05] \o/ [20:05] woo, the chicago weather lady hit me up on the twitter [20:05] * nixternal faints [20:05] Whoot whoot [20:06] http://twitter.com/#!/Ginger_Zee/status/29113595143 awww yeah! even with my amazingly good looks, she is well out of my league :D [20:06] LOL [20:06] NO one is out of your league nixternal [20:07] i am out of my own league [20:07] hahaha [20:07] she used to be one of the weather babes in GR [20:08] nixternal she worked for Wood TV (NBC affiliate) [20:11] nice [20:12] is weather babe a respectful term for a meteorologist? [20:13] not really [20:13] haha, was gonna ask the same [20:13] sry [20:13] nixternal: quick ask her on twitter [20:14] heck no, she is on my good side right now :p [20:23] DarkwingDuck: I used https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UDSProceedings/N/Other#Kubuntu Natty Docs [20:23] I need to tidy that up [20:24] Riddell: I could kiss you :P [20:26] http://piratepad.net/appdev-n-kubuntu-rekonq-wishlist [20:26] Riddell: ^ [20:28] someone should maybe add that to the backlog [20:28] ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UDSProceedings/N/ [20:57] txwikinger: which UDS did we discuss user profiles? [21:04] jussi: you copied my home, so that password reset was not really necessary.... though thanks [21:04] jussi: I'll need some software installed though ;) [21:11] Riddell: It was the last one. [21:20] udslogger: what do you want... [22:13] udslogger: where are you? [22:31] how did I do? [22:36] Riddell: awesome [22:37] a *bit* lengthy :P [22:38] Pirate Pad FTW. [22:39] aye [22:39] ScottK: why are you at the back? [22:40] come forward!!! .... [22:40] Because being in the back allows me to be out the door sooner. [22:40] :P [22:41] and were out [22:45] Riddell: I have no idea [22:46] which UDS user profiles were discussed [22:48] txwikinger: It was lucid [22:48] Oh, misunderstood the question. [22:49] txwikinger: udslogger is collecting them and will document them. They were mostly very close to our current userbase. [22:49] txwikinger: We could really use a "I'm an ISV and I make money on small business deployments" user story. [23:04] jussi: http://www.wekivaadventures.com/contact.php [23:23] shtylman: sorry for not responding in the session [23:23] valorie: no probs [23:24] it was mostly food for thought [23:24] shtylman: sorry for not responding in the session [23:26] connectivity is crap [23:26] haha [23:26] I am trying to learn irssi [23:26] this is painful [23:26] for me, at least [23:29] I can't recall finding any apps overly complex [23:30] that is good [23:31] although I'm dreading learning drupal [23:31] heh [23:31] irssi! [23:31] not the app for me [23:31] that isn't really an app.. although some might claim it is :) [23:31] Konvi or Quassel [23:31] for sure [23:31] konvi all the way [23:32] I am trying the irssi to see if I will like it [23:32] ok, I need to go dress for the party [23:32] ttyl, all [23:32] haha [23:32] enjoy